Kane- could it be?.........

Handsome Bob

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Former WWE manager Paul Bearer (a.k.a. Percy Pringle) appears to be enjoying the sudden burst of attention he's received due to the latest Kane character twist. In case you missed it, Kane kept repeating "Is He alive or is He dead?" to the ringside commentators on Monday's Raw, which has led many fans to speculate that Kane was talking about his possibly dead storyline father and that the Paul Bearer character will be returning to the company after a four-year absence, though neither Pringle or WWE have obviously yet to confirm this.
Pringle did another post on his blog yesterday, which you can also read at http://percysposts. blogspot. com/.
He posted a few pictures and a comment regarding his sudden bout of relevancy. Here is what Pringle wroteZ: ,b>Thursday, July 10, 2008 KAYFABE IS STILL ALIVE... BUT IS PAUL BEARER? Over the past 4-days, 80 thousand visitors, and almost 1000 emails. They all ask... "Is Paul Bearer Dead Or Alive? Be Blessed.
~Percy www. PercyPringle. com

For the record, here is what Michael Cole and Tazz actually said regarding Paul Bearer's condition on the July 1, 2004 SmackDown broadcast following the cement burial twist at the previous Sunday's Great American Bash pay-per-view: Cole: "We'd like to update you on the condition of Paul Bearer at this time. The Undertaker's once friend and confidant suffered severe internal injuries he also suffered injuries to the lungs, severe injuries to the lungs, and also to the trachea." Tazz: "It is extremely doubtful that we'll ever see Paul Bearer on Smackdown ever again, due to the horrifiying injuries the man sustained. It's horrible.

"

Reportedly, WWE received a number of fan complaints because they had essentially shown a "murder" on television, so they changed his status in the storyline to alive, although gravely injured.



A few weeks ago, John Morrison and The Miz held a seance for Bearer on their WWE. com webshow "The Dirt Sheet" to gain information about Kane, presuming that Bearer is dead, even though WWE last said he was still alive.



Pringle originally parted ways with WWE in October 2002. Over the next year, he would often rant about the state of his former company and their storylines on his official website and message board, obviously expecting never to work with them again. For starters, he ripped the Katie Vick storyline, ranted on the direction of the Kane unmasking angle, said the fans "couldn't care any less" for an "unknown China Doll" winning the WWE Women's Championship (current TNA wrestler Gail Kim), criticized the WWE writing team ("However, in my heart I just know sooner or later they are going to screw something up. No matter how hard Glen Jacobs works, or how much blood he spills, his fate is in the hands of writers who have never stepped foot in a wrestling ring before."), and chastised WWE for their piece on Confidential on the death of Miss Elizabeth. Apparently, Pringle even once took a dig at the Undertaker in a website column following the June 23, 2003 Kane unmasking angle.



Compared to Mark Calaway, he said that Kane was the "superior athlete" and that "Glen Jacobs was indeed treated like the red headed stepchild, while big brother got the big paydays and the glory." He also added, "With Mark Calaway's big boot resting on the bar, Kane had a snowball's chance in hell of any type of character elevation.

"

Pringle also felt "robbed" regarding the unmasking storyline, saying "The Kane character has been used, abused, and kicked to the side, by writers that didn't have a damn clue of what to do with him. So tonight, they took the easy way out.

"

During all this, Pringle had a brief foray in TNA, but only worked a few shows before disappearing. There apparently was an idea for him to manage a character they were developing at the time, who you may know as Abyss, but it never came to pass.



In September 2003, Jim Ross contacted Pringle about rejoining the company. Pringle was initially hesitant about calling him back because he thought there was no possible way he could return to television in the shape he was in at the time as he was suffering from morbid obesity. "When I left the road, I had a lot of problems. My wife was sick, I was depressed, and I gained a lot of weight. I was a big man for a lot of the years that I managed Undertaker, but I carried it well.
At this point though, I could barely walk around my house," Pringle said in an interview with WWE. com.
Pringle also said he weighed 525 pounds during this time period. He initially turned WWE's offer down without offering a solid explanation.



"I knew I couldn't go back to wrestling with my health being what it was," Bearer said in an interview. "I was too ashamed to admit to my friend (Jim Ross) that I had gained so much weight and my health was so bad. So, I just dodged his calls. Finally, a couple weeks later, he emailed me. I felt comfortable there, behind the computer keyboard.

" Ross then asked, "What can we do for you?"

Pringle explained the situation with his health, saying he had been researching weight loss surgery and badly needed it. However, he didn't have any insurance to cover the cost and his bank account was practically bare. After some contract negotiations via e-mail, WWE signed him to a three-year contract in October 2003. As a signing bonus, the company agreed to assist him with the cost of the Gastric Bypass Surgery, which he underwent in November 2003. "To make a long story short, I had the surgery and lost 240 pounds.
The surgery saved my life, and without it, you wouldn't be hearing from me today," Pringle told WWE. com.



After recovering from surgery, he reappeared as the Paul Bearer character in March 2004 at WrestleMania XX, alongside Undertaker in his match against Kane. Pringle said he lost 129 pounds by this time, so he was down to 396 pounds for the event. Bearer would accompany Undertaker to the ring for the next two months, often staying in the background and rarely getting involved, but on Friday, May 21, 2004, something unexpected happened.



Pringle was sitting at his computer that Friday night "when out of nowhere it felt like someone stabbed me in my right side," Pringle wrote on his website. Pringle was diagnosed with gallstones, which he had suddenly developed. This is a frequent side effect of gastric bypass surgery. Pringle informed management about his situation and told them that he was going to be out of work for three weeks. In the meantime, the creative team came up with a storyline for his Paul Bearer character to be abducted by Paul Heyman and the Dudley Boyz. Pringle said he was very weak and the road was taking a toll on his well-being. The creative team then developed the cement burial angle to write his Paul Bearer character off of television altogether.



As expected, Undertaker trounced the Dudley Boyz in the main event of the 2004 Great American Bash. During the match, Heyman frequently tried to divert Taker's attention by threatening to pull the lever to the fill the glass crypt in which Paul Bearer was in, with cement. After the match, a lightning bolt struck, preventing Heyman from going to the cement truck. Undertaker then walked over to it and told Paul Bearer to "Rest In Peace." He then pulled the lever himself, which sent cement into the crypt, completely burying Paul Bearer and suffocating him in the storyline. Despite practically murdering his long-time manager in the storyline, Undertaker remained a babyface and soon went on to feud with John "Bradshaw" Layfield over the WWE Championship.



After the cement burial angle, WWE kept Pringle on the payroll until they decided to terminate his contract, giving him ninety days notice on April 11, 2005. Regarding his release from the company, Pringle wrote, "I would like to say that our conversation was a courtesy, very cordial, and definitely not unexpected. The WWE creative department has not been able to come up with a viable storyline for the Paul Bearer character since he was "buried" in cement at THE GREAT AMERICAN BASH on June 27, 2004.

"

Pringle made one last appearance under the Paul Bearer character in late January 2007 at a SmackDown/ECW taping in his hometown of Mobile, Alabama, where he joined Kane & Undertaker at ringside for a dark match.

*I hope it's a legit source rovvy;)*

Firewalkwithme

PROOF PLEASE?

I've had enough of your uncredible sources

It's an interesting idea though isn't it. I have long thought that there could be a new era of manager / agent driven storylines. Real sport often generates a lot of interest from interventions by greedy agents - much more now than when WWF had its own managrial heyday with the like of Slick, Heenan, Fuji to name but a few. Now that sports fans are so familiar with the TV money side of any sport and since WWE need a new direction, I'd love to see it happen. I could think of quite a few former worker who would make fantasic managers. Then tag teams, factions, main event rivalries combined with
mid card duel would be a hell of a lot more interesting.

Handsome Bob

Cartoon_Head wrote: »

PROOF PLEASE?

I've had enough of your uncredible sources

It's an interesting idea though isn't it. I have long thought that there could be a new era of manager / agent driven storylines. Real sport often generates a lot of interest from interventions by greedy agents - much more now than when WWF had its own managrial heyday with the like of Slick, Heenan, Fuji to name but a few. Now that sports fans are so familiar with the TV money side of any sport and since WWE need a new direction, I'd love to see it happen. I could think of quite a few former worker who would make fantasic managers. Then tag teams, factions, main event rivalries combined with
mid card duel would be a hell of a lot more interesting.

It certainly is an interesting idea, and for some reason I didn't even think of it. It makes sense, certainly more so than hurting Vince. Whoever hurt Vince will take centre-stage, I can't see them giving that to Kane.

Firewalkwithme

LZ5by5 wrote: »

It certainly is an interesting idea, and for some reason I didn't even think of it. It makes sense, certainly more so than hurting Vince. Whoever hurt Vince will take centre-stage, I can't see them giving that to Kane.

Yeah but I always wonder why are they hanging on to Kane for so long? Maybe he is just one of those guys Vince seems to have a hard on for. When you look at some of the talent they throw out in the trash (Christain) or simply allow to walk out the door (angle), why on earth would you do that and keep such a stale character as Kane on your books? It's the same story with Mark Henry, what does he bring to the table?

Handsome Bob

Cartoon_Head wrote: »

Yeah but I always wonder why are they hanging on to Kane for so long? Maybe he is just one of those guys Vince seems to have a hard on for. When you look at some of the talent they throw out in the trash (Christain) or simply allow to walk out the door (angle), why on earth would you do that and keep such a stale character as Kane on your books? It's the same story with Mark Henry, what does he bring to the table?

I like Kane, he's a safe bet for a legit monster heel if booked correctly, unlike Snitsky and the like....

It still perplexes me to this day how they let Christian walk out. I'm sure if he was patient he would have got the push that he wanted, but that was up to the WWE to persuade him that they held him in high regard.

With Angle, he's one botched move away from being paralysed......i'm not surprised they released him. He could of had the glorious comeback that HBK had had he took a few years off to heal his body.

Cartoon_Head

Cartoon_Head wrote: »

Yeah but I always wonder why are they hanging on to Kane for so long? Maybe he is just one of those guys Vince seems to have a hard on for. When you look at some of the talent they throw out in the trash (Christain) or simply allow to walk out the door (angle), why on earth would you do that and keep such a stale character as Kane on your books? It's the same story with Mark Henry, what does he bring to the table?

Kane is very well liked, actually...:mad:


He's the reason i tune into RAW.

Kane-N-Nite

KANE. IS. GOD.

Kane-N-Nite

Kane-N-Nite wrote: »

KANE. IS. GOD.

A WRESSSSSSTLINNNNNNGGG GAAWWDD









:pac:

ShawnRaven

Jesus, that pic looks like a freakish cast from an Austin Powers movie.
I shall call him... Mini Kane!

VR!

rovert

Looks like no one here know what a carny is.

Fozzy

rovert wrote: »

Looks like no here know what a carny is.

Indeed. I think Bearer's just working the fans to get more website hits, and for his own amusement. I don't think that he has much to add to Kane or WWE at this stage

Handsome Bob

Fozzy wrote: »

Indeed. I think Bearer's just working the fans to get more website hits, and for his own amusement. I don't think that he has much to add to Kane or WWE at this stage

To be fair, it sounds as if people went to his website before he posted the blog. He's reacting to the e-mails that he received on the subject.

rovert

LZ5by5 wrote: »

To be fair, it sounds as if people went to his website before he posted the blog. He's reacting to the e-mails that he received on the subject.

Supply and demand.

Remember this the guy who swore he wasnt going to be WM 20 all the way up to the event.

Rjd2

What is the ****ing obsession on boards with Kane?!!!!:mad:

gimmick

^ Agreed. I fail to see anything even remotely interesting about him anymore. One of the more boring characters of the last 5 years tbh.

DenMan

Paul Bearer coming back, I would like to think it could happen. The Undertaker is going to be away for a while so I hope Paul does come back, it would be terrific. Watch this space....

rovert

gimmick wrote: »

^ Agreed. I fail to see anything even remotely interesting about him anymore. One of the more boring characters of the last 5 years tbh.

Agreed

DenMan wrote: »

Paul Bearer coming back, I would like to think it could happen. The Undertaker is going to be away for a while so I hope Paul does come back, it would be terrific. Watch this space....

Yeah as it was so amazing last time. :rolleyes:

gm1984

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Ecw-Original

gimmick wrote: »

I fail to see anything even remotely interesting about him anymore. One of the more boring characters of the last 5 years tbh.

I find it hilarious how someone will blatantly say how rubbish he is the moment some sort of angle breaks out which might make for an interesting story, perhaps?

Don't give out about the last 5 years but lets look towards where this is going with anticipation? :)

Or at least lets pray it doesn't turn into a "katie vic-esqe" story.

Wait, maybe he was on about katie vick?.....:eek:
Lol


Wouldn't it be a kick in the balls if WWE actually had it as the vince one, after everyone getting so worked up about bearer?

rovert

Ecw-Original wrote: »

I find it hilarious how someone will blatantly say how rubbish he is the moment some sort of angle breaks out which might make for an interesting story, perhaps?

But not interesting matches which is kind of the point of the rubbishing.

Ecw-Original wrote: »

Don't give out about the last 5 years but lets look towards where this is going with anticipation? :)

You actually watch matches right?

Ecw-Original wrote: »

Wouldn't it be a kick in the balls if WWE actually had it as the vince one, after everyone getting so worked up about bearer?

Worked being the opperative word.

But not interesting matches which is kind of the point of the rubbishing.

Ah, Rovert. You must understand that what you find boring and dull, has another person on the edge of their seat.

Do i enjoy any of Jeff Hardy's stunt shows? No. But I understand that other people do. Ilike big men, slow style, wrestling. I'm not a huge fan of cruiserweights flipping all over the place, but i can respect and appreciate it.


Just because Kane doesn't appeal to you, doesn't make your opinion a fact.



Besdies, Kane had some fantastic matches on ECW with Morrison, Miz, etc.

ShawnRaven

I like watching big man matches if done properly, but Kane has been sitting in the doldrums for the guts of six years (at least!), this is a guy who is over 13 years in WWE (counting his Big Daddy Dentist phases) and has accomplished sweet f*ck all!

Now we know my feelings on Taker, but at least with him, he's had interesting matches over the years, with Michaels, Edge and HHH. Kane has had horrid storylines, and a pointless unmasking and neverending pointless feuds with Undertaker.

He has turned so many times, that people stopped giving a sh*t about him.

I've enjoyed Big Slow matches, Rock matches, Taker matches, Sid matches as far as big guys go, but Kane does bugger all for me. I don't know about anyone else personally.

VR!

kyp_durron

He is very agile for a big man. He moves through the shadows with the speed of a cat.

Fozzy

I used to be a huge fan of Kane but I haven't enjoyed many of his matches in the last seven years or so. Nothing about him appeals to me anymore, there's plenty of guys who have better matches than him each week

de5p0i1er

I think Bearer's return could happen and tie it in with Undertakers comeback aswell as this new twist for Kane. (Taker to Raw maybe)

rovert

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, Rovert. You must understand that what you find boring and dull, has another person on the edge of their seat.

I watch him wrestling in front of crowds of 10,000-20,000 people I dont recall anyone on the edge of their seat.

Deleted User wrote: »

I like big men, slow style, wrestling.

So do I and as VR named (I could name more) there many far better than him

Deleted User wrote: »

Just because Kane doesn't appeal to you, doesn't make your opinion a fact.

I never said it did but opinion is the majority.

Deleted User wrote: »

Besdies, Kane had some fantastic matches on ECW with Morrison, Miz, etc.

Fantastic you say, I suspect hyperbole on your part. Dates, star ratings or links to these fantastic matches please.

de5p0i1er wrote: »

(Taker to Raw maybe)

Just no (check out the Eijah Burke thread)

I'm not gonna bother fighting this argument out, as i've to head out. But its all a matter of opinion. If you don't like the guy, thats totally fine. However, I do like him, and I'm happy to watch his matches.

Rjd2

Just out of curiosity, and bear in mind I have drifted in and out of wwe over the last few years, what quality matches has Kane had since 2000? I admit he had a good hardcore match at Mania at 2001, but thats all I can recall.

rovert

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not gonna bother fighting this argument out, as i've to head out. But its all a matter of opinion. If you don't like the guy, thats totally fine. However, I do like him, and I'm happy to watch his matches.

It is not a matter of opinion whether he can in 2008 have fantastic matches (as you say he has) as people far more qualifed their opinion than you or myself dont regard him as a wrestler capable of having fantastic matches.

I dont find your opinion objective at all as it shows a high degree of bias.

rovert

Rjd2 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, and bear in mind I have drifted in and out of wwe over the last few years, what quality matches has Kane had since 2000? I admit he had a good hardcore match at Mania at 2001, but thats all I can recall.

Lets put it this way there is a reason why he doesnt have a dvd.

After he unmasked was the cut off for me.

Reganio 2

rovert wrote: »

It is not a matter of opinion whether he can in 2008 have fantastic matches (as you say he has) as people far more qualifed their opinion than you or myself dont regard him as a wrestler capable of having fantastic matches.

I dont find your opinion objective at all as it shows a high degree of bias.

STILL PEOPLE'S OPINION.

That's like going to a show and writing about then going "Well he's not very good" so if I done that would you go oh he must be right. Course you wouldn't cause its just my opinion.

Machismo Fan

To quote Oscar Wilde:

It is only about things that do not interest one that one can give a really unbiased opinion, which is not doubt the reason why an unbiased opinion is always absolutely valueless.

Brolly

From wwe.com - who was Kane referring to???

http://application.wwe.com/mod-cgi/upe/?PO_ID=3698

Bounty Hunter

brolly wrote: »

From wwe.com - who was Kane referring to???

http://application.wwe.com/mod-cgi/upe/?PO_ID=3698

haha 2pac has 44% of the vote, now that would be an unexpected turn of events

rovert

Reganio 2 wrote: »

STILL PEOPLE'S OPINION.

That's like going to a show and writing about then going "Well he's not very good" so if I done that would you go oh he must be right. Course you wouldn't cause its just my opinion.

Not very one's opinion is equally valid.

DRakE

If he gets back into the shape he was then and brings back the black/red/bit see thru flames outfit i'd enjoy watching him again

rovert

DRakE wrote: »

If he gets back into the shape he was then and brings back the black/red/bit see thru flames outfit i'd enjoy watching him again

SUP WELLNESS

Tricity Bendix

Kane has had good, exciting matches recently with both Morrison and CM Punk. His match with Punk was particularly good, I thought, as it broke from his usual brawling style.

Having said that, his matches with Chavo were horrible.

kyp_durron

b.ie curious wrote: »

Kane has had good, exciting matches recently with both Morrison and CM Punk. His match with Punk was particularly good, I thought, as it broke from his usual brawling style.

Having said that, his matches with Chavo were horrible.

Proof please.

Unless rovert says so I ain't buying that.

Fozzy

kyp_durron wrote: »

Proof please.

Unless rovert says so I ain't buying that.

Have you read what rovert has said in this thread?

rovert

kyp_durron wrote: »

Proof please.

Unless rovert says so I ain't buying that.

Excuse me if this isnt going off topic I dont know what is. No need for personal attacks.

*Cue arguement I'll get accused for starting*

Tricity Bendix

I'm fairly certain all this rovert-baiting is against the rules. Even if it isn't, its still bullying. I don't like the direction this forum is going in. The scary part is that it doesn't seem to be any one poster's fault, but rather childishness seems to have become a recurring theme.

Fozzy

b.ie curious wrote: »

I'm fairly certain all this rovert-baiting is against the rules. Even if it isn't, its still bullying. I don't like the direction this forum is going in. The scary part is that it doesn't seem to be any one poster's fault, but rather childishness seems to have become a recurring theme.

I'm hoping that people are going to get the point soon and realise that rovert is not doing anything wrong at the moment. If not then I'll have to do something

Just keep it in mind everyone

rovert

Anyway Dave Meltzer on F4W's audio show said that Raw will be mainly built around Kane. His only concerned about it is that it distracts from promoting Sunday's PPV. He just hopes that Kane gets a match at the PPV.

Im guessing if he is wrestling anyone it would be Jerry Lawler.

Handsome Bob

rovert wrote: »

Anyway Dave Meltzer on F4W's audio show said that Raw will be mainly built around Kane. His only concerned about it is that it distracts from promoting Sunday's PPV. He just hopes that Kane gets a match at the PPV.

Im guessing if he is wrestling anyone it would be Jerry Lawler.

A handicap match against Lawler AND Cole!:pac:

What does Meltzer mean? Is he talking about just tonights Raw or are they planning to build Raw around Kane for the forseeable future?

DRakE

Apparently Kane/chavo at the show in belfast last year was really good.. for what its worth

Fozzy

LZ5by5 wrote: »

A handicap match against Lawler AND Cole!:pac:

What does Meltzer mean? Is he talking about just tonights Raw or are they planning to build Raw around Kane for the forseeable future?

Just this Raw

rovert

LZ5by5 wrote: »

A handicap match against Lawler AND Cole!:pac:

What does Meltzer mean? Is he talking about just tonights Raw or are they planning to build Raw around Kane for the forseeable future?

Thats a depressing thought

Handsome Bob

rovert wrote: »

Thats a depressing thought

I don't mind if they are trying to re-establish his monster heel status, but Kane as the headline heel is not what I want to see...........

Tricity Bendix

DRakE wrote: »

Apparently Kane/chavo at the show in belfast last year was really good.. for what its worth

Interesting. Sounds somewhat strange that their live perfonce would be really good, given that they can edit their TV matches. Chavo's offence was just pathetic. Kane had to totally over-sell Chavo's punches, while Chavo had to undersell the big moves Kane kept on pulling off. The matches were just so out of balance, it was unbelievable. Especially considering the two are veterans.

Anyone see the abortion of a match between Kane and Palumbo? It shocks me that Palumbo still has a job.

rovert

b.ie curious wrote: »

Anyone see the abortion of a match between Kane and Palumbo? It shocks me that Palumbo still has a job.

Chuck has friends in high places (Taker, Hunter & Johnny Ace.)