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An Astrology Experiment!

  • 16-07-2008 3:05pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭


    Hi! First time to this part part of boards.ie, so please do be kind! :)

    Now, anyone want to take part an Astrology experiment here? I have some interest in the fact that so many people that I know follow astrology / astrologers / charts / horoscopes etc and I always wondered what aspect of human nature causes people to take astrology seriously. Why would a rational person think of it as pseudo-science / power of suggestion etc etc!

    Anyway, lets think of this as a fun experiment. I want someone here to volunteer to be the subject of the experiment. I guess he / she should post her exact time and date of birth and location (closest town etc), that's all. Don't even want the name. (This is no identity theft attempt. :D ).

    I will then take that information, and come up with ""predictions"" or ""observations"" or ""things I can figure out"". And if the subject can then comment on the quality of the stuff that I figure out - I guess that would be, fun, if nothing else.

    Now, please step forward only and only if you are confident that you wouldn't fall for the usual things like 'power of suggestion' etc - that is, if I say 'next month is bad for you, careful with automobiles', I don't want you to panic and crash next time when you are out or anything like that. So, at your own risk! Also, I wouldn't be able to answer questions like "when is a good time?" or "someone I know is not well, what will happen?" etc. I am not a psychic, heck I am not an astrologer either. I am just someone who is curious! :)

    Should be fun, right?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    Count me in!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    Well, I was thinking of doing it here - so yeah, please do post me your time and date of birth and place of birth to the nearest town! And oh, I need to know if you are male / female as well - forgot to mention that earlier.

    Name: ???
    Time of Birth:
    Date of Birth:
    Place of Birth:
    Sex: M/F


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    Name: Harry
    TOB: 05:20
    DOB: 05-02
    POB: Dublin
    Sex: M

    Are you using 'real astrology' or cold reading?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    To be honest with you, I don't know the difference between those two!

    Meanwhile I need the year in date of birth. And I don't really need the name. Boards id is sufficient.

    Name: boards id
    Time of Birth:
    Date of Birth: dd-mm-yyyy
    Place of Birth: nearest town (or long/latts)
    Sex: M/F

    Thanks!


    PS: Edit - wikipedia explaied what 'cold reading' is. No, this is a bit more scientific than that! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    You care to go into more details of how it is scientific?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    I take that back - is astrology ever a science? Probably not. I meant I am following this system of working out things based on planetary positions at the time of birth, and the influence of proximity of certain planets at certain stages of a person's life. Can you call that science? I don't know!

    Now, please stop taking me too seriously and give me the year of your birth will you? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Are you going to do a natal chart work up or a coming month work up ?
    Will you be including all the houses ?
    Will you be including Pluto ?
    Will you be including comets ?
    How many conjunctions will you be looking at ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    Astronomy is always scientific. Astrology isn't. It's 1990.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    Thanks, and sorry about the typo! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    The calculations as to were exactly the planets are/were are scientific but the corespondences placed on them and the different houses are not.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭hiorta


    Here you go, positron, pick the bones from this lot.
    Name: ???
    Time of Birth: 01.27 (AM)
    Date of Birth: 02.02.1935
    Place of Birth: Glasgow
    Sex: M


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭LCDeelite


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Are you going to do a natal chart work up or a coming month work up ?
    Will you be including all the houses ?
    Will you be including Pluto ?
    Will you be including comets ?
    How many conjunctions will you be looking at ?


    Try a natal chart first and then an horary one. One at a time.

    Why wouldn't you include all the houses?? That's like asking, "Will you be including all the signs?" Even if the person doesn't have a planet or one of the main asteroids (Chiron, Ceres, Juno, Vesta, Pallas Athena) in a house, that house cusp's sign and thus, its ruler, will rule that particular area of life for the person. You will only know by looking at everything in its entirety..

    Pluto should be included if there is a stellium in Scorpio, Scorpio is rising, or if it is found (by using an accurate birth time), to be angular, involved in a major configuaration, or making important aspects to the luminaries or inner personal planets.

    I don't see the relevance of comets in interpretation.. Some people seem to be very into taking into account The Galactic Center when looking at charts. For instance, if someone has a luminary or a personal planet in the latter degrees of Gemini (approx. 26 degrees), it can have more importance and influence. Paul McCartney, Salman Rushdie, and Venus Williams all fall into this camp..

    Wouldn't you just look at the amount of conjunctions there right in front of your eyes?? "How many"?? That doesn't make any sense to me, I'm afraid.

    I reckon you should include the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto along with the 12 houses (taking particular note of the 1st house/ascendant- its chart ruler and all, you know??). Then weigh up elementary and modality emphasis to ascertain the person's fundamental approach to life (also include the ascendant sign with that, seeing as that really is the 'filter' through which all life experience is processed).

    Note any configurations, groups of planets in signs and/or houses (revealing a life area to be emphasised through the 'colouring' of planets found in that particular house), or any planets in mutual reception. Anything in mutual reception will be especially noteworthy if either planet is personalised or if both planets in mutual reception aspect each other. If the natal chart doesn't appear to reveal much, look at the chart in harmonics 3-7. Look at the most elevated planet in the chart as well- that usually has a sh1tload of influence in people's lives, e.g. Jim Morrison's Neptune was elevated and he is among the many who indirectly sorted out a nice, secure pension plan for good ol' Betty Ford. :p

    Anyway, you no doubt have your own way of doing all of this. I'm sure there is a load I have forgotten to mention on top of all that anyway.. D'Oh! The best overall (unwanted) advice I can give you is to look at the entire thing and see if there's anything that seems to jump out at you. There usually always is, and it isn't for nothing either..

    I'll be interested to see how adeptly you can nail this one for the person.. It'll be fun at the very least anyway. Good luck! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭LCDeelite


    positron wrote: »
    Hi! First time to this part part of boards.ie, so please do be kind! :)


    By the way, WELCOME to the forum. Good to have ya here. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    hiorta wrote: »
    Time of Birth: 01.27 (AM)
    Date of Birth: 02.02.1935
    Place of Birth: Glasgow
    Sex: M

    Right, here goes my (non-existent) reputation! :D

    Hiorta, as you know, I can't make any educated, intelligent guesses here, or tweak what I am saying based on your feedback or posture etc as I can't see you (could also be because I am not all that intelligent... hmm.. :o ). Anyway, I am just going to put a few general statements there, and tell me I get at least some of them correct. I don't know the stats, but I suppose if I get half right and half wrong, that's probably just pot luck and unimpressive. Lets see.

    Feb-Mar '08.

    Good period in general. New ventures, financial benefit from real estate etc, good result in legal disputes if you had any. Might have lost money if you were involved in any speculation / gamble etc. Some relatives might have had health issues during this period?

    Mar-Apr '08 might have been even better. Unexpected income, even if its minor? Some celebration in the family, may be related to your children or grand children? Again, some ailments to some of your relatives.

    May-July 08 - again, good period. Popular, happy, satisfied and proud in general, and especially about children or grand children.

    Aug-Sep 08 - Good and bad. Careful about minor ailments and don't neglect them as if you do (common sense) they *could* get complicated later. Minor issues at home / wife / partner.

    Sep-Nov 08 - Again, a decent period for you. Your acquired knowledge / expertise might be called up on. New deals, journeys (holidays probably). More influential and more satisfied in general.

    Dec 08 - Jan 09 - Excellent time again. Joy and proud of the family, prosperity, success in all endeavors, and over all excellent period.

    Over all, not a bad year!

    There, done! :o:o:o:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    Thaedydal, LCDeelite - I am not ignoring your questions, I just don't know the answers tbh! The astrology I know of is in a different language and a lot of the technical terms are just words to me and I don't know enough to explain it here. Anyway, we might not have to, depending on what hiorta comes back with! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    And me?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭hiorta


    Hi positron.
    Nothing very specific, but there is nothing specific! Apart from being involved in a coming charitable mediumistc meeting at Ayr on November 30th.

    I have been an active Spiritual Healer for some 30 years and founded a Spiritualist Church in 1995, which I have now moved on from.

    The family is spread over three countries and the 'no news is good news' understanding applies.

    Life is smooth, powerful, rewarding and satisfying. I have no wants and few needs, so I'd agree with your reading.

    Well done. Keep going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    ???, apologies for not replying to you yesterday, can I come back to you once we finish hiorta's?

    hiorta, you are right - I didn't really mention anything specific so that you can comment on the accuracy. But glad to know I didn't get anything massively wrong either! May be that's how astrology works, who knows? And here's some more..


    Personality-wise, you are usually of good judgement and quick inllect, but slighly disordered. You will have few enemies - mostly jealouse people. You would be inclined to philosophy and religion ideas, (but I guess you already told me that).

    Are you tall & upright? Elongagted face, rounded forehead, grey/blue eyes (now, again, born in Glasgow in 19somethings, this is an easy guess I suppose...)

    You work too hard and you could have issues related to your blood (poor circulation, blood pressure, varicose veins, palpitations, ruptures, swellings - nothing inherited though). Your eyesight will remain decent.

    Did you take Masters, or an equivalent professional diploma? You are versatile and will be successfull in service and business of your own. In fact, you might have started off working in service sector and then moved on to running your own business (You already told me enough to give me clues to this I suppose).

    Did you get married young / early?

    You have traveled a lot, and likes it too, for both pleasure and business.

    Okay, how did I do? :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭mossieh


    LCDeelite wrote: »


    Try a natal chart first and then an horary one. One at a time.

    Why wouldn't you include all the houses?? That's like asking, "Will you be including all the signs?" Even if the person doesn't have a planet or one of the main asteroids (Chiron, Ceres, Juno, Vesta, Pallas Athena) in a house, that house cusp's sign and thus, its ruler, will rule that particular area of life for the person. You will only know by looking at everything in its entirety..
    Pluto should be included if there is a stellium in Scorpio, Scorpio is rising, or if it is found (by using an accurate birth time), to be angular, involved in a major configuaration, or making important aspects to the luminaries or inner personal planets.

    I don't see the relevance of comets in interpretation.. Some people seem to be very into taking into account The Galactic Center when looking at charts. For instance, if someone has a luminary or a personal planet in the latter degrees of Gemini (approx. 26 degrees), it can have more importance and influence. Paul McCartney, Salman Rushdie, and Venus Williams all fall into this camp..

    Wouldn't you just look at the amount of conjunctions there right in front of your eyes?? "How many"?? That doesn't make any sense to me, I'm afraid.

    I reckon you should include the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto along with the 12 houses (taking particular note of the 1st house/ascendant- its chart ruler and all, you know??). Then weigh up elementary and modality emphasis to ascertain the person's fundamental approach to life (also include the ascendant sign with that, seeing as that really is the 'filter' through which all life experience is processed).

    Note any configurations, groups of planets in signs and/or houses (revealing a life area to be emphasised through the 'colouring' of planets found in that particular house), or any planets in mutual reception. Anything in mutual reception will be especially noteworthy if either planet is personalised or if both planets in mutual reception aspect each other. If the natal chart doesn't appear to reveal much, look at the chart in harmonics 3-7. Look at the most elevated planet in the chart as well- that usually has a sh1tload of influence in people's lives, e.g. Jim Morrison's Neptune was elevated and he is among the many who indirectly sorted out a nice, secure pension plan for good ol' Betty Ford. :p

    Anyway, you no doubt have your own way of doing all of this. I'm sure there is a load I have forgotten to mention on top of all that anyway.. D'Oh! The best overall (unwanted) advice I can give you is to look at the entire thing and see if there's anything that seems to jump out at you. There usually always is, and it isn't for nothing either..

    I'll be interested to see how adeptly you can nail this one for the person.. It'll be fun at the very least anyway. Good luck! :D

    I've never seen someone lay an astrological smackdown before, I like it.

    Sounds like you're out of your depth here Thaedydal.

    Sometimes I find myself dumbfounded by the amount of time and energy you guys put into this stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    positron wrote: »
    The astrology I know of is in a different language and a lot of the technical terms are just words to me and I don't know enough to explain it here.

    How strange, care to elaborate ?

    I'm not out of my depth I was asking some very basic questions of positron to guage his grasp and knowledge levels.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Mossieh if your only intention on this forum is to troll, please take it somewhere else


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭hiorta


    Personality-wise, you are usually of good judgement and quick inllect, but slighly disordered. You will have few enemies - mostly jealouse people. You would be inclined to philosophy and religion ideas, (but I guess you already told me that).

    Aye to all.

    Are you tall & upright? Elongagted face, rounded forehead, grey/blue eyes (now, again, born in Glasgow in 19somethings, this is an easy guess I suppose...)

    Last time I looked this was so

    You work too hard and you could have issues related to your blood (poor circulation, blood pressure, varicose veins, palpitations, ruptures, swellings - nothing inherited though). Your eyesight will remain decent.

    Aye again plus coronary artery by-pass

    Did you take Masters, or an equivalent professional diploma? You are versatile and will be successfull in service and business of your own. In fact, you might have started off working in service sector and then moved on to running your own business (You already told me enough to give me clues to this I suppose).

    Aye again. 43 years in Service industry, last 22 self employed and self-taught

    Did you get married young / early?

    No.

    You have travelled a lot, and liked it too, for both pleasure and business.

    Again, full marks

    Okay, how did I do?

    Very well


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭LCDeelite


    ??? wrote: »
    Name: Harry
    TOB: 05:20
    DOB: 05-02
    POB: Dublin
    Sex: M

    Are you using 'real astrology' or cold reading?


    Is that supposed to be a joke or what? :confused:

    How can you 'cold read' someone you can't even see???.... I imagine you bloody can't!! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭LCDeelite


    Well done, Positron. You did a great job- Hiorta seems very pleased. Cool. :cool:

    Jesus, don't take any notice of my never-ending stream of 'technical' jargon back there! :pac: In any case, you'll either endeavour 2 know what you're interested in knowing regarding the subject, or what you need to know (if you're taking the thing kinda seriously). It's a personal thing- everyone approaches things differently.

    And stop that self-deprecating attitude where you're diminishing your achievement in acquiring the present bank of knowledge you have!! :o Take it easy on yourself- and don't 'compare' yourself 2 'know-it-all'-sounding dingbats like myself who drop out of the paranormal forum 'sky' (!) ranting on about God-knows-what like a mad thing! When I get passionate about a topic, I'm inclined to wax lyrical 2 the hilt. :eek: Plus, I've been following this stuff since I was 9 (older sister had loadsa books on it&I'd get bored during school summer hols at times). I was a weirdo of a child!! :pac: I should have been reading bloody Roald Dahl or JK Rowling!

    It'd be [EMAIL="cr@p"]cr@p[/EMAIL] if we knew EVERYTHING about something- what would there be left 2 explore then? The excitement and anticipation would be dead&gone! There are LOADS of things about this subject of which I still know f*ck all! :D But I like that- it keeps things interesting.

    At the risk of sounding like goddamn Deepak Chopra or the Dalai Lama now..! :o When looking ahead to your final 'destination', don't lose sight of the enriching 'journey' in getting there, Positron! :P

    :) Keep up the great work. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    LCDeelite wrote: »


    Is that supposed to be a joke or what? :confused:

    How can you 'cold read' someone you can't even see???.... I imagine you bloody can't!! :rolleyes:

    It's quite simple really. You just have to use a lot of Barnum statements and rainbow ruses. And yes I can and have.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭beaushalloe


    well done positron looks like your astrology experiment turned out well. its somthing i know nothing about, and thyaedydals post scared the bejesus out of me!! (only joking)
    if you feel like going again my details are below.

    Name: Beaushalloe
    Time of Birth: 6.40am
    Date Of Birth: 14/3/74
    Place Of Birth:Waterford
    Sex:F


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    Thaedydal, I totally understand, and respect your questions. I guess its easier if I tell you straight out that I don't know much, because that in fact is the truth. A few books that I read on the topic is in an Indian langauage, and I suppose its more vedic than western. I could tell you words like 'ganam' (type/race), 'apaharam' (influence), 'kaal' (bad influence), 'dhristi' (view), 'adhipan' (owner) etc. I am not entirely comfortable with them myself, and I know zilch about Western astrology - I am NOT going to attempt to translate something that I don't fully understand, into something that I don't understand at all! Believe me, you don't want me to! :D

    LCDeelite, thanks a million for the nice words and advice. You are totally right, journey is just as important as the destination! On the comment on 'self-depreciating attitude', by the end of the thread (after analysing a few more cases) I will explain my background, what got me interested in this, and what I am hoping from this experiment. I have a feeling that I might surprise a few here. Anyway, for the sake of the sanity of the term 'experiment', I am going to keep my mind clean and leave this thread to play out itself. Jeez, now I sound like I need to see Deepak Chopra and the like! :D

    beashalloe, thanks for volunteering! Can I come to you after "???"? (sorry, thats too many question marks!!)

    hiorta, thanks a million for the feedback. Its really interesting and as I said earlier, lets keep it aside now as a result and hopefully make sense when we have a few more cases discussed. On the other hand, its really lovely to know some aspects of the real human experience behind just a username! Thanks for sharing it with us!

    Thanks again everyone, and especially hiorta!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    Okay, now '???'.

    Feb 2008

    Decent month. *May be* income from unexpected sources? New friendships, and you might get a new gadget / or something which will make you happy. Might have had minor issues with your mother's health?

    Mar-Apr 2008

    Mixed kinda period for you. Lucky in romance, but your high impulsiveness might have caused few issues? And more gadgets may be?

    May- 1st week of June 2008

    Good times again. You will do well in your academic pursuits during this period, and will be even more popular. You might find yourself really supercharged / energic, and no issues at home to worry about!

    rest of June - July 2008

    Not too good - especially minor health issues, and as always, never ignore them! You might feel a bit stuck or helpless on certain issues and someone might come across as very difficult to please? Solution is probably to back off a bit and work with them, or else you might end up having to change certain things, look elsewhere etc.

    Aug - Sep 2008

    Ah the future! Its good! Your skill and knowledge will come handy. Colleagues / coworkers might annoy you a bit during this period, but you will be fine. Watch what you eat / drink in this period. You may even be considering a chance travel, or may be even to move to another country for a while? (commonsense guesses - Australia? US?)

    Whatever it is, it might be around end of Sep, early Oct - minor issues, slight heartaches around that time...!

    Oct - Dec 2008

    Rest of the year is fab. New ventures will work out well for you, on almost everything, including girls! You will learn a lot - academic or not! If your travels are work related, that will go well too.

    Jan 2009

    Isn't all that good now. Issues at work, and some minor disagreements with your mother or her side of the family. Stay cool and be very tactful during this period. Resist temptations and speculations and they wouldn't work in your favour! Again, stay cool, stay focused and look at the bigger picture.

    So, there you go! Feel free to be brutally honest! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    I'll give it a go.

    DOB: 16/06/1986 11:45pm
    Place of Birth: Dublin
    Sex: Male.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭BumblebeeGirl


    Im really interested in this stuff please read me! :)


    DOB: 26/06/85
    TOB: 10AM
    Place: Dublin
    SEX: Female


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    Feb 2008

    Decent month. *May be* income from unexpected sources?
    My birthday, but I told you that and it was hardly unexpected!!!
    New friendships,
    No.
    and you might get a new gadget / or something which will make you happy.
    Birthday again, but I told you about that!!! And didn't get gadgets!
    Might have had minor issues with your mother's health?
    No.

    Mar-Apr 2008

    Mixed kinda period for you. Lucky in romance,
    No romance a all for that period, bloody exams!
    but your high impulsiveness might have caused few issues?
    Em... don't think so.
    And more gadgets may be?
    No

    May- 1st week of June 2008

    Good times again.
    This was the run in to my leaving cert, no good times at all!
    You will do well in your academic pursuits during this period,
    We'll find out soon!
    and will be even more popular.
    Flattery?
    You might find yourself really supercharged / energic,
    I was actually a bit down due to the whole studying thing.
    and no issues at home to worry about!
    Yeah don't think there were any issues.

    rest of June - July 2008

    Not too good - especially minor health issues, and as always, never ignore them!
    No and health advice??? From pluto?
    You might feel a bit stuck or helpless on certain issues
    Exams certainly.
    and someone might come across as very difficult to please?
    Don't think so.
    Solution is probably to back off a bit and work with them, or else you might end up having to change certain things, look elsewhere etc.
    Advice from venus?

    Aug - Sep 2008

    Ah the future! Its good! Your skill and knowledge will come handy. Colleagues / coworkers might annoy you a bit during this period, but you will be fine. Watch what you eat / drink in this period. You may even be considering a chance travel, or may be even to move to another country for a while? (commonsense guesses - Australia? US?)

    Whatever it is, it might be around end of Sep, early Oct - minor issues, slight heartaches around that time...!

    Oct - Dec 2008

    Rest of the year is fab. New ventures will work out well for you, on almost everything, including girls! You will learn a lot - academic or not! If your travels are work related, that will go well too.

    Jan 2009

    Isn't all that good now. Issues at work, and some minor disagreements with your mother or her side of the family. Stay cool and be very tactful during this period. Resist temptations and speculations and they wouldn't work in your favour! Again, stay cool, stay focused and look at the bigger picture.

    Can't judge the future yet! No more intended travelling than holidays entail though.

    So, there you go! Feel free to be brutally honest! :)

    Couple of hits but I didn't feel there was anything really specific. Nothing there that would convince me there is anything to astrology. Wanna try the character analysis?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 munks


    I'll give it a go then...
    Name: Munks
    DOB: 23/08/80
    Time: 19:20
    Place: Monaghan
    Sex: Female


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    Munks, thanks, you are after Beaushalloe, Blisterman & Bumblebeegirl in that order!

    '???' - LOL :D 'Couple of hits'? You are being too nice here! One for the bin surely!! :D

    Okay, moving on - on general things:

    You are very sincere and expect the same from others as well - however, you don't always get that and that will gradually make you suspicious of everything, and start doubting everyone! But do be careful dealing with your friends and business associates as there's a good chance that some of them might work against you! You do have a knack to deal with people who cheated you in the past, and even if you are very enthusiastic, aware and agile, your affectionate regard to others might make you more vulnerable. You will have success in drama, music and fine arts.

    You usually express your sincere and unbiased opinion. You are intolerant to prejudiced judgment from others. You are open to ideas and follow procedures in your professional life, but in your personal life, you act according to your own will. You will be well educated and would like scientific approach to life.

    You would feel like you are constantly fighting against odds till you are 32 years old, but after 32 you will shine in all walks of life! You will do very well as a financial adviser, however, you would find yourself overspending over and again. Again, proper success in life for you is after you turn 32. You are at your professional peak between 33 and 50, during that period everything you get into will reward you well. Do control the urge to take on a new project before finishing the previous one though!

    You are tall with impressive appearance (or will be, in a few years). Good build, thin legs, long arms.

    You might have had health issues on your early childhood? Frequent stomach issues, cuts and bruises and may be some pain around upper-back / collarbone / neck?

    You are from a well-off background (rich relatives? :D ), and will travel a lot.

    :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭Sunn


    interesting.


    22/10/1985
    7:20 pm
    8w38, 52n40


    looking forward to it. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭BumblebeeGirl


    Looking forward to hearing my reading positron! Maybe you coud try and shed some light on a certain dilemma im going through at the moment?;)

    B


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    positron wrote: »
    '???' - LOL :D 'Couple of hits'? You are being too nice here! One for the bin surely!! :D
    Yes I am but I don't know what your beliefs are so I don't want a ban for saying your reading was ****e!!!
    You are very sincere and expect the same from others as well - however, you don't always get that and that will gradually make you suspicious of everything, and start doubting everyone!
    So I'm both sincere and insincere???
    But do be careful dealing with your friends and business associates as there's a good chance that some of them might work against you!
    Ahh Capitalism!
    You do have a knack to deal with people who cheated you in the past,
    News to me!
    and even if you are very enthusiastic,
    I'll give you that one.
    aware
    Of what?
    and agile,
    Physically? Mentally?
    your affectionate regard to others might make you more vulnerable.
    Ehm... affecytionate is not a word that's ever been used to describe me! Cold and emotionless is more often used!
    You will have success in drama, music and fine arts.
    Congratulations. You have highlited three of my weakest areas!!!

    You usually express your sincere and unbiased opinion. You are intolerant to prejudiced judgment from others.
    Yeah suppose. Sorta demonstrated on the boards!!!
    You are open to ideas and follow procedures in your professional life,
    As opposed to?
    but in your personal life, you act according to your own will.
    Same question as above
    You will be well educated and would like scientific approach to life.
    Yeah give you that too.

    You would feel like you are constantly fighting against odds till you are 32 years old,
    Well I haven't for the last 18 years but we'll see!
    but after 32 you will shine in all walks of life! You will do very well as a financial adviser, however, you would find yourself overspending over and again.
    Contradiction?
    Again, proper success in life for you is after you turn 32. You are at your professional peak between 33 and 50, during that period everything you get into will reward you well. Do control the urge to take on a new project before finishing the previous one though!
    Future predictions...

    You are tall with impressive appearance (or will be, in a few years). Good build, thin legs, long arms.
    Em... no. I am 5'10, not tall by any measure. Skinny legs and long arms? Wouldn't call that accurate.

    You might have had health issues on your early childhood? Frequent stomach issues, cuts and bruises and may be some pain around upper-back / collarbone / neck?
    Bit vague and no.

    You are from a well-off background (rich relatives? :D ), and will travel a lot.
    Suppose...
    :)

    Again it's got a few hits but mostly vague. Easily replicated with cold reading.

    Overall I would say that there was no information there that was unavailable from reading any of my posts on the forum, cold reading and flat out making **** up!!! It would do nothing to convince me of the validity of astrology.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Ok fair enough ??? so want to prove your point by doing a cold reading for me with out the date of birth and with out you digging through my past posts for the last 6 months and lets see how you do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    ??? wrote: »
    Again it's got a few hits but mostly vague. Easily replicated with cold reading.

    Overall I would say that there was no information there that was unavailable from reading any of my posts on the forum, cold reading and flat out making **** up!!! It would do nothing to convince me of the validity of astrology.

    Thanks for the response, '???'. Lets not forget, I am not trying to convince you or anyone here of anything! See the title of the thread - its an experiment for my own benefit - and you volunteered to help me! And I thank you for that! Assuming your responses are genuine and not ruled by preset anti-astrology feelings, I think in your case, we have a clear direction that for the date and time you gave me, it just doesn't work.

    Unlike the lot from Brainiac, lets not call off the experiment based on two cases. Let me try a few more - say another eight - which I think should be enough to give a slightly clearer picture!

    Meanwhile, a few answers to your questions - only because you asked, not predictions, just clarifications to what I said earlier:

    Q: "..So I'm both sincere and insincere???"

    No, you are naturally sincere. But too many bad apples, have made you wary of good people too.

    Q: "Ahh Capitalism!"

    I sense the sarcasm, but if you really want to know, all I meant is to say that your caring / genuine nature might make you ignore the tiny warning lights that goes off inside you and someone you would otherwise trust as part of the team might take advantage of that. I am NOT talking about your everyday workplace competition.

    Q: "aware / of what, agile / physically, mentally"

    This should be read in context with the previous statement. You are well aware that someone is acting dodgy and might do you harm, but you might give in and fall for their trick because you are sincere and you tend to expect it from others too.

    Q: "Yeah suppose. Sorta demonstrated on the boards!!!"

    Didn't go thru your comments at boards. I think I checked your profile once, when you didn't include year in your dob. But now that you said it, may I should have..? I don't know, I am not astrologer and I don't know their code of practice.

    Q: "As opposed to?"

    As opposed to how you find a lot of people, who would have trouble following work practices, suggestions from managers on how to do things? Its a real problem a lot of people have. You wouldn't be one of them, and that's good.

    Q: "Contradition?"

    Well, some people are brilliant at organizing projects and managing people but might have a kip of a house, messy and dirty with children running riot. A bit like that..! :D

    Thanks again '???' - So lets call that 'fail' then. I will move on to the next person later tonight! Thanks! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    Name: Beaushalloe
    Time of Birth: 6.40am
    Date Of Birth: 14/3/74
    Place Of Birth:Waterford
    Sex:F

    Okay Beaushalloe, let me give this a go!

    Characteristics: You are strong, forceful, daring, confident and energetic and capable of seeing through really ambitious projects. Your views will be pre-set and you will be fond of mysteries. You will be sarcastic and witfull. You will have impulsive love-affairs, which may lead to tricky situations. You are extremely logical and far-sighted, and you would do better than your counterparts. Your success will open up bigger and better opportunities for you, and as you move up the food-chain (so to speak), you could become tyrannical and a bit cruel. Your passions are quick and volatile. Pre/Post marriage affairs could lead into a bit of bother (I don't know - please don't ask me to explain this! :o )

    Out of curiosity, are you an expert / specializing in chemicals / medicines / forensic equipment or procedures? Government job too. I suppose that only leaves a handful of jobs so - Garda? :D:D

    Have you had any issues to the lower part of your body (especially feet, may be left side)? You could also have seasonal health issues (like allergies, I suppose) causing headaches. Nose bleeds, tonsillitis?

    And I think you have innocent looking face with prominent brows and sharp facial features.

    This is slightly similar to '???'s case - you will earn your living and will survive on your own income - which should gone up since you were 32, but there could be some loss of income when you turn 44.

    Also did you mother face hardships when you were young?

    Predictions for the year:

    March-April 2008: Mixed kinda period. Stomach issues, acidity etc. You are worried that you are spending too much on entertainment, and yeah, may be you are.

    May-June 2008: Good period. You will learn more in your selected field let it school / work. Your problem solving skills are being noticed, and you might have a few short journeys. Spouse nice and supportive here.

    July-Sep 2008: Now. All good, except for possible health issues. Health of your mother / children could be of some concern. Spouse might be spending more than what you are comfortable with. Everything else good - may be even more responsibilities at work.

    Oct 2008: Mixed. Stomach disorders again. Probably a good time to give up bad habits (if any). Speculation and entertainment is going to be the main expenses.

    Nov-Jan 2008: Good again. Promotions, success in tests etc, happy family life, proud about children (if you have any), work related travel would result in more success.

    Jan 2009: Not too good with respect to children's health as it would be some concern. You would receive favors from superiors and more recognition for your expertise.


    That's all. I suppose one or two specific points there. I am really curious to know what you make of that! Thanks! :D

    PS: BumblebeeGirl, I wouldn't advise you follow what I am doing here, see how it turned out for '???'. If I must say something, I would say "detach yourself from the situation, think of the scene like a play that you are directing, analyze the situation thoroughly, think all sides of the story, write down possible next moves, and then write down the plus / minus of each scenario, and then sleep on it for a night, and wake up in the morning, smile, decide from your gut instinct - which is now perfected by all the analysis you did -. Think with your head, decide with your heart, and never look back"! But, I am sure you knew that already! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭LCDeelite


    ??? wrote: »
    It's quite simple really. You just have to use a lot of Barnum statements and rainbow ruses. And yes I can and have.



    However, I disagree that everyone cold reads. I don't need the likes of you giving me a succinct, general overview of cold reading when I can think for myself and generally don't give a flying f*ck about its employment anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    I was expecting some feedback from both '???' to my comments, and from beaushalloe regarding all that I said - well, guess they are busy. I guess will move on to blisterman and bumblebeegirl tonight..!

    Sunn, you need to tell me M/F as well. Thanks!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭Sunn


    male


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭LCDeelite


    Hi Positron, :cool:

    What type of astrology do you use? Is it Western, Vedic, or Chinese astrology? Or another? I'm intrigued- really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    Sorry been away.
    positron wrote: »
    Q: "..So I'm both sincere and insincere???"

    No, you are naturally sincere. But too many bad apples, have made you wary of good people too.

    Ehm.... Thet wouldn't strike me as accurate.


    Q: "Ahh Capitalism!"

    I sense the sarcasm, but if you really want to know, all I meant is to say that your caring / genuine nature might make you ignore the tiny warning lights that goes off inside you and someone you would otherwise trust as part of the team might take advantage of that. I am NOT talking about your everyday workplace competition.

    See above.


    Q: "aware / of what, agile / physically, mentally"

    This should be read in context with the previous statement. You are well aware that someone is acting dodgy and might do you harm, but you might give in and fall for their trick because you are sincere and you tend to expect it from others too.

    Ditto

    Q: "Yeah suppose. Sorta demonstrated on the boards!!!"

    Didn't go thru your comments at boards. I think I checked your profile once, when you didn't include year in your dob. But now that you said it, may I should have..? I don't know, I am not astrologer and I don't know their code of practice.

    Not accusing you of it.


    Q: "As opposed to?"

    As opposed to how you find a lot of people, who would have trouble following work practices, suggestions from managers on how to do things? Its a real problem a lot of people have. You wouldn't be one of them, and that's good.

    Again I wouldn't feel that's an accurate description.

    Q: "Contradition?"

    Well, some people are brilliant at organizing projects and managing people but might have a kip of a house, messy and dirty with children running riot. A bit like that..! :D

    Ditto

    Thanks again '???' - So lets call that 'fail' then. I will move on to the next person later tonight! Thanks! :)
    Ok fair enough ??? so want to prove your point by doing a cold reading for me with out the date of birth and with out you digging through my past posts for the last 6 months and lets see how you do.

    No mate, if I'm doing it I get all the info the astrologers get. I won't trawl your posts if you don't want though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭beaushalloe


    positron wrote: »
    Okay Beaushalloe, let me give this a go!

    Characteristics: You are strong, forceful, daring, confident and energetic and capable of seeing through really ambitious projects. Your views will be pre-set and you will be fond of mysteries. You will be sarcastic and witfull. You will have impulsive love-affairs, which may lead to tricky situations. You are extremely logical and far-sighted, and you would do better than your counterparts. Your success will open up bigger and better opportunities for you, and as you move up the food-chain (so to speak), you could become tyrannical and a bit cruel. Your passions are quick and volatile. Pre/Post marriage affairs could lead into a bit of bother (I don't know - please don't ask me to explain this! :o )

    Most of the above describes me well

    Out of curiosity, are you an expert / specializing in chemicals / medicines / forensic equipment or procedures? Government job too. I suppose that only leaves a handful of jobs so - Garda? :D:D

    am not a garda but have always wanted to be, was half an inch short!

    Have you had any issues to the lower part of your body (especially feet, may be left side)? You could also have seasonal health issues (like allergies, I suppose) causing headaches. Nose bleeds, tonsillitis?

    i used to suffer chronic migraine and i have been hospitalized several times for tonsilitis

    And I think you have innocent looking face with prominent brows and sharp facial features.

    True

    This is slightly similar to '???'s case - you will earn your living and will survive on your own income - which should gone up since you were 32, but there could be some loss of income when you turn 44.

    [I]At 32 i changed to a higher paid job, had been in previous job for ten years[/I]

    Also did you mother face hardships when you were young?

    probably, in the ressission of the seventies/eighties, like everyone at that time.

    Predictions for the year:

    March-April 2008: Mixed kinda period. Stomach issues, acidity etc. You are worried that you are spending too much on entertainment, and yeah, may be you are.

    May-June 2008: Good period. You will learn more in your selected field let it school / work. Your problem solving skills are being noticed, and you might have a few short journeys. Spouse nice and supportive here.

    July-Sep 2008: Now. All good, except for possible health issues. Health of your mother / children could be of some concern. Spouse might be spending more than what you are comfortable with. Everything else good - may be even more responsibilities at work.

    Oct 2008: Mixed. Stomach disorders again. Probably a good time to give up bad habits (if any). Speculation and entertainment is going to be the main expenses.

    Nov-Jan 2008: Good again. Promotions, success in tests etc, happy family life, proud about children (if you have any), work related travel would result in more success.

    Jan 2009: Not too good with respect to children's health as it would be some concern. You would receive favors from superiors and more recognition for your expertise.

    although you refer to stomach issues here its not somthing i suffer with but i am sure i know what it specifically is. without saying much that would of been the issue i was concerned about.

    That's all. I suppose one or two specific points there. I am really curious to know what you make of that! Thanks! :D



    PS: BumblebeeGirl, I wouldn't advise you follow what I am doing here, see how it turned out for '???'. If I must say something, I would say "detach yourself from the situation, think of the scene like a play that you are directing, analyze the situation thoroughly, think all sides of the story, write down possible next moves, and then write down the plus / minus of each scenario, and then sleep on it for a night, and wake up in the morning, smile, decide from your gut instinct - which is now perfected by all the analysis you did -. Think with your head, decide with your heart, and never look back"! But, I am sure you knew that already! :)

    so overall form the little information i think its surprisingly accurate. obviously i can comment on the futer months preditictions but it does seem relevent and i look forward to seeing what happens. thank you very much for giving up your time for doing this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    Beaushalloe, thanks a lot for the feedback – very interesting indeed! It all pointed so much towards various chemicals, laboratory type of things – are you in anyway closer to anything like that? Like a chemist or lab tech or well, chef even? Or could be something that you take? Of course, please ignore this question if you are not comfortable sharing it – its totally okay! Thanks again for the feedback – absolutely essential to keep the ‘experiment’ going! :)

    ‘???’, fair enough then. I guess that’s 0 in a scale of 1 to 10. Oh wait, you are only 18, you will grow into a lot of these descriptions! Come back to this thread when you turn 32! I am only joking! :D:D

    LCDeelite, Thaedydal, I thought I mentioned it before, its Vedic astrology.

    Now, Blisterman, in no particular order…

    According to your horoscope, you will be an active person wth genuine, versatile and kind disposition. You will be good at theoretical / analytical science, technology / engineering, and will have skilful hands, and you are probably into the field of medicine and hygiene. You will be particular about your diet and clothing. You are quick and alert. You will be overly systematic and methodical. You notice minute details and tend to be very precise.

    Full forehead, long hair swept back and inclined to baldness on top of the head. Grey/Blue eyes, straight nose and wide shoulders.

    Your health issues are mostly around upper body area – shoulders, arms, hands and even the nervous system. Potential problems like asthma, chest disorders, frequent colds or flu, spondylitis etc. Work related stress is another threat. However, on a larger scheme of things, you will be very healthy and fit throughout your life. You will have a long life.

    You would have good level of education. Bachelor’s degree or Masters even – or a Bachelor’s with a further diploma – in analytical or physical sciences. You could even be a physician or a surgeon (reading together good education, skilful hands etc, or even a programmer? IT? Software Engineer?). You are versatile and will succeed in service sector or on own business.

    Your marriage life would be the best possible kind one can expect. You will have similar likes, dislikes, hopes and aspirations and you will consider each other dearer than own life and your relationship will last forever.

    Specific to this year:

    June-July 2008 – Excellent position, except for health matters. Work responsibilities might go up, along with the income. Health of your relatives might be of some concern.

    Aug-Sep 2008 – Unfortunate position. Skin conditions, income squeeze and excessive expenditure.

    Oct 2008 – Mixed. While work situation improves, health of a relative and property matters will keep you on the edge during this period. Careful about your eyes and ears during this period

    Nov-Dec 2008 – Much better. Earnings will improve, things would be better at work, family members health issues goes away, a lot of new people comes into your social circle during this period and everything is looking positive here.

    Jan 2009 – Next three months are excellent as well. You will be confident and will enjoy a great leap forward finalising a business deal or finishing a course etc. Just keep an eye on your spouse’s health though.

    That’s all for now – I have been digging the side garden all day for a DIY project of mine, and at this stage each keystroke is truly painful..! I will come to Bumblebeegirl torrow.

    Blisterman, let me know what you make of all of these jiggery-pokery!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Skeptic_Desu


    In the interest of the experiment, could I ask anyone who has gotten a reading look over other peoples readings.
    Can they be applied to yourself as well as the one meant for you?
    To be honest most of the readings on this thread I could apply quite accurately to myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    positron wrote: »
    Beaushalloe, thanks a lot for the feedback – very interesting indeed! It all pointed so much towards various chemicals, laboratory type of things – are you in anyway closer to anything like that? Like a chemist or lab tech or well, chef even? Or could be something that you take? Of course, please ignore this question if you are not comfortable sharing it – its totally okay! Thanks again for the feedback – absolutely essential to keep the ‘experiment’ going! :)

    ‘???’, fair enough then. I guess that’s 0 in a scale of 1 to 10. Oh wait, you are only 18, you will grow into a lot of these descriptions! Come back to this thread when you turn 32! I am only joking! :D:D

    LCDeelite, Thaedydal, I thought I mentioned it before, its Vedic astrology.

    Now, Blisterman, in no particular order…

    According to your horoscope, you will be an active person wth genuine, versatile and kind disposition. You will be good at theoretical / analytical science, technology / engineering, and will have skilful hands, and you are probably into the field of medicine and hygiene. You will be particular about your diet and clothing. You are quick and alert. You will be overly systematic and methodical. You notice minute details and tend to be very precise.

    Full forehead, long hair swept back and inclined to baldness on top of the head. Grey/Blue eyes, straight nose and wide shoulders.

    Your health issues are mostly around upper body area – shoulders, arms, hands and even the nervous system. Potential problems like asthma, chest disorders, frequent colds or flu, spondylitis etc. Work related stress is another threat. However, on a larger scheme of things, you will be very healthy and fit throughout your life. You will have a long life.

    You would have good level of education. Bachelor’s degree or Masters even – or a Bachelor’s with a further diploma – in analytical or physical sciences. You could even be a physician or a surgeon (reading together good education, skilful hands etc, or even a programmer? IT? Software Engineer?). You are versatile and will succeed in service sector or on own business.

    Your marriage life would be the best possible kind one can expect. You will have similar likes, dislikes, hopes and aspirations and you will consider each other dearer than own life and your relationship will last forever.

    Specific to this year:

    June-July 2008 – Excellent position, except for health matters. Work responsibilities might go up, along with the income. Health of your relatives might be of some concern.

    Aug-Sep 2008 – Unfortunate position. Skin conditions, income squeeze and excessive expenditure.

    Oct 2008 – Mixed. While work situation improves, health of a relative and property matters will keep you on the edge during this period. Careful about your eyes and ears during this period

    Nov-Dec 2008 – Much better. Earnings will improve, things would be better at work, family members health issues goes away, a lot of new people comes into your social circle during this period and everything is looking positive here.

    Jan 2009 – Next three months are excellent as well. You will be confident and will enjoy a great leap forward finalising a business deal or finishing a course etc. Just keep an eye on your spouse’s health though.

    That’s all for now – I have been digging the side garden all day for a DIY project of mine, and at this stage each keystroke is truly painful..! I will come to Bumblebeegirl torrow.

    Blisterman, let me know what you make of all of these jiggery-pokery!

    Sorry Positron, not too many hits there, although ???'s reading, would be fairly spot on for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,430 ✭✭✭positron


    Skeptic_Desu, I was going to ask everyone to do that once we ten or so cases. Ah well...! Also, interesting you said that most of the readings matches you - well, that's a lot of heath issues you are having to put up with!! :D

    Blisterman, when you said 'not too many hits', could you please give us some idea how many did / how many didn't etc?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    Well, I have a BA and am planning on getting a postgrad diploma, in Architecture however.
    And I suppose, I am particular with my diet and clothing.
    But most of the rest is wrong.


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