TM Burner TP Driver

kevodaly

Anyone playing one of these ? I got to hit a second hand one in a shop with one of those golf simulators for club fitting.

It was a 8.5 degree with a 55g ( I think ) stiff reax shaft which felt really nice, the whole club felt a lot lighter than my G5 with a prolaunch blue stiff shaft.

How much faith would people put into the simulators ? My own feeling is that they will be very forgiving to promote sales of clubs - like those putting areas in shops with slight falls into the holes ...

Anyway, I hit about 10-15 drives all carrying over 200 metres and rolling to 230 ish. That seemed a bit too consistant for me! Without the option to bring one for a test 'drive' on the course, would you trust the simulator enough to buy based on that ?

Woodgate

You would really need to hit one on the course to be happy that it's for you.

I played a practice match for the Junior Cup team last night against a lad from the Senior Cup squad, he plays off Scratch and was using a Burner TP, which he got from the TM Tour Van, he's based in the states at college. Anyway he was pounding the drives out there, very consistant & accurate. However I did notice that when using his regular ball a TM TP Black he hit it way further than the Titleist ProV1 provisional he occasionally hit.

irishtoffee

I have one,got it from the Taylor Made truck as well.Hitting it pretty good but only have it two weeks.Those Taylor Made balls are like rocks compared to the Pro V,well thats what i thought when hitting them.

Mister Sifter

I bought a normal burner around a month back. Was previously using the Ping G10 but struggling big time with it.

Got rid and bought a Burner and the difference is unreal. Absolutely loving it so far.

Wouldn't mind a quiet word with the guy who designed the headcover though. I'll be looking at time penalties soon it takes that long to get the thing on.

irishtoffee

Spot on the headcover is a nightmare to put on ha ha.

Par72

If you go up to Green18 in Sandyford they will let you take a demo driver out for the day. You just need to leave your credit card as a deposit and then you can try the club out on your course.

I have one of these drivers btw (firm flex, 9.5 deg) and I love it. I ditched my Nike Sasquatch in favour of it.

f22

TP clubs are tailored for better players, drivers will generally have a more open face.

If you are carrying a ball 200m with a driver it's not the club for you. A combnation of higher loft with a fitted shaft may be more suited to you.

At the price you'd pay, even second hand on a TP, a custom fitting will save you money and give you a better result.

jampotjim

Had a look at one of these today and just think the head is HUGE and looks awkward..

I am using a R7 Quad TP and the head is big enough on that to do me LoL..

Mister Sifter

f22 wrote: »

If you are carrying a ball 200m with a driver it's not the club for you. A combnation of higher loft with a fitted shaft may be more suited to you.

Why do you say that f22?

f22

TP clubs are designed for low handicappers/professionals.

The majority of club golfers slice the ball and an open face promotes this even further. They also have tour caliber shafts that are geared towards high swing speeds.

To prove a point have a look at the online fitting system that TM have, input the details of an average height male, some other average details and a driver distance of 220 yards (which the chap said his average was) and see what you get.

If you add another 60 yards onto the drive distance the Burner TP may come into the reckoning.

kevodaly

220 yards was my average carry distance, total average distance was over 250 yards. I went thru that online fitting thing and that put me with a Tour Burner TP 9.5 deg.

I played a few holes yesterday evening with it and hit it well, nice trajectory and definately a more boring flight than my G5, in particular when driving into the wind.

I'll know more in a week or so.

Anyhow the other question I had in my original post was how much to trust a golf simulator and if they are used to really help put you with the right club, or if they are very forgiving and will make you feel good hitting any club.

C0SM0

Anyhow the other question I had in my original post was how much to trust a golf simulator and if they are used to really help put you with the right club, or if they are very forgiving and will make you feel good hitting any club.[/quote]


I am only getting back into golf after a long lay off, playing off 17 so still a long way to, i am an average driver i'd say 220-260 depending on wind conditions, and i ALWAYS go left to right. i went to Green 18 and tried out the simulator with afew differnt loft drivers and every ball i hit went dead straight and over 300 yards everytime so i'd take nothing from them tbh.

f22

They defintely have to be taken with a pinch of salt. Altitude, wind speed etc can be adjusted to give you an extra 30 yards onto what you really hit.

There is no better judge than hitting of a real tee into real conditions and watch the trajectory and flight of your ball.

From a Gold Digest survey:

One of the most telling numbers was how dramatically the amateur players inflated their driving distances. The lower handicappers claimed their average drives went 247 yards, while driving-distance stats taken on two holes documented an average of 232--a 15-yard exaggeration. Higher handicappers claimed a driving average of 227 yards and, in actuality, hit it 198 yards--a 29-yard lie of the mind.

Many conclusions can be drawn from this data, but the hard lesson on this aspect: The worse the players, the more they kid themselves about how good (and long) they are. Nobody wants to admit he drives the ball less than 200 yards. Succumbing to self-delusion, it seems most amateurs tend to equate their best drive with their average drive.

C0SM0

f22 wrote: »

They defintely have to be taken with a pinch of salt. Altitude, wind speed etc can be adjusted to give you an extra 30 yards onto what you really hit.

There is no better judge than hitting of a real tee into real conditions and watch the trajectory and flight of your ball.

From a Gold Digest survey:

One of the most telling numbers was how dramatically the amateur players inflated their driving distances. The lower handicappers claimed their average drives went 247 yards, while driving-distance stats taken on two holes documented an average of 232--a 15-yard exaggeration. Higher handicappers claimed a driving average of 227 yards and, in actuality, hit it 198 yards--a 29-yard lie of the mind.

Many conclusions can be drawn from this data, but the hard lesson on this aspect: The worse the players, the more they kid themselves about how good (and long) they are. Nobody wants to admit he drives the ball less than 200 yards. Succumbing to self-delusion, it seems most amateurs tend to equate their best drive with their average drive.

Agreed

Mister Sifter

Driving ranges don't help either. Distance markers at them can be really dubious. There's also this opinion that range balls 'go 30% less'.

I wish ranges would give charts inside the bays saying how far it is to certain points. Would be very easy for them to do and would be of great benefit to all users.

copacetic

not sure range balls go 30% less, but certainly 10-20% less imo. Some ranges adjust the markers to allow for that though. All in all trying to work out distance from simulators or the range is a fools errand imo.

You can use either for comparing one club with another though and that is valid. So if you are trying a club on a simulator, compare it to the one you already have and make sure whoever is helping you doesn't change any settings.

The ideal setup is outdoors so the tracker gives you launch and spin numbers but you can also see the actual ball flight.

f22

I'd agree on the 10% distance loss on range balls.

Ranges also tend to be directed with the prevailing wind (so you don't get soaked when it rains) which may alter correct distances.

kevodaly

f22 wrote: »

They defintely have to be taken with a pinch of salt. Altitude, wind speed etc can be adjusted to give you an extra 30 yards onto what you really hit.

There is no better judge than hitting of a real tee into real conditions and watch the trajectory and flight of your ball.

From a Gold Digest survey:

One of the most telling numbers was how dramatically the amateur players inflated their driving distances. The lower handicappers claimed their average drives went 247 yards, while driving-distance stats taken on two holes documented an average of 232--a 15-yard exaggeration. Higher handicappers claimed a driving average of 227 yards and, in actuality, hit it 198 yards--a 29-yard lie of the mind.

Many conclusions can be drawn from this data, but the hard lesson on this aspect: The worse the players, the more they kid themselves about how good (and long) they are. Nobody wants to admit he drives the ball less than 200 yards. Succumbing to self-delusion, it seems most amateurs tend to equate their best drive with their average drive.

While I agree with that quote, I think it's a bit off topic here .. I never mentioned how far I hit the ball, only the results from the simulator.

I like copacetics suggestion though to bring your own club for comparison purposes when trying out something new.

f22

kevodaly wrote: »

While I agree with that quote, I think it's a bit off topic here .. I never mentioned how far I hit the ball, only the results from the simulator.

I like copacetics suggestion though to bring your own club for comparison purposes when trying out something new.

You mentioned how far (220 yards carry, with 30 yards of roll) you hit it on the simulator. We all agreed that simlulators can overestimate real world distances, so in real terms your mentioned distances could be less.

How is this off topic? I suggested a TP driver may not be the correct club for you from the details you provided, and I still stand by that. If you want to spend e500+ because you hit it ok on a simulator crack on.

All I am suggesting is to get a correct fitting that will technically provide you with the best results for less money than splashing out on a TP Burner.

kevodaly

Oh I totally accept that the driver could be wrong for me, I don't dispute that for a second. As I mentioned in my original post, it's second hand so it didn't cost that much. And my reason for starting the thread was to find out from people who use one, or have used one what they are like.

But just to clarify something, I still haven't mentioned anywhere here how far I hit ( or claim ) to hit my driver. And you included a quote from Golf Digest about amateurs inflating their distances, how is that quote relevant here?

f22

In no way trying to suggest you exagerated anything. The mention of exagerated distances on simulators was brought up and the Golf Digest piece was meant as an aside and not directed at you personally.

I have access to a simulator and it's amazing what a bit of teaking to altitude and wind can produce. As you said earlier, it's quite easy for a shop to massage a customers ego into spending a few more euro on something that may not warrant it.

kevodaly

Ah fair enough. Hopefully the Burner will work out for me anyway and I'll keep my average over the 300yard mark ..