Good quality creatine brand?And protein supplements.

dacookie

Anyone know good brands for creatine/protein products?Don't care if its a bit expensive just as long as its the best or better quality than most.

Also is there any age restrictions on creatine?

And do I buy it in a health food shop or something yeah?Anyone know a good shop in the Dublin 6 area for the product your recommending me?

Helps very much appreciated, thanks

The Freeman

here ya go dude


http://www.creatine-monohydrate.org/creatine-dosage.htm

how old are ya?



have a look on this page also, it guves examples of good creatines on the mnarket...

http://www.gain-weight-muscle-fast.com/bodybuilding-supplement-guide.html#creatine

DiscoHugh

Meh, I've been on creatine on and off since I was about 15 or 16 and apart from the third testacle not a bother to me

There seems to be a new "revolutionary" creatine product on the market every other week so I wouldnt buy into every boastful ad you see. Plain old monohydrate can be a bit harsh on the digestive system I found so I only use products that come with the dextrose carrier mix. They're also very tasty usually!

As for protein I started taking muscle milk a while back and really noticed good gains.This stuff is extremely tasty so you have to resist the urge to go over board.

I get all my supplements from a U.S. site (don't know if it's against the rules post it here)
They have pretty much every brand/product under the sun, is much cheaper especially with the buff muscular euro giving the puney dollar such a pounding right now...

rabbit hunter

DiscoHugh wrote: »

Meh, I've been on creatine on and off since I was about 15 or 16 and apart from the third testacle not a bother to me

There seems to be a new "revolutionary" creatine product on the market every other week so I wouldnt buy into every boastful ad you see. Plain old monohydrate can be a bit harsh on the digestive system I found so I only use products that come with the dextrose carrier mix. They're also very tasty usually!

As for protein I started taking muscle milk a while back and really noticed good gains.This stuff is extremely tasty so you have to resist the urge to go over board.

I get all my supplements from a U.S. site (don't know if it's against the rules post it here)
They have pretty much every brand/product under the sun, is much cheaper especially with the buff muscular euro giving the puney dollar such a pounding right now...

what is this us site

LegacyUser

Yeah go for it Discohugh, whats the site?

dacookie

The Freeman wrote: »

here ya go dude


http://www.creatine-monohydrate.org/creatine-dosage.htm

how old are ya?



have a look on this page also, it guves examples of good creatines on the mnarket...

http://www.gain-weight-muscle-fast.com/bodybuilding-supplement-guide.html#creatine

Im 16, thanks for the links.

And DiscoHuge if you really don't want to post the link, please pm me it :0

dacookie

The Freeman wrote: »

here ya go dude


http://www.creatine-monohydrate.org/creatine-dosage.htm

how old are ya?



have a look on this page also, it guves examples of good creatines on the mnarket...

http://www.gain-weight-muscle-fast.com/bodybuilding-supplement-guide.html#creatine

Oh and about the first link, after going through these steps for a month are you sure your ment to stop taking creatine because its just a waste and doesn't do anything?And then just do it again after say...I dunno how much time it didn't say.

Edit: Oh an btw does more expensive creatine/protein supplements mean it works better?

Money Shot

dacookie wrote: »

Im 16, thanks for the links.

At 16, I'd do a bit more research before you go wasting your hard earned pocket money on supplements that you may not need.

I'd imagine you could make much more progress by taking a look at your diet and exercise regime.

rubadub

dacookie wrote: »

Edit: Oh an btw does more expensive creatine/protein supplements mean it works better?

No, doesn't mean it is bad either, just doesn't automatically mean it will be good. It is just like anything else really, you end up paying over the odds for advertising & marketing etc, look at beer prices, same ingredients and process for many, but some are twice the price of others.

You have to read the packs to see if it is good value.

I would agree with Money Shot on the pocketmoney thing. I would sooner buy equipment for yourself if you are missing anything.

DiscoHugh

Ok as long as it's not against the rules the site is

bodybuilding.com

Like I said they have every product under the sun. Loads of user reviews and articles etc.

And yes expensive doesn't necessarily mean better. There is a running joke on that website about celltech and their outlandish claims about they're patented formula guaranteed to put on "freaky mass" in a week etc. etc. when really all it is is creatine and sugar

So by all accounts do research. Some supplements work for some and not for others. A bit of trial and error involved.

DiscoHugh

dacookie wrote: »

Oh and about the first link, after going through these steps for a month are you sure your ment to stop taking creatine because its just a waste and doesn't do anything?And then just do it again after say...I dunno how much time it didn't say.

Your body naturally derives and produces creatine. If you take a creatine product for to long you're body will see this and stop producing creatine itself you don't want that to happen that's why you should cycle it in moderation and not on a constant basis

I usually do maybe 8-10 weeks on and a few months off.

COH

DiscoHugh wrote: »

Your body naturally derives and produces creatine. If you take a creatine product for to long you're body will see this and stop producing creatine itself you don't want that to happen that's why you should cycle it in moderation and not on a constant basis.

Assumption or fact?

DiscoHugh

COH wrote: »

Assumption or fact?

When I started taking creatine that's what I was told. Never bothered questioning it as I never intended to do it for more than 8 week cycles. Also I knew a guy that developed kidney stones but he was taking about twice the reccommended dose for about 12 months straight....not very smart. :eek:

g'em

DiscoHugh wrote: »

Your body naturally derives and produces creatine. If you take a creatine product for to long you're body will see this and stop producing creatine itself you don't want that to happen that's why you should cycle it in moderation and not on a constant basis

No, you won't stop making creatine if you start supplementing with it. All that will happen is that your body increases creatine phosphate stores until it reaches a saturation point and it can't store any more - excess creatine is converted to creatinine and gets excreted in the urine. It's though (and not conclusively proven) that the reason cycling may work is that after a period of loading your body will naturally strive towards homeostasis and your original (natural) levels of creatine will be re-established. By periodically taking breaks from dosing you avoid this from happening.

DiscoHugh wrote: »

Also I knew a guy that developed kidney stones but he was taking about twice the reccommended dose for about 12 months straight....not very smart. :eek:

Twice the recommended dose is probably something like 15g-25g per day, which shouldn't be responsible for kidney stones, but it's not impossible. It's thought to be a very rare side effect, and many, many studies are conducted using creatine doses way above and beyond the "recommended dose" without any ill-effects. A history of kidney problems would be a likely contributor in the cases where these things are seen.

dacookie

rubadub wrote: »

No, doesn't mean it is bad either, just doesn't automatically mean it will be good. It is just like anything else really, you end up paying over the odds for advertising & marketing etc, look at beer prices, same ingredients and process for many, but some are twice the price of others.

You have to read the packs to see if it is good value.

I would agree with Money Shot on the pocketmoney thing. I would sooner buy equipment for yourself if you are missing anything.

I go to a very high quality gym so I don't need any equipment.

Ive decided il give the Nutriotion X's products a shot, as I think they sell these in my gym, and maybe il try Muscle Milk aswell.

LegacyUser

Money Shot wrote: »

At 16, I'd do a bit more research before you go wasting your hard earned pocket money on supplements that you may not need.

I'd imagine you could make much more progress by taking a look at your diet and exercise regime.

Dacookie, your only 16. Your best bet is to follow this advice ^

Supplements at your age should do **** all. Your still developing.

To be honest, I hope you think they are useless and start getting your diet nailed as at 16, that's way too young for supplement use...

dacookie

cheesedude wrote: »

Dacookie, your only 16. Your best bet is to follow this advice ^

Supplements at your age should do **** all. Your still developing.

To be honest, I hope you think they are useless and start getting your diet nailed as at 16, that's way too young for supplement use...

Im sorry but I think you are trying to treat me as a kid, im not some fat 12 year old who doesnt have a clue what hes doing and doesnt bother eating any sort of healthy or protein filled food and goes to the gym once a week for an hour.

Ive already looked at my excercise regime, I know what things I want to work on and what machines and within the next week or so I will look at my diet with a professional.I go to the gym around 3/4 t

My diet is much better in my opinion than your average person my age.

LegacyUser

Look, let's get this out of the way right now...to be honest, I could not care less what you do. It's your body and your life, do what you want. Your not my responsibility.

But...if your so determined and clued in, why don't you go get a personal trainer for a few sessions and visit a nutritionist?

What's your sport? Rugby?

http://www.belvederecollege.ie/Rugby/Sports_Supplements__Young_Rugby_Player_03_12_07.doc

Have a read of that.

Money Shot

As Cheesedude says, If you want to waste you're cash, then go for it.

As far as I know (open to correction), the testing on creatine would have been done on subjects aged 18+, so it would be hard to establish exactly how it would effect 'Younger adults'(kids). It's just hard for me to get my head around why any relative novice would be considering creatine - it aint no magic pill.

Also, at your age, your testosterone levels will be going through the roof soon, so you shouldn't need anything other than dedication and what you can get from eating good food.

Why are most underage rugby players I know of obsessed with creatine anyway ???

gabgab

dacookie wrote: »

Im sorry but I think you are trying to treat me as a kid, im not some fat 12 year old who doesnt have a clue what hes doing and doesnt bother eating any sort of healthy or protein filled food and goes to the gym once a week for an hour.

Ive already looked at my excercise regime, I know what things I want to work on and what machines and within the next week or so I will look at my diet with a professional.I go to the gym around 3/4 t

My diet is much better in my opinion than your average person my age.

What is you're sport, what are you're goals??

Regardless of them, look at it this way their are plenty of good/great ways to get them regardless of supplement use. Its been said a million times but they are to supplement your diet, not replace it.

What did you eat yesterday? From start to finish,

Dragan

Guys don't assume the OP's diet is off just because they are young.

I probably had more dedication and ate better from 16 to 18 than at any other point in my life. OP, as already asked maybe detail your diet in full for us and it will give us a better picture of what else might help you.

LegacyUser

If the OP is already eating loads in order to build mass, working out hard and properly, then he should be patient with his body instead of taking supplements at 16.

Irishcrx

I don't know the inns and outs of whats out there, I used Celltech hardcore and it defn worked, within 3 weeks my muscles were definatly noticably bigger, you have to be working out with it aswell though. I stopped at the gym for a few weeks during the summer and came back to pretty much normal size.

Dragan

cheesedude wrote: »

If the OP is already eating loads in order to build mass, working out hard and properly, then he should be patient with his body instead of taking supplements at 16.

I would suggest we leave the "are supplements okay for 16 year olds" arguement alone until he posts his diet.;)

gabgab

All I think is that alot of things in life or sport are about habit, if someone can get into a decent rythm of eating in accordance with their goals early on it will pay dividends in the end,

How many of us, regardless of age take supplements but fail to have a proper solid breakfast, EVERY morning, not skip one for a month..........

dacookie

gabgab wrote: »

What is you're sport, what are you're goals??

Regardless of them, look at it this way their are plenty of good/great ways to get them regardless of supplement use. Its been said a million times but they are to supplement your diet, not replace it.

What did you eat yesterday? From start to finish,

Would people stop saying I am "obsessed" with creatine and have a **** diet, which I have not even posted yet.In bold, im sorry that made me laugh, yes I have a **** load of creatine, protein supplements oh and btw im injecting steroids too like 5 times a day and I don't eat a thing...damn who do you think I am.
Heres my usual diet:

I don't have cereals, and if you think they are good for you then you really need to learn something, even proclaimed healthy cereals like wheatabix are not good for you at all.

So instead this is what I have usually for breakfast:

Pasta or a sandwhich, usually chicken and coldslaw or tuna and sweetcorn.BTW I drink a lot of water, most people my age don't drink much at all.I would say on average I drink around 2-3 litres of water a day.

My breakfast meal is quite big so I don't have much for lunch, say like a sandwhich or 1 item of junk food, lets say like a muffin or a small pizza.

For dinner I usually have a big steak with roast potatoes with brocoli and coliflower.Then for dessert(I rarely have a unhealthy dessert, maybe 1/week)But usually I have pineapple.The dinner varys a lot, but around 70% of the time it includeds meat.

Them somewhere between that day I might have a drink of orange juice or one of them innocent smoothies.

dacookie

I am not 100% if I will be buying creatine, but I will be buying protein supplements.

So I want to ask, why is this one so much more expensive than the one I was going to buy, even though theres less of it.

One I was going to buy:

http://irish-lifting.com/product_info_supplement.php?manufacturers_id=2&products_id=277

Expensive one:

http://irish-lifting.com/product_info_supplement.php?manufacturers_id=2&products_id=126

I thought NutritionX would have been a good choice because they have a lot of products so I presumed they would have had expierence(I know supporting the monopoly is bad :0 )

But I just wanted to know why Celltech whopp on a good bit more on their products, even their creatine, is it actually better or do they just like to put a big price tag on it even though its not much different.

COH

Just my take, but your diet seems lacking for the goals you're after. No need to assume your being judged in a negative light mate, your getting feedback from alot of people who make it their business to know what is necessary. We have your best interest at heart.

Personally my younger brother (17) has started weight training recently (last 8 months) and my advice to him (training aside) has been to stop assuming he knows the game and to avoid supplements until he has fulfilled his natural potential, aka a very strong and structured diet combined with intelligent training.

You're in the position where you have a wealth of infirmation regarding nutrition/training available to you, All I will say is that you will see better results following the advice of people who understand and have been training for longer than you.

CO

dacookie

COH wrote: »

Just my take, but your diet seems lacking for the goals you're after. No need to assume your being judged in a negative light mate, your getting feedback from alot of people who make it their business to know what is necessary. We have your best interest at heart.

Personally my younger brother (17) has started weight training recently (last 8 months) and my advice to him (training aside) has been to stop assuming he knows the game and to avoid supplements until he has fulfilled his natural potential, aka a very strong and structured diet combined with intelligent training.

You're in the position where you have a wealth of infirmation regarding nutrition/training available to you, All I will say is that you will see better results following the advice of people who understand and have been training for longer than you.

CO

Comment which I stated above are OVER THE TOP(What I ment was some of the feedback above).Yes my diet is not the best, but I don't think its far from it and it would help if you could suggest something.What I mean is I would appreciate nutrition advice.As TBH I think my diet is fairly up to scratch, for your average person my age.Just want to set a few guidelines, I won't be cutting out pizza's, just can't.And if your going to try to recommend me a variety, thats not possible.Well, it is, but that would consume your whole day cooking and preparing 20+ different kinds of food just to get a "balanced" diet.

COH

dacookie wrote: »

Comment which I stated above are OVER THE TOP(What I ment was some of the feedback above).Yes my diet is not the best, but I don't think its far from it and it would help if you could suggest something.What I mean is I would appreciate nutrition advice.As TBH I think my diet is fairly up to scratch, for your average person my age.Just want to set a few guidelines, I won't be cutting out pizza's, just can't.And if your going to try to recommend me a variety, thats not possible.Well, it is, but that would consume your whole day cooking and preparing 20+ different kinds of food just to get a "balanced" diet.

Pointless comparing your diet to your average 16 year old, a certain diet is necessary to achieve results, thats gospel. Plenty of diet info available in the stickys, check it out. Thing is your only going to get out of your training what you put in, half measures = faulty results. If your not prepared to make the effort of maintaining a diet that suits the type of training/results your after then quite simply you wont see the results. Supplementation wont substitute for a lack of dedication.

Money Shot

I don't think anyone is trying to get at you mate - just offering their opinions. And i'll give you mine, which you can choose to ignore also.

Hearing younger people taking supplements worries me. If you are looking for every concievable competitive edge at 16, what do you do when the guy your up against is still bigger and stronger than you next season. For me, creatine should really only be considered when you have been trianing using lots of different techiniques and methods for a very long time, and you also can't eek any more benefits from improving your diet. The next logical step for improvement would be legal supplements. That's how I look at it anyway.

At your stage, you can make more than enough progress for whatever you want to achieve through various training techniques and improving your diet. I'm over double your age and have been training longer than your 16 years, and still haven't felt the need to take creatine. I'm not getting at you here, so no need to respond, it's more of a general rant. Personally, I think it's better that you've at least had to think about your potential supplement use reading the above posts, rather than posting and just getting a website and making the purchase. Best of luck.

Dragan

Right,

your diet is brutal, plain and simple. I've had clients come to me in the past with better diets that that and i told them they were brutal too.

Your not getting in a steady source of proteins throughout the day, no real veg of fruit levels, no real healthy fats that i can see.

Read the nutrition sticky and work from there. Eat every 2.5 to 3 hours, a good mix of proteins,carbs and healthy fats. At your level i would say 40% proteins, 40% carbs, 20% healthy fats.

Now then,

the reason for the price difference in those two products is.....Muscletech are a total rip off. They hype Nitro-tech as have a nitrogen based delivery system and all this **** but it's just a protein.

Pro Matrix is a good product, a good blend of proteins with different absorbtion levels for a steady flow of amino's over the course of an couple of hours.

So, general advice is.....work to clean up your diet. If your willing to work NOW, clean up the diet and put it in when your in the gym your at a point where you can do great things over the next two years. If you want to buy a tub of whey to help with your goals then go for it...but i promise you that tub will be a wasted investment without placing more effort into your diet.

LegacyUser

Yeah as I thought, not eating anyway near enough and too impatient with his body due to this. Your the one who puts food into your body so don't get annoyed if your not seeing goal you want to see when your not even doing it properly.

gabgab

You dont eat nearly enough and your diet is not even near up to scratch,

If you posted up looking for us all to say go for it, then maybe not a discussion forum, your supplements will do nothing as they are not supplementing a good clean diet,

There are plenty of very knowledgable people on here, some of whom have incredible strength and pyhsiques, spend the money, but my advice is to buy heaps of tuna, unsalted unflavoured cashew, (I cant stomach almonds) and eat them, in a month of eating solid and clean you will be amazed at the results,

Roper

Hi dacookie,
I coach guys your age and like you, some of them are starting to wonder about supplements, creatine, gainers etc. because they read about how super freakin goddam awesome they are. I always tell them that if they write down the food they've eaten for a week plus their activity levels in the same period and we agree that they're eating and working hard enough, then I will buy their supplement of choice for them. I haven't bought one yet.

You're also showing some arrogance about your diet being better than other kids your age. I know the fastest junior girl in Ireland over 400metres and her diet would shame you, I coach a 15 year old who walks around the supermarket after his mother putting processed stuff back on the shelves and putting veg in the trolley.

Your diet is lacking in protein, vitamins and minerals. It's also lacking in frequency. In addition, you are seeking a quick fix, preferring to buy a shake instead of taking a few more minutes a day to prepare food. If you're playing a sport (and at 16, you should be!) then keep playing it, keep hitting the gym, clean up 80% of that diet but enjoy yourself on the other 20% because you're at a stage of your life where you're going to make the most gains in speed, size, and unfortunately, chest hair.

Don't bother your ass with supplements. They're supposed to supplement your diet not replace it. (there's a hint in the name)

hunter164

dacookie wrote: »

Comment which I stated above are OVER THE TOP(What I ment was some of the feedback above).Yes my diet is not the best, but I don't think its far from it and it would help if you could suggest something.What I mean is I would appreciate nutrition advice.As TBH I think my diet is fairly up to scratch, for your average person my age.

Well I'm your age and without meaning to brag,personally i think my diet is a fair bit better than yours.

The Freeman

hunter164 wrote: »

Well I'm your age and without meaning to brag,personally i think my diet is a fair bit better than yours.

care to elaborate?

if you add some constructive criticism to your point you made, it will seem like your adding to the communal construct of helping this lad out and not simply stating 'your diet is better than his'.

op

take the info on board what the other lads here said to ya, your diet needs big work, people are taking time out to offer you sound advice, try and appreciate it mate;)

dacookie

hunter164 wrote: »

Well I'm your age and without meaning to brag,personally i think my diet is a fair bit better than yours.

This added much help to the topic.

dacookie

What if I popped in 3 scrambled eggs in the diet everyday, and I also forgot to mention I have lasange quite often, which is protein + carbohydrate, yeah?

And maybe if I had a glass or two of milk, besides this what could I add?

LegacyUser

dacookie wrote: »

What if I popped in 3 scrambled eggs in the diet everyday, and I also forgot to mention I have lasange quite often, which is protein + carbohydrate, yeah?

Don't forget saturated fats and poor quality meat...depending on the lasagne. home made is best...but it's quite calorie dense...and may not be the best thing to be eating if you want to cut.

dacookie

cheesedude wrote: »

Don't forget saturated fats and poor quality meat...depending on the lasagne. home made is best...but it's quite calorie dense...and may not be the best thing to be eating if you want to cut.

Hmmm il take a look to see if its organic or not, but im fairly sure everything else is.

I was also thinking of putting Cashew nuts on the scrambled egg.

Anything else I should add?

cance

dacookie wrote: »

Hmmm il take a look to see if its organic or not, but im fairly sure everything else is.

I was also thinking of putting Cashew nuts on the scrambled egg.

Anything else I should add?

I'd look at the shíte you need to remove...

gabgab

Hey dacookie,

Good work on having a different angle on it,

My honest advice would be to read the nutritional stickies, dont eat stuff that comes from a box or is processed and eat plenty of it,

What are you doing gym wise, you're training I mean?

note: this stuff is not as complicated as the magazines and websites will have you believe, we need very little fancy stuff or supplements to get strong and quick,

The Freeman

ulitmately! what is your goal? what weight are ya and what do ya want to be in the near future?

dacookie

cance wrote: »

I'd look at the shíte you need to remove...

What ****e?1 item of junk food a day, if you read you would know I woulodn't be giving up pizza.

Your comment is useless.

dacookie

gabgab wrote: »

Hey dacookie,

Good work on having a different angle on it,

My honest advice would be to read the nutritional stickies, dont eat stuff that comes from a box or is processed and eat plenty of it,

What are you doing gym wise, you're training I mean?

note: this stuff is not as complicated as the magazines and websites will have you believe, we need very little fancy stuff or supplements to get strong and quick,

I have read a bit of them, but all I have learned is to eat 40% protein 40% carbohydrates and 20% healthy food fats.

Ok I know which the proteins are, but the only thing I know for carbohydrate is pasta.Could you give me some more?And healthy food fats is fruit, right?

I don't really have a goal, and I don't know what wait I am.

My training consists of mainly upper body excercises, but I do some leg machines and a tiny bit of treadmill at the end.

And for stomach muscles I am going to do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fU_8kJeXeE

Haven't started it though.

gabgab

I am not great at diet, but it usually goes something like this for me:

Breakfast 3 scrambled eggs with 30ish grams of porridge oats thrown in,
Banana and handful of cashews
Tuna sandwich with a little relish, a boiled egg, some salad, orange, pint of milk
Orange and handful of cashews,
Dinner is lean meat and loads of veg,
Post workout is protein shake, because eating soon enough after lifting is hard to do, and can be hard to stomach,
Tin of tuna or chicken breast,

Repeat

My advice to you would be to learn some very basic but very effective lifts, squat, deadlift, bench press, chins, and dips, are you training in a gym or at home?

Also you need to try and get a handle on what you're trying to achieve. Say run 5k in 22 minutes?? Or lift a particular weight in a particular type of lift, eg: Squat 40kg,

I dont know really, its your goals

dacookie

gabgab wrote: »

I am not great at diet, but it usually goes something like this for me:

Breakfast 3 scrambled eggs with 30ish grams of porridge oats thrown in,
Banana and handful of cashews
Tuna sandwich with a little relish, a boiled egg, some salad, orange, pint of milk
Orange and handful of cashews,
Dinner is lean meat and loads of veg,
Post workout is protein shake, because eating soon enough after lifting is hard to do, and can be hard to stomach,
Tin of tuna or chicken breast,

Repeat

My advice to you would be to learn some very basic but very effective lifts, squat, deadlift, bench press, chins, and dips, are you training in a gym or at home?

Also you need to try and get a handle on what you're trying to achieve. Say run 5k in 22 minutes?? Or lift a particular weight in a particular type of lift, eg: Squat 40kg,

I dont know really, its your goals

Im working in a gym, I try to move up by say 5 kg every week or so(I guess that is my goal.).Except on the bench, I move up 2.5kg on that.I do 3 sets of 10 reps on each machine but if I don't feel completly exausted, I do another set,and then another if I can.If I can do 5 sets of something I move up the next day.

I eat a lot of potato, is that a carbohydrate?Same with tuna.And do I have to eat this whole 40% protein 40% carbo 20% healthy fats on my gym days or everyday?I go to the gym once every 2 days.

colmconn

dacookie wrote: »

I eat a lot of potato, is that a carbohydrate?

yes it's mostly carbs, however, it's a carb that is very high on the GI scale. you want something that will release energy over a longer time-scale. something like brown rice or brown pasta is good.

if you're not sure what the best forms of carbs are, i suggest you get yourself a copy of "the complete guide to sports nutrition" by Anita Bean and read it from cover to cover. you should be able to pick a new or second hand copy on amazon.com or .co.uk. what the way the dollar is at the moment it may be cheaper to order from the states.

Remember though you may work hard in the gym your body's not built there it's built in the kitchen. Though you are young and may be able to handle a crappy diet more readily than if you were 10-20 years older, you will make considerably more progress if you feed you body the correct nutrients it needs to grow and respond to the stress you are putting it under in the gym.

The decisions you make now will have an impact your progress. You say you read the stickies, but did you understand them? If you've got questions ask, people here will be more than willing to help, but you have to be willing listen to the answer. There is no point asking the question if you do not want to hear the answer.

Learn as much as you can about food and how to eat properly. It will benefit you in your training and more importantly will set you up with good eating habits which will hopefully last you a lifetime.

Also nobody's saying that you can never eat pizza again, just don't be going nuts on it. Life's too short to live without good pizza ;-)

dacookie wrote: »

Same with tuna.And do I have to eat this whole 40% protein 40% carbo 20% healthy fats on my gym days or everyday?I go to the gym once every 2 days.

every day. make a clean diet your diet. remember it's when you're at rest that you body engages in recovery and repair.