Another immigration thread closed

O'Morris

This thread was closed yesterday by that oscarbravo character
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055317216&page=7

Because it was going round in circles?

I don't know if his parents tried to teach him any manners when he was young but they obviously did a bad job if he considers it acceptable behaviour to cut short a discussion (one that he himself was not contributing to) without providing a good reason.

I can see nothing in that thread that would have justified a closure. The subject was relevant to the EU forum, valid points were made by all contributors (with one obvious exception), all replies were civil and relevant to the dicussion (obvious exception again), no offensive or inappropriate language was used ('Japs' like 'Brits' is a harmless affectionate term - I've heard David McWilliams using it) and no warning was given by any of the moderators that anything in the thread was worthy of a closure.

The claim that it was going around in circles is also hard to defend. I can see very little repetition in the posts. Several different points were made and those that could be addressed in a single reply were, those that couldn't took longer. The issue of immigration can raise strongly-held opinions on both sides and so it was to be expected that this thread, like most other immigration threads, would take up more than a few pages. If going round in circles means spending longer than five or six posts dealing with the same point then how many other threads on boards.ie are under threat of closure for excessive circle rounding?

And even if the thread was going around in circles, so what? I don't see what business that is of oscarbravo's. It's not as if we were preventing anyone else from engaging in a discussion that wasn't going around in circles. There's plenty of room in that forum for other threads. If people want to continue a discussion, and as long as they aren't being abusive or otherwise breaking the forum rules, then what business is it of the moderators whether they're going around in circles or not?

These kinds of arbitrary thread closures and bannings are not only annoying for those people affected but but they also make a mockery of those who say that the rules are important for the site. What's the point in having rules if observance of those rules is no guarantee that people won't be banned or that the thread they're posting on won't be closed?

Can a moderator please re-open that thread? If not, can you at least provide more than a one sentence explanation for why it deserved to be closed?

Boston

OscarBravo thought you where polish so he closed the thread to force you back to where ever your from (ploish people are from france right?). Now that its clear you're a white proud Irish nationalist, he'll be along shortly to reopen the thread comrade.


Sorry for posting bull****, but you started it.

Hobbes

People like you should go back to your own forum where you started posting from. Coming into feedback taking all our threads.

Zaph

Boring. I was hoping for a more explosive fight da powah rant when I saw the thread title tbh.

,8,1

Sounds like you were discussing a politically incorrect topic. There is your crime and the reason the thread was closed.

Sherifu

Another troll rises. Sieg Heil .o/

Dragan

Hopefully it was closed because of the severe throwing opinion around as if it was fact.

O'Morris

Dragan wrote:

Hopefully it was closed because of the severe throwing opinion around as if it was fact.

That wasn't the reason given by oscarbravo when he closed the thread. He said he closed it because it was going round in circles.

I admitted in a reply to nesf that I was wrong to repeat something I read in a book and try to present it as fact. I withdrew the statement I made and even acknowledged that the explanation he gave was a far better one.

brianthebard

Zaph wrote: »

Boring. I was hoping for a more explosive fight da powah rant when I saw the thread title tbh.

seconded.wheres the namecalling and questioning of the mods' integrity?

Doctor DooM

I'll go first...

Esel

From scanning the second last page, my opinion is that the OP and djpbarry should get a room.

Oh - and oB should go back to his own country!

RoundyMooney

Allow me to retort;

javaboy

Sarky

I hear OscarBravo goes to orphanages and shouts out "Oh my god, that's my son! Praise the Lord, I found my... Oh, wait, my mistake, never mind."

And then collects the tears as an aphrodisiac.

O'Morris

Those images are all vey nice but they're taking up a lot of bandwidth and making it really difficult to scroll down the page.

I appreciate your contribution but I started the thread so that we could discuss whether that immigration thread deserved to be closed. Those images of the dogs are making it difficult to have that discussion.

Would you do me a favour and remove them so we can get back to the subject of the thread?

Boston

Sarky wrote: »

I hear OscarBravo goes to orphanages and shouts out "Oh my god, that's my son! Praish the Lord, I found my... Oh, wait, my mistake, never mind."

And then collects the tears as an aphrodisiac.

I heard that.

Dragan

O'Morris wrote: »

Those images are all vey nice but they're taking up a lot of bandwidth and making it really difficult to scroll down the page.

I appreciate your contribution but I started the thread so that we could discuss whether that immigration thread deserved to be closed. Those images of the dogs are making it difficult to have that discussion.

Would you do me a favour and remove them so we can get back to the subject of the thread?

Why just the dogs?

Is it because the cats were here first and the dogs came over and took their jobs?

javaboy

O'Morris wrote: »

Those images are all vey nice but they're taking up a lot of bandwidth and making it really difficult to scroll down the page.

Awaits Longcat is long picture

O'Morris

Please don't think the purpose of this thread is to attack oscarbravo. I know he has enemies but I'm not one of them. I have nothing but respect for oscarbravo and for the other moderators.

Me and oscarbravo actually go back a long way. We used to post together over on the INP forums before they were closed down a few months ago. We both share the view that a reduction in immigration is desirable now that the economy is in a recession.

Honey-ec

Ok, this is totally OT but I actually know the person who owns the dog in the "Bacon!" pic - how weird is that??? Her name is Binga.

The dog, that is, not the owner.

Bob the Builder

O'Morris wrote: »

Please don't think the purpose of this thread is to attack oscarbravo. I know he has enemies but I'm not one of them. I have nothing but respect for oscarbravo and for the other moderators.

let's join forces and we can defeat the likes of evil oB and the politics forum

{mwahahahahaha}

Me and oscarbravo actually go back a long way. We used to post together over on the INP forums before they were closed down a few months ago. We both share the view that a reduction in immigration is desirable now that the economy is in a recession.

i share the same view but it doesn't mean i like anyone any more or less. Many people like fianna fail, and the same for fine gael, but it means absoloutley nothing that if they like each other or not. it just gives them one less thing to fight about.

Doctor DooM

O'Morris wrote: »

Those images are all vey nice but they're taking up a lot of bandwidth and making it really difficult to scroll down the page.

I appreciate your contribution but I started the thread so that we could discuss whether that immigration thread deserved to be closed. Those images of the dogs are making it difficult to have that discussion.

Would you do me a favour and remove them so we can get back to the subject of the thread?

Yes it did.

The thread was just going to devolve into a load of baiting as it always does so the mod was just cutting it off at the pass.

In accordance with your wish, I shall not post a dog.

O'Morris

SDooM wrote: »

The thread was just going to devolve into a load of baiting as it always does so the mod was just cutting it off at the pass.

In accordance with your wish, I shall not post a dog.

Why are you posting these images? Don't you realise how disruptive this is? I don't know what I've done to offend you off but if you're looking for a fight then please look for it elsewhere. I'm not interested.

I don't think you'd like it if someone was doing that in one of your threads so please stop doing it in this thread. I see you're a moderator as well. You're really setting a bad example.

WindSock

Honey-ec wrote: »

Ok, this is totally OT but I actually know the person who owns the dog in the "Bacon!" pic - how weird is that??? Her name is Binga.

The dog, that is, not the owner.

Thats pretty wierd alright. How did you notice the pic was posted here, if you don't mind my askin?

Honey-ec

WindSock wrote: »

Thats pretty wierd alright. How did you notice the pic was posted here, if you don't mind my askin?

I was reading through the new posts, the topic of this one caught my eye, I opened it and there she was!

Her owner is going to love this! They live in the States! Just goes to show you what a small world it is.

pirelli

O'Morris wrote: »

This thread was closed yesterday by that oscarbravo character
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055317216&page=7

Because it was going round in circles?

I don't know if his parents tried to teach him any manners when he was young but they obviously did a bad job if he considers it acceptable behaviour to cut short a discussion (one that he himself was not contributing to) without providing a good reason.

I can see nothing in that thread that would have justified a closure. The subject was relevant to the EU forum, valid points were made by all contributors (with one obvious exception), all replies were civil and relevant to the dicussion (obvious exception again), no offensive or inappropriate language was used ('Japs' like 'Brits' is a harmless affectionate term - I've heard David McWilliams using it) and no warning was given by any of the moderators that anything in the thread was worthy of a closure.

The word jap or japs is a derogative word.The oxford dictionary describes it as an offensive word. Technically it is derogative. There has to be consistency on closing threads otherwise one might be seen as capricious and OB seems to avoid this by being consistently strict.

Riamfada

But the cats are cool, right?

edit: ah crap. about 5 posts too late

Esel

Does that mean that my Jap's Eye is offensive? I've had nothing but admiring comments so far.

Dord

javaboy wrote: »

Awaits Longcat is long picture

oscarBravo

O'Morris wrote: »

Me and oscarbravo actually go back a long way. We used to post together over on the INP forums before they were closed down a few months ago. We both share the view that a reduction in immigration is desirable now that the economy is in a recession.

You're a funny guy, I'll give you that.



No, wait. Not funny. What's that other word? The opposite of funny?

O'Morris

pirelli wrote:

The word jap or japs is a derogative word.The oxford dictionary describes it as an offensive word. Technically it is derogative.

Yes, in some contexts the word 'Jap' is clearly an offensive and derogatory term, the same way the word 'Brit' can be used in an offensive and derogatory context as well. However in common usage I think the term is a light-hearted and affectionate term for a nation that most people have a very positive image of. I think it's obvious from the context in which I used it in that thread that that's how I intended the term to be interpreted. It's like the way people light-heartedly refer to French people as frogs or Americans as yanks, it's not meant to be taken seriously.

I have a great deal of respect and admiration for the Japanese people and for what they've achieved as a nation. I would only ever speak of them in positive terms.

pirelli wrote:

There has to be consistency on closing threads otherwise one might be seen as capricious

What the hell does that mean? How can it be seen as anything other than capricious to close a thread without giving a proper reason for why the thread is being closed? If a moderator is going to close a thread they should be prepared to either point to the rule that has been broken or if they can't think of any rule at least give a more detailed explanation for why they decided to take the action they've taken.

I remember him in another thread claiming that people who vote capriciously should be 'castigated'. If voters who can't give a good reason for why they vote in a particular way deserve to be castigated then so too do moderators deserve to be 'castigated' if they aren't prepared to give a proper reason for the actions that they take.

oscarBravo wrote:

No, wait. Not funny. What's that other word? The opposite of funny?

Serious?

Can you please explain why you decided to close that thread?

Gordon

O'Morris wrote: »

Can you please explain why you decided to close that thread?

Because it was going round in circles, I thought that was stated originally.

Sarky

Damn it Gordon, now THIS thread's going round in circles! We're trapped!

O'Morris

Gordon wrote:

Because it was going round in circles

Not good enough old boy! Not good enough!

If going around in circles is a good enough reason for closing a thread then dozens of other threads on boards.ie would not still be running. For example, why wasn't this thread closed
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055314710

or this thread
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055316887

or this thread
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055313521&page=15

Those are just three picked at random but I could point to many others where the same points are discussed endlessly and there isn't a peep from the moderators. Practically ever long-running thread on the site could be closed for going around in circles as going in around in circles is what happens when people hold strong views about something.

And if you read the immigration thread you will see that it was not actually going around in circles. The discussion was proceeding nicely. It was far more civil and far more constructive than many of the other discussions you'll find on the politics forum.

Shield

Honey-ec wrote: »

Ok, this is totally OT but I actually know the person who owns the dog in the "Bacon!" pic - how weird is that??? Her name is Binga.

The dog, that is, not the owner.

I had a dog when I was a little boy. It was stolen in the middle of the night.

SimpleSam06

O'Morris wrote: »

Why are you posting these images? Don't you realise how disruptive this is?

Welcome to feedback, the biggest peanut gallery on the internet. They get especially verbose with the cat pics when its all a bit much for them, threads complaining about politics especially for some reason.

/just kidding, you guys have been great

O'Morris

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

They get especially verbose with the cat pics when its all a bit much for them, threads complaining about politics especially for some reason.

I've sent PMs to the moderators of the forum informing them of what's happening.

javaboy

O'Morris wrote: »

I've sent PMs to the moderators of the forum informing them of what's happening.

The mods of which forum? Politics or ........ feedback?

GuanYin

O'Morris wrote: »

I've sent PMs to the moderators of the forum informing them of what's happening.

I assume you mean Feedback as I got no PM.

Your posts and thread were full of the same baseless crap that similar threads get closed for.

Oscarbravo got the before the rest of us so he gets the brunt of your stupid feedback thread. Hardly fair, seeing as any of us would have done the same. I may even have banned you.

When you learn to post intelligently, you'll find your threads don't get closed as much.

O'Morris

javaboy wrote:

The mods of which forum? Politics or ........ feedback?

Feedback.

I'm referring to the practice of spamming these threads with those photoshopped images of animals.

GuanYin wrote:

Your posts and thread were full of the same baseless crap that similar threads get closed for.

Have you read the thread? If the thread was closed for baseless crap I would appreciate if that was made clear when it was closed, with examples of some of the baseless crap. That didn't happen when the thread was closed, according to oscarbravo is was closed for going around in circles.

The only baseless claim I made in the thread was related to a claim I repeated from the David McWilliams' book the generation game. I admitted that I was wrong to present it as a fact when it clearly wasn't a fact. The thread continued for a least a page after that post so whatever the reason for closing it, it's unlikely to be related to that one incident.

GuanYin wrote:

Oscarbravo got the before the rest of us so he gets the brunt of your stupid feedback thread.

Please try to keep it civil. If there's anything stupid about this thread then I'd be greatful if you'd point it out.

SimpleSam06

O'Morris wrote: »

I've sent PMs to the moderators of the forum informing them of what's happening.

Ah but we all enjoy seeing the lads' pussies.

There is a pattern emerging though, you get the short peremptory replies, then you get the thread closed after those replies are ignored, then you get the universal closing of ranks by people who never even participate in politics, lawl.

And then you get bullshit like this genius:

GuanYin wrote:

When you learn to post intelligently, you'll find your threads don't get closed as much.

Apparently handing out personal abuse when you didn't read anything but the thread title is grand now.

RoundyMooney

Honey-ec wrote: »

Ok, this is totally OT but I actually know the person who owns the dog in the "Bacon!" pic - how weird is that??? Her name is Binga.

The dog, that is, not the owner.

If that's the case, it's a pretty good capture. I commend the photographer.

But OT:

Bold OscarBravo!

/smacks OB with a rolled up copy of the Moderator Code of Practise, and proceeds to rub his nose in the pile of locked threads in the corner.

Hobbes

O'Morris wrote: »

Feedback.

I'm referring to the practice of spamming these threads with those photoshopped images of animals.

Have you read the thread? If the thread was closed for baseless crap I would appreciate if that was made clear when it was closed,

I think having some kind of super powers in a location based on where you are born is a load of crap. That would mean superman would never of been able to fly.

Please try to keep it civil. If there's anything stupid about this thread then I'd be greatful if you'd point it out.

no win situation.

Boston

Hobbes wrote: »

I think having some kind of super powers in a location based on where you are born is a load of crap. That would mean superman would never of been able to fly.

But superman did have superpowers based on where he was born, crypton. It had a red sun and so when he came to earth he had all these mad powers. tbh super man was a dirty border jumper of questionable religious faith and parentage and I'm still not convinced there wasn't an earthling that could of done his job.

Superman was a bastard scab immigrant from the south part of the galaxy. Go home superman, go home.

Simplicity

Boston wrote: »

But superman did have superpowers based on where he was born, crypton. It had a red sun and so when he came to earth he had all these made powers. tbh super man was a dirty border jumper of questionable religious faith and parentage and I'm still not convinced there wasn't an earthling that could of done his job.

Superman was a bastard scab immigrant from the south part of the galaxy. Go home superman, go home.

Issues!

regi

As one of the moderators of this forum, I'd just like to point out that I mainly read feedback to see lolcats

RoundyMooney

regi wrote: »

As one of the moderators of this forum, I'd just like to point out that I mainly read feedback to see lolcats

Won't somebody *please* think of the loldogs?

javaboy

RoundyMooney wrote: »

Won't somebody *please* think of the loldogs?

Don't waste your breath. The pro-cat anti-dog bias from the admins has been clear for some time. Fight da powah and such.

RoundyMooney

*rabble*

I can has lolbush?

MizzLolly

My Budgie's name is Oscar. Great name

O'Morris

I'm still waiting for a moderator to give a proper explanation for why the thread was closed.

Oscarbravo? You there big guy? Don't be afraid, you know old Mac is harmless. As I said, I didn't start this thread as a personal attack on you. I just want you to be a man and accept the consequences of your actions. Either re-open the thread or explain why you closed it.