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khan's new trainer
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07-07-2008 1:12pm#1
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Hero Of College wrote: »Whats the rush with Khan????
We already know he is going to MISS the deadline to become the youngest British World Champ ever.
So whats the hurry?
Besides, whoever Khan fights next, his opponent after that is going to be AAA, so where's the impetus for a new trainer?
If he can't beat TBA and AAA with his current setup, then he isn't going nowhere.
That dealine passes before his next fight takes place, it was never realistic in the first place and I don't think any(unbiased) person believed Warren would even have given him the chance by now .
Roach is going to be his trainer:, if Khan moves to America while training this is a good move(obviously having resigned with Warren he will mainly fight in the UK), if not and he is trained like Alex Arthur was by Roach(that's before and upto the Gomez fight) then his defence isn't going to improve at all .0 -
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Good quote there Hero ...... just like Bernard Dunne was with Freddy wasnt he ?
Anyway , Roach is suffering from Parkinsons , and its taking effect . He's not so much hands on physically as i believe.
Didnt get to see Manny work outs pre diaz fight , but I would be surprised if roach still does the pads for him.
Even still , he will be mixing with a much higher calibre fighter in the Wild-Card gym.
I think the reason for Khan is raising his profile in USA.
He might just gain notice now that he is associated with a established name like Roach. As much as he is talked about here , he's almost unmentioned in the US boxing media circles.
Theres far too many talents @ lightweight , Khan dosent impose on any of them.
The best thing to do for Khan and Warren is to finally let him fight somebody that shall give Khan respect if he should win.
When people talk of Khan , its always about his lack of credibility as a world class boxer.
Nobody can really vouch for him , not even walshB
He's obviously got something good , as he made the olympics and did well.
But since turning pro , he has consistently fought under-weight fighters, and not only a division or 2 below lightweight , but these guys are known to be particularly light fisted .
The other match-type that can fool the average public is to fight established names that have long lost the abilty to fit into the upper echelon of the sport.
AKA fighting Gomez / or Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Junior is a classic example.
Best o luck to Khan , but he got it the easy way. He has a promoter/investor who is carving the easiest possible path to stardom. And thats fair enough , he's been lucky to have such advantage.
If he was a South American from the barrios he would have had to fight and beat top tier tough nuts all through his career to have any chance of being noticed.
Most top boxers prevailed against all the odds , from lives with the slimmest chance of sucess.0 -
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Derrick Gainer -
Only managed to win 3 of his last 6 fights.
Coming out of retirement.
hasnt fought in well over a year
Belongs to the Featherweight division
37 years old
Hasnt had a KO victory in 7 years.
More world class opponents for Khan , Fwarren's a disgrace.
Time will slip by , and Khan will find himself being 35 years old before he gets a P4P match-up.
It's not confirmed by any means but he was previously offered the fight but had to turn it down as he was fighting on the Calzaghe v Jones bill then pencilled in for September. However he may now be available again.
In the mean time Sports Network also offered the fight to John 'Fireball' Fewkes http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=271946&cat=boxer, Fewkes isn't actually a bad boxer but that ko record does indeed tell the whole story and he's not as skilled, experienced or as guileful as Willie Limond.
Fewkes's team told Warren come back with more money and it will happen, so instead Fewkes is fighting Martin Gethin for the vacant English title, a fight which if he wins will give him a mandatory shot at the British title. Held by none other than John Murray.........the man Khan should be facing.
Now I had been a big fan of Murray for quite some time, but some unspiring performances back to back and constantly failing to reach the level he had set himself early in his career left me feeling maybe he wasn't as good as I thought he was. You'd always hear the stories of how good he was in sparring(and that's from other fighters eg Michael Gomez) and Murray would claim that it was these short notice bouts and low key fights had caused the poor performances. That when he knew who his opponent was and was motivated he would show his level.
He had done that against Dean Hickman, destroying him impressively in just 4 rounds. But Hickman isn't even at British level and when John fought poorly against a Mexican in vegas and then fought terribly against(admittedly very tough) journeyman Youssef Al Hamidi it looked as if John Murray was more myth than matter.
But to be fair to him, The Al Hamidi fight was when Murray was originally meant to be taking on John Fewkes, Fewkes cancelled not long before the fight and as John Murray was going to be the night before the fight an opponent hadn't been found and as far as he was concerned there was a strong chance he wouldn't be fighting the next day. He woke up the next morning and was told he was facing Al Hamidi who while having a poor looking record has given some big names in domestic British boxing more than a scare and recently beat prospect Anthony Crolla.
Murray looked crap, I wrote him off completely for the first time and with a lot of disappointment in my heart as I had felt early in his career he could become World Class. Good chance he'll still never reach that but I was starting to think he wouldn't even win a British title.
Fast forward two months and he's in against an albeit slightly faded Lee Meager. Then we got this:
Murray was controlled, patient, picked his shots well and just dismantled Meager.
Warren will look to avoid Murray now, but how long is it going to take for Khan to step up to European level never mind World if he's still avoiding domestic challenges ?
We kept hearing(from Warren) that Khan would fight Yuri Romanov soon, Romanov was always named as prospective opponent. Eventually Warren waited long enough that Romanov moved beyond European level and up to World.
The now vacant title will be fought between John Thaxton(a faded fighter who was taken apart by Romanov but still carries plenty of power and heart) and Juan Carlos Melero Diaz, the former champion from Spain who was knocked out by Romanov but is pretty decent if a bit basic in the way he fights.
Khan may take on Thaxton if he loses that fight, which I suspect he will.
Both fighters would have to look terrible for Warren to take on the winner.
The Gomez fight has put Warren in a terrible position. To the outside World everything looked to be going well with the win over Gairy St.Clair, who has proved to be a shadow of his former self since the Khan fight. St.Clair was at his best as a Featherweight anyway and he was a very small Super-Featherweight despite mainly operating at that weight and picking up a title at it.
Which was followed with what seemed another progressive win in a World title 'Eliminator', while technically an eliminator it was never specified if it was a final eliminator, semi-final etc. In effect it turned out as a process to remove the seriously inflated rank of Martin Kristjansen the Dane who should have been nowhere near as high in the World rankings and didn't even deserve(or hold) a place as high in the European rankings.
Michael Gomez brought everything back down to earth, Gomez gave a spirited display but showed the level he's at now in the Johanneson fight before it. Not a bad challenger for the British Super-Featherweight title nowdays but he ultimately came up very short and showed how far Khan still has to come.
Michael Gomez partially threw forward something I suspected all along, that Khan's best opponent to date has been Willie Limond and since that fight over a year ago when Khan was in his greatest difficulty, in the 5 fights since he hasn't gone back up to that level. Kristjansen was a poorer more limited version of Limond. Limond is very smart in his defensive, he carries extremely good handspeed for a domestic/European level fighter(although obviously slower than Khan) and technically in many ways he's a better fighter than Khan. Khan's physical abilities allowed him to overcome this.
Many people forget that Limond didn't just land one flurry of punches in that fight to get Khan in trouble. He made it a close competitive fight that had Khan thinking 'Allah what am I meant to do here ?'. I had Limond a point ahead after 6(the knockdown round) with it 3 a piece. Khan subsequently proved he does have one intangible in heart as he turned things around to drop Limond in the next and a sustained attack in the 8th convinced Limond's corner to retire their fighter with a suspected broken jaw. Limond's jaw actually wasn't broken but he did have a perforated eardrum.
I think the best fight Khan could have for his next fight that is a rematch with Willie Limond to tell us how far Khan has really come. A perfect chance for the new trainer to show improvements he has made. But that fight can't be made, because Willie Limond has ambitiously taken an offer to fight Ukrainian Jew Dmitry Salita in New York up at Light-Welterweight. Salita often fights at full blown Welterweight and is none as a big puncher aswell as being pretty slick.
The advantage with managing a fighter like Limond is you can take risks like that and if they pay off great, if they don't once the fighter isn't physically harmed then no harm is done.
But if you've got yourself A Golden Egg prospect you can't just treat it like anything else. You've got to milk it for all it's worth and maybe some day it will hatch into a fiery all conquering bird of prey. Warren just better hope if that is the plan, that it doesn't fly away.
After all he's got enough trouble suing Hatton in the past and Calzaghe now.0 -
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I can't see any reason to rematch with Willie. He beat the guy clearly by TKO and to match again would IMO be a step BACK!
He did indeed get back up and won, in a quite convincing manner. Doesn't take away from something I should have pointed out earlier on which is that Khan should have been counted out.
You can see the referee count to 9, stop when Khan goes back down and then tell him to get back up and put his guard up. Doing his job he would have counted 10 and there would of been his first defeat.
I don't see how Limond could be anything other than a step sideways at worst, Lawton, Earl, St.Clair, Kristjansen and Gomez have been step backs compared to Limond so it with actually be Khan stepping forward again.
I like Khan as a fighter, he's exciting to watch and always carries the serious threat that he could lose at any moment aswell as being able to take the opponent out. But there is more than his chin that will stop him dominating. His defense is still poor and it's poor as a result of the way his offence is.
Over 3 years into his pro career and he's still making amateur mistakes and coming in, in straight lines.
A major problem that the trainer they have got him(Rubio) is known from his days as a Cuban amateur trainer, and when Khan's mistakes are that he hasn't rid himself of his amateur style then appointing someone who has done little in the pros himself and is known for his work in the amateurs isn't a great idea.
He hasn't shown he can dominate in Britain, to even talk about World level before he steps up against so more domestic opponents and then European level is premature.0 -
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