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An Astrology Experiment!

  • 16-07-2008 04:05PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭


    Hi! First time to this part part of boards.ie, so please do be kind! :)

    Now, anyone want to take part an Astrology experiment here? I have some interest in the fact that so many people that I know follow astrology / astrologers / charts / horoscopes etc and I always wondered what aspect of human nature causes people to take astrology seriously. Why would a rational person think of it as pseudo-science / power of suggestion etc etc!

    Anyway, lets think of this as a fun experiment. I want someone here to volunteer to be the subject of the experiment. I guess he / she should post her exact time and date of birth and location (closest town etc), that's all. Don't even want the name. (This is no identity theft attempt. :D ).

    I will then take that information, and come up with ""predictions"" or ""observations"" or ""things I can figure out"". And if the subject can then comment on the quality of the stuff that I figure out - I guess that would be, fun, if nothing else.

    Now, please step forward only and only if you are confident that you wouldn't fall for the usual things like 'power of suggestion' etc - that is, if I say 'next month is bad for you, careful with automobiles', I don't want you to panic and crash next time when you are out or anything like that. So, at your own risk! Also, I wouldn't be able to answer questions like "when is a good time?" or "someone I know is not well, what will happen?" etc. I am not a psychic, heck I am not an astrologer either. I am just someone who is curious! :)

    Should be fun, right?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    Count me in!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭positron


    Well, I was thinking of doing it here - so yeah, please do post me your time and date of birth and place of birth to the nearest town! And oh, I need to know if you are male / female as well - forgot to mention that earlier.

    Name: ???
    Time of Birth:
    Date of Birth:
    Place of Birth:
    Sex: M/F


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    Name: Harry
    TOB: 05:20
    DOB: 05-02
    POB: Dublin
    Sex: M

    Are you using 'real astrology' or cold reading?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭positron


    To be honest with you, I don't know the difference between those two!

    Meanwhile I need the year in date of birth. And I don't really need the name. Boards id is sufficient.

    Name: boards id
    Time of Birth:
    Date of Birth: dd-mm-yyyy
    Place of Birth: nearest town (or long/latts)
    Sex: M/F

    Thanks!


    PS: Edit - wikipedia explaied what 'cold reading' is. No, this is a bit more scientific than that! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    You care to go into more details of how it is scientific?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭positron


    I take that back - is astrology ever a science? Probably not. I meant I am following this system of working out things based on planetary positions at the time of birth, and the influence of proximity of certain planets at certain stages of a person's life. Can you call that science? I don't know!

    Now, please stop taking me too seriously and give me the year of your birth will you? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Are you going to do a natal chart work up or a coming month work up ?
    Will you be including all the houses ?
    Will you be including Pluto ?
    Will you be including comets ?
    How many conjunctions will you be looking at ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    Astronomy is always scientific. Astrology isn't. It's 1990.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭positron


    Thanks, and sorry about the typo! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    The calculations as to were exactly the planets are/were are scientific but the corespondences placed on them and the different houses are not.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭hiorta


    Here you go, positron, pick the bones from this lot.
    Name: ???
    Time of Birth: 01.27 (AM)
    Date of Birth: 02.02.1935
    Place of Birth: Glasgow
    Sex: M


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭LCDeelite


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Are you going to do a natal chart work up or a coming month work up ?
    Will you be including all the houses ?
    Will you be including Pluto ?
    Will you be including comets ?
    How many conjunctions will you be looking at ?


    Try a natal chart first and then an horary one. One at a time.

    Why wouldn't you include all the houses?? That's like asking, "Will you be including all the signs?" Even if the person doesn't have a planet or one of the main asteroids (Chiron, Ceres, Juno, Vesta, Pallas Athena) in a house, that house cusp's sign and thus, its ruler, will rule that particular area of life for the person. You will only know by looking at everything in its entirety..

    Pluto should be included if there is a stellium in Scorpio, Scorpio is rising, or if it is found (by using an accurate birth time), to be angular, involved in a major configuaration, or making important aspects to the luminaries or inner personal planets.

    I don't see the relevance of comets in interpretation.. Some people seem to be very into taking into account The Galactic Center when looking at charts. For instance, if someone has a luminary or a personal planet in the latter degrees of Gemini (approx. 26 degrees), it can have more importance and influence. Paul McCartney, Salman Rushdie, and Venus Williams all fall into this camp..

    Wouldn't you just look at the amount of conjunctions there right in front of your eyes?? "How many"?? That doesn't make any sense to me, I'm afraid.

    I reckon you should include the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto along with the 12 houses (taking particular note of the 1st house/ascendant- its chart ruler and all, you know??). Then weigh up elementary and modality emphasis to ascertain the person's fundamental approach to life (also include the ascendant sign with that, seeing as that really is the 'filter' through which all life experience is processed).

    Note any configurations, groups of planets in signs and/or houses (revealing a life area to be emphasised through the 'colouring' of planets found in that particular house), or any planets in mutual reception. Anything in mutual reception will be especially noteworthy if either planet is personalised or if both planets in mutual reception aspect each other. If the natal chart doesn't appear to reveal much, look at the chart in harmonics 3-7. Look at the most elevated planet in the chart as well- that usually has a sh1tload of influence in people's lives, e.g. Jim Morrison's Neptune was elevated and he is among the many who indirectly sorted out a nice, secure pension plan for good ol' Betty Ford. :p

    Anyway, you no doubt have your own way of doing all of this. I'm sure there is a load I have forgotten to mention on top of all that anyway.. D'Oh! The best overall (unwanted) advice I can give you is to look at the entire thing and see if there's anything that seems to jump out at you. There usually always is, and it isn't for nothing either..

    I'll be interested to see how adeptly you can nail this one for the person.. It'll be fun at the very least anyway. Good luck! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭LCDeelite


    positron wrote: »
    Hi! First time to this part part of boards.ie, so please do be kind! :)


    By the way, WELCOME to the forum. Good to have ya here. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭positron


    hiorta wrote: »
    Time of Birth: 01.27 (AM)
    Date of Birth: 02.02.1935
    Place of Birth: Glasgow
    Sex: M

    Right, here goes my (non-existent) reputation! :D

    Hiorta, as you know, I can't make any educated, intelligent guesses here, or tweak what I am saying based on your feedback or posture etc as I can't see you (could also be because I am not all that intelligent... hmm.. :o ). Anyway, I am just going to put a few general statements there, and tell me I get at least some of them correct. I don't know the stats, but I suppose if I get half right and half wrong, that's probably just pot luck and unimpressive. Lets see.

    Feb-Mar '08.

    Good period in general. New ventures, financial benefit from real estate etc, good result in legal disputes if you had any. Might have lost money if you were involved in any speculation / gamble etc. Some relatives might have had health issues during this period?

    Mar-Apr '08 might have been even better. Unexpected income, even if its minor? Some celebration in the family, may be related to your children or grand children? Again, some ailments to some of your relatives.

    May-July 08 - again, good period. Popular, happy, satisfied and proud in general, and especially about children or grand children.

    Aug-Sep 08 - Good and bad. Careful about minor ailments and don't neglect them as if you do (common sense) they *could* get complicated later. Minor issues at home / wife / partner.

    Sep-Nov 08 - Again, a decent period for you. Your acquired knowledge / expertise might be called up on. New deals, journeys (holidays probably). More influential and more satisfied in general.

    Dec 08 - Jan 09 - Excellent time again. Joy and proud of the family, prosperity, success in all endeavors, and over all excellent period.

    Over all, not a bad year!

    There, done! :o:o:o:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭positron


    Thaedydal, LCDeelite - I am not ignoring your questions, I just don't know the answers tbh! The astrology I know of is in a different language and a lot of the technical terms are just words to me and I don't know enough to explain it here. Anyway, we might not have to, depending on what hiorta comes back with! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    And me?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭hiorta


    Hi positron.
    Nothing very specific, but there is nothing specific! Apart from being involved in a coming charitable mediumistc meeting at Ayr on November 30th.

    I have been an active Spiritual Healer for some 30 years and founded a Spiritualist Church in 1995, which I have now moved on from.

    The family is spread over three countries and the 'no news is good news' understanding applies.

    Life is smooth, powerful, rewarding and satisfying. I have no wants and few needs, so I'd agree with your reading.

    Well done. Keep going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭positron


    ???, apologies for not replying to you yesterday, can I come back to you once we finish hiorta's?

    hiorta, you are right - I didn't really mention anything specific so that you can comment on the accuracy. But glad to know I didn't get anything massively wrong either! May be that's how astrology works, who knows? And here's some more..


    Personality-wise, you are usually of good judgement and quick inllect, but slighly disordered. You will have few enemies - mostly jealouse people. You would be inclined to philosophy and religion ideas, (but I guess you already told me that).

    Are you tall & upright? Elongagted face, rounded forehead, grey/blue eyes (now, again, born in Glasgow in 19somethings, this is an easy guess I suppose...)

    You work too hard and you could have issues related to your blood (poor circulation, blood pressure, varicose veins, palpitations, ruptures, swellings - nothing inherited though). Your eyesight will remain decent.

    Did you take Masters, or an equivalent professional diploma? You are versatile and will be successfull in service and business of your own. In fact, you might have started off working in service sector and then moved on to running your own business (You already told me enough to give me clues to this I suppose).

    Did you get married young / early?

    You have traveled a lot, and likes it too, for both pleasure and business.

    Okay, how did I do? :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭mossieh


    LCDeelite wrote: »


    Try a natal chart first and then an horary one. One at a time.

    Why wouldn't you include all the houses?? That's like asking, "Will you be including all the signs?" Even if the person doesn't have a planet or one of the main asteroids (Chiron, Ceres, Juno, Vesta, Pallas Athena) in a house, that house cusp's sign and thus, its ruler, will rule that particular area of life for the person. You will only know by looking at everything in its entirety..
    Pluto should be included if there is a stellium in Scorpio, Scorpio is rising, or if it is found (by using an accurate birth time), to be angular, involved in a major configuaration, or making important aspects to the luminaries or inner personal planets.

    I don't see the relevance of comets in interpretation.. Some people seem to be very into taking into account The Galactic Center when looking at charts. For instance, if someone has a luminary or a personal planet in the latter degrees of Gemini (approx. 26 degrees), it can have more importance and influence. Paul McCartney, Salman Rushdie, and Venus Williams all fall into this camp..

    Wouldn't you just look at the amount of conjunctions there right in front of your eyes?? "How many"?? That doesn't make any sense to me, I'm afraid.

    I reckon you should include the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto along with the 12 houses (taking particular note of the 1st house/ascendant- its chart ruler and all, you know??). Then weigh up elementary and modality emphasis to ascertain the person's fundamental approach to life (also include the ascendant sign with that, seeing as that really is the 'filter' through which all life experience is processed).

    Note any configurations, groups of planets in signs and/or houses (revealing a life area to be emphasised through the 'colouring' of planets found in that particular house), or any planets in mutual reception. Anything in mutual reception will be especially noteworthy if either planet is personalised or if both planets in mutual reception aspect each other. If the natal chart doesn't appear to reveal much, look at the chart in harmonics 3-7. Look at the most elevated planet in the chart as well- that usually has a sh1tload of influence in people's lives, e.g. Jim Morrison's Neptune was elevated and he is among the many who indirectly sorted out a nice, secure pension plan for good ol' Betty Ford. :p

    Anyway, you no doubt have your own way of doing all of this. I'm sure there is a load I have forgotten to mention on top of all that anyway.. D'Oh! The best overall (unwanted) advice I can give you is to look at the entire thing and see if there's anything that seems to jump out at you. There usually always is, and it isn't for nothing either..

    I'll be interested to see how adeptly you can nail this one for the person.. It'll be fun at the very least anyway. Good luck! :D

    I've never seen someone lay an astrological smackdown before, I like it.

    Sounds like you're out of your depth here Thaedydal.

    Sometimes I find myself dumbfounded by the amount of time and energy you guys put into this stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,044 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    positron wrote: »
    The astrology I know of is in a different language and a lot of the technical terms are just words to me and I don't know enough to explain it here.

    How strange, care to elaborate ?

    I'm not out of my depth I was asking some very basic questions of positron to guage his grasp and knowledge levels.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Mossieh if your only intention on this forum is to troll, please take it somewhere else


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭hiorta


    Personality-wise, you are usually of good judgement and quick inllect, but slighly disordered. You will have few enemies - mostly jealouse people. You would be inclined to philosophy and religion ideas, (but I guess you already told me that).

    Aye to all.

    Are you tall & upright? Elongagted face, rounded forehead, grey/blue eyes (now, again, born in Glasgow in 19somethings, this is an easy guess I suppose...)

    Last time I looked this was so

    You work too hard and you could have issues related to your blood (poor circulation, blood pressure, varicose veins, palpitations, ruptures, swellings - nothing inherited though). Your eyesight will remain decent.

    Aye again plus coronary artery by-pass

    Did you take Masters, or an equivalent professional diploma? You are versatile and will be successfull in service and business of your own. In fact, you might have started off working in service sector and then moved on to running your own business (You already told me enough to give me clues to this I suppose).

    Aye again. 43 years in Service industry, last 22 self employed and self-taught

    Did you get married young / early?

    No.

    You have travelled a lot, and liked it too, for both pleasure and business.

    Again, full marks

    Okay, how did I do?

    Very well


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭LCDeelite


    ??? wrote: »
    Name: Harry
    TOB: 05:20
    DOB: 05-02
    POB: Dublin
    Sex: M

    Are you using 'real astrology' or cold reading?


    Is that supposed to be a joke or what? :confused:

    How can you 'cold read' someone you can't even see???.... I imagine you bloody can't!! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭LCDeelite


    Well done, Positron. You did a great job- Hiorta seems very pleased. Cool. :cool:

    Jesus, don't take any notice of my never-ending stream of 'technical' jargon back there! :pac: In any case, you'll either endeavour 2 know what you're interested in knowing regarding the subject, or what you need to know (if you're taking the thing kinda seriously). It's a personal thing- everyone approaches things differently.

    And stop that self-deprecating attitude where you're diminishing your achievement in acquiring the present bank of knowledge you have!! :o Take it easy on yourself- and don't 'compare' yourself 2 'know-it-all'-sounding dingbats like myself who drop out of the paranormal forum 'sky' (!) ranting on about God-knows-what like a mad thing! When I get passionate about a topic, I'm inclined to wax lyrical 2 the hilt. :eek: Plus, I've been following this stuff since I was 9 (older sister had loadsa books on it&I'd get bored during school summer hols at times). I was a weirdo of a child!! :pac: I should have been reading bloody Roald Dahl or JK Rowling!

    It'd be [EMAIL="cr@p"]cr@p[/EMAIL] if we knew EVERYTHING about something- what would there be left 2 explore then? The excitement and anticipation would be dead&gone! There are LOADS of things about this subject of which I still know f*ck all! :D But I like that- it keeps things interesting.

    At the risk of sounding like goddamn Deepak Chopra or the Dalai Lama now..! :o When looking ahead to your final 'destination', don't lose sight of the enriching 'journey' in getting there, Positron! :P

    :) Keep up the great work. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭???


    LCDeelite wrote: »


    Is that supposed to be a joke or what? :confused:

    How can you 'cold read' someone you can't even see???.... I imagine you bloody can't!! :rolleyes:

    It's quite simple really. You just have to use a lot of Barnum statements and rainbow ruses. And yes I can and have.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭beaushalloe


    well done positron looks like your astrology experiment turned out well. its somthing i know nothing about, and thyaedydals post scared the bejesus out of me!! (only joking)
    if you feel like going again my details are below.

    Name: Beaushalloe
    Time of Birth: 6.40am
    Date Of Birth: 14/3/74
    Place Of Birth:Waterford
    Sex:F


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭positron


    Thaedydal, I totally understand, and respect your questions. I guess its easier if I tell you straight out that I don't know much, because that in fact is the truth. A few books that I read on the topic is in an Indian langauage, and I suppose its more vedic than western. I could tell you words like 'ganam' (type/race), 'apaharam' (influence), 'kaal' (bad influence), 'dhristi' (view), 'adhipan' (owner) etc. I am not entirely comfortable with them myself, and I know zilch about Western astrology - I am NOT going to attempt to translate something that I don't fully understand, into something that I don't understand at all! Believe me, you don't want me to! :D

    LCDeelite, thanks a million for the nice words and advice. You are totally right, journey is just as important as the destination! On the comment on 'self-depreciating attitude', by the end of the thread (after analysing a few more cases) I will explain my background, what got me interested in this, and what I am hoping from this experiment. I have a feeling that I might surprise a few here. Anyway, for the sake of the sanity of the term 'experiment', I am going to keep my mind clean and leave this thread to play out itself. Jeez, now I sound like I need to see Deepak Chopra and the like! :D

    beashalloe, thanks for volunteering! Can I come to you after "???"? (sorry, thats too many question marks!!)

    hiorta, thanks a million for the feedback. Its really interesting and as I said earlier, lets keep it aside now as a result and hopefully make sense when we have a few more cases discussed. On the other hand, its really lovely to know some aspects of the real human experience behind just a username! Thanks for sharing it with us!

    Thanks again everyone, and especially hiorta!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,445 ✭✭✭positron


    Okay, now '???'.

    Feb 2008

    Decent month. *May be* income from unexpected sources? New friendships, and you might get a new gadget / or something which will make you happy. Might have had minor issues with your mother's health?

    Mar-Apr 2008

    Mixed kinda period for you. Lucky in romance, but your high impulsiveness might have caused few issues? And more gadgets may be?

    May- 1st week of June 2008

    Good times again. You will do well in your academic pursuits during this period, and will be even more popular. You might find yourself really supercharged / energic, and no issues at home to worry about!

    rest of June - July 2008

    Not too good - especially minor health issues, and as always, never ignore them! You might feel a bit stuck or helpless on certain issues and someone might come across as very difficult to please? Solution is probably to back off a bit and work with them, or else you might end up having to change certain things, look elsewhere etc.

    Aug - Sep 2008

    Ah the future! Its good! Your skill and knowledge will come handy. Colleagues / coworkers might annoy you a bit during this period, but you will be fine. Watch what you eat / drink in this period. You may even be considering a chance travel, or may be even to move to another country for a while? (commonsense guesses - Australia? US?)

    Whatever it is, it might be around end of Sep, early Oct - minor issues, slight heartaches around that time...!

    Oct - Dec 2008

    Rest of the year is fab. New ventures will work out well for you, on almost everything, including girls! You will learn a lot - academic or not! If your travels are work related, that will go well too.

    Jan 2009

    Isn't all that good now. Issues at work, and some minor disagreements with your mother or her side of the family. Stay cool and be very tactful during this period. Resist temptations and speculations and they wouldn't work in your favour! Again, stay cool, stay focused and look at the bigger picture.

    So, there you go! Feel free to be brutally honest! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,513 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    I'll give it a go.

    DOB: 16/06/1986 11:45pm
    Place of Birth: Dublin
    Sex: Male.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭BumblebeeGirl


    Im really interested in this stuff please read me! :)


    DOB: 26/06/85
    TOB: 10AM
    Place: Dublin
    SEX: Female


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