Dublin Airport Chaos

CountingCrows

Looks like its a disaster out there, nothing moving

http://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-departures.asp

Kent Brockman: Professor, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?

Professor: Yes I would, Kent

Agent Smith

Apparently the radar system is fubar....

Gazza22

Tell me about it, i'm sitting in Schipol airport, Amsterdam, i should have been home about a half hour ago....almost another 3 hours before we depart..... :mad:

c - 13

Gazza22 wrote: »

Tell me about it, i'm sitting in Schipol airport, Amsterdam, i should have been home about a half hour ago....almost another 3 hours before we depart..... :mad:

Ah that sucks but it could be worse, Schipol isnt a bad airport to be stuck in.

I was stuck in Kuwait airport for about 8 hours before, no bar, no nothing.

BKtje

Something to do with the software not identifying planes correctly or something. Apparently solved very quickly, sure they probably just turned the system off and back on again and all was grand..

Although they are only allowing 14 planes to land per hour. I don't know if this is a safety precaution or if they are still having some problems.

Cool_CM

Agent Smith wrote: »

Apparently the radar system is fubar....

That's always their excuse, it's an international airport for christ sake, an operational radar is kind of important to have. In fairness the RAF managed to keep theirs working even though they were being bombed during WW2, what's DAA's excuse?

Steve_o

Cool_CM wrote: »

That's always their excuse, it's an international airport for christ sake, an operational radar is kind of important to have. In fairness the RAF managed to keep theirs working even though they were being bombed during WW2, what's DAA's excuse?

Its DAA... they need no excuse, you'd also imagine that a big international airport would have some form of back-up for this scenario,...

therecklessone

Steve_o wrote: »

Its DAA... they need no excuse

No it's not, it's the IAA.

Ross_Mahon

Steve_o wrote: »

Its DAA... they need no excuse, you'd also imagine that a big international airport would have some form of back-up for this scenario,...

John McClane :cool:

CountingCrows

therecklessone wrote: »

No it's not, it's the IAA.

Naturally no update on there website, but I did notice this;

The management and staff of the IAA are committed to ensuring the provision of Air Navigation Services and Safety Regulation, which fully meet the requirements of our customers and regulated clients. It is our aim to become world class in the aviation sector by setting and achieving the highest standards of excellence in the services we provide.

Reganio 2

Did they wipe their penis on it to get it working?

ronnie3585

Reganio 2 wrote: »

Did they wipe their penis on it to get it working?

Twice.

Reganio 2

Should be working grand then. As everybody knows, its the cause and soloution to all life's problems. Like beer really.

ART6

Dunno what the fuss is about. Dublin Airport is a wonderful, magical place. You can't get to it, and even if you do you can't fly anywhere. If you try to fly into it you can't, and if you do manage to you can't get out of it. Highly environmentally conscious too -- no-one goes anywhere so no carbon emissions:D

chopperbyrne

I stop working for the DAA on Friday and it only took four days for a disaster!

c - 13

Well done DAA, you got a mention on the evening headlines on Radio Bahrain

JBoyle4eva

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0709/air.html

Keano

Did they not do the old switch her off then back on again trick.

beautiation

Who needs radar? Time for the pilots to earn their massive wages, if they're that good they can swerve their way through no problem.

Random

Dam right. Give them some horns and some sunglasses and we'll be grand.

beautiation

random wrote: »

Dam right. Give them some horns and some sunglasses and we'll be grand.

Exactly! We all drive home safe every day in much heavier traffic, and they have a whole extra direction to avoid people in.

Random

beautiation wrote: »

Exactly! We all drive home safe every day in much heavier traffic, and they have a whole extra direction to avoid people in.

Losing the radar and air traffic control is like AA Roadwatch going off the air! No biggy!

beautiation

random wrote: »

Losing the radar and air traffic control is like AA Roadwatch going off the air! No biggy!

That's the way. So they might have to forego getting fellated by the air stewardess in order to concentrate for once, boo-hoo! :pac:

sdanseo

LOL at the attiudes in here, planes cant and dont behave like cars. For one they're going at least ten times faster than Dublin traffic.

None of this is the DAA's fault at all anyway, it's the IAA, they're in charge of the radar.

beautiation

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Wow you all clearly lack the capability to fathom how complicated air travel is. This was done to prevent accidents. If two planes hit each other, that's 400-700 people and ~50-100 tonnes of fuel most likely over a housing estate. Not your ordinary rear-ender.

FFS.

None of this is the DAA's fault at all anyway, it's the IAA, they're in charge of the radar.

:pac:

Random

sdonn_1 wrote: »

Wow you have no idea how complicated air travel is. This was done to prevent accidents. If two planes hit each other (at 250kts which is 500km/hr), that's 400-700 people and ~50-100 tonnes of fuel most likely over a housing estate. Not your ordinary rear-ender.

None of this is the DAA's fault at all anyway, it's the IAA, they're in charge of the radar.

Really? You mean they use the radar a lot ?

connundrum

Ragin for my parents, their flight to LGW was cancelled, causing them to miss their onward connecting flight to Cape Town.

Air Namibia can acomodate them on the 23rd at the earliest.

They didn't take out travel insurance.

Rage.

Oh and I've been looking up one way prices for them to leave in the next 5 - 10 days... €2k minimum.

Further rage.

Toto Wolfcastle

Stupid airport making me get the train. I'm driving next time!

beautiation

janeybabe wrote: »

Stupid airport making me get the train. I'm driving next time!

Aw, now I wanna watch "Trains, Planes and Automobiles".

Sherifu

Good thing it happened now. *crosses fingers*

Gazza22

Gazza22 wrote: »

Tell me about it, i'm sitting in Schipol airport, Amsterdam, i should have been home about a half hour ago....almost another 3 hours before we depart..... :mad:

c - 13 wrote: »

Ah that sucks but it could be worse, Schipol isnt a bad airport to be stuck in.

I was stuck in Kuwait airport for about 8 hours before, no bar, no nothing.

Just an update on my disaster of a day....

That 3 hours delay turned into a 8 hour delay which included a divert to Belfast, a change of pilots (they were too tired), then a chnge of cabin crew....then eventually a flight from Belfast to Dublin.

OH! And i forgot to mention we got a €2.50 refreshment voucher for our troubles! :rolleyes:

Mossy Monk

Thank Christ this didn't happen 24 hours earlier.

Jules

why?

c - 13

Gazza22 wrote: »

Just an update on my disaster of a day....

That 3 hours delay turned into a 8 hour delay which included a divert to Belfast, a change of pilots (they were too tired), then a chnge of cabin crew....then eventually a flight from Belfast to Dublin.

OH! And i forgot to mention we got a €2.50 refreshment voucher for our troubles! :rolleyes:

Letter of complaint to DAA. Probably wont get you anything but I have been refunded at least partial flight costs from KLM before when flights were canceled.

Aurora Borealis

Don't get how the IAA operate at all. They just don 't seem to have enough controllers. There were the ATC strikes not so long back because of OT conditions etc and now this. Would it not seem that they need to look at training and recruiting a lot more ATCOs to deal with these problems. Not sure what their current intake is on courses but do know there was a freeze of sorts on in the last few years.

Flights so far seem to be fairly normal this morning-leaving either on time or with a 15 or 20 min delay which wouldn't be out of the ordinary.

Thats according to the DAA website

However,I'm told thats a very deceiving website in that those times are push back times ie for when the plane leaves the air bridge.

It could be queuing on the runway for another 2 hrs and thats where the problem starts as the queues just back up and by lunchtime you are canceling flights galore.

IvyTheTerrible

c - 13 wrote: »

Letter of complaint to DAA. Probably wont get you anything but I have been refunded at least partial flight costs from KLM before when flights were canceled.

I heard earlier on Morning Ireland, that the airlines won't refund anybody anything because the delays aren't their fault. They said to contact both DAA and the international aviation authority (I think that's the name).

I hope it won't last too much longer...I'm escaping from the island next week,,,

kerry4sam

What i find most worrying about this is that for 10mins yesterday anyone could have entered the Irish Air-Space and we were none the wiser :eek:

Toto Wolfcastle

kerry4sam wrote: »

What i find most worrying about this is that for 10mins yesterday anyone could have entered the irish Air-Space and we were none the wiser :eek:

Yeah...but if you really think about it, who the hell would want to ented depressionville?

kerry4sam

kerry4sam wrote: »

What i find most worrying about this is that for 10mins yesterday anyone could have entered the Irish Air-Space and we were none the wiser :eek:

janeybabe wrote: »

Yeah...but if you really think about it, who the hell would want to ented depressionville?

people have taken advantage of less important situations

therecklessone

kerry4sam wrote: »

What i find most worrying about this is that for 10mins yesterday anyone could have entered the Irish Air-Space and we were none the wiser :eek:

That's not strictly true.

The radar data processing system failed, but raw radar data would still have been available on the screens.

Steve_o

Aurora Borealis wrote: »

Don't get how the IAA operate at all. They just don 't seem to have enough controllers. There were the ATC strikes not so long back because of OT conditions etc and now this. Would it not seem that they need to look at training and recruiting a lot more ATCOs to deal with these problems. Not sure what their current intake is on courses but do know there was a freeze of sorts on in the last few years.

I don't think its a lack of controllers tbh, its a lack of a backup plan, Pat Ryan of the IAA was on the radio goin on about "Plan B" this morning, but plan be is nothing more than a reaction to a fire IMO, their plan B is to effectively shut the airport down... as Michael O'Leary said earlier, 1 - 2 hour delays now will cause 4 - 5 hr delays later due to back logging... madness i tells ya!!

Piste

Hmm hope my parents make it back from London tonight, they have presents for me!

CountingCrows

Piste wrote: »

Hmm hope my parents make it back from London tonight, they have presents for me!

Any chance it'll be a monarch's head?

JackKelly

my dad got stuck in London yesterday because of this.

Earlier in the evening, the Aer Lingus website was advertising a full refund to any passenger effected. The link seemed to disappear a few hours later though. It was also mentioned in the paper that airlines were entitled to provide a full refund in a situation like this.

It's a joke shop whichever way you look at it. How could the entire radar system, obviously completely crucial to the running of the airport, just fail.

I booked him another flight today to Belfast anyway, so hopefully he'll catch the connecting Air Coach.

Vic Mackay

Funny Michael O'Leary clip:
http://www.break.com/index/bold-sales-proposal.html

Piste

CountingCrows wrote: »

Any chance it'll be a monarch's head?

I can only dream

Peteee

kerry4sam wrote: »

What i find most worrying about this is that for 10mins yesterday anyone could have entered the Irish Air-Space and we were none the wiser :eek:

Not like the Irish Air Corp could have actually done anything anyway! :pac:

mumhaabu

Sail & Rail FTW!

beautiation

kerry4sam wrote: »

What i find most worrying about this is that for 10mins yesterday anyone could have entered the Irish Air-Space and we were none the wiser :eek:

I think Will Smith drove into our mothership and uploaded a virus!