Dunne wants his title back!!

walshb

If we are to believe Dunne, this guy is as Jimmy and Dave would say, WORLD class

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2008/0703/dunneb.html

Call Me Jimmy

Any boxing on terrestial tv is good for me! I don't understand the way it works though. It said that he might be made the mandatory challenger if he beats marciano, how does that work?

walshb

Dunne is currently rated third and I assume he is hoping a win will elevate him to the TOP of the pile. Funny and annoying that Dunne is listed by the EBA as hailing from GB and not IRE

http://www.europeboxing.com/clasificaciones.html

View the ratings..

I will get onto them about this

alanceltic

Dont know where you got that website from, id say its one of them boxing alphabet affiliations, heres the link to the real euro rankings

http://www.boxebu.com/index.asp then click on the ratings link on the left hand side

You can see that Dunne is rated #1 (technically he is second) with Kiko listed as mandatory, so in theory he could be left waiting at least 12 months before he gets a mandatory shot at the title. With munroe (or rather maloney) not interested in matching up with dunne it looks like he will be left to wait his turn which is why I would imagine dunne has decided to go a different route.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Dunne is currently rated third and I assume he is hoping a win will elevate him to the TOP of the pile. Funny and annoying that Dunne is listed by the EBA as hailing from GB and not IRE

http://www.europeboxing.com/clasificaciones.html

View the ratings..

I will get onto them about this

That's the WBA's version of the 'European' title, it's a new creation . Ignore it it means nothing .

As pointed out he is #1 but Kiko is mandatory, that cannot be changed no matter who Dunne beats . Martinez v Munroe should happen something in the Autumn as long as Martinez beats Lante Addy(he will, by ko) .

Dunne will then be made the next European mandatory so long as he doesn't lose and Martinez v Munroe isn't a draw . He can't leap frog Martinez though, unless he was to beat him .

Walshb I don't know if you've seen something from somwhere else, but from Dunne's comments there he is spot on about Marchiano, Mares and Mabuza .

walshb

So this opponent is world class then?

We'll wait and see. Both those guys that Marchiano lost to are bantams
and Marchiano is far from a puncher really.
Peters and CO certainly do pick em'.

I sent a mail to that crowd about the entry.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

So this opponent is world class then?

We'll wait and see.

I sent a mail to that crowd about the entry.

No, I've even previously stated he isn't . However maybe I'm just blind because I can't find where it says that Marchiano is World Class .

Sorry maybe I'm just being retarded , could you highlight the piece of the text quoting Dunne , where he says it:

'I've watched a DVD of him and he's a very aggressive fighter. He likes to press the action and is constantly on the front foot. He likes to drag the other guy into his kind of fight.

'He's mixed in very good company and there's no shame in losing to the guys he has lost to.

'Abner Mares is very highly rated and one of the big up and coming stars in the US. Last time out he lost to Silence Mabuza for the IBO title, but for me Mabuza is probably the best bantamweight in the world right now and certainly the best puncher in that weight division'

walshb

Correct Big ears, he didn't actually state it, but IMO, he did indeed intimate that
this guys is world class, best this best that etc etc. The guy has no punch and is a bantam at best.

Carefully selected opponent again!!

T-K-O

Dunne is on the comeback trail whats he suppose to say I'm fighting a BUM. FFS - Do you guys even follow boxing.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Correct Big ears, he didn't actually state it, but IMO, he did indeed intimate that
this guys is world class, best this best that etc etc. The guy has no punch and is a bantam at best.

Carefully selected opponent again!!

He basically said that this guy has been in there with top class guys, he lost but there's not shame in that because Mares is a very good prospect and Mabuza imo is the best Bantamweight out there .

That said the opponent has been discussed in a thread elsewhere, he's not a bad opponent considering the situation and having watched his fight with Abner Mares he was actually better than his record would indicate so I was pleasantly surprised .

He's better than Jailouev and Walstad who were European title defences so there is no shame that he's fighting Marchiano considering he's only staying busy for a European title fight .

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Dunne is on the comeback trail whats he suppose to say I'm fighting a BUM. FFS - Do you guys even follow boxing.

Very good point...

sston

walshb wrote: »

So this opponent is world class then?

We'll wait and see. Both those guys that Marchiano lost to are bantams
and Marchiano is far from a puncher really.
Peters and CO certainly do pick em'.

I sent a mail to that crowd about the entry.

Have you watched Marciano bwalsh?

His fight with Mares is on youtube and Mares certainly looks world class and he did not have it as easy as the scorecards suggested, in fact it was a pretty good fight, not fight of the year material but very enjoyable.

Mabuza defended his IBO "world" title against him but I didn't see you criticising him for trying to claim Marciano is world class (which Dunne didn't do anyway).

It's laughable that you seem to consider everything about Dunne "hype" and yet lap up a lot of the hype spouted regarding Amir Khan.

alanceltic

sston wrote: »

It's laughable that you seem to consider everything about Dunne "hype" and yet lap up a lot of the hype spouted regarding Amir Khan.

Ah leavle washie alone, its his favourite hobby slating dunne, u get used to it even if it is a little rethorical, although i too have also noticed his growing affections for khan

T-K-O

sston wrote: »

Have you watched Marciano bwalsh?

His fight with Mares is on youtube and Mares certainly looks world class and he did not have it as easy as the scorecards suggested, in fact it was a pretty good fight, not fight of the year material but very enjoyable.

Mabuza defended his IBO "world" title against him but I didn't see you criticising him for trying to claim Marciano is world class (which Dunne didn't do anyway).

It's laughable that you seem to consider everything about Dunne "hype" and yet lap up a lot of the hype spouted regarding Amir Khan.

Nice comparison.
Both guys are at a similar level IMO. Kahn looks better on TV with his fast hands attacking style. But like Dunne I would worry about him at world level

joepenguin

What if Munroe beats Martinez again. Munroe isnt intersted in coming over here and Dunne isnt interested in going abroad.

Also just on Dunne fighting carefully picked opponents... isnt that the case with the majority of fighters in the majority of their fights.

I think in the next 3 fights we will find out where Dunne belongs in the rankings. I reckon its top 20.

Big Ears

joepenguin wrote: »

What if Munroe beats Martinez again. Munroe isnt intersted in coming over here and Dunne isnt interested in going abroad.

Also just on Dunne fighting carefully picked opponents... isnt that the case with the majority of fighters in the majority of their fights.

I think in the next 3 fights we will find out where Dunne belongs in the rankings. I reckon its top 20.

Dunne will become the next European mandatory after the Martinez v Munroe fight, the winner will have to face him . It could take up to 10 months to force the bout or it could be sooner(Maloney knows he'll have to deal at some point) .

When Dunne is mandatory the bout will go to purse bids, Peters should win as he has bigger clout with Dunne and RTÉ than Maloney has with Munroe and SKY . If Peters does win the purse bids then Munroe either comes to Ireland or loses his title . If Maloney wins the purse bids then he either goes to the UK or he loses his chance the win the title, simple as . I reckon we'll get the fight in Ireland in the 2nd quarter of next year at the latest .

walshb

sston wrote: »

Have you watched Marciano bwalsh?

His fight with Mares is on youtube and Mares certainly looks world class and he did not have it as easy as the scorecards suggested, in fact it was a pretty good fight, not fight of the year material but very enjoyable.

Mabuza defended his IBO "world" title against him but I didn't see you criticising him for trying to claim Marciano is world class (which Dunne didn't do anyway).

It's laughable that you seem to consider everything about Dunne "hype" and yet lap up a lot of the hype spouted regarding Amir Khan.

Yes, Khan and Dunne, ever so comparable:rolleyes:

Point out once where I have lapped up hype surrounding Khan!!!?

sston

walshb wrote: »

Yes, Khan and Dunne, ever so comparable:rolleyes:

Point out once where I have lapped up hype surrounding Khan!!!?

"by 23 I think if as I said, his chin holds up, he can become the best lightweight out there. This is exciting and sooner or later he will fight the cream and will be tested."

or

"The next real star and quality act IMO is Khan. I have followed him since Athens 2004. He has proved his class to date and if his chin holds up and he proves he has real championship stamina, I can see him
becoming a true legend..."

True legends don't end up on the floor against a shot Michael Gomez or a feather fisted Willie Limond - both super featherweights. They also don't do a "Zab Judah" when fighting Craig Watson in the amateurs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qBRAmjDXWU

Added to that the fact that Khan is clueless on the inside and his family seem intent on running his career a la Naseem Hamed it's hard for him to make a case for being better than the likes of Pacquiao, Guzman, Valero, Casamayor, Marquez, or even Nate Campbell and Yuri Romanov in 18 months time.

Don't get me wrong Khan is a talented fighter and blindingly quick but like Dunne he has too many flaws to get to the highest level.

walshb

sston wrote: »

"by 23 I think if as I said, his chin holds up, he can become the best lightweight out there. This is exciting and sooner or later he will fight the cream and will be tested."

or

"The next real star and quality act IMO is Khan. I have followed him since Athens 2004. He has proved his class to date and if his chin holds up and he proves he has real championship stamina, I can see him
becoming a true legend..."

True legends don't end up on the floor against a shot Michael Gomez or a feather fisted Willie Limond - both super featherweights. They also don't do a "Zab Judah" when fighting Craig Watson in the amateurs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qBRAmjDXWU

Added to that the fact that Khan is clueless on the inside and his family seem intent on running his career a la Naseem Hamed it's hard for him to make a case for being better than the likes of Pacquiao, Guzman, Valero, Casamayor, Marquez, or even Nate Campbell and Yuri Romanov in 18 months time.

Don't get me wrong Khan is a talented fighter and blindingly quick but like Dunne he has too many flaws to get to the highest level.

Nice try, but no cigar. I have always maintained that Khan, if he proves that he can really take a whack, will be the best out there. To date, he has proved one thing, that he is unbeaten and he can take a whack. Okay, he was knocked down, but he got back up each time and did a number on his foe. He is still 21 and still unbeaten, so all we can do is wait and see. It's a gamble and as I said, it is all down to his chin.

Dunne proved one thing and that is he has no chin and no recovery skills and his opponents IMO were lesser men than what Khan faced. Dunne got up once or twice, but was immediately put away. Even Voronin had Dunne on queer street.

T-K-O

sston wrote: »

"by 23 I think if as I said, his chin holds up, he can become the best lightweight out there. This is exciting and sooner or later he will fight the cream and will be tested."

or

"The next real star and quality act IMO is Khan. I have followed him since Athens 2004. He has proved his class to date and if his chin holds up and he proves he has real championship stamina, I can see him
becoming a true legend..."

True legends don't end up on the floor against a shot Michael Gomez or a feather fisted Willie Limond - both super featherweights. They also don't do a "Zab Judah" when fighting Craig Watson in the amateurs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qBRAmjDXWU

Added to that the fact that Khan is clueless on the inside and his family seem intent on running his career a la Naseem Hamed it's hard for him to make a case for being better than the likes of Pacquiao, Guzman, Valero, Casamayor, Marquez, or even Nate Campbell and Yuri Romanov in 18 months time.

Don't get me wrong Khan is a talented fighter and blindingly quick but like Dunne he has too many flaws to get to the highest level.

I agree, I'm a fan of Dunnes but not so much Kahn. The problem for both guys is that the really top fighters are just so dam good. Casamayor Diaz [baby bull] Pac, Marquez, Lopez etc.....

IMO Kahn could pick of one of the weaker champs if he was lucky. Maybe Campbell.