Someone allowed my child to Fry

TequilaMockingBird

:mad:

After almost 8 years I have managed to ensure my daughter has never gotten sun-burned. 8 long years of grease, stained clothes and expensive creams...

...then she goes on a Summer Camp day trip to the beach and comes home roasted.

So about 100 kids, about 50 adults and NO-ONE thought these kids might burn??:rolleyes:




Rant over.

Loopy

That's ridiculous... Don't blame you being so annoyed.. There are some people that still have the mentality, ah sure its Ireland, we won't burn and they only use sun cream abroad...

snellers

I guess a lesson to us all....don't assume anything (that those in charge all have their head screwed on)

hope the little'un is ok :-)

TequilaMockingBird

Thanks, she'll be ok, its just horrible to see her wincing with the pain of it. I think it may be starting to blister.

I wouldn't mind but I was laughing packing her bag: swimsuit/warm jumper/suncream/raincoat/sunglasses/warm socks/sun-hat/hood for raincoat. The typical Irish summer preparations!

I knew that maybe they wouldn't be able to actually apply the cream on her, but she's well able to do it herself, but would need to be told to do so. Or even if they just told them to put a t-shirt on or cover up. They were told to bring swimsuits, which was fairly pointless as she knows not to swim in the sea unless I'm with her, so she was just paddling and playing in the sand.

Tony Broke

Question has to be asked, why didnt you put suncream on her in the morning?

You knew she was going to the beach.

Not trolling, just asking

MagicMarker

Oh no!!! Maybe you should wrap her up in bubblewrap so no more harm comes to her? While you're at it, go and talk to a solicitor about taking legal action.

If she knows not to swim unless you're with her, why doesn't she know to put on suncream without being told to do so?

I think you're over reacting slightly to something which was inevitable at some stage in her life!!

SarahMc

Why did you not apply the suncream in the morning? It almost certainly would be against their child protection policy to apply suncream on the children.

January

Suncream wears off during the day and has to be reapplied, maybe she did put it on her that morning, and it wore off.

OP, it was going to happen sometime in her life, might as well be when she is young so she can get used to it and when she is older she'll be more aware to put suncream on so as not to get burned.

Tony Broke

adrieanne__x wrote: »

Suncream wears off during the day and has to be reapplied, maybe she did put it on her that morning, and it wore off.

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No it dont.

P20 Once-A-Day Sunfilter perphaps, like Sarah says you cant have up to " 50 adults " applying suncream on children not of their own.That would be crazy.

ntlbell

adrieanne__x wrote: »

Suncream wears off during the day and has to be reapplied, maybe she did put it on her that morning, and it wore off.

OP, it was going to happen sometime in her life, might as well be when she is young so she can get used to it and when she is older she'll be more aware to put suncream on so as not to get burned.

there is also protection you can take in tablet form that will last all day...

blaming "someone" else for your child not wearing suncream...

what next..

Nea

God remember when we had good summers in the 80's when we were kids and had no money for sun screen!

As a proud mammy to an 18 week old I find it hard trying to put on the approrpriate clothing on in this schizophrenic weather never mind the factor 50 when the sun appears.

LadyE

Sorry was going to say the same. You cant blame someone else here. You shoudl have made sure she had some on before she left. You maybe should have reminded your daughter about the sun screen maybe too, ok she was playing and stuff..she might be repsonsbile enough..and would have felt her skin getting hot/burning?

Try the p20..its brilliant.

the_syco

OP: would you prefer some old guy rubbed sun cream all over your child?

I ask, as that is what it boils down to. Unless the child does it themselves, I'd say most adults who are not the parents wouldn't touch the child, in fear of being called a pedo.

TequilaMockingBird

Morning all. Thanks for your lovely comments, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy that we have such an understanding Parenting community here on Boards.


No, I'm not going to sue.
No, I didn't put suncream on her in the morning as she was going to the beach in the afternoon.
No, I don't wrap her in bubble wrap.
No. I didn't expect anyone to be allowed to put cream on her.
No, funnily enough she's not likely to put suncream on herself unprompted.
No, she wouldn't have felt herself burning as she has never burnt before and wouldn't know the consequences. She does now.

To those who didn't jump on their high horses, thanks, and I must find the once-a-day stuff, even if its not totally effective it would be better than nothing. Cheers.

MagicMarker

sueme wrote: »

No. I didn't expect anyone to be allowed to put cream on her.

Sooo, you didn't expect anyone to be allowed put suncream on her and you knew she wouldn't do it herself?

I see, so that would make all this your fault wouldn't it? So, the title of the thread should be...

''I allowed my child to fry - but i'll blame everyone else''

TequilaMockingBird

As I said here:

sueme wrote: »

I knew that maybe they wouldn't be able to actually apply the cream on her, but she's well able to do it herself, but would need to be told to do so. Or even if they just told them to put a t-shirt on or cover up.

Nea

I would hope that years down the road if I sent my lad to a summer camp that I could rely on someone to apply suncream on a hot day without having to think that a load of paedos are on that day trip.

As I said in my last post about having no sunscreen in the 80's, that didnt apply to the once yearly trip to the beach where we were all slathered with it.

I think you are perfectly right to be angry as an adult they were in the care of should have ensured all kids had some sort of sunscreen.

Hope your little one is over the pain now but as said above that it wont happen her again as she will ensure she has sunscreen applied.

TequilaMockingBird

Nea wrote: »

I would hope that years down the road if I sent my lad to a summer camp that I could rely on someone to apply suncream on a hot day without having to think that a load of paedos are on that day trip.

I doubt it, strangely enough though, her school have applied sunscreen to her, but her playschool couldn't.

Nea wrote: »

As I said in my last post about having no sunscreen in the 80's, that didnt apply to the once yearly trip to the beach where we were all slathered with it.

In my neck of the woods in the 80's the parents thought it was GREAT if the kids got sunburned! "You'll have luverly tan after that burning Little Johnny..."

Nea wrote: »

I think you are perfectly right to be angry as an adult they were in the care of should have ensured all kids had some sort of sunscreen.

This is my point, I'm not expecting them to do anything other than keep her safe. Surely one of the adults most have thought "Hey, its a little hot, lets get the kids to put their t-shirts on." They actually provide t-shirts and sun hats, so all the kids had them. My girl isn't particularly fair, so I'd imagine there's a lot of kids in a worse state than her.

Nea wrote: »

Hope your little one is over the pain now but as said above that it wont happen her again as she will ensure she has sunscreen applied.

She's much better this morning thanks. Yup, she learned the hard way. I think she understands now all the years of me bugging her saying "C'mere I've to put cream on you."

She's going through the wars at the moment, she fell last night and scraped/bruised her back, the day before she got her toe caught in a door and lifted her big toenail (ewwww), a girl pushed her over playing and she cut open her knee, and to top it off, she shut a drawer on her finger.

Maybe I will get that bubble wrap...

EDIT: Congratulations on your little one Nea!

Ludo

sueme wrote: »

She's going through the wars at the moment, she fell last night and scraped/bruised her back, the day before she got her toe caught in a door and lifted her big toenail (ewwww), a girl pushed her over playing and she cut open her knee, and to top it off, she shut a drawer on her finger.

Maybe I will get that bubble wrap...

LOL...sorry sueme , I know this isn't funny but for some reason it is. that is a real run of bad luck.

One of ours got a nasty burn a few weeks ago. He was only out in it for less than 3 mins and it wasn't even sunny. More of a wind burn maybe as it was very overcast. His whole face turned bright red later on that evening. Aloe vera did the trick though. He didnt even notice it as he was only 6 months old but it gave us one hell of a fright. Since then it was been sun block every time we go out.

Heinrich

How old is the child? If she is very small you put the stuff on her then pack the tube in her little bag and tell the person to whom you pass the child to that the sun cream is in her bag.

If, after that she comes home sunburnt then you bitch about it. The child is YOUR responsibility and that goes for knowing who to trust.

Has the child resumed summer camp?

TequilaMockingBird

Heinrich wrote: »

How old is the child?

Stated in opening post. Did you read it?

Heinrich wrote: »

If she is very small you put the stuff on her then pack the tube in her little bag

Done.

Heinrich wrote: »

and tell the person to whom you pass the child to that the sun cream is in her bag.

Done.

Heinrich wrote: »

If, after that she comes home sunburnt then you bitch about it.

Done.

Heinrich wrote: »

The child is YOUR responsibility and that goes for knowing who to trust.

I am fully aware she is MY responsibility thank you. I trusted a government funded child-care organisation to ensure she would be kept safe to the best of their ability.

Heinrich wrote: »

Has the child resumed summer camp?

Why? How is that relevant?

Heinrich

Originally Posted by Heinrich
The child is YOUR responsibility and that goes for knowing who to trust.

I am fully aware she is MY responsibility thank you. I trusted a government funded child-care organisation to ensure she would be kept safe to the best of their ability.

Originally Posted by Heinrich
Has the child resumed summer camp?

Why? How is that relevant?

It would be relevant if you sent her back for more sunburning.

The child is eight years old and should be well able to smear some lotion on herself after all the harangueing you were doing over the years...

Anybody watching a kid applying sunblock would immediately assist the child. There are other children besides your bubblewrapkid to be looked after. You do have the ultimate responsibility for your child.

I have been looking after children for a good many more years that you I'm sure and none of my charges have ever come to any harm.:rolleyes:

TequilaMockingBird

Heinrich wrote: »

It would be relevant if you sent her back for more sunburning.

Really?

Heinrich wrote: »

The child is eight years old and should be well able to smear some lotion on herself after all the harangueing you were doing over the years...

Again if you had read the thread, I said she is well able to do so.

Heinrich wrote: »

Anybody watching a kid applying sunblock would immediately assist the child.

Unfortunately not the case.

Heinrich wrote: »

There are other children besides your bubblewrapkid to be looked after.

Less of the personal abuse please.

Heinrich wrote: »

You do have the ultimate responsibility for your child.

I agree. Where have I disputed this?

Heinrich wrote: »

I have been looking after children for a good many more years that you I'm sure

How are you sure?

Heinrich wrote: »

and none of my charges have ever come to any harm.:rolleyes:

Which is generally what is expected of child-care workers, like the ones I sent my child to.

I really don't get your point. Or your use of ":rolleyes:".

Heinrich

Falling off high horses is even more painful than sunburn! I think you should simmer down a little. You say the child is well able to apply sunblock. I would say the contrary as she did get burned.

Yes I am certain that my charges never came to harm as they are now healthy adults and the have told me so themselves. Two of them look after theirs and one 5 year actually brushes her teeth without having to be told to do so. She does her little summer camp with stuff smeared all over her and does not come home burnt.:P

TequilaMockingBird

Heinrich wrote: »

Falling off high horses is even more painful than sunburn! I think you should simmer down a little. You say the child is well able to apply sunblock. I would say the contrary as she did get burned.

Yes I am certain that my charges never came to harm as they are now healthy adults and the have told me so themselves. Two of them look after theirs and one 5 year actually brushes her teeth without having to be told to do so. She does her little summer camp with stuff smeared all over her and does not come home burnt.:P

To be honest I can't be bothered to quote and pull you up on each of your incorrect points. You really need to read entire threads before making such accusations, and attempting to use such patronising tones. It makes you look a little foolish.

If, after reading the entire thread you still feel I am wrong, please quote the point you disagree with and I will be happy to debate it with you.

Heinrich

I certainly never looked foolish to any child or parent which I looked after! Never had sunburnt kids either, thats what the foolish sunhats were for.

There is not much to discuss but leaving aside my patronising I think you are over protective of your child in a wrong way. Put sunblock on her when she goes out in the sun and stop relying on others to do so. In fact she should be doing this herself and believe if she was the tube would be empty after every outing.

:rolleyes:

Ludo

Heinrich wrote: »

There is not much to discuss but leaving aside my patronising I think you are over protective of your child in a wrong way. Put sunblock on her when she goes out in the sun and stop relying on others to do so. In fact she should be doing this herself and believe if she was the tube would be empty after every outing.
:rolleyes:

HA HA HA...and to think YOU were accusing Sueme of being on a high horse!!!

snellers

facts are:

1: children burn easier than adults (and it is suggested that burning in early years can lead to skin problems in later life

2: if I was an adult in charge of children I would consider ALL dangers to them and eliminate them ....I do not think it too much to at least expect the people in charge ask the kids to apply suncream to their necks, arms and faces themselves if the weather was warm. (I;m not suggesting you allow the kid to be lathered 'all over' in cream by an 'old man' as someone suggested....that is a ridiculous comment)

kids will at some stage burn...very high chance of that as skin very prone ....and that is why I believe carers would have a duty of care to at least ask the children to cover up / apply cream to themselves .....mum has a responsibility to provide cream and all necessities for the trip......she should be able to rely upon those in charge to apply some common sense if weather dictates....if it rained would the carers demand the kids put on raincoats?...yes they would

yes we should accept these things are sometimes inevitable (child could have refused to apply cream or lied about it) - but I don't think it too much to expect those in charge of our children to have common sense....if it was their children I can pretty much guarantee they would have been covered up / suncreamed, and if not they would be accused of being irresponsible parents allowing their young children to burn.

BostonB

Even adults can forget to apply suncream to themselves, so I wouldn't be surprise if a child also forgot. But I would hope though that someone minding kids on a hot day would check each kids had cream on them. But there again it would be wasy to miss one kid out of 50.

Heinrich

Ludo wrote: »

HA HA HA...and to think YOU were accusing Sueme of being on a high horse!!!

I'm not the one bitchin'.:D

Now if the trend of blaming others agrees with you then don't let me spoil your equestrian pleasures.

TequilaMockingBird

@ Boston - This is the thing, it seems none of the kids were protected. In my opinion, its a fairly basic thing a carer needs to be aware of, along with crossing roads, seatbelts etc etc. The suncream thing is a hot topic (lol), but as I said stick a t-shirt and hat on and work away.

She's just had a bath (a cool one!) and the poor thing looks a wreck, with all the bruises, cuts and sunburn.

And we're off out for the day now, God knows what awaits us out there! Wish us luck!

littlemissbusy

My opinion; the child is 8 years old. She was in the care of adults on her trip to the beach, they should have ensured that she applied the sun cream. I help out with my son's school a lot when they go on outings and I have also worked in a summer camp type setting until quite recently. I personally as a responsible adult when out (with my own or other children in my care) make sure that the children all have suncream on and remind them every 2 hours or so to reapply. It's not that hard to do. My son who is nearly 11, now knows that day trips mean sun cream I have always been very particular about this being very fair skinned, but it's really only this year that he would actually reapply suncream of his own accord without reminding because he is aware of the health dangers. At 8 years old I would I imagine that Play, fun, excitment of trip was top of your child's agenda that day I'm not surprised your angry.

Nevyn

You know what gives me a warm fuzzy feeling when I don't log into boards for 24 hours and come back to see this charming thread, out of all the forum's I happen to mod maybe I am expecting too much to think that parents would behave in an adult fashion and abide by the rules of the forum.

If your child is to be in the care of someone else you need to know what is and is not permissible under the child protection act which they much act with in the bounds of at all times.

Parents have to take responsiblity and check with those they leave thier children with about such things as suncream, parents to be sure they think about what may happen and raise the topic before hand.

My 7 years old will ask for sunscreen to be but on and can use the spray bottle her self.

Ghost Girl

MagicMarker wrote: »

I think you're over reacting slightly to something which was inevitable at some stage in her life!!

Well I dont, if you knew some one who died as a result of skin cancer from sun burn (at 28 years of age!!) Then you would feel the same way. What iresponsible people didn't tell the kids to put on sun cream, disgrace, and unbelievable ignorance in this day and age. I'm sure the child will be fine, but these risks should not be taken, and every burn is one step closer to death.

snellers

a perfectly acceptable assumption that those in charge of children take care of the children is nothing to do with getting on your high horse blaming others......

as I mentioned before if it rained would the carers demand kids protect themselves or would they let them run around and get soaked through before sending em home to mum and dad? I am simply applying the same logic - it is a simple case of those in charge forgetting the sun in Ireland can be just as harmful as anywhere else and forgetting they should have made sure kids covered themselves either wear a hat / suncream.

I am not looking for recriminations towards those in charge but simply implying they should have been more responsibe - by the sounds of it the ratio of kids to adults was probably too high

snellers

Thaedydal wrote: »

You what gives me a warm fuzzy feeling when I don't log into boards for 24 hours and come back to see this charming thread, out of all the forum's I happen to mod maybe I am expecting too much to think that parents would behave in an adult fashion and abide by the rules of the forum.

not sure what rules are breached here? please advise what is wrong

Quality

snellers wrote: »

as I mentioned before if it rained would the carers demand kids protect themselves or would they let them run around and get soaked through before sending em home to mum and dad?

I think that is a very valid point snellers. I have to agree with what you have posted.



I would be disappointed if my child was away with one of her clubs and they neglected to ensure that she was adequately protected for the day.

Anyhow, I hope she is ok!!:)

MagicMarker

Ghost Girl wrote: »

Well I dont,

Congratulations.

Ghost Girl wrote: »

if you knew some one who died as a result of skin cancer from sun burn (at 28 years of age!!) Then you would feel the same way. What iresponsible people didn't tell the kids to put on sun cream, disgrace, and unbelievable ignorance in this day and age. I'm sure the child will be fine, but these risks should not be taken, and every burn is one step closer to death.

Morbid much?

I just fail to see what good it is to complain about something so trivial on a message board, especially when you blame others.

Yep, she got burned, guess what? she'll probably get burned again... She may even fall off her bike:eek: That's it! No bikes for her.

Scraped knees? No way hosay.. Boys? Not my girl, she wouldn't do such a thing. :rolleyes:

Really, it's all pretty pointless.

Quality

MagicMarker wrote: »

Congratulations.

Do you even have kids?

MagicMarker

Quality wrote: »

Do you even have kids?

You mean, apart from being one?

Quality

MagicMarker wrote: »

You mean, apart from being one?

That clears up a lot for me,

Thanks.:D

TequilaMockingBird

Ludo wrote: »

LOL...sorry sueme , I know this isn't funny but for some reason it is. that is a real run of bad luck.

It gets worse Ludo. Yesterday I got her to pick Lotto numbers for the first time, she was all excited, convinced we were going to win . I lost the ticket. :eek: Judging by her run of bad luck at the mo' its bound to be a winning ticket...

ntlbell

Quality wrote: »

Do you even have kids?

heh parent's always pull this out...

you don't need to be a parent to have a bit of common sense...

but it's an idea to have some common sense before you have kids (they won't bring any with them)

"you're child is setting himself on fire love"

"do you even have kids!!!"

TequilaMockingBird

ntlbell wrote: »

heh parent's always pull this out...

you don't need to be a parent to have a bit of common sense...

...and you don't need to look under a bridge to find a troll.

MagicMarker

Plus even people with kids don't exactly set the right examples, Quality, i'm looking in your direction here.

And no, i don't have kids. And if i did, i wouldn't be here bitching about something so minor, instead i would explain to my child that this is what happens when you don't put lotion on.

professore

Nea wrote: »

I would hope that years down the road if I sent my lad to a summer camp that I could rely on someone to apply suncream on a hot day without having to think that a load of paedos are on that day trip.

You have a lot to learn, our school won't even apply a PLASTER to a child if they are bleeding for fear of being sued. And people do sue !!!! And if you get the name of being a pedo, well no-one will believe otherwise. So don't blame the organisers. I agree it's ridiculous but that's the Ireland of the 100000 welcomes we live in.

professore

littlemissbusy wrote: »

My opinion; the child is 8 years old. She was in the care of adults on her trip to the beach, they should have ensured that she applied the sun cream. I help out with my son's school a lot when they go on outings and I have also worked in a summer camp type setting until quite recently. I personally as a responsible adult when out (with my own or other children in my care) make sure that the children all have suncream on and remind them every 2 hours or so to reapply. It's not that hard to do. My son who is nearly 11, now knows that day trips mean sun cream I have always been very particular about this being very fair skinned, but it's really only this year that he would actually reapply suncream of his own accord without reminding because he is aware of the health dangers. At 8 years old I would I imagine that Play, fun, excitment of trip was top of your child's agenda that day I'm not surprised your angry.

Maybe they did tell her and she forgot?

professore

MagicMarker wrote: »

Plus even people with kids don't exactly set the right examples, Quality, i'm looking in your direction here.

And no, i don't have kids. And if i did, i wouldn't be here bitching about something so minor, instead i would explain to my child that this is what happens when you don't put lotion on.

If you don't have kids yourself you don't have a clue .... Fact.

TequilaMockingBird

MagicMarker wrote: »

Plus even people with kids don't exactly set the right examples, Quality, i'm looking in your direction here.

And no, i don't have kids. And if i did, i wouldn't be here bitching about something so minor, instead i would explain to my child that this is what happens when you don't put lotion on.

Post reported. No need for this at all.

ntlbell

sueme wrote: »

...and you don't need to look under a bridge to find a troll.

Post reported..

I'm making a very valid point, before I had my own kids i was unable to comment on anyone else's parentig because "you don't even have kids!"

Now I have kids, I can be smug and comment on anyone else's parenting..

even tho I still don't have a clue! it's great!

pirelli

SarahMc wrote: »

Why did you not apply the suncream in the morning? It almost certainly would be against their child protection policy to apply suncream on the children.

Would it really be against the child protection policy, and your safe in that knowledge. They cannot apply suncream to a child. God some people. Very sad and No wonder she got sunburnt.

Ever heard of spray on sun cream.You dont think they are going to let some kid burn because of a people like you. They would be authorised to apply suncream if required and they should have ensured the child did not get sunburnt.