thoughts on US tourney/cash play to back home

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

The difference in play both tourney and cash over in Vegas got me thinking how different it is to here in Ireland. Maybe it is just me but i noticed a few stark differences compared to what i have seen and some of them are listed below.

Tourney
1. They find it very hard to let go of small pocket pairs even in raised/reraised pots into them.
2. They massively overbet qq/kk/aa pre flop in one instance i guy insta shipped his full 15k stack with AA after i raised to 1200 or something early on in a tourney. Seemingly this is a normal play over there.
3. They play very cautiously to a limp or raise in early position
4. Raising on the button is pretty much a waste of time as often sb/bb or limpers completes, they must think a button raise is always a steal

Cash
1. Seen a lot more slowrolling than ever before
2. They buy in much bigger than the normal cash games around Dublin
3. In general they are useless at PLO
4. Mid stake NL games are much tighter during midweek but are a gamble fest the weekends
5. Again point 1,3,4 apply here also

Not sure about the rest who made the trip this year but i will be honest it took me a while to adapt to the live setting over there so i would be interested to hear other viewpoints on their experiences

Mellor

Janiyah White Sonar wrote: »

3. In general they are useless at PLO

Difference here??????????

TheRock

Janiyah White Sonar wrote: »

Cash

4. Mid stake NL games are much tighter during midweek but are a gamble fest the weekends

Dot,

Played a lot midweek in the Venetian and found the standard reasonably good.

Weekend in the MGM was full of drunk weekenders literally throwing their money anyway. Often staying for 30min, donking in as much as possible, raising every pot, so they could rush back to bar/club.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Mellor wrote: »

Difference here??????????

ok lets change that to slighty worse than here then:p

Shivverz

I agree withyour point on early limping. I played the venetian $550 and limped into numerous pots from ep, seems to put the ****s through'em cause I never got raised lol.
Worked out very nicely when I had Q6 sooted and flopped a boat in a 7-way pot

tipp86

I am going to only comment on cash games as i did not get around to playing what i would have liked tournament wise.

I played mainly $1-2 with a bit of $2-5 thrown into the mix. I mainly stuck to the monte carlo where i was staying but payed a visit to a few more.

There is V little aggression and when you are aggresive it pays off as they seem to have a lack of trust for aggressive europeans. It hurt a lot for the first week when i was hitting v little and having to give up hands.

With regards the buy in, it is much different to ireland but i think this goes down to there been more money around, people are in vegas to gamble.

I would prefer if the max buy in was more than $200 as nothing hurts more than not been able to cover a fish when you are caught in a big hand with him.
Caesars offer $500 max buy in, i only played there once but found the standard decent, it may just have been bad table selection.

Again i only played once in the bellagio , but $2-5 is the smallest buy in here, hence the fish will have more money to lose to you, would have played more there but i payed my visit near the end of my trip.

Since we are not just talking about vegas, did any one play the commerce while over there? I simply could not adjust to the buy ins !! The tables were filled with fish yet i simply could not win, maybe its variance but i dont think so.

Any one ever visiting california if you get the chance to play at an indian reservation go for it. I have never seen so many bad players in one place.

LuckyLloyd

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max_power

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

1. Agree - though they will hero fold medium and small pocket pairs to 10BB late position shoves or to late position 3 bet shove resteals in the endgame of tournaments
2. They also hate folding AA postflop no matter what the board or the action.
3. UTG raises followed by c - bets will get a lot of respect, making it kinda profitable to raise half the time from UTG with any two. I never limp so wouldn't know about the second part. For most players, I found that their openlimping range in tournaments was fairly wide - even if some people would limp, repop with AA or KK.
4. I completely and utterly disagree with this point. Position postflop against these guys is like AA every hand. Attacking poor players limping into the pot with bad hands repeatedly while you are on the button / co is your lifeblood over there early in tournaments. They may defend wide preflop, but their range for putting money in the pot over two or three streets will generally be waaaayyy tighter than Irish players making positional raises even more effective than at home. They also play their hands really transparent (betting for info, leading for certain pot percentages with certain range strengths) meaning that if you are in raised pots in position a lot and aren't an idiot you will have a huge advantage. Raise them up I say.

5. The big difference is how tight they call off their zomg tournament life in comparison to Irish players. When average stacks decrease towards the end of tournaments you can crush with resteals and openshoves. Mostly they never have heard of a resteal and their ranges for going all in with less than 10BBs will be shockingly tight. This tendency can also be exploited early on in the tournament where you can bluff successfully with potsize bets that put an opponent all - in (assuming they haven't got a nut type holding). They'll also make sick folds of big combo draws irrespective of the price because no - one likes to risk it on a draw.

Being honest, the way they are bad over there is much more advantageous for a good tournament player. Irish players are bad in a very different type of way - and that way is often much more difficult to exploit if you are card dead with a <20BB stack.

Can't wait to get over there