The Dole is just too much

Ronanom

Good read taken from http://www.economics.ie/2008/04/nackernomi...scumbag-part-1/





Nackernomics and Scangernomics, the economies of being a scumbag. (Part 1)
Posted on 2nd April 2008 at 13:16 by KD
I keep hearing about a scourge of scumbags on dear Dublin’s streets and accusations that the same people are ripping off the welfare system, and the papers are never far from examining crime, youth and welfare problems either.

Having an interest in Economics I decided that it was time to put on my researchers hat and try to see if the Anto McRipoffs of the world are really getting away with much of anything.

Firstly, we all know a scanger when we see one, I don’t need to go into a diatribe here or much descriptive detail as to understand scangernomics it’s assumed that you already know what a scanger is.

Behind the tracksuit and ‘confused yet angry look’ veneer it is likely that there are a series of complex decisions being made that belie the oft blank expression exterior of a nackball. The premise of this article is to delve into the actual monetary options that may be the cause of a perfectly respectable person deciding to go down the route of being a scumbag and thus embracing the nackernomic model of living we will do this by comparing the effect of being in employment against opting out of employment.

Life on the dole versus actual life on Minimum Wage: One thing that we must look at is the price of living a life on welfare versus a life of toil. I’m not about to chastise the people who are unavoidably unable to work, who are disabled, anybody who signed on in the 80’s or early 90’s or who have been abandoned and require state help. I was on the dole myself in the past and it certainly wasn’t any walk in the park, tax spent helping people who genuinely require assistance is totally honourable, there are however people who ‘milk’ the system and spend time on benefits that is undeserved.

The current rate for unemployment benefit is €197.80, there are additions for children/adults however we’ll take the first example as being a single male who is not colluding with another person in any additional defraudment - although we will cover that example later. So if you look at €200 per week and decide what that is in Gross terms if a person had to go earn it then it would be taxed at 20% and 5% PRSI would be paid by the employee, so it works out at c. €13,500 for the year or about €1125 per month which (assuming a standard working week) is about €7.40 an hour.

The current minimum wage is €8.65 which if you take off 25% to account for tax and PRSI means you come out with €6.48, which is actually less than the person on the dole, but (if you know your Social Welfare you’ve already twigged this) you can earn up to €1525 per month tax free, or €18,300 in a year and not pay a penny in tax, you will still have to pay PRSI, and on that basis the person on minimum wage is doing better than the person following a nackernomic path by about €180 a week however they have to work an initial 92 hours to get the same amount, they have to show up and earn that money. Often this involves transport etc. However, it leaves out one vital expense that we are all familiar with. A roof over your head.

We’ll assume that our Scanger is from town, city centre locations are much sought after indeed a one bed apartment in Dublin 1 (found on Daft) starts at €950 per month and that was the lowest price available, in Dublin 2 the prices start from about €1200 a month. We’ll take a figure of €1,000, at minimum wage a person would have to work 115 hours in order to pay that rent, which doesn’t leave much for anything else, such as food/transport etc.

The Scangernomist however gets either a rent allowance (something that is probably keeping rents artificially high) or they live in state assisted housing, one way or the other they are not having to face the same reality as Honest Joe.

On the rent supplement scheme many people get upwards of €900 per month in order to pay for housing, this figure (and often its higher) represents a further 100+ hours of work for the person in a Minimum Wage job. So if we take the 92 hours worked to get an equivalent to welfare and then the 100 hours worked to get an equivalent to the rent supplement we get 192 hours in total which means working almost 48 hours a week every week to be at the same point as a person who chooses to live off the system.

Then of course there are other things like supplements for heating, and medical cards, we’ll assume that they are worth about an extra €200 per month which is another 23 hours of work and now Honest Joe has to do 55 Hour weeks in order to be on parity with Anto McRipoff. Don’t forget though that tax kicks in after €350 per week so after 40 hours Honest Joe will have to work an extra 25% to get the same amount so to get the equivalent of 55 hours we subtract 40 hours (the tax free amount at €8.65 per hour) and we are left with 15 hours plus 25% to allow for PRSI and taxes and that brings us to nearly 19 hours, so Honest Joe is shouldered with 60 Hour weeks which doesn’t take into account the time spent getting to and from work etc.

You may be reading this thinking ‘I work a 60 hour week’, but if you do here’s a question: do you do it for minimum wage? If you answer ‘no’ then have some sympathy for Honest Joe.

I won’t even get into any correlations between some of the long term unemployed and crime, or people working cash jobs on the side while on the dole, or people claiming multiple doles, this is just a straight apples versus apples example. Would you rather be on the dole or work 60 hours a week at minimum wage? Weighing up all of the cons I’m going to leave now and sign on.

Dudess

Cost of living is high though. And it looks like plenty of non scumbags have been forced to go on the dole recently, and possibly more...

Ronanom

Dudess wrote: »

Cost of living is high though. And it looks like plenty of non scumbags have been forced to go on the dole recently, and possibly more...

I just think it's so much compared to someone working for minimum wage it's ridiculous

Gator

Scumbags

Agent Smith

Dudess wrote: »

Cost of living is high though. And it looks like plenty of non scumbags have been forced to go on the dole recently, and possibly more...

There may be trouble ahead
But while there's music and moonlight and love and romance
Let's face the music and dance

Rb

Dudess wrote: »

Cost of living is high though. And it looks like plenty of non scumbags have been forced to go on the dole recently, and possibly more...

Indeed. The cost of living here, particularly in Dublin, is outrageous. This in itself has driven up the minimum wage and therefore the cost of labour for companies, which as we've seen has caused them to start moving elsewhere for cheaper labour and putting more people out of work/onto the dole.

The dole is relatively in line with the cost of living here, though you wouldn't get much for ~€800 per month.

Also, realistically, how many people are working for the minimum wage? F*ck all I'd imagine, everyones trying to demand a high salary as an aftermath of the celtic tiger and the boom in certain sectors (particularly IT). Most people starting off will be getting about €25k, which in itself isn't much compared to the cost of living, but it sure beats the dole.

I'd also bet that the author of that article is getting paid well above minimum wage, so his little "Weighing up all of the cons I’m going to leave now and sign on" is, at best, pretentious.

Ronanom

Rb wrote: »

Indeed. The cost of living here, particularly in Dublin, is outrageous. This in itself has driven up the minimum wage and therefore the cost of labour for companies, which as we've seen has caused them to start moving elsewhere for cheaper labour and putting more people out of work/onto the dole.

The dole is relatively in line with the cost of living here, though you wouldn't get much for ~€800 per month.

Also, realistically, how many people are working for the minimum wage? F*ck all I'd imagine, everyones trying to demand a high salary as an aftermath of the celtic tiger and the boom in certain sectors (particularly IT). Most people starting off will be getting about €25k, which in itself isn't much compared to the cost of living, but it sure beats the dole.

I'd also bet that the author of that article is getting paid well above minimum wage, so his little "Weighing up all of the cons I’m going to leave now and sign on" is, at best, pretentious.

Ehhh....I'd say a hell of a lot of people are working for the minimum wage...think about it.

Dudess

Yeah OP, most people with a few years' work experience won't be on minimum wage.

Rb

Ronanom wrote: »

Ehhh....I'd say a hell of a lot of people are working for the minimum wage...think about it.

Doubt it. Even Spar counter assistants get more than minimum wage afaik.

Maybe kids who do work in bars part time to supplement their allowance/whatever, but a lot of adults will not be working for the bare minimum.

flanum

jaysus, i thought it was going to be an interesting thread, then i just saw the big quote thing, i couldnt be arsed to read it, i buy papers and stuff, i hate it when people just make a big headline for a thread and then just put up a link!!
****e!
i like it when people say what wffwct such and such has on their life with just "heres the link, find out for yourself... im the bad news monger..goodbye"! ****e!

oh and i also like it when the wife of the grandfather of your childrens children lays it on to me!!!! (escapes another infraction)!

Red Hand

flanum wrote: »

jaysus, i thought it was going to be an interesting thread, then i just saw the big quote thing, i couldnt be arsed to read it, i buy papers and stuff, i hate it when people just make a big headline for a thread and then just put up a link!!
****e!
i like it when people say what wffwct such and such has on their life with just "heres the link, find out for yourself... im the bad news monger..goodbye"! ****e!

oh and i also like it when the wife of the grandfather of your childrens children lays it on to me!!!! (escapes another infraction)!

I agree. Reading can be so difficult at times.

Ronanom

flanum wrote: »

jaysus, i thought it was going to be an interesting thread, then i just saw the big quote thing, i couldnt be arsed to read it, i buy papers and stuff, i hate it when people just make a big headline for a thread and then just put up a link!!
****e!
i like it when people say what wffwct such and such has on their life with just "heres the link, find out for yourself... im the bad news monger..goodbye"! ****e!

oh and i also like it when the wife of the grandfather of your childrens children lays it on to me!!!! (escapes another infraction)!

Scabby cavan man saving on reading.

Rb

flanum wrote: »

jaysus, i thought it was going to be an interesting thread, then i just saw the big quote thing, i couldnt be arsed to read it, i buy papers and stuff, i hate it when people just make a big headline for a thread and then just put up a link!!
****e!
i like it when people say what wffwct such and such has on their life with just "heres the link, find out for yourself... im the bad news monger..goodbye"! ****e!

oh and i also like it when the wife of the grandfather of your childrens children lays it on to me!!!! (escapes another infraction)!

Sooo you're posting in a thread to tell everyone you didn't bother to read it, and therefore have no interest in discussing it?

Black Swan

Another terrible people on the dole thread? How about the other end of the financial continuum to give this discussion a little balance? What about the 2 percent that control 80 percent of the wealth that C.W. Mills wrote about? Or the lovely former executives of Enron who "misappropriated" all those working folks retirement benefits, and when Enron dropped, so many of those folks ended up on the dole having lost their jobs and employee benefits? Sure, there are some on the dole that need to get with it and work, but there are others that have been recently dumped by some corporation run by fat, rich cats too?

Ronanom

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Another terrible people on the dole thread? How about the other end of the financial continuum to give this discussion a little balance? What about the 2 percent that control 80 percent of the wealth that C.W. Mills wrote about? Or the lovely former executives of Enron who "misappropriated" all those working folks retirement benefits, and when Enron dropped, so many of those folks ended up on the dole having lost their jobs and employee benefits? Sure, there are some on the dole that need to get with it and work, but there are others that have been recently dumped by some corporation run by fat, rich cats too?

Agreed but from my own personal experience I find the majority percentage of people on the dole are taking the piss and not pushing themselves as much as they could and unto which I believe the the large weekly sum is to blame for this

Red Hand

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Another terrible people on the dole thread? How about the other end of the financial continuum to give this discussion a little balance? What about the 2 percent that control 80 percent of the wealth that C.W. Mills wrote about? Or the lovely former executives of Enron who "misappropriated" all those working folks retirement benefits, and when Enron dropped, so many of those folks ended up on the dole having lost their jobs and employee benefits? Sure, there are some on the dole that need to get with it and work, but there are others that have been recently dumped by some corporation run by fat, rich cats too?

Its 20% control 80%-Pareto's Rule, no?

It's unfair, but rich people aren't going to give up their wealth, are they? They control the media and means of production etc...therefore there is little point in discussing them.

It's human nature to want more and more and never be satisfied.

Degsy

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah OP, most people with a few years' work experience won't be on minimum wage.

But there's a massive number of people who dont have "a few years work experience".People who are just starting out(and we all got to start somewhere)who are making minimum wage or less.Where i work we get regular job applications from people in their 50's looking for jobs.We also have job applications from people who've worked for years and to a very high standard in other countries and they are quite willing to work for what,8 euro an hour.We also get,usualy irish arseholes who've done a pissy degree in some nonsense and think they deserve to be paid 40 or 50 grand a year.They dont want to work,they ring in sick they whole time and usually stop showing up altogether after a while.To my mind these "students" are worse than useless.Very soon they're going to realise there's quite literally no prospects for them.

kraggy

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah OP, most people with a few years' work experience won't be on minimum wage.

Depends what they're doing.

For example, I know some women in their 40's who have had to take up full time work, whilst still having children under the age of 18, because their middle aged husbands/boyfriends have been laid off in their jobs due the recession/slow down that is imminent because of the geographical shift that multinational companies are pursuing now that a. Irish employees have become too expensive to employ and b. developing countries are providing more linguistically and technically skilled personnel to draw said companies to those countries.

We are now becoming the Germany and United States of the 80's.

Members of households here who previously could concentrate on one aspect of family life are now having to take over another responsibility in that family.

Whatever shift you want to call it, be it power or financial, it's happening. And though it's us who will economically suffer next, we're in no position to moan as we had our time of affluence lately.

It's gone for now, but it will come back again.

Ronanom

Degsy wrote: »

But there's a massive number of people who dont have "a few years work experience".People who are just starting out(and we all got to start somewhere)who are making minimum wage or less.Where i work we get regular job applications from people in their 50's looking for jobs.We also have job applications from people who've worked for years and to a very high standard in other countries and they are quite willing to work for what,8 euro an hour.We also get,usualy irish arseholes who've done a pissy degree in some nonsense and think they deserve to be paid 40 or 50 grand a year.They dont want to work,they ring in sick they whole time and usually stop showing up altogether after a while.To my mind these "students" are worse than useless.Very soon they're going to realise there's quite literally no prospects for them.

+1

flanum

Rb wrote: »

Sooo you're posting in a thread to tell everyone you didn't bother to read it, and therefore have no interest in discussing it?

yes, and im replying to this response to a person that bothered replying to a poster on a thread that had nothing whatsovere to do with the thread in his original response so that i can prolong this "resposnsive" type response with the guy that just said....

kraggy

Degsy wrote: »

We also get,usualy irish arseholes who've done a pissy degree in some nonsense and think they deserve to be paid 40 or 50 grand a year.They dont want to work,they ring in sick they whole time and usually stop showing up altogether after a while.To my mind these "students" are worse than useless.Very soon they're going to realise there's quite literally no prospects for them.

It's this part of your post I'm particularly alert to Degsy.

You're quite correct. In fact, I think it is this demographic group in particular who are in for the greatest landing.

They've gone through their teenage years thinking the world is their oyster etc etc but there's more a chance now that when they come out of university/institue of technology, they will find it VERY hard to gain employment. And this will be the first time in over a decade at this stage that young people in Ireland will collectively feel so anxious about their futures.

Red Hand

It's like this.

There is always going to be 2-4 % unemployment in a country that has social welfare. People in that bracket who do not and have not worked in a long time...such as in this economy which was flourishing till recently, and do not want to work for whatever reason. I'm talking about able bodied and able minded.

So....you are stuck with a dilema. Either put them on the dole, or else get them involved in some community employment scheme, where you'll have a community welfare officer checking in with them every week, organising their new employment placement and dealing with things when things, invariably, fall apart. And so, you'll need another civil servant to get a new placement(s) (one that is willing to take someone instead of simply hiring hardworking foreigners who give no problems bar language) ready and who is willing to take him/her. The employer will probably need to be subsidised to take the new recruit...and will have to be compensated when things fall apart (not showing up for working/not working/loss of productivity etc)

And the hassle of doing all this would in the long term could twice as much as just simply putting them on the dole in first place. So, yeah, the easiest thing to do is stick 'em on the dole. Not saying that I agree at all with the whole sytem, though.

Fighting Irish

Rb wrote: »

Indeed. The cost of living here, particularly in Dublin, is outrageous. This in itself has driven up the minimum wage and therefore the cost of labour for companies, which as we've seen has caused them to start moving elsewhere for cheaper labour and putting more people out of work/onto the dole.

The dole is relatively in line with the cost of living here, though you wouldn't get much for ~€800 per month.

Also, realistically, how many people are working for the minimum wage? F*ck all I'd imagine, everyones trying to demand a high salary as an aftermath of the celtic tiger and the boom in certain sectors (particularly IT). Most people starting off will be getting about €25k, which in itself isn't much compared to the cost of living, but it sure beats the dole.

I'd also bet that the author of that article is getting paid well above minimum wage, so his little "Weighing up all of the cons I’m going to leave now and sign on" is, at best, pretentious.

wait,wat?

kraggy

Rb wrote: »

Also, realistically, how many people are working for the minimum wage? F*ck all I'd imagine, everyones trying to demand a high salary as an aftermath of the celtic tiger and the boom in certain sectors (particularly IT). Most people starting off will be getting about €25k, which in itself isn't much compared to the cost of living, but it sure beats the dole.

Not many working the minimum wage EXACTLY but if you owned a shop/business, would you pay your staff EXACTLY the minimum wage?

No, you'd probably pay them a little more because nobody wants to be seen as being the tight arse in case it gets out; even if it means paying just a little over the odds.

Red Hand

flanum wrote: »

yes, and im replying to this response to a person that bothered replying to a poster on a thread that had nothing whatsovere to do with the thread in his original response so that i can prolong this "resposnsive" type response with the guy that just said....

Lol!

kraggy wrote:

Not many working the minimum wage EXACTLY but if you owned a shop/business, would you pay your staff EXACTLY the minimum wage?

No, you'd probably pay them a little more because nobody wants to be seen as being the tight arse in case it gets out; even if it means paying just a little over the odds.

True enough. I've worked in a few places that weren't minimum wage but that was about 2-3 cents above the minimum wage. Just so they wouldn't be seen, as you said, tight-ar*es.

kraggy

Fighting Irish wrote: »

wait,wat?

Yeah. Like you can go into Buuuuuuurger King and ask for 25k and a free whopper on top of your lunch voucher.

Cato

most people i know including me am on minimum wage, and i got a colledge diploma that has failed to get me anything (yes ive tried:rolleyes:) i must be one of these lazy stupid useless irish people everyones on about these days, who couldent be arsed to get a job?

Black Swan

Ronanom wrote: »

Agreed but from my own personal experience I find the majority percentage of people on the dole are taking the piss and not pushing themselves as much as they could and unto which I believe the the large weekly sum is to blame for this

I wonder how many of them are single mothers, attempting to make ends meet, raising an infant or young child? I wonder how many of them are in need of psychological counseling, alcohol or drug treatment, or meds to stabilize a physiological-mental condition? I wonder how many have just been impacted by the recession, and laid-off by a corporation (to protect corporate profits for those rich, fat cats we admire)?

Can't speak for Ireland, cause I've been away for almost 3 years across the pond, but in the States they often empty the mental institutions and prisons when a recession hits (California is now getting ready to release thousands of convicted felons early because of the recession, and without transitional release services too, cause of the money crunch, so no big surprise if many go on the dole, or go back to stealing to eat when there's no jobs and the only training they got was punching out license plates?).

DonkeyStyle \o/

Ronanom wrote: »

The Dole is just too much

Or minimum wage is just too little... who knows.
I think we need to decide what minimum standard of living Irish people are entitled to and get our story straight.

kraggy

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »

Or minimum wage is just too little... who knows.
I think we need to decide what minimum standard of living Irish people are entitled to and get our story straight.

I think we all know what our entitlements should be when the word "our" refers to people who are contributing, or, would contribute given the opportunity.

Anyone else, especially those who Department of Social Welfare representatives know in their hearts are taking the piss, should be subjected to intense scrutiny by more inspectors with more powers.

And most important of all, there should be a limit as to how long a person should be allowed to stay on welfare, apart from those on incapacity.

DonkeyStyle \o/

kraggy wrote: »

I think we all know what our entitlements should be when the word "our" refers to people who are contributing, or, would contribute given the opportunity.

Yeah I don't think we do really... otherwise people wouldn't have a higher standard of living on the dole than working for minimum wage.

Bluetonic

What the hell is 'The Dole'?

There is no such thing as 'The Dole'. I see Unemployment Benefit (non existent) being talked about in the OP - I presume they mean Jobseekers Benefit, something which is only payable if the claimant has paid the correct number of PRSI payments in the correct year, something of which someone who taking advantage of the system won't have. The majority of those who find themselves in the unfortunate position of claiming jobseekers benefit will have funded their claim themselves many times over the course of their employed years. Jobseekers Benefit is payable for 65 weeks, after which Jobseekers Allowance must be applied for which is means tested.

Lets hope some of the self righteous, ill informed people on thread don't find themselves heading down to their local social welfare office over the coming year.

ateam

Bluetonic wrote: »

What the hell is 'The Dole'?

There is no such thing as 'The Dole'. I see Unemployment Benefit (non existent) being talked about in the OP - I presume they mean Jobseekers Benefit, something which is only payable if the claimant has paid the correct number of PRSI payments in the correct year, something of which someone who taking advantage of the system won't have. The majority of those who find themselves in the unfortunate position of claiming jobseekers benefit will have funded their claim themselves many times over the course of their employed years. Jobseekers Benefit is payable for 65 weeks, after which Jobseekers Allowance must be applied for which is means tested.

Lets hope some of the self righteous, ill informed people on thread don't find themselves heading down to their local social welfare office over the coming year.

What about the long term unemployed? There are a lot of people on the Dole who are just lazy and don't want to work. It's a reality. Some do FAS courses to prolong their dole payments and get no job after it.

The dole is too high for the lazy and the rent allowance is a farce. Completely unfair system and a waste of money.

kawaii

OP you misspelled knackernomics

You're forgetting the fact that people on the dole, besides food, spend most of their money on fags/booze, hence pay back most of the money in tax anyway. Who cares? If a few people dont wanna work, we cant punish them as the majority sign on while looking for work.

Sherifu

OP's link should be this.

Cost of living has gone up a lot in the last few years and minimum wage is the worst case comparison.

NewApproach

In the opinion of my cold heart, they should cut the dole, cut the minimum wage, get people back in work and then reassess the situation.

DanGerMus

flanum wrote: »

oh and i also like it when the wife of the grandfather of your childrens children lays it on to me!!!! (escapes another infraction)!

I'm the grandfather of my childrens children, stay away from my wife (when i get married)

OP
You won't be complaining about the dole being too big when the large multinational you're working for fcuks off to Poland or China for the cheaper labour.
Don't work for a large multinational? Who does your company work for then?

Terry

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So some dick throws up a picture of a few 16 year olds and equates them with people on the dole.

One of the links brings you to http://www.mortgagebrokers.ie/
I wonder is this Karl the same KD who wrote the article.

As it stands, anyone with an income of less that €164 a week is considered living below the poverty line.
Those on the dole are €33 a week above the poverty line. Not that much when you think about it.

Bluetonic

ateam wrote: »

What about the long term unemployed? There are a lot of people on the Dole who are just lazy and don't want to work. It's a reality. Some do FAS courses to prolong their dole payments and get no job after it.

The dole is too high for the lazy and the rent allowance is a farce. Completely unfair system and a waste of money.

The OP referenced an article quoting Unemployment/Jobseekers Benefit, my response was to that. Unemployment/Jobseekers Benefit can not be claimed by long term unemployed.

Using the the term 'Dole' is misleading. The illinformed who still use it in this day and age should educate themselves into the categories of payments and stop lumping them all into one category.

Terry

Bluetonic wrote: »

The OP referenced an article quoting Unemployment/Jobseekers Benefit, my response was to that. Unemployment/Jobseekers Benefit can not be claimed by long term unemployed.

Using the the term 'Dole' is misleading. The illinformed who still use it in this day and age should educate themselves into the categories of payments and stop lumping them all into one category.

Tell Mr. Karl Deeter.
You can contact him at kd at economics.ie

If you do, tell him I think he's an idiot.

TripleAce

Ronanom wrote: »

I just think it's so much compared to someone working for minimum wage it's ridiculous

+1

Agreed - this is a total insult to people working at the minimum wages. The Dole should be limited to 6 months, then if you haven't got a job **** you. Why do we need to pay taxes to maintain lazy **** :mad:

Terry

TripleAce wrote: »

+1

Agreed - this is a total insult to people working at the minimum wages. The Doll should be limited to 6 months, then if you haven't got a job **** you. Why do we need to pay taxes to maintain lazy **** :mad:

The shít is already hitting the fan.

Save those words. You may need to eat them when you lose your job.

Bluetonic

Terry wrote: »

Tell Mr. Karl Deeter.
You can contact him at kd at economics.ie

If you do, tell him I think he's an idiot.

I should have stopped reading after he wrote

Having an interest in Economics

Pity it was only written by someone who has a interest and not an expertise.

Bluetonic

TripleAce wrote: »

+1

Agreed - this is a total insult to people working at the minimum wages. The Doll should be limited to 6 months, then if you haven't got a job **** you. Why do we need to pay taxes to maintain lazy **** :mad:

Inflatable?

TripleAce

Terry wrote: »

The shít is already hitting the fan.

Save those words. You may need to eat them when you lose your job.

Yep I have been pushing management for quite a while to outsource my job to Slovakia and give me a fat redundancy package, but my attempts have been unsuccessful so far ....I am very proactive on trying to get myself replaced!

TripleAce

Bluetonic wrote: »

Inflatable?

Fixed now

Bluetonic

TripleAce wrote: »

Fixed now

Boooo I wanted to see our unemployed at least happy:D

skyhighflyer

It's probably already been pointed out, but if you're on minimum wage, you won't be paying any PAYE for a full working week. So you can take home around Eur350 a week, which is a lot better than the dole.

And also plenty of people are on minimum wage.

DonkeyStyle \o/

skyhighflyer wrote: »

So you can take home around Eur350 a week, which is a lot better than the dole.

Yeah but you don't get a medical card, rent allowance, fuel allowance (etc.)
Meanwhile in minimum wage worker land, pay €100 for a visit to the dentist and you get something like €20/30 back on PAYE... whoop-te-doo.
And lets pay €60 for 5 minutes with a GP.

TripleAce

skyhighflyer wrote: »

It's probably already been pointed out, but if you're on minimum wage, you won't be paying any PAYE for a full working week. So you can take home around Eur350 a week, which is a lot better than the dole.

And also plenty of people are on minimum wage.

My point is that 350-200 = 150 , so people on the minimum wage work for 150€ week.....so a person on the Dole can find a part-time 1-day/week job in the black market and get the same money of a person working 40 hours/week on minimum wage....