East End Hotel

Gareth28

"boards.ie isn't the place to voice complaints like so."

Last edited by kaimera; 08-07-2008 at 09:36. Reason: updated after consultation

1.why isnt it? there are many issues and complaints raised

2.Why was thread closed?

3.I imagine the people of Portarlington would like too dicuss this issue openingly and in a democratic way.

4.What is the whole point of your website if you cant?

undecided

hi gareth, could be that you named the hotel?? only thing I can think of!

.....or maybe Kaimera just got out of bed on the wrong side that day:P

As for the hotel doesnt really affect me, but can understand your frustation!

stevoman

well i know i would'nt go into the spot to drink or eat unless i was being paid ( quite a lot aswell).

id get a take away from jimmy's though the odd time, but i wouldnt class that the hotel!

Curvy Vixen

Dunno what this thread started out about....but I have to say that we had the carvery food there on Sunday...and we won't be back!!!

And as for Leg-Ends, well there's a whole new thread about that!

Gareth28

ORIGINAL THREAD THAT WAS CLOSED WITHOUT A VALID REASON

To whom it concerns,

I would like to make a complaint regarding The East End Hotel, Portarlington, Co.Laois.
The noise decibel levels are far too high and the hotel is far too close to the proximity of nearby houses for a night club to be blaring music to all hours in the morning 2 - 3 am, every Friday and Saturday night.
I live a few hundred yards from the hotel and I can still hear it loud and clear from my bedroom.
There are other houses even nearer, how they are sleep every Friday/Saturday night must be a miracle.
Could this matter be investigate please. It is an absolute disgrace and I don't see why the residents of Portarlington have to put up with this.
Your Sincerely,

Gareth

kaimera

You were't discussing it.

You posted up a letter you say you sent and that was it. Thats not how discussion starts...

Gareth28

Correct... once again.... nothing wrong with that... and i left it open for discussion as it is a major issue with residents within portarlington and close proximiety to the hotel...

stevoman

Gareth28 wrote: »

ORIGINAL THREAD THAT WAS CLOSED WITHOUT A VALID REASON

To whom it concerns,

I would like to make a complaint regarding The East End Hotel, Portarlington, Co.Laois.
The noise decibel levels are far too high and the hotel is far too close to the proximity of nearby houses for a night club to be blaring music to all hours in the morning 2 - 3 am, every Friday and Saturday night.
I live a few hundred yards from the hotel and I can still hear it loud and clear from my bedroom.
There are other houses even nearer, how they are sleep every Friday/Saturday night must be a miracle.
Could this matter be investigate please. It is an absolute disgrace and I don't see why the residents of Portarlington have to put up with this.
Your Sincerely,

Gareth

Doubt you will get much joy to be honest gareth. The hotel has been running a nightclub there for as long as i can remember my 26 years in portarlington.

I dont even think the residents of the estate behind the hotel even give much cause to it anymore, nor have the ever really i dont think.

Steve_o

Gareth28 wrote: »

ORIGINAL THREAD THAT WAS CLOSED WITHOUT A VALID REASON

To whom it concerns,

I would like to make a complaint regarding The East End Hotel, Portarlington, Co.Laois.
The noise decibel levels are far too high and the hotel is far too close to the proximity of nearby houses for a night club to be blaring music to all hours in the morning 2 - 3 am, every Friday and Saturday night.
I live a few hundred yards from the hotel and I can still hear it loud and clear from my bedroom.
There are other houses even nearer, how they are sleep every Friday/Saturday night must be a miracle.
Could this matter be investigate please. It is an absolute disgrace and I don't see why the residents of Portarlington have to put up with this.
Your Sincerely,

Gareth

Kaimera is right, what do you want us to do about it?? No point discussing it here tbh, nothing constructive will become of it.

Address your complaints to the East End Hotel management.

Also, I grew up in the centre of Portarlington and I know alot of people who live in Orchard Drive (behind the hotel) and it doesn't bother them nor did it bother em so i hardly think its a MAJOR issue in fairness.

Silent Rain

Everybody chill. This IS the place to complain bout stuff like this. Dont think you're gonna have any luck with getting anything done though Gareth. I recently bought a house close enough to the back of the hotel so that I too hear the music late on friday & saturday nights, but I knew it was gonna be like that when I bought the place and even though you can hear it, it not deafening. The people in Orchard Drive did complain about this years ago and got nowhere, they're pretty good at complaining ( I'm fairly certain its their fault I dont have a rear facing window in my kitchen). Anyway, reckon you're gonna have to stick it.... and pray to god they never start having late night discos during the week.

Gareth28

Stevo,

If your going to reply... try not to be blatantly biased to a certain person.
AND i dont want YOU to do anything. If you dont have an opinion other than "shut up and want can we do about it" attitude why bother even replying AND since i posted it, i was hoping for something constructive to come out of it.

Thanks Silent Rain, im glad logic is finally coming through to the surface, that the fact were on a discussion board, we can actually DISCUSS issues in our local area's. Boards.ie should realise this. I dont think they can be taken to court over this particular issue.


This IS an issue and as Silent Rain correctly pointed out, the residents have had meetings with local TD's and the owner of the place and he was suppose to sound proof the nightclub......

So i would like the thread left open for further disscussion,

G.

kaimera

again, your original post did not invite discussion.

You simply posted up your letter and invited others to email and complain as well. You assumed others here have the same problem.

What you'd 'like' is irrelevant Gareth.

Curvy Vixen

Could be a good venue for a wedding reception

stevoman

Gareth28 wrote: »

Stevo,

If your going to reply... try not to be blatantly biased to a certain person.
AND i dont want YOU to do anything. If you dont have an opinion other than "shut up and want can we do about it" attitude why bother even replying AND since i posted it, i was hoping for something constructive to come out of it.

rant renaked!

Ruby-J

um, i think he was referring to stevo not you stevoman.

Ruby-J

Curvy Vixen wrote: »

Could be a good venue for a wedding reception

lol curvy!

Steve_o

Gareth you didn't post anything to discuss you posted a letter of complaint, there is a difference between discussing and complaining.

undecided

Steve_o wrote: »

Kaimera is right, what do you want us to do about it?? No point discussing it here tbh, nothing constructive will become of it.

Address your complaints to the East End Hotel management.

Also, I grew up in the centre of Portarlington and I know alot of people who live in Orchard Drive (behind the hotel) and it doesn't bother them nor did it bother em so i hardly think its a MAJOR issue in fairness.

bit strongly put stev o do ye not think? The phrase clicky springs to mind;)

Gareth28

Holy Jaysus.....

Listen... I posted my complaint as a start up for the discussion that i thought people would relate too.

I live in Portarlington and i know people do have an issue with the hotel's noise level.

I did not expect knock down's and negativity.

I am not here to argue with people or egotistical admins.

Just thought id start a known issue online with people in the local area, where we could discuss the issue and YES, get something constructive happening. That was all. It has gone way off topic.

I still think its a thread that should have been left open and not closed, regardless if it is a complaint or a discussion. I have seen numerous COMPLAINT threads on boards.ie , so why now are people getting technical and splitting against a complaint and a discussion. I would put the two hand in hand myself and try and bring something positive out of it and to Portarlington.

I have gone to my local TD and County Council and NO im going no were near the hotel management. Thats a cul-de-sac!

G.

stan1979

i'm based up in lansdowne and can hear the music fairly cleary if i am out the front of the house at night having a smoke, i just wish they would play some decent music instead:). i can understand garreths point though on the decibal level, unless your living in the estate behind it people probably wont understand how loud or annonying it can be,

stan

kmart6

undecided wrote:

bit strongly put stev o do ye not think? The phrase clicky springs to mind

Have to disagree with you there! He's right that the letter should be addressed to the hotel and posting here won't achieve anything

Gareth28 wrote: »

I live in Portarlington and i know people do have an issue with the hotel's noise level.

There's never been a major issue made of it in 10+ years so I don't think a thread on boards is going to change that

Gareth28 wrote: »

I did not expect knock down's and negativity.

Why?! It's a public forum, people are not going to agree with everything you say!!

Gareth28 wrote: »

I am not here to argue with people or egotistical admins.

Instead your here to complain which idn't going to acheive anything!

Gareth28 wrote: »

Just thought id start a known issue online with people in the local area, where we could discuss the issue and YES, get something constructive happening. That was all. It has gone way off topic.

Majority people here avoid the Hotel like the plag, and by the reaction of people it doesn't seem to affect any of them!

Gareth28 wrote: »

I still think its a thread that should have been left open and not closed, regardless if it is a complaint or a discussion. I have seen numerous COMPLAINT threads on boards.ie , so why now are people getting technical and splitting against a complaint and a discussion. I would put the two hand in hand myself and try and bring something positive out of it and to Portarlington.

Because in other threads where people are complaining they don't put there name and address in the post, or post a letter to an establishment on an internet forum that has nothing to do with.

Gareth28 wrote: »

I have gone to my local TD and County Council

Refer to my 1st point

Steve_o

Try reading this it may or may not be of use to you...

Noise Regulations in Ireland

Particularly look at section 19.

Gareth28

Thanks Kamart... But i disagree with all your points and some of them are factually incorrect. Your a bit too shallow minded for me to fully reply to you.

Thanks Stevo. Interesting reading.

SO.... Am i right in saying that the people here on forum who live in Portarlington actually dont have any issue with the noise level of the hotel? and i am the only person in Portarlington that does?

I find that amazing to believe.

Ruby-J

to be honest it doesn't really affect me as i live in behind a good few rows of houses so i dont tend to hear any of it.

but the fun fair last weekend on the other hand! i could hear that right up until it finished EVERY night!

connundrum

Gareth28 wrote: »

SO.... Am i right in saying that the people here on forum who live in Portarlington actually dont have any issue with the noise level of the hotel? and i am the only person in Portarlington that does?

I find that amazing to believe.

You've asked two different questions here. It may be the case that you're the only person from Portarlington ~ who uses this website ~ who has a problem with the noise.

There may be others who don't use this site suffering with a similar issue.

I'd suggest querying the thoughts of neighbours and trying to form some sort of an action group. Following the steps set out in Steve O's link Noise Regulations in Ireland is to be advised.

Posting an open letter on a privately owned site like boards.ie is not to be advised. Someone could see your letter as being libellous, and could therefore take action against boards.ie.

I presume that the East End Hotel would take issue with claims that music continues to play until 3am, which would mean that the nightclub is continuing to operate until that time, which would be in contravention of it's licence.

kmart6

Gareth28 wrote: »

Your a bit too shallow minded for me to fully reply to you.

Goin to explain how I'm shallow

Gareth28 wrote: »

Am i right in saying that the people here on forum who live in Portarlington actually dont have any issue with the noise level of the hotel? and i am the only person in Portarlington that does?

I find that amazing to believe.

I think there's a core of 10-12 people who post here from Port, and Ruby-J has just said it doesn't affect her, me and Steve are no longer near it...so that's 3 gone already!

Just cause people post here doesn't mean they represent the whole town!

smokestone

Have you looked into the law on public/private nuisance. Does the licence of a pub/hotel have to be renewed every year?

genie_us

why are people bitching at eachother!!

OP, as far as I know if your estate or area is in a Neighborhood watch committee then this type of thing can be looked at through them. I'm pretty sure each committee has a local guard sort of assigned to them so as a group you could make a complaint to that guard and see how that goes?

Curvy Vixen

I couldn't hear anything ~ no funfair, no hotel, no anything.....except the fecking barking dogs but that's another story!

So in answer to your question, yes I live in Port and no none of these noises bother me..

sydthebeat

The nightclub in the hotel has been in existance for more than 25 years i think. It has to have its licence renewed every so often and AFAIK there has never been an issue with noise pollution.

I dont know the legal ins and outs but i would consider the fact that the nightclub existed long before many of the nearby new housing esttes, namely kilnacourt and whitefields, that its become an established feature.

If you are having problems hearing it from you bedroom a few hundred yards away i would seriously question the noise reduction capacity of the construction of your house elements, ie walls and windows. If its a fairly new house it has to comply with noise regulations.
Perhaps you should look into this?

Steve_o

sydthebeat wrote: »

If you are having problems hearing it from you bedroom a few hundred yards away i would seriously question the noise reduction capacity of the construction of your house elements, ie walls and windows. If its a fairly new house it has to comply with noise regulations.
Perhaps you should look into this?

This could be a cause alright, It honestly never bothered me when I lived in town.

DéiseGirl

I live in Castlegate and while I've noticed the noise from the club when I'm walking into the front of the estate, I don't notice it at my house (which is not that far from it!)

I actually like the food there (though I'd tend to get things like lasagne + chips, burger + chips etc because I hate hate hate "carvery" type dinners).

Steve_o

DéiseGirl wrote: »

I live in Castlegate and while I've noticed the noise from the club when I'm walking into the front of the estate, I don't notice it at my house (which is not that far from it!)

I actually like the food there (though I'd tend to get things like lasagne + chips, burger + chips etc because I hate hate hate "carvery" type dinners).

How how how can you hate hate hate carvery dinners?? They are AWESOME!!!

undecided

well if ye eat them in the east end might turn you off for life once bitten twice shy n all that!:D

DéiseGirl

Steve_o wrote: »

How how how can you hate hate hate carvery dinners?? They are AWESOME!!!

Very easily!!!!

Urgh, even the thought of them is making me a bit queasy now so I need to step away from this thread

kaimera

sorry guys, last number of posts aren't suited to this particular thread; deleted as wayy off topic to the OP

Steve_o

kaimera wrote: »

sorry guys, last number of posts aren't suited to this particular thread; deleted as wayy off topic to the OP

*Bows to the Mod*...

Ruby-J

Steve_o wrote: »

*Bows to the Mod*...

lick arse!!! :rolleyes:

kaimera

I dont mind the way most threads go OT here or whatever but if it's a legit concern to the OP I'd like to keep it clean-ish

Ruby-J

ok boss. apologies.

undecided

Ruby-J wrote: »

lick arse!!! :rolleyes:

Ruby-J wrote: »

ok boss. apologies.

POT KETTLE BLACK!!!!;):D

Gareth28

Hi all... im back....

My methods of causing controversy has out done itself. It may have been non PC to post a letter of my complaint but it certainly got a discussion going,hence the point of the site. I do understand its a privately owned site but i have only spoken facts in my letter of complaint, i have not made anything up! As i said it was just a start up for discussion and to see if anyone less was going through the same.

I have noticed a lot of negativity/bitchiness to my thread, why?
Whatever about the Mods knocking me, why would people not come back with positive responses instead of PC negative responses. I have gone down everyone avenue and i thought it would be a good discussion to bring up. Maybe that's another thread i should start!

Ive spoke to other residents of my estate, the one's nearest to the hotel, so anyone in castlegate over the OTHER side of the estate, will not experience what im/other residents experiencing.

I have spoken to residents from around the town and they have made complaints a few years back and met up with the owner who insured the nightclub would be sound proofed.

Id like to state that i said " 2-3 am" and not specifically "3 am" that the night club is playing this music, I'm sure the hotel is managing the nightclub within its licensing laws but either way the point is missed, i couldn't care less when the nightclub closes, whether it is an half an hour or an hour over its licensing time, my issue is the NOISE.

The hotel may have been playing music like these for years, but i know for a fact that there has been an issue with it for years, from the people who are experiencing the problem, that would be the residents nearest the hotel!

I'd like to thank everyone who responded in a positive manner and not the people who tried to run every thing i said down. I don't have to like or agree with what people say to me and vice versa, people don't have to agree what im saying, hence the beauty of democracy, and WE should be able speak freely and factually about an issue WE have. IF i was just making stories up about the hotel, slap my knuckles, but if i have a genuine problem, which i do, then you would expect that people would understand, some did, some didn't. Some gave good advice, some didn't.

Anyway, Thank you all again,

G.

Steve_o

The link i posted says that you have a right to take this to court, why don't you?? If it bothers you that much and you've spent alot of money on your house etc. then go for it i say!, worst case scenario is nothing changes but at least you've tried!

Gareth28

Well Stevo,

I was thinking ill wait for the Laois county council response first then ill take it from there, ill have a good idea if i have a case then. They could come back and say well there is no issue, which i doubt, but they will help build up my case if indeed it does go to court.

Steve_o

Gareth28 wrote: »

Well Stevo,

I was thinking ill wait for the Laois county council response first then ill take it from there, ill have a good idea if i have a case then. They could come back and say well there is no issue, which i doubt, but they will help build up my case if indeed it does go to court.

Good stuff, just don't be disappointed if your case fails, you wouldn't be the first person to take the hotel to court and as far as I know I don't think anyone has won their case yet...

sydthebeat

I think you may find laois co co will wash their hands of this. especially if it gets legal.

Steve_o

sydthebeat wrote: »

I think you may find laois co co will wash their hands of this. especially if it gets legal.

True this could happen as well.

Silent Rain

Gareth just to point out in reference to the sound proofing whiich is mentioned in your post. The "club" itself might be well insulated, but I think most of the noise you would hear where you are would be from the fire exit doors at the rear. These are left open so that people can gain access to the smoking area (the garden behind the hotel). I believe that even if they agreed to keep these doors closed (possible alarm them) this might reduce the noise levels. (They could exit the main door and use stamps etc. and think there's a gate to the garden at the side, or at least there used to be). Wont make the noise disappear, but would definitely cut it down.

Gareth28

Silent Rain, absolutely correct... this is whats causing the problem... my aim is to reduce the noise level, to any decibel would be nice... bit of common sense and compromise can easily resolve this issue without going to court.

There's no point saying to the residents that he(owner)previously met, and saying yep ill sound proof the night club to reduce the noise THEN opening the exit doors at the back, that defeats the purpose of SOUNDPROOFING and actually makes it worse.

There has to be some solution. Maybe the one you pointed out below.

genie_us

Gareth28 wrote: »

Silent Rain, absolutely correct... this is whats causing the problem... my aim is to reduce the noise level, to any decibel would be nice... bit of common sense and compromise can easily resolve this issue without going to court.

There's no point saying to the residents that he(owner)previously met, and saying yep ill sound proof the night club to reduce the noise THEN opening the exit doors at the back, that defeats the purpose of SOUNDPROOFING and actually makes it worse.

There has to be some solution. Maybe the one you pointed out below.

Is your area within a neighborhood watch group? I still think this would be a good way to go.

Although it might sound like it I promise I don't work for neighbourhood watch

Gareth28

genie_us

Its relatively new estate... so its still in its youth.. as far as im aware there's none, not even a resident association yet either... that's another things Ive to work on!