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WoW vs. EvE
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03-07-2008 2:32pm#1
Wow, way to constructively add to the thread/forums guys.Broken get back on Eve and stay away from this WoW pish, you know in your heart Eve is a million times better!
Perhaps now I can come over to the EvE forums and take turns commenting on how much of a wankstain on MMO's, EvE really is. I mean, since there isnt really any skill involved, its mainly just about using pre-set builds and having the necessary in-game skills to click shoot. Then let the computer fly around the enemies ship until one of you explodes. Yes, infinitely better than WoW.
Or perhaps, each MMO is made for a different niche market. And in order to call a player truly yours, you need to let them go and explore other MMOs. If they dont return, then it was never meant to be but if they do... then who cares, Warcraft is probably better off without those quitters anyways!0
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Wow, way to constructively add to the thread/forums guys.
Perhaps now I can come over to the EvE forums and take turns commenting on how much of a wankstain on MMO's, EvE really is. I mean, since there isnt really any skill involved, its mainly just about using pre-set builds and having the necessary in-game skills to click shoot. Then let the computer fly around the enemies ship until one of you explodes. Yes, infinitely better than WoW.
Or perhaps, each MMO is made for a different niche market. And in order to call a player truly yours, you need to let them go and explore other MMOs. If they dont return, then it was never meant to be but if they do... then who cares, Warcraft is probably better off without those quitters anyways!
We were only having a laugh with him. He knows we don't really mean it. The Irish eve community is quite closely knit as there isn't too many of us. As i said myself i have played a huge amount of WoW and its a good game, i just got bored of it. We didn't come here to flame WoW, just to take the piss out of a fellow eve player (or ex-eve player)
But yeh, EVE takes more skill than WoW overall. But thats for another thread.
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We were only having a laugh with him. He knows we don't really mean it. The Irish eve community is quite closely knit as there isn't too many of us. As i said myself i have played a huge amount of WoW and its a good game, i just got bored of it. We didn't come here to flame WoW, just to take the piss out of a fellow eve player (or ex-eve player)
But yeh, EVE takes more skill than WoW overall. But thats for another thread.
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Hah, my forum, I like that... has a nice ring to it, I may use that in the futureSorry for invading your forum but broken was ours first, and your welcome to come over to the Eve Online section and post your comments on Eve. Your opinion on Eve sounds like you played it for maybe a week and then left it alone, the fact that your only emphasising(sp?) on one aspect of the game shows this.
I would encourage you to take a break from your 'raids' and try out Eve again, here is a 14-Day Free Trial If you require any assistance in the game, if you choose to try it again, drop into the irish channel ingame or drop me a PM.
Again apologies for invading your forum.
But just some background history... I was the one to suggest EVE have its own boards forum, Hobbes made the forum request thread, but I was the one that got the ball rolling. Asked in the MMO forums what people thought and made it alot easier to get people to support the forum when Hobbes made the forum request thread.
I also currently have 2 EvE accounts (although neither are currently active) a caldari pvp character with approximately 14 million skill points and a gallente industrial character with around 8 million skill points, that just finished training up the skills to fly Hulks when I last stopped playing.
My post, although meant somewhat in jest, was more aimed at the particularly snide comments from you guys regarding WoW. To me, these comments are systemic of the arrogant EvE attitude I have come to know and hate An attitude that is further characterised by your belief that I couldnt possibly dislike your game, if I had played it for more than a week
But the fact of the matter is, I dont dislike EvE. I dislike that I was promised Frontier Online and all I got was a fancy new screensaver. I dislike that I was promised a more mature player base, where we could do anything and everything together... but all I got were the same twits from other MMOs with a few holier-than-thou gits thrown into the mix. Most of all though, I hate clicking on "Orbit at" and then clicking fire or mine and waiting for the inevitable...
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Hah, my forum, I like that... has a nice ring to it, I may use that in the future
It's nice isn't itBut just some background history... I was the one to suggest EVE have its own boards forum, Hobbes made the forum request thread, but I was the one that got the ball rolling. Asked in the MMO forums what people thought and made it alot easier to get people to support the forum when Hobbes made the forum request thread.
Sorry but it was regi and the irish room and hobbes that first discussed and rampantly screamed for the separate forum, your talking to
hobbes may have been close to the time he made the request thread though.I also currently have 2 EvE accounts (although neither are currently active) a caldari pvp character with approximately 14 million skill points and a gallente industrial character with around 8 million skill points, that just finished training up the skills to fly Hulks when I last stopped playing.
Well right there you have a problem, caldari pvp character (sorry in game joke). Can I inquire when you stopped playing the game?My post, although meant somewhat in jest, was more aimed at the particularly snide comments from you guys regarding WoW. To me, these comments are systemic of the arrogant EvE attitude I have come to know and hate An attitude that is further characterised by your belief that I couldnt possibly dislike your game, if I had played it for more than a week
Well my comment is my general comment at things, an as statso said we are a tightly knit group in game. Tbh I realise not everyone will enjoy eve, as when I started I dragged a few mates with me also and not all took to it, some more recently have ventured back to it in the attempt to give it a second chance. To each their own I guess.But the fact of the matter is, I dont dislike EvE. I dislike that I was promised Frontier Online and all I got was a fancy new screensaver. I dislike that I was promised a more mature player base, where we could do anything and everything together... but all I got were the same twits from other MMOs with a few holier-than-thou gits thrown into the mix. Most of all though, I hate clicking on "Orbit at" and then clicking fire or mine and waiting for the inevitable...
This is where I feel your opinion fell short of justifying eve fairly, it is a lot more than point, click and orbit, especially in the bigger scheme of things when it comes to 0.0 and politics and now even in High Sec with the introduction of Factional Warfare. When you've taken part in even a 60 vs 60 ship fight come back with your modified opinion then. I'm not a fan of 1v1's as they usually don't present the necessary challenge in the game, larger engagements with some of the biggest ships in the game are the most invigorating and adrenaline rushing moments i've had while playing any game, but again eve isn't for everyone and if you don't like it there is not much I can do to change that.P.s. 'Raids > 'Rats > 'Roids any day of the week and twice on sundays
Ratting/Mining is boring i'll give you that, that's why ill stick to suicide ganking and make my isk through the stupidity of others. :pac:0 -
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http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055030342&highlight=time+forumIt's nice isn't it
Sorry but it was regi and the irish room and hobbes that first discussed and rampantly screamed for the separate forum, your talking to
hobbes may have been close to the time he made the request thread though.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055030896&highlight=online
Rest my caseWell right there you have a problem, caldari pvp character (sorry in game joke). Can I inquire when you stopped playing the game?
Yes, this of course was before the missile nerf, and originally started out as a mission running, missile spitting machine. Then slowly I learned to pilot a manticore and develop reasonable bag of tricks so as to be useful in PvP. One of the reasons I dont play EvE anymore is because when I went back I found my Uber Caldari character was essentially useless.Well my comment is my general comment at things, an as statso said we are a tightly knit group in game. Tbh I realise not everyone will enjoy eve, as when I started I dragged a few mates with me also and not all took to it, some more recently have ventured back to it in the attempt to give it a second chance. To each their own I guess.
Sure, tightly knit, doesnt really explain coming to the WoW forum and badgering new players to the game and/or giving people a generally poor perception of EvE players... In-jokes are generally best reserved for PMs, private forums, and forums with a tight knit bunch of players... not on other forums with a large usuage and one of the highest amount of boards members, who have just signed up...This is where I feel your opinion fell short of justifying eve fairly, it is a lot more than point, click and orbit, especially in the bigger scheme of things when it comes to 0.0 and politics and now even in High Sec with the introduction of Factional Warfare. When you've taken part in even a 60 vs 60 ship fight come back with your modified opinion then. I'm not a fan of 1v1's as they usually don't present the necessary challenge in the game, larger engagements with some of the biggest ships in the game are the most invigorating and adrenaline rushing moments i've had while playing any game, but again eve isn't for everyone and if you don't like it there is not much I can do to change that.
The grand scheme of things is one of the reasons I started playing EvE. All those articles I would read about the great corporation robberys/espionage/battles and I wanted that. But you can only mine so many 'roids, kill so many 'rats before you need to decide whether the game is for you or not. And I'm sorry, but in my widely experienced opinion, the EvE "meta-game" sucks donkey balls... and that is pretty much all the average new player to EvE will ever see. This being one of the main reasons EvE has
~200,000 members to WoW's ~10million+Ratting/Mining is boring i'll give you that, that's why ill stick to suicide ganking and make my isk through the stupidity of others. :pac:
You need to reach a certain point of played time before that is financially viable, therefore I can only assume that you must have mined/rat'd for a minimum amount of time like everybody else. That minimum time is too much for me and most new EvE players...0 -
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The skill is in knowing who you are going to fight, what ship they are going to be using and therefore how to counter it... long before you've ever fired a shot? Thats not skill, thats called being a good statistician
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Speed, knowledge, timing, co-ordination
Using the right ability quickly enough
Recognising an opponents ability and knowing the counter available to you
Predicting use of abilities and thus countering
Working with team-mates to shut down one or more characters
I realise a large part of what I've listed here, you are going to try to claim are within EvE too. But while I will agree, up to a point, at the end of the day, once the ultimate goal of locking down a ship and getting close to the target is complete, there is nothing to do but have the ship fly around automatically killing the target.
But I realise the pointless nature of this debate and will just have to let it go. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
And this is where you seem to have missed a huge part of the game, politics! The sovereignty system creates vast power blocks which very frequently war with each other taking each other space, some losing everything they have spent years building and sometimes coming back from the brink and retaking everything they have lost.
The risk in eve is what I feel separates it from WoW tbh, and if your wondering what I mean by risk play the game!
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displeaser wrote: »To the person who mentioned about 2 groups going to war in eve, maybe you have never been online in wow when 3 40 man raids from the horde descend on stormwind, and the aftermath of raids that follow for days afterwards.
I'm curious to the average player numbers on each WoW server, I imagine its about 7-8k correct me if i'm wrong please.
Eve has one server averaging about 30k people logged in with upwards of 42k (so far 42711 is the record). When we talk about two groups going to war this is usually multiple alliances of thousands of players fighting for space, with some space battles taking place without 600 people (or more) involved in one fight, and this can be on a daily basis, most fights would average out to maybe 200 vs 200 or so and then smaller engagements taking place before and after larger engagements between the support elements of fleets.
You also have another huge side to almost every war in Eve, espionage, spies or various forums of propaganda are a huge part of the nature of Eve and although annoying play an important role in every major incident in Eve.
The closest thing to a raid in my view in Eve is a complex or exploration sites which is a relatively new feature in Eve, usually run in groups on the harder ones some can be run solo though, or one player running a few accounts.
Honestly we have nothing in Eve thats really like the raids against NPC's like you have, but NPC's are not why I play Eve. I play for the PVP side and the politics side. I know people that play strictly to undermine corporations and alliances or pull of scams and come away will billions of isk in corp/alliance assets, I know people that play to mine and build ammo/ships/modules for other players and play with the market against other players or even playing the stock market, hell some people play just to troll the forums. 0 -
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Uhmm, I'm falling off my chair as we speak...Everyone knows that Wow is marketed for children, it just so happens that a particular type of adult is drawn towards it.
And I love the "200 vs. 200 eve players, how does wow compete with that?" argument. The biggest pvp action I was involved with was about 80 players altogether. Combined with the number of normal players in the zone/system, I could barely watch as I got podded by someone who clicked fire before I could...
WoW's normal player base per server is in the region of 5-7k, EvE's normal player base per server is in the region of 200k+
WoW's maximum player base per zone is the server cap, EvE's maximum player base per server is in the region of what, 2k?
Granted WoW players generally dont all gravitate toward one zone, but some would say thats down to clever world design. Granted, some would say the reason Blizzard implemented Battlegrounds in WoW was because the total number of players in one zone was causing some servers to become unstable, but that problem has been resolved a long time ago and isnt really a factor. But correct me if I'm wrong and EvE no longer has issues with 2k+ people being in one zone, causing everyone in the zone to freeze... I have a character I'd like to excise from Jita.
The socio-political climate in EvE is certainly one of its most interesting aspects, but it is pretty difficult to get involved in this aspect of gameplay and for those that have no interest, there is very little else of substance.
The War effort aspect of gameplay, while heralded as a positive, most would see as a negative in EvE. Having to grind (or have others grind) for hours on end, in order to be able to take part in one of the BEST aspects of EvE gameplayer, its PvP, seems a mite hypocritical.
EvE is prettier, WoW is less like driving a nail through your temple repeatedly.
EvE is more dynamic, WoW has much better NPC design.
EvE has more risk versus reward gameplay, WoW has less "well, after 8 months of investing into this game, I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and now I'm back at square 0 + 1/2".
EvE has more mature players, WoW has less gits with a "holier-than-thou" attitude to new players and non-EvE players alike.
I could probably go on, but I wont. Instead I'll summarise for those of you EvE players that have already clicked quote with lightning speed and brimmed with nerdrage and are only now reading this as they come up with some witty come back such as "but we have less kids playing" and "yeah, but we get to grind for hours (or make some other poor sap grind for hours) so we can PvP MASSIVELY" and at the end of the day just say; marketed for children and a particular type of adult that is drawn towards it (which again is just lolz) aside, the numbers speak for themselves.
WoW's 10 million subscribers with even a healthy 60% retard ratio compared to EvE's 250,000 subscribers with a modest 30% retard ratio (and the unmentionable 20% "gits with their thumbs firmly wedged up their anus'") leaves only one clear winner.
Ladies and gentle EvE players, there has already been a vote and you lost... sorry
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Uhmm, I'm falling off my chair as we speak...
And I love the "200 vs. 200 eve players, how does wow compete with that?" argument. The biggest pvp action I was involved with was about 80 players altogether. Combined with the number of normal players in the zone/system, I could barely watch as I got podded by someone who clicked fire before I could...
WoW's normal player base per server is in the region of 5-7k, EvE's normal player base per server is in the region of 200k+
WoW's maximum player base per zone is the server cap, EvE's maximum player base per server is in the region of what, 2k?
Granted WoW players generally dont all gravitate toward one zone, but some would say thats down to clever world design. Granted, some would say the reason Blizzard implemented Battlegrounds in WoW was because the total number of players in one zone was causing some servers to become unstable, but that problem has been resolved a long time ago and isnt really a factor. But correct me if I'm wrong and EvE no longer has issues with 2k+ people being in one zone, causing everyone in the zone to freeze... I have a character I'd like to excise from Jita.
The socio-political climate in EvE is certainly one of its most interesting aspects, but it is pretty difficult to get involved in this aspect of gameplay and for those that have no interest, there is very little else of substance.
The War effort aspect of gameplay, while heralded as a positive, most would see as a negative in EvE. Having to grind (or have others grind) for hours on end, in order to be able to take part in one of the BEST aspects of EvE gameplayer, its PvP, seems a mite hypocritical.
EvE is prettier, WoW is less like driving a nail through your temple repeatedly.
EvE is more dynamic, WoW has much better NPC design.
EvE has more risk versus reward gameplay, WoW has less "well, after 8 months of investing into this game, I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and now I'm back at square 0 + 1/2".
EvE has more mature players, WoW has less gits with a "holier-than-thou" attitude to new players and non-EvE players alike.
I could probably go on, but I wont. Instead I'll summarise for those of you EvE players that have already clicked quote with lightning speed and brimmed with nerdrage and are only now reading this as they come up with some witty come back such as "but we have less kids playing" and "yeah, but we get to grind for hours (or make some other poor sap grind for hours) so we can PvP MASSIVELY" and at the end of the day just say; marketed for children and a particular type of adult that is drawn towards it (which again is just lolz) aside, the numbers speak for themselves.
WoW's 10 million subscribers with even a healthy 60% retard ratio compared to EvE's 250,000 subscribers with a modest 30% retard ratio (and the unmentionable 20% "gits with their thumbs firmly wedged up their anus'") leaves only one clear winner.
Ladies and gentle EvE players, there has already been a vote and you lost... sorry
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Uhmm, I'm falling off my chair as we speak...
And I love the "200 vs. 200 eve players, how does wow compete with that?" argument. The biggest pvp action I was involved with was about 80 players altogether. Combined with the number of normal players in the zone/system, I could barely watch as I got podded by someone who clicked fire before I could...
WoW's normal player base per server is in the region of 5-7k, EvE's normal player base per server is in the region of 200k+
WoW's maximum player base per zone is the server cap, EvE's maximum player base per server is in the region of what, 2k?
You appear to be basing your info on the player guide in eve, which is unfortunately way out of date.
Eve, as already said by maddzy, is one server over 5000 solar systems spread over numerous regions of High Security Empire space, low security Empire space and my favourite No-Security Lawless space where the players do whatever they want without consequence other than other players kicking them in the hole.
I won't say lag is none existent but its a lot better in the last year than its ever been. I've had a 200 vs 200 fleet fight with only load lag on warp in and the rest of the fight was fine, saying that the server can hiccup and i've seen lag in 40 vs 40 fight too, but not very often.EvE has more mature players, WoW has less gits with a "holier-than-thou" attitude to new players and non-EvE players alike.
Well there are a lot of "holier-than-thou" people in Eve ill give ya that, but compared to every game i've played in my life it has the best community in regards to new players (obviously there is the odd asshat people meet) when I started I was approached with helpful advice from all around and not just from the irish lads who did give me a alot of help also and some isk. (<3 Jaggeh)Granted WoW players generally dont all gravitate toward one zone, but some would say thats down to clever world design. Granted, some would say the reason Blizzard implemented Battlegrounds in WoW was because the total number of players in one zone was causing some servers to become unstable, but that problem has been resolved a long time ago and isnt really a factor. But correct me if I'm wrong and EvE no longer has issues with 2k+ people being in one zone, causing everyone in the zone to freeze... I have a character I'd like to excise from Jita.
Jita is the black hole of the Eve universe, the problem isn't really the number of players in the system (although it is a factor) it is the sheer amount of market activity since its the largest trade hub, although tbh with the changes to undocking and a few other lag fixes Jita is quite playable albeit the odd day where the hamsters need changing.Ladies and gentle EvE players, there has already been a vote and you lost... sorry
Well since their are always more wow players due to the sheer amount of servers and essentially limitless funds from Blizzard compared to CCP, and the fact there are more wow'ers on boards than eve players a poll here doesn't do it justice, if every user that had played both games only cast a vote then sure that would be fair.
Simply put I enjoy eve as to a lot of other players, and lots of players enjoy WoW, and i've come to believe after reading this thread that the two games are on different playing fields, hard to compare validly, saying that i'll stick to my player created content sandbox game any day. :rolleyes:0 -
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For someone who thinks they are making a point by saying Eve players are "gits with their thumbs firmly wedged up their anus'" you sure come across as a git with your thumb firmly wedged up your anus with that post. Also Zillah was clearly baiting for a nerdrage reply and you supplied the lulz for that one. Also Eve has one server and its max players is 55k or something like that.
I never said WoW didnt have that type of player... me being one of them Also the reason I liked EvE so much when I played it
And I gave Zillah the response it deserved... a one-sentence reply
Most of my response was directed at R0ots earlier comments, I was just too lazy to quote it.kyp_durron wrote: »You done got trolled son.
Err... thanks Read above ^^ If you are saying all of ye're responses were trolls, then I can accept that. But otherwise, em... you are wrong You appear to be basing your info on the player guide in eve, which is unfortunately way out of date.
No, I am basing my info on playing EvE many, many moons ago. Yes my information may be out of date, because I havent played in quite a while...Eve, as already said by maddzy, is one server over 5000 solar systems spread over numerous regions of High Security Empire space, low security Empire space and my favourite No-Security Lawless space where the players do whatever they want without consequence other than other players kicking them in the hole.
I never said EvE had more than one server. I was merely stating my believed figures of its capabilities.I won't say lag is none existent but its a lot better in the last year than its ever been. I've had a 200 vs 200 fleet fight with only load lag on warp in and the rest of the fight was fine, saying that the server can hiccup and i've seen lag in 40 vs 40 fight too, but not very often.
Again, outside the realm of my experiences.
Your definition of best community in regards to new players seems a little limited to me. But I will admit, there are great resources available to new players to EvE. Though not really much about PvP related subjects, as most of the people who are still in the NPC corps even though they are experienced enough to offer useful information, are there so they can continue to enjoy the starter corp protection. I can only assume because they are carebears and therefore can offer much help in that respect...Well there are a lot of "holier-than-thou" people in Eve ill give ya that, but compared to every game i've played in my life it has the best community in regards to new players (obviously there is the odd asshat people meet) when I started I was approached with helpful advice from all around and not just from the irish lads who did give me a alot of help also and some isk. (<3 Jaggeh)Jita is the black hole of the Eve universe, the problem isn't really the number of players in the system (although it is a factor) it is the sheer amount of market activity since its the largest trade hub, although tbh with the changes to undocking and a few other lag fixes Jita is quite playable albeit the odd day where the hamsters need changing.
In this case, the why doesnt really matter. Its the lack of getting this information to new players that might pass through this place and get horribly stuck... As it is though, most EvE players seem to have accepted this horrendous lag as an acceptable factor. Though, I am pleased to hear that it has improved significantly.Well since their are always more wow players due to the sheer amount of servers and essentially limitless funds from Blizzard compared to CCP, and the fact there are more wow'ers on boards than eve players a poll here doesn't do it justice, if every user that had played both games only cast a vote then sure that would be fair.
I would disagree with this for the most part (whats new says you)
Part of an MMO is its appeal to new players. EvE has a concept that should interest anyone and everyone, when they first hear about it. The supposed freedom would excite any gamer when they first hear about it. As it did me, but the fact is it offers freedom in some more complex areas like politics, trading, scamming and pirating. Only to remove the most important freedom of all, your own movements. So most prospective players would hear about EvE, be intrigued, research it and then completely write it off without ever trying it. Personally I had heard about EvE for a long time, before I ever bothered to give it a go.Simply put I enjoy eve as to a lot of other players, and lots of players enjoy WoW, and i've come to believe after reading this thread that the two games are on different playing fields, hard to compare validly, saying that i'll stick to my player created content sandbox game any day. :rolleyes:
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Thanks and yes I'm aware that you can insure your ships. But it is costly and/or doesnt recoup a large portion of the investment in the ship.
And yes, I've heard the "you shouldnt fly something you cant afford to lose" which is mildly retarded in my opinion, but thats another story
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Thanks and yes I'm aware that you can insure your ships. But it is costly and/or doesnt recoup a large portion of the investment in the ship.
And yes, I've heard the "you shouldnt fly something you cant afford to lose" which is mildly retarded in my opinion, but thats another story
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Thanks and yes I'm aware that you can insure your ships. But it is costly and/or doesnt recoup a large portion of the investment in the ship.
And yes, I've heard the "you shouldnt fly something you cant afford to lose" which is mildly retarded in my opinion, but thats another story
Actually if your in a half decent corp losing a t1 ship or the more popular t2 ships doesn't cost you anything except the more expensive fittings. My corp has such a system and it covers reinsuring your ship.0 -
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