More Anti Piracy Orwellian ****e!

Nick_oliveri

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7492907.stm
Piracy plan

MEPs are due to vote on the so-called Telecom Packet on 7 July. The core proposals in the packet were drawn up to help European telecoms firms cope with the rapid pace of change in the industry.

Technological and industry changes that did not respect borders had highlighted the limitations of Europe's current approach which sees national governments oversee their telecoms markets.

"The current fragmentation hinders investment and is detrimental to consumers and operators," says the EU document laying out the proposals.

But, say digital rights campaigners, anti-piracy lobbyists have hijacked the telecoms laws and tabled amendments that turn dry proposals on industry reform into an assault on the freedom of net users.

Among the amendments are calls to enact a Europe-wide "three strikes" law. This would see users banned from the web if they fail to heed three warnings that they are suspected of putting copyrighted works on file-sharing networks.

In addition it bestows powers on governments to decide which programs can be "lawfully" used on the internet.

A coalition of European digital rights groups have banded together to galvanise opposition.

"[The amendments] pave the way for the monitoring and filtering of the internet by private companies, exceptional courts and Orwellian technical measures," said Christophe Espern, co-founder of French rights group La Quadrature du Net (Squaring the Net) in a statement.

I find this next quote very amusing.

"Tomorrow, popular software applications like Skype or even Firefox might be declared illegal in Europe if they are not certified by an administrative authority," warned Benjamin Henrion, FFII representative in Brussels, in a statement.

I demand outrage! :pac: Teh Hinternets is moving away from its original conception to a diffferent stage. Now we all know that all our emails and all that are being monitored and stored for three years....

This is the stage or control, everything must be controlled, and whos goin to win in a fight between the average Pat and the large Corporations? Ive just about had enough of all this.

I mean what next? Forcible web filtering?

andrew

demand outrage! Teh Hinternets is moving away from its original conception to a diffferent stage. Now we all know that all our emails and all that are being monitored and stored for three years....

Are you being sarcastic? I genuinely can't tell

nyarlothothep

sucks, the internet is/was great for it anarchistic topology, it was a melting pot for an almost limitless diversity of interests. Of course corporations **** that they are have to, just have to control everything. Corporations have the same legal rights as individuals and if we were to equate them to individuals they would by psychopaths, so in response, if the internet becomes controlled by them, fighting back by any means necessary would imo be very reasonable and well deserved.

Nick_oliveri

andrew wrote: »

Are you being sarcastic? I genuinely can't tell

Yes and no. No to the latter part about emails being monitored.
http://www.digitalrights.ie/2008/06/04/irish-times-opinion-piece-on-data-retention/

Its already in effect. I posted a second thread here about it at the time.
Whether any Irish ISP has the means for such surveillence, is a matter of opinion.

brianthebard

Where do i sign up to the revolution?

Nick_oliveri

We shall create an internet that far surpasses the current internet in terms of chaos. Spam shall reign supreme.

Artists conception:
http://schlitt.info/applications/blog/uploads/LAN_gesamtansicht.JPG

utick

tbh the internet will probably go the way of television, in that most of the good stuff you will have to pay to view, indeed it already has with alot of newspaper sites requireing subscriptions (some paid some unpaid, but we are heading in a direction where we will have to pay for all of them im sure)

Sherifu

You can't stop the rock. We are the Internets, we will adapt.

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

We shall create an internet that far surpasses the current internet in terms of chaos. Spam shall reign supreme.

Artists conception:
http://schlitt.info/applications/blog/uploads/LAN_gesamtansicht.JPG

That's a fire waiting to happen.

humanji

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

I demand outrage! :pac: Teh Hinternets is moving away from its original conception to a diffferent stage.

Wasn't the original concept a means for the US military to exchange data?

Regardless, it's a fairly crappy idea, but I'd have to say it's more stupidity than an underhanded attempt to control everything. Otherwise, I can't see why Henrion would say something that stupid, that would make these underhanded plans fairly obvious.

andrew

Sure we can all just use the new super fast network developed by CERN for the LHC. I'm sure they won't mind

Max_Damage

Ah well.

jester77

They'll be trying to ban the pron next, down with this sort of thing, I'm off to Sealand!

seamus

utick wrote: »

tbh the internet will probably go the way of television, in that most of the good stuff you will have to pay to view, indeed it already has with alot of newspaper sites requireing subscriptions (some paid some unpaid, but we are heading in a direction where we will have to pay for all of them im sure)

Such a move would require a fundamental change in the way the internet operates.
As it is, there is nothing stopping someone from plugging a box in and running a web server.

If some sites want to go pay-view (as many have), then that's their perogative.

What's more likely is that ISPs will start building "packages", much like satellite providers whereby your broadband subscription automatically includes full access to certain pay-view sites, and full access to all free sites.
This means that free sites will be pushed more to the fringes while pay-view sites will have spent more money on advertising and so forth.

The idea of a country "authorising" software for internet use is laughable. All a distributor has to do is move their server to a country with no interest in such a thing and allow people to download from there. What will the government do - scan people's computers for the program and prosecute them?

Duggy747

Meh.....

Big deal now, no deal in a month's time.

Policing the interweb is liking telling me not to release ass gas; no matter what you do, it's still gonna happen!

Everybody thought our civil liberties and souls were being crushed when they said they were shutting down Napster, Gnutella, WinMX, and all those file-sharing programs years ago..................now look where we are, still able to get music and movies pretty goddamn easy. (Though Limewire and the likes are goldmines for viruses!)

Wazdakka

I honestly believe that the Internet is almost un-censurable..
They can try there best but at the end of the day the net is the play thing for the worlds smartest programmers, developers, cryptologist's, and basically just about everybody these censors are going to rely on to enforce these new rules.

Now I'm pretty sure these people like Teh Tinternet the way it is...

Even if the unthinkable does happen and they manage, through the ISP's or otherwise to censor or put a price tag on the internet...

I would share my files and ideas ect with my friends, I'd say soon enough we would make a small private Wide area network of our Pc's..
I'd Imagine alot of other people over the world would do something similar.
All of a sudden people who share the same ideas expand the network and link up with other people they know...
Can ya see whats happening here?

By nature of what the internet is, It'd be insanely difficult in any form of free state to censor or stop it.
They can choke the ISP's but as long as there is a market for the type of user , they're not going to want to loose out on that money and even they'll fight the battle as well.

Its so over the top and cliche, but its almost true.
"You can stop me, but you cant stop us all"

FIGHT THE POWAH!!!!!!111!!!11!!one!!Eleventy!!!!2!!11

Duggy747

Heh, reminds me of what John Waters said on a Sunday paper. He had realised people weren't saying nice things about him on Wikipedia and he was considerably upset and is all up for internet policing.

Pffft, he talks a load of shìte anyways!

Wazdakka

Duggy747 wrote: »

Pffft, he talks a load of shìte anyways!

Shhh You'lls have him after boards next..

Oh Shi.....

Wagon

Wazdakka wrote: »

I would share my files and ideas ect with my friends, I'd say soon enough we would make a small private Wide area network of our Pc's..
I'd Imagine alot of other people over the world would do something similar.
All of a sudden people who share the same ideas expand the network and link up with other people they know...
Can ya see whats happening here?

Ah yes, private networking. Mate of mine built a server for a few hundred quid, ill probably do the same Get 20 people to build a server each and you got about 80 terabytes of stuff. Get their mates to do the same. It's like bebo, but beneficial.

Vic Mackay

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Teh Hinternets

What?

Run_to_da_hills

I always had my doubts about skype and other VOIP servers because of the anonymity of them, just like unregistered RTG sim packs I can soon see them becoming outlawed or having to have compulsory registration.

Internet shops of the future will all have to be licensed and will be dotted with CCTV and mandatory built in web cams. You will not be able to access an account without your new personal Euro smart ID card. All this will be done in help fight "Global Terrorism". It will eventually be illegal to operate any computer that is not registered for being on the internet and severe fines will be imposed for unauthorized piggybacking on wifi accounts.

Wazdakka

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I always had my doubts about skype and other VOIP servers because of the anonymity of them, just like unregistered RTG sim packs I can soon see them becoming outlawed or having to have compulsory registration.

Internet shops of the future will all have to be licensed and will be dotted with CCTV and mandatory built in web cams. You will not be able to access an account without your new personal Euro smart ID card. All this will be done in help fight "Global Terrorism". It will eventually be illegal to operate any computer that is not registered for being on the internet and severe fines will be imposed for unauthorized piggybacking on wifi accounts.

George Orwell would be proud of ya for that one

Black Swan

humanji wrote: »

Wasn't the original concept a means for the US military to exchange data?

US universities and military paid for by US taxpayers. Expanded from there. Corporate middle-men got between the Internet and the user, making a fortune to this day. Attempts by city governments in the USA to offer free access to the Internet for their citizens are being challenged by the for-profit corporations. For example, a bill was passed in the State of Pennsylvania to outlaw cities in that state from offering free Internet access to their citizens (Verizon was a major contributor to the campaigns of those politicians that voted to block free city access).

Run_to_da_hills

Wazdakka wrote: »

George Orwell would be proud of ya for that one

And this would be only the start of it :eek:

This will soon be the Square when we will all be issued with our Euro Id cards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVmD4iTXRLE

Nick_oliveri

Where are we going to get all the cat5?...

Seriously though, "decide which programs can be lawfully used on the internet.".

Oh im sorry Mr Asshole, you must not have heard me...
*picks up a megaphone
"Why dont you suck mah balls"

Its like a late April fools joke. Next we'll be getting microchips, electro cock rings....etc

Wagon

Well, any respectable techhead should have his/her own server with a couple of terabytes of good proper crap for everyone to share. I think that's the only way. As long as it's connected to a private network then your laughing. Free transfer of information over a little community to play games, chat, transfer videos, mail, music etc... is the future. The bit about Firefox perhaps going illegal is what absolutely irritates the **** out of me. I'll NEVER EVER settle for IE. NEVER!!!!:mad: *eats Vista CD angrily but passionatly*

Nick_oliveri

Lol @ CD eating.

Tbh, and i dont mean anything against your passion... **** firefox, and all other browsers... its the principle of the matter.

This is the Internet, here is an EU approved list of legal programs for use on the Internet.

:IE7
:MSPaint
:Internet Checkers

What then, might i add, will happen to Linux? Or Steam, or any other online game that uses an exe file to connect to the Internet? Or the PS3 browser/online games, 360 browser/online games? Mobile Phone internet apps....

This world though, its truly gone quite special. Hard not to laugh really. Ahh we dont like your freedom its not fair.

Wazdakka

Just remembered about This aswell..

Duggy747

It's practically impossible to implement such a thing like this. What company (Hmm, maybe Microsoft) would agree to such a thing? The entire idea of the Internet would have to be completely re-thought in order to monitor people. This could've been done when the Interweb became public but certainly not now.

Unbelievable what shìte-hawking they'll come up with. Remember the whole fiasco with guitar-tabs? Tons of sites shut down (including a favourite of mine, taborama.com) cuz these tabs were seen as copyright infringement...........ie; "people aren't buying our gloriously over-priced tab books!"

And the whole thing with porn sites where they were expected to keep a log of every single thing. A pretty impossible feat that was designed to shut down these sites.

I tells ya, come next year they'll be wanting to put us in pods and use us as batteries while they build and we're kept in a virtual world that we perceive as real but in fact.....................oh, wait..............that's The Matrix I'm thinking of!