How can we kill the lisbon treaty

utick

Well after irelands no vote, one would assume lisbon was finished. Aparently not, the eu wants all other countries to continue ratification, and sarkosy, tells the irish they have to vote again.

What i am wondering is if a no vote cant kill this treaty what will it take to kill it, is it even possible to kill the lisbon treaty?

Tar.Aldarion

You can kill it by voting yes.

jaffa20

I would start by not making new threads on boards.ie because i'm sick of hearing about this damn treaty on here. :mad:

marcsignal

Tara Le d'Arion wrote: »

You can kill it by voting yes.

+1

or you can delude yourself by thinking the little little sh1t box in the north Atlantic you are stuck in is a great place, and vote no again.

wake up and smell the lovely European coffee, it doesn't cost something stupid like 3Euro50 where I am

suspectdevice

marcsignal wrote: »

+1

or you can delude yourself by thinking the little little sh1t box in the north Atlantic you are stuck in is a great place, and vote no again.

wake up and smell the lovely European coffee, it doesn't cost something stupid like 3Euro50 where I am

to be honest, it'll be cheaper than where you are, soon

marcsignal

suspectdevice wrote: »

to be honest, it'll be cheaper than where you are, soon

true, cos Germany is on the up now so the prices are gonna increase, but hell, think of the weather, the GOOD beer and lets not mention the open minded European ladies

have a good time getting pissed on....

AlmightyCushion

Nuke lisbon. At the very least they'll rename it out of respect.

A Primal Nut

I hope they sort it out by throwing Ireland out of the EU as punishment for opposing the treaty. Then all the people who voted no lose their jobs. Serves them right. Of course the people who voted yes would lose their jobs too but would be worth it.

marcsignal

A Primal Nut wrote: »

I hope they sort it out by throwing Ireland out of the EU as punishment for opposing the treaty. Then all the people who voted no lose their jobs. Serves them right. Of course the people who voted yes would lose their jobs too but would be worth it.

you're welcome in my beer garden

so there's a concentration camp down the road, but hey ?? no closing time

suspectdevice

marcsignal wrote: »

true, cos Germany is on the up now so the prices are gonna increase, but hell, think of the weather, the GOOD beer andlets not mention the open minded European ladies

have a good time getting pissed on....

...dude, if there are so many open minded European ladies, what the fu'ck are you doing posting on here right now

marcsignal

suspectdevice wrote: »

...dude, if there are so many open minded European ladies, what the fu'ck are you doing posting on here right now

i am 1 hour ahead of you,and the bar is still open

bunny shooter

We voted No, and NO should mean NO.

That French twat would want to take a long walk. Two world wars and Vietnam they had to be rescued from and they're telling us what to do ?

marcsignal

bunny shooter wrote: »

That French twat would want to take a long walk.

aw cmon, don't be barking about immigrants, i think he's Romanian, (by birth anyways)

Tar.Aldarion

bunny shooter wrote: »

We voted No, and NO should mean NO.

That French twat would want to take a long walk. Two world wars and Vietnam they had to be rescued from and they're telling us what to do ?

Countries seem to forget any help france gave them in the past. Like America, war of independence ring any bells for them.

javaboy

bunny shooter wrote: »

We voted No, and NO should mean NO.

No does mean NO. If you vote NO again IT will STILL mean NO. Punish the people who will have annoyed you by asking you twice by not voting for them in the next general election.

That French twat would want to take a long walk. Two world wars and Vietnam they had to be rescued from and they're telling us what to do ?

:facepalm:

javaboy

Tara Le d'Arion wrote: »

Countries seem to forget any help france gave them in the past. Like America, war of independence ring any bells for them.

Or our own rebellion in 1798.

marcsignal

javaboy wrote: »

Or our own rebellion in 1798.

good point

Jilm

I think there was a communication breakdown wrt the Lisbon treaty.

Many people who voted no merely misinterpreted the question on the ballot paper as...
"Do you understand the underlying principles behind the Lisbon treaty?"
"Are you happy with the present Fianna Fail led government?"
"Are you happy with life in general?"
"What did the last poster you saw on the way to the voting station tell you to vote?"
"What did talk radio/your mate down the boozer tell you to vote?"

Ireland should let our numerous and extremely well paid elected representives make these decisions, after all that is what they're paid for.

orestes

A Primal Nut wrote: »

I hope they sort it out by throwing Ireland out of the EU as punishment for opposing the treaty. Then all the people who voted no lose their jobs. Serves them right. Of course the people who voted yes would lose their jobs too but would be worth it.

Democracy, beautiful ain't it?

phantom_lord

utick wrote: »

Well after irelands no vote, one would assume lisbon was finished. Aparently not, the eu wants all other countries to continue ratification, and sarkosy, tells the irish they have to vote again.

What i am wondering is if a no vote cant kill this treaty what will it take to kill it, is it even possible to kill the lisbon treaty?

you don't remember the nice treaty?

sdanseo

Google.

French Military Defeats.

I'm feeling lucky.

'nuff said.

hussey

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Google.

French Military Defeats.

I'm feeling lucky.

'nuff said.

ART6

Jilm wrote: »

Ireland should let our numerous and extremely well paid elected representives make these decisions, after all that is what they're paid for.

Given their track record so far, God help us if they do:eek:

Sherifu

A silver bullet?, always worth a try.

ejmaztec

Kick Portugal out of the EU, no more Lisbon Treaty.

WooPeeA

It's not final decision that poeple will vote again.

Joe Cool

No voters caused the recession.

stovelid

So intemperate comments by a French politician are in themselves enough to make people vote against a treaty.

As opposed to finding out about it yourself and making the decision.

Christ.

ejmaztec

If they renamed it "The Dublin Treaty", then everyone in Ireland would vote yes out of a sense of national pride.

faceman

Voting no for Lisbon doesnt mean we dont talk about it anymore. Lisbon afterall is just a name. The core issues of the treaty still need to be adressed.

Its supposed to be about progress regardless of the vote outcome. Not about celebrating who wins or loses

jhegarty

stovelid wrote: »

So intemperate comments by a French politician are in themselves enough to make people vote against a treaty.

As opposed to finding out about it yourself and making the decision.

Christ.

Have you been asleep , we already voted no.....

is_that_so

utick wrote: »

Well after irelands no vote, one would assume lisbon was finished. Aparently not, the eu wants all other countries to continue ratification, and sarkosy, tells the irish they have to vote again.

What i am wondering is if a no vote cant kill this treaty what will it take to kill it, is it even possible to kill the lisbon treaty?

I have to say the expression "petulant child" was the first thing that came to mind on reading this post(Not a personal jibe OP).

That's part of the fun of them along with all the accusations and the intemperance and people learning new words like "democracy" or "democratic deficit" and of course the perennial favourite, complete intolerance. We've had two attempts at Nice, four at various aspects of abortion and be grateful that a new one of those does not look like appearing any time soon.

Hopefully you will also have learnt by now that referenda tend to be less about democracy and more about getting the message to stick any way you can to get the vote to go your way.

BroomBurner

Voting Yes or No on Lisbon was really about whether we are happy with the way the EU is progressing. The EU has radically changed since Ireland joined, and at least we finally had a chance to say whether or not we like the type of government it is becoming. Others haven't had the chance. TBH, I thought it was working fine beforehand, a bit slow, yes, but grand. Ireland is all set to become a net contributor to the EU aswell, so no complaints there.

BTW, never, ever, ever trust a politician. Ever. Anyone that voted yes on the basis that "trust our leaders, they know whats best for us" is as ignorant as those that voted no because "we'll all be aborting babies and committing suicide".

stovelid

jhegarty wrote: »

Have you been asleep , we already voted no.....

I didn't?

I'm referring to the possibility of another vote.

monkeyfudge

ejmaztec wrote: »

If they renamed it "The Dublin Treaty", then everyone in Ireland would vote yes out of a sense of national pride.

There already is a Dublin Treaty.

ejmaztec

monkeyfudge wrote: »

There already is a Dublin Treaty.

Oh bugger! What about "Dublin 2", or something that doesn't sound like a postal district?

Tar.Aldarion

It should be called the no treaty, then, as most voters won't read it or understand it it will get in.

Prof.Badass

I love the E.U and i honestly believe there should be a USE with one army.

But,I don't think brussels should have as much power over us as they do. Everything we do should be volutary.

we're being bullied by the EU and the UN and if the only way we can stand up for ourselves is to vote no, then that's what we need to do untill they take notice (even if it actually means not passing something that would be beneficial to us).

These people see democracy as a stumbling block that must be overcome in order to achieve their goals.They don't give a sh!t about freedom or democracy or anything else we should hold dear.

javaboy

BroomBurner wrote: »

Anyone that voted yes on the basis that "trust our leaders, they know whats best for us" is as ignorant as those that voted no because "we'll all be aborting babies and committing suicide".

+1. I know it's undemocratic and sounds elitist, but I'm beginning to wonder if we shouldn't maybe have a test to see if people know what they're voting for before they be allowed vote.


/runs and hides

ejmaztec

Five hour written test and 200 multiple choice questions. If you pass, you get to vote, if not, out the door.

xOxSinéadxOx

another ****ing lisbon thread...

turgon

BroomBurner wrote: »

Voting Yes or No on Lisbon was really about whether we are happy with the way the EU is progressing.

I veto that sentence.

dan719

javaboy wrote: »

+1. I know it's undemocratic and sounds elitist, but I'm beginning to wonder if we shouldn't maybe have a test to see if people know what they're voting for before they be allowed vote.


/runs and hides

I totally agree. An added bonus would be that most politicians would not be allowed vote, I asked several for explanations on article 20.1 and not one of them knew what it was......

Pixel8

The people need to be the ones making the treaty, not the government/international bankers.
When is someone gonna get the finger out and offer the government something they have to accept if they want to stay in control. They need to atleast build on the irish constitution, not change or delete bits.

Democracy my @$$!

KnifeWRENCH

"How can we kill the Lisbon Treaty?"
By detonating all the world's nuclear devices simultaneously.
Then we wouldn't have to worry about anything.

javaboy

Pixel8 wrote: »

The people need to be the ones making the treaty, not the government/international bankers.

:rolleyes: You want hundreds of millions of people to sit down and hammer out a treaty that they can all be happy on?

Maybe you'd like to do away with public representatives altogether. Of course the Dáil will have to be expanded to accomodate the slighter larger number of people but other than that, I'm sure it could work.

Kernel

The thousand year reich will go ahead no matter what proles! :P

mental07

marcsignal wrote: »

aw cmon, don't be barking about immigrants, i think he's Romanian, (by birth anyways)

French by birth; his father is Hungarian.

How to kill the Lisbon Treaty? It isn't going away you know...

marcsignal

mental07 wrote: »

French by birth; his father is Hungarian.

How to kill the Lisbon Treaty? It isn't going away you know...

Hungarian, yes, my mistake:o

Yazacoo

Cha, the yes campaign sucked.

VOTE YES- because we think its good.

The treaty was nicely positioned soon after ol' Bertie "Steps Downs"- nice slide off.

Oh and the Yanks were delighted because the only real threat of the next world economic power was twarted.

We shouldn't kill it. It was a good treaty. What we need is a good public speaker to go out and explain to the country what the hell it is and then people will be like ohh- so like it would really help us out??