Williams vs McDermott, British Hvy Title. RoundByRound.

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Williams making his way to the ring.

"The Extraordinay Enigma That Is Danny Williams" blah blah blah.....

Jim Watt talking the usual blather than can be expected from a brain damaged old bum from Scotland!! Kidding...Watt is ok. Watt is commending Dannys toughness etc and says he has too much for McDermott.

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Ahh......"Danny Williams Plumbing....Red Star, Drink of Champions......Live and Exclusive on Sky Sports and all over the Internet for Free, 12 rounds for the HVY WT C;Ship of Great Britain"

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McDermott is fat, and tiny. He has those skinny arms and the flabby belly. 16 early wins and 3 defeats. 18 stones. How this guy is the HVW Champ of England is beyond me. Williams is 13lbs heavier.

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Ahh Jaysus the stream collapsed.

Got it back.

Round 1.

They meet in the center of the ring. Williams leans over at an odd angle, lands a few good shots. Bit of mauling on the inside. McDermott is tentative and slow. Tries to box his way in. Watt thinks McDermott looks the part. Looks the part of a fat bastard, if you ask me. Ref tidies them up. McDermotts right eye swelling. Williams is loading and waiting. Left hand dangling. McDermott lands the right and they engage. Williams is a bit too eager and clumsy. McDermott a bit tidier. McDermott tries the uppercut.

Quiet round McDermott shaded it.

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Round 2.

They meet in the center of the ring:

Muslim dude wants Danny to double jab and let his hands go.

McDermott looks so nervous. Williams with the right, then nothing. Long periods of nothing. Good jab by McDermott. Williams left hand is SO LOW. No pressure from Williams, nothing happening. They exchange jabs. Nice short right on the inside by Williams. Too much wrestling. Danny posturing and waiting. 2 punches, then a clinch. Jesus. McDermott doubles the jab and then the right, Williams tries to work the body then switches to the jab.

Close, hard to call.

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ROUND 3

They Meet In The Center Of The Ring:

McDermott has landed 17 jabs to 3. 1 round each, probably.

McDermott looking a bit sorry for himself. Williams starts the round fast, with power shots, clubbing rights. No action from McDermott. He;s abandoned the jab. Williams doing nothing. Nobody doing anything. Lazy jab from McDermott and he gets tagged. Holding. Williams jabs, then holds, and parriss breaks them. Williams round, but there was nothing from McDermott.

2-1 Williams.

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Round 4.

They meet in the Center Of The Ring:

McDermotts people telling him to work the uppercut. McDermotts hand is broken- I think. McDermott opens with 2 quality jabs. Not much in his punches right now. He's too tentative. More mauling. Big rights swapped Williams was a bit bigger. Body shots hurt McDermott. McDermott not really forcing Williams to work, so Williams dictates the pace and does what he want, which is very little, really. Williams tripling his left jab now, arm punches but McDermott is getting nothing off. Big body shot by Williams to end the round.

Williams 3-1.

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Round 5.

The Plod To The Center Of The Ring

mcdermott is doing him!!! doing him!!! doing him!!!! big uppercut!!! this is sensational!! williams holds on!!!

DAMN!!!

too much time left surely...williams is all over the shop!!!!

mcdermott is punching himself out!!!

now williams comes back!!!

1 minute to go..williams legs are gone!!

"this could change mcdermotts life" says Darke!!!!

back comes williams!!! he;s going to make it thru the round. you could score it a 10-8 for mcdermott i think. watt cant belive williams is upright!!!

mcdermott can;t miss with the left.

maybe mcdermott blew it there.

fights level.

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Round 6

It was a huge right uppercut that started. Williams is still in a bit of a state. He could come back.

Here we go......

McDermott looks gassed. Jabs with authority. Williams tries the big hooks downstairs. Massive ****ing shot from McDermott...he looks like Vitali in there with that right hand now!! Williams fires back with a combo and McDermott holds on. Williams is being shaken by every big shot he is hit with but thats how it is with him. Lots of clinching now after a right to the guts by Williams. McDermott shows him the jab, slips the incoming and then nails him with the uppercut. McDermott showing really balls and no small skills but he;s blowing a bit now. Big gulps of air and no real snap on the jab.McDermotts round and I have him ahead now.

McDermott 3-3 Williams with a 10-8 for McDermott.

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Round 7.

They...you get the picture.

Williams shows me the jab, 4 times, Backs McDermott up. Mcdermott is blowing a bit and looks to be the worst condition of both men, at least externally.

Body shots hurt mcdermott. He;s hurt by the right hand. McDermott not really showing anything this round. Williams just cuffing him. My stream is down. Typical.

Fights even Williams won the 7th. 4-3 with a 10-8 for mcdermott.

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Round 8

Williams people want him to slow it down.

Watt has it dead level after 7. 66-66.

Williams winning this one too. In fairness McDermott is just waiting to land that uppercut again and try and take him out. Roles reversed, so to speak. Maybe McDermott will get a 2nd wind. Stream keeps collapsing so its hard to say whats happening now but it seems Williams had the better 8th round, maybe is just ahead, not too many punches landing. nO work from McDermott.

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Round 9.

Williams throwing low body shots as McDermott rests on the ropes. Dave Parriss warns him. Williams does not want points deducted, if its as close as I feel it could be. Both of williams hands down now as McDermott looks for a big chance. Stream is shagged. Williams won that. I have him ahead now by two.

Maybe McDermott feels he has done enuff and can quit now.

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ROUND 10.

MCDermott pushing the jab out. He looks for the uppercut as Williams leans in. He needs more of that. Williams tries to rally and flurry but McDermott ties him up. Its there for McDermott if he would just open up more. He might have won the 10th. He needs the 11th and 12th to pull it out.

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Round 11

McDermotts coach is doing his nut.

Apparently people at ringside have both fighters ahead.

Stream keeps dropping so maybe I'll just leave it till the end. McDermott lands a chopping right and maybe Williams felt that.

1 point coming off from Williams cos of the low blows. That could be a massive massive decision. Another point off!!! Incredible.

Williams needs a stoppage in the 12th.

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ROUND 12 WILLIAMS NEEDS THE KO!!!

HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOO.........

3 mins left.....

McDermotts down.!!! Hes out!! ITS OVER!!!

WILLIAMS WIN KO 12.










































Just kidding.

Williams is going for it though. McDermott hangs on!!! Under 2 mins left now. McDermott needs to keep it tight. Williams mouthpiece is out. Stream is totally fukced up. Stand by.

McDermott holding like a monkey up a tree. Parriss could take a point off for that. 30 seconds....14 seconds....8 seconds....DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES??? {US ICE HOCKEY 1988}

Yessssssssssssss.

Its over. Its going to the cards.

andrewie

Robbed....

A unanimous decision in favour of Williams...

Can't believe that.

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HERE IS THE VERDICT:-

113-113 DRAW
114-111
114-113


WINNER, BY MAJORITY DECISION:

DANNY WILLIAMS


THAT IS A FUKKING DISGRACE!!! IT WAS SET UP FROM DAY ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT WILLIAMS STAYED IN WORLD CONTENTION. THEY ROBBED THAT KID I WONDER WHAT BUNCE THE DUNCE WILL HAVE TO SAY.

With 2 10-8 rounds for McDermott, there is NO WAY he could lose that.

Thats a disgrace. No way fat ass Williams gets a title shot.

amacachi

Most of the respect I had for boxing was gone when I saw McDermott come out in the disgraceful shape he was in, but my god that is the biggest joke of a verdict I've seen

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andrewie wrote: »

Robbed....

A unanimous decision in favour of Williams...

Can't believe that.

Majority decision.

Totally.

I mean even if he only won the 11th and the 5th that was still enough to make it close. Its not like he didn't win enough after that to win the fight.

114-111??

I'm sorry. But thats outrageous. That judge was there to give him all the rounds.

Williams is praising Allah. He says Parris robbed him vs Sprott too. I'm losing a lot of respect for this guy. He says the deductions were ridiculous. if Parris wanted to rob him he would have jumped in the 5th or DQ'd him. Piss off Danny.

corigi

i must say that was one of the worst decisions i have seen..What fight where the judges watching? i presuming they marked there score cards before the fight started.

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corigi wrote: »

i must say that was one of the worst decisions i have seen..What fight where the judges watching? i presuming they marked there score cards before the fight started.

Maloney and his pals have their eyes on a Sam Peter fight. Too much money there for them not to just railroad McDermott. Whatever score you have for Williams you have to take 5 points off it for his disasterous 5th and his shennanigans in the 11th and 12th.

Even a draw was a robbery.

I mean, you have to hope Klitschko beats Peter now. Otherwise this sham gets a title shot.

Aaron M

It was a joke of a decision. McDermott is rubbish (there's no two ways about that really), but with the 10-8 round in his favour (the 5th) and the 3 (!!!) point deductions for Williams there's no way he lost that fight (114-111 on one of the scorecards)!

03mcgs0

The poor fella was robbed, hope to god we dont have any of that to luck forward to from Peter's shows!

Williams will fight another day, make another purse. With all his big fights he must be financially settled?? How much do you reckon he earned for a British domestic fight, which was shown on Friday fight night??????

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03mcgs0 wrote: »

The poor fella was robbed, hope to god we dont have any of that to luck forward to from Peter's shows!

Williams will fight another day, make another purse. With all his big fights he must be financially settled?? How much do you reckon he earned for a British domestic fight, which was shown on Friday fight night??????

Fighting on SKY TV in front of a large crowd has got to be worth a few knicker. But he doesn't deserve any of that. Its not just that he lost, but his low blows and spitting of the shield means he lost in the worse manner possible. He didnt even have the grace to say he felt the other guy won. Instead he tried to blame Parris. Parris did a good job and could have stopped it in the 5th, but he let it go on and gave Danny every chance. Danny wasn't even trying to fight the 11th and the 12th. Surely there has to be an investigation of this. Sure, McDermott was sh!te but he did the worst damage. He looked like Klitschko in there in the 5th.

cowzerp

By your scoring you have it
rd1 10-9 mcdermot
rd2 ? see next rd, so you gave it 10-9 williams
rd3 you say williams is up 2-1 so thats 29-28
rd4 williams 3-1 up, so 39-37
rd5 you say level so clearly 10-8 so 47-47
rd6 3-3 9-10 round so 56-57
rd 7 10-9 williams 66-66
rd 8 10-9 williams 76-75
rd 9 10-9 williams 86-84
rd 10 you where unsure! i'll say 96-93!
rd 11 again no score, but i'll say 9-9 rd because deduction- 105-102
rd 12 8-9 because of 2 deductions- 113-111

Thats pretty much how you scored it, the ones you did not give i put it in, so by your scoring even with the deductions its a williams win. without my add ons you'd have it a draw, but williams won them rounds because he was the only 1 doing anything!!

Mcdermot did not try to win and was only there to last, judging is subjective so it could of swayed 1 way or another, you say about not listening to commentators!!! you bought the commentary- williams was trying to win, point deductions where harsh, and in my opinion williams deserved at least the draw and probably the win.

People raving about the result on this are never on this board so i think there just repeating what the commentators where saying, williams in my opinion won most rounds, maybe lost 2-so even with deductions and 10-8 round still wins.

Anyway-they where both big slow crappy heavyweights, But this was still more entertaining then the Wlad fight the other day.

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cowzerp wrote: »

By your scoring you have it
rd1 10-9 mcdermot
rd2 ? see next rd, so you gave it 10-9 williams
rd3 you say williams is up 2-1 so thats 29-28
rd4 williams 3-1 up, so 39-37
rd5 you say level so clearly 10-8 so 47-47
rd6 3-3 9-10 round so 56-57
rd 7 10-9 williams 66-66
rd 8 10-9 williams 76-75
rd 9 10-9 williams 86-84
rd 10 you where unsure! i'll say 96-93!
rd 11 again no score, but i'll say 9-9 rd because deduction- 105-102
rd 12 8-9 because of 2 deductions- 113-111

Thats pretty much how you scored it, the ones you did not give i put it in, so by your scoring even with the deductions its a williams win. without my add ons you'd have it a draw, but williams won them rounds because he was the only 1 doing anything!!

Mcdermot did not try to win and was only there to last, judging is subjective so it could of swayed 1 way or another, you say about not listening to commentators!!! you bought the commentary- williams was trying to win, point deductions where harsh, and in my opinion williams deserved at least the draw and probably the win.

People raving about the result on this are never on this board so i think there just repeating what the commentators where saying, williams in my opinion won most rounds, maybe lost 2-so even with deductions and 10-8 round still wins.

Anyway-they where both big slow crappy heavyweights, But this was still more entertaining then the Wlad fight the other day.

I said McDermott won those rounds, I didn't say they were the only rounds he won. Once again you have that infuriating habit of assuming someone said something they didn't. McDermott won the 1st, 5th,6th, 11th and 12th and won them clearly. Thats not to say that he didn't win 1 of the 7th,8th,9th and 10th. Williams needs ALL of them to pull the draw.

McD definitely won the 12th, possibly by 2 points, won the 11th, by 2 points, won the 6th by 1 point and the 5th by 2 points and the 1st by 1 point.

That means Williams won the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 7th,8th,9th, and 10th AT BEST. And by 1 point AT MOST in those rounds. Thats 7 10-9 rounds for him, which would give him 70 points, plus the following:

9 for the 1st
8 for the 5th
9 for the 6th
7 for the 11th
8 for the 12th.

Thats 113.

Using the same "outcomes" McDermott has a score of 113. He won the first, lost the 2nd 3rd and 4th, won the 5th and 6th, and, being kind to Williams, he loses the 7th 8th 9th and 10th rounds. But thats being as kind to Williams as I possibly can be. McDermott probably won at least one of those rounds, which would give him a 114-112 win.


So ASSUMING that Williams WON all the rounds that he didn't clearly lose {and he clearly lost the rounds he lost} the very very best he can expect is a draw.

In fairness, he probably LOST one of the 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th rounds. Watching the fight, I knew that Williams had probably needed the KO before after the disasterous 11th in which he threw away the 1, possoibly 2 point lead he had made up.

After the 12th, in which he did nothing, and lost a point, I felt he was at least 1 point down.

There is NO WAY IN HELL you can give Williams a score of 114 for that fight. No way.

As I say, 113-113 I COULD have lived with, considering that McDermott kind of did nothing for long stretches. But Williams was doing shag all too. But to give Williams 114 and only 111 to McDermott is insane. Throw in the fact that McDermott was the only one who really did any serious damage and folks, we have us a winner.

Klitschko is the man. No doubt Bunce will try and tell us that at least McDermott tried, and Williams tried....sure. There was no glamour, it wasn't "sexy", no skill and in the end the judges couldn't even score it right. Be happy with that if you want.

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Big Ears

I watched the repeat last night and had Williams winning even with the 3 points deductions(which seemed overly harsh) and the 10-8 in the 5th .

I think Watt gave McDermott the last 3 rounds on his 'jab', well what I saw was McDermott flicking his arm out and landing nothing behind it . He was throwing a jab and a jab alone and wasn't doing anything else . Williams landed the better punches imo in all of those rounds .

Williams isn't up to much nowadays, he has himself convinced that he should come in between 265-270 pounds so that he can soak up shots rather than being lighter as he was versus Gammer and much more effective .

McDermott just plain isn't up to much .

With Sky and Maloney crying foul the board will order an immediate rematch, and rather than giving up the title I think Danny should take it as quickly as possible . Get it done before August is out and then have him on the Peter v Vitali undercard 5/6 weeks later . If Williams stays active he'll stay in shape(and hopefully light) and might actually deserve a World ranking .

Rematch McDermott and do what he should have done the first time(stop him within 5) and then take on the mystery American opponent . Grant or Barrett would be a good fight if he's looking for a winnable opponent who's a name . Both of those guys would probably be interested in a Williams fight too .

If he's looking for a padded record 'prospect' who's got a ranking then JD Chapman, Carl Drumond and Donnell Holmes would be the choices . Holmes being an especially weak fighter .

Anyway beat one of them and fight Peter provided he wins and then retire(cause he won't win) as a two time title challenger, Mike Tyson conqueror and many time Commonwealth and British champion who should have a decent bank balance .

cowzerp

Big Ears wrote: »

I watched the repeat last night and had Williams winning even with the 3 points deductions(which seemed overly harsh) and the 10-8 in the 5th .

I think Watt gave McDermott the last 3 rounds on his 'jab', well what I saw was McDermott flicking his arm out and landing nothing behind it . He was throwing a jab and a jab alone and wasn't doing anything else . Williams landed the better punches imo in all of those rounds .

Williams isn't up to much nowadays, he has himself convinced that he should come in between 265-270 pounds so that he can soak up shots rather than being lighter as he was versus Gammer and much more effective .

McDermott just plain isn't up to much .

With Sky and Maloney crying foul the board will order an immediate rematch, and rather than giving up the title I think Danny should take it as quickly as possible . Get it done before August is out and then have him on the Peter v Vitali undercard 5/6 weeks later . If Williams stays active he'll stay in shape(and hopefully light) and might actually deserve a World ranking .

Rematch McDermott and do what he should have done the first time(stop him within 5) and then take on the mystery American opponent . Grant or Barrett would be a good fight if he's looking for a winnable opponent who's a name . Both of those guys would probably be interested in a Williams fight too .

If he's looking for a padded record 'prospect' who's got a ranking then JD Chapman, Carl Drumond and Donnell Holmes would be the choices . Holmes being an especially weak fighter .

Anyway beat one of them and fight Peter provided he wins and then retire(cause he won't win) as a two time title challenger, Mike Tyson conqueror and many time Commonwealth and British champion who should have a decent bank balance .

At last someone with a bit of reason and there own mind rather than following the sheep. Well said on all parts big ears.

The Al Lad

In fairness I thought McDermott was robbed, Williams looked deflated and defeated when the fight finished, he didn't raise his arms once in pre victory celebrations, if you like, before the decision was announced, he didn't look confident at all going to the score cards

I'm pretty sure williams was shocked to get the decision

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The Al Lad wrote: »

In fairness I thought McDermott was robbed, Williams looked deflated and defeated when the fight finished, he didn't raise his arms once in pre victory celebrations, if you like, before the decision was announced, he didn't look confident at all going to the score cards

I'm pretty sure williams was shocked to get the decision

how would you expect him to act after 3 points been deducted and waiting for a decision? He won most rounds,although unconvincing he still did, and apart from round 5 mcdermott done nothing really at all. Also you have to beat the champ, everyone knows that. You cant scrape a win v the champ.

The Al Lad

I think the reaction of EVERYONE at ringside last night, EVERYONE in the Williams camp and EVERYONE at sky gave the impression that McDermott was robbed

megadodge

Thank God I checked out this forum. I was beginning to think my judgment was going out the window.

I will admit that my full concentration wasn't completely on the bout as I was playing poker at the time, but I was still watching as much of it as I could.
Having said that I thought right throughout the fight Williams was at least trying to win it and threw more punches, heavier punches and landed more IMO.

As Big Ears said, in the last 3 Sky seemed to give McD the rounds for doing almost nothing. Most definitely in the round where DW lost 2 points, he won it otherwise, meaning a 9-8 round to McD rather than 10-7 ! That's a 2 point difference in a tight fight !

I want to watch it again just to mark it, but I'm not convinced it's the great robbery that the 'momentum' type thinking has it.

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megadodge wrote: »

Thank God I checked out this forum. I was beginning to think my judgment was going out the window.

I will admit that my full concentration wasn't completely on the bout as I was playing poker at the time, but I was still watching as much of it as I could.
Having said that I thought right throughout the fight Williams was at least trying to win it and threw more punches, heavier punches and landed more IMO.

As Big Ears said, in the last 3 Sky seemed to give McD the rounds for doing almost nothing. Most definitely in the round where DW lost 2 points, he won it otherwise, meaning a 9-8 round to McD rather than 10-7 ! That's a 2 point difference in a tight fight !

I want to watch it again just to mark it, but I'm not convinced it's the great robbery that the 'momentum' type thinking has it.

My opening statement has to be that there is NO WAY Williams got 114 points. Thats the first thing. Secondly, the rounds in which McD was "doing nothing" Williams wasnt up to much either. Jim Watt rarely gets it too wrong, and he had McD winning by 2 or 3, that means he was out by 6. That can't be correct.

megadodge

Jim Watt rarely gets it too wrong, and he had McD winning by 2 or 3,

And as I said, in the round where Williams was deducted 2 points Watt marked it 10-7 McDermott. There is no way McDermott won that round, meaning 10-9 Williams, which turns into 8-9 with the deductions. That's a 2 point swing. When you take the last 3 rounds into acount in total and mark them the other way (Williams was definitely doing more) suddenly a Williams victory is perfectly feasible.

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megadodge wrote: »

And as I said, in the round where Williams was deducted 2 points Watt marked it 10-7 McDermott. There is no way McDermott won that round, meaning 10-9 Williams, which turns into 8-9 with the deductions. That's a 2 point swing. When you take the last 3 rounds into acount in total and mark them the other way (Williams was definitely doing more) suddenly a Williams victory is perfectly feasible.

Throw in the fact that he was doing the Zab Judah Medley in the 5th and maybe not....

Eitherways....like I said, there is NO WAY they were going to allow a slob like McDermott, however well he fought, to ruin their little plan.

Its what I hate about the sport.

Sturm getting robbed to facilitate the Oscar vs Hopkins fight. Not a word from the press. Its disgusting.

megadodge

Sturm getting robbed to facilitate the Oscar vs Hopkins fight. Not a word from the press. Its disgusting.

Speaking of that fight, I am one of a minority that thought Oscar won that fight.

I watched it live from the beginning and marked it the exact same as Jim Watt for every round except the first two.

I was astonished that Watt gave them to Sturm. He seemed really surprised that Oscar was caught flush 3-4 times by Sturm's jab and was harping on about Oscar's defence, but in reality Oscar was completely outworking Sturm in the first two, in particular to the body. He was landing hard combinations to the body in order to bring Sturms arms down and in my opinion he clearly won those two rounds as quite literally all Sturm did was throw 5-6 jabs and almost nothing else.

At the end I had Oscar winning by the same total Watt had Sturm winning by and those two rounds were the key. He gave them to Sturm, I gave them to Oscar. We agreed on every other round.

Big Ears

megadodge wrote: »

Speaking of that fight, I am one of a minority that thought Oscar won that fight.

I watched it live from the beginning and marked it the exact same as Jim Watt for every round except the first two.

I was astonished that Watt gave them to Sturm. He seemed really surprised that Oscar was caught flush 3-4 times by Sturm's jab and was harping on about Oscar's defence, but in reality Oscar was completely outworking Sturm in the first two, in particular to the body. He was landing hard combinations to the body in order to bring Sturms arms down and in my opinion he clearly won those two rounds as quite literally all Sturm did was throw 5-6 jabs and almost nothing else.

At the end I had Oscar winning by the same total Watt had Sturm winning by and those two rounds were the key. He gave them to Sturm, I gave them to Oscar. We agreed on every other round.

I can't remember how exactly I had that fight(I know it was 7 rounds to 5 but can't remember who) but incase anyone wants to watch it again the Oscar De La Hoya v Adnan Catic fight is here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZAark_7ZzI

joepenguin

So does Danny get a world title shot now?

Big Ears

joepenguin wrote: »

So does Danny get a world title shot now?

He's not ranked by anyone and unless someone is willing to pay a nice amount of cash he won't be either . I think after last Friday even Peter's camp won't stoop as low as him .

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http://www.skysports.com/experts/expert_story/0,19793,13275_3852074,00.html


If it was any other fighter, I would say it was time to call it a day, but we've seen Danny this bad before and we've seen him bounce back before. But even then, McDermott hurt him and hurt him badly and that was something that Mike Tyson didn't do and, although he gave him a boxing lesson, Vitali Klitschko didn't do either.

What????????