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Gok Wan

  • 03-07-2008 12:33PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭


    So what do people think of Mr Wan and is anybody watching his new show?


    I absolutley love him. Was a bit disapointed when I saw this though : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-557940/How-feel-BAD-naked-A-model-reveals-fashion-guru-Gok-Wan-vile-scenes.html
    But while the show's participants basked in admiration and praise from Gok Wan, the models who had flanked them on the catwalk faced an altogether different reception backstage.
    In a show of venom and acerbity unseen on screen, Gok called the models "sl*gs" and "dirty little sl*ts".
    In further insults too vile to print, he later singled out 25-year-old model Daisy Idwal Jones, making obscene and derogatory comments about her body in front of at least 20 people, including one of the show's producers.
    His explanation? A self-satisfied: "I'm rich. I can do what I f*****g like."
    And to make matters worse, this was not the first, or the last time the girls would face such abuse over the three days of filming, which took place at Manchester's Trafford Centre last spring.
    It certainly paints a different picture of the self-promoting stylist who launches a new series of How To Look Good Naked on Channel 4 tonight.
    He has been described as a "saint" by the ordinary women whose lives he has apparently transformed by attempting to instill in them a confidence in their own bodies, while helping them to choose clothes, which will flatter their figures


    Its really long and thats only part of it but I hope its not true. :(


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 irishharpie


    I personally love him, his range of clothes are fabulous and for real women (not those sticks that have no shape), the thing's he does for women to get their confidence up is amazing and he really does know what he's doing.

    I really hope that's not true as well, there is always a chance that she is just a disgruntled ex employee.

    Has Gok made a reply about it????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭Miss Fluff


    I absolutely love him! I read a long interview with him recently and if anything he seemed hugely humble and very likeable. Hope the above is not true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    Gok Wan is fantastic! I always get a fuzzy glow of happiness after watching How to Look Good Naeked :)


  • Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm dubious.....I wouldn't wipe my arse with the dailymail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 irishharpie


    Exactly, most of those newspapers are just tabloid trash and would print anything if it'll get us to buy it.

    But I am really interested to see if Gok Wan has said anything about these allegations.

    He really is amazing though and even if it is true it won't stop me from buying his clothes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pookie82


    He's a complete and utter insincere twat. All that faked "my heart bleeds for you" and "go for it sister!" sh*te he goes on with on that show makes me want to vomit. Acting like he gives a crap about the women when all he wants is air time and more cash. The last straw was when he appeared on the Sex and the City red carpet premiere and started strutting around like a dressed up dog telling all the "sisters" they looked "scrumptious" and "to-die-for" and licking up to SJP in the most repellent way possible.

    He is a sad sad man.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greenapplesea


    pookie82 wrote: »
    He's a complete and utter insincere twat. All that faked "my heart bleeds for you" and "go for it sister!" sh*te he goes on with on that show makes me want to vomit. Acting like he gives a crap about the women when all he wants is air time and more cash. The last straw was when he appeared on the Sex and the City red carpet premiere and started strutting around like a dressed up dog telling all the "sisters" they looked "scrumptious" and "to-die-for" and licking up to SJP in the most repellent way possible.

    He is a sad sad man.

    A bit harsh!!! What's wrong with telling the SATC girls they looked "scrumptious"? They do!

    Everyone on TV obviously wants more cash and a chance to increase their popularity (hello!!! they're celebrities!!!) but at least Gok is doing something meaningful and worthwhile. He genuinely feels that there is too much pressure put on women to be a perfect size zero and is trying to rebuild confidence. Not only that but he is promoting alternative solutions to body shape issues, encouraging women to avoid plastic surgery, which is a massive issue in today's society.

    And I don't think he's insincere in his methods- I've read countless interviews with him and he always comes across as being really down to earth and considerate. He shows women how to feel good about themselves- how many shows have you seen that do this without suggesting that women lose weight or get plastic surgery??

    And to be fair, he is actually good at styling- these women look fantastic by the end and elude confidence and happiness because of his efforts.

    It is shows and magazines that promote plastic surgery and idolise size zero celebrities that "make me vomit", not Gok Wan's admirable efforts at promoting positive body images among today's women.

    He's fantastic- love him!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭JaneyMc


    Glad to hear all the positive responses to him, I really do think he is amazing and I think the type of show he does was long overdue, with the average clothes size being 14 there really should be more fashion shows geared towards the average woman with the average amount of money to spend rather than the stick women with loads of money.

    Yay Gok. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greenapplesea


    JaneyMc wrote: »
    Yay Gok. :D

    Here here!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 irishharpie


    All the love for Gok Wan! You really do have to appreciate what he's doing for these women, especially in today's society were going under the knife is all the rage and food who eats it!

    He takes care of real women and he shows them how to flaunt what they got. He's the kind of designer we have needed for a long time!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,840 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    "real women"

    :rolleyes: Here we go again...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,191 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    Can see were he might appeal to some sections of society but am not exactly sure who ........ah yes remember now , women


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭JaneyMc


    "real women"

    :rolleyes: Here we go again...

    I think the term "the average woman" is what was meant...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pookie82


    A bit harsh!!! What's wrong with telling the SATC girls they looked "scrumptious"? They do!

    Everyone on TV obviously wants more cash and a chance to increase their popularity (hello!!! they're celebrities!!!) but at least Gok is doing something meaningful and worthwhile. He genuinely feels that there is too much pressure put on women to be a perfect size zero and is trying to rebuild confidence. Not only that but he is promoting alternative solutions to body shape issues, encouraging women to avoid plastic surgery, which is a massive issue in today's society.

    And I don't think he's insincere in his methods- I've read countless interviews with him and he always comes across as being really down to earth and considerate. He shows women how to feel good about themselves- how many shows have you seen that do this without suggesting that women lose weight or get plastic surgery??

    And to be fair, he is actually good at styling- these women look fantastic by the end and elude confidence and happiness because of his efforts.

    It is shows and magazines that promote plastic surgery and idolise size zero celebrities that "make me vomit", not Gok Wan's admirable efforts at promoting positive body images among today's women.

    He's fantastic- love him!!!!

    I thought the SATC girls looked horrendous to be honest. SJP looked ridiculous with that feather crap on her head and the dress was a disgusting colour. in fact the normally not-so-nice redhead was the only decent looking one on the carpet!!!

    I just can't stand all his faffing about he comes across as a real knob to me. My take on him is that underneath it all he's insincere. By the way what's the deal with the how-to-look-good-naked show that strips the women and then shoves a huge chair/blanket/strategically placed picture or whatever in front of all of their wobbly bits?????? That kind of defeats the purpose of them looking good naked. "You look great love but I just need to get sth in the way of that tummy flab/droopy boobs"!! Myself and my mates were roaring laughing one evening looking at a "naked" picture that covered all the wobbly bits!!! If the poor woman really had been naked I don't think it would have looked very good at all. And I know this is really not PC and i'll probably get a roasting for sayin this but he sends poor women out onto a catwalk infront of their extended families in their underwear and a few of them have looked really awful. I've cringed many a time seeing what he sends out. No amount of hairspray and plastered on make up can detract from the fact that they really shouldn't be parading around in their underwear.

    If they're delighted with themselves fair enough but I can't warm to him at all. Watching him strut around the red carpet that evening and acting "fabalos daaaaaaarling" made my stomach turn. i have no difficulty believing what the papers said about him whatsoever. Always struck me as that kind of guy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭FruitLover


    his range of clothes are fabulous and for real women (not those sticks that have no shape)

    Are slim women "fake"?

    Or are you just flabby and bitter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,105 ✭✭✭LadyMayBelle


    I love Gok Wan, I can't wait for the show tonight..compared to Trinny and Tranny who tell you to nip and tuck, he works from the inside out by telling the girls to like what they have and work with it..I think it's wonderful how he brings introverted woman into confidence...I would love to go on the show tbh!! Might make me make an effort these wet miserable mornings!

    Don't diss Gok!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pookie82


    FruitLover wrote: »
    Are slim women "fake"?

    Or are you just flabby and bitter?

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    My mum got me his book How To Look Good Naked for Christmas as she knows I'm a big fan, it's great, really makes you feel good about yourself!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pookie82


    Piste wrote: »
    My mum got me his book How To Look Good Naked for Christmas as she knows I'm a big fan, it's great, really makes you feel good about yourself!

    In what way????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭Léan


    He bugs me to no end. He doesn't even have good styling tips or anything, some of the stuff he dresses the girls on the show in are utter rubbish.

    I'm so sick of this British crap where it's all "oh you've great tits love show them off" :rolleyes: etc.. Oh please. It's so tacky and stupid. I don't see the attraction at all.

    What a load of hype.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 625 ✭✭✭princess-sprkle


    I absolutely love gok!

    certain shows (ten years younger & trinny and susannah) focus so much on the negative, like how bad they looked before. Gok is much more positive, surely a good thing? More girls need to believe they're fabulous as they are :)
    cheesy but sure why not?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭LivingDeadGirl


    I really don't see how he's helping these women 'love their own bodies' when half the time he's shoving them into body slimmers, how is trying to look smaller/less flabby loving their own bodies? It's just trying to hide what they really look like, how self accepting is that? He just pisses me off anyway, annoying twat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,105 ✭✭✭LadyMayBelle


    Livingdeadgirl, i think what he tries so do is show them what they can do with what they have got, so that they feel better about themselves,rather than change them..he never tells anyone to lose weight,or that they look terrible as trinny and tranny do. i would love to get his book


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pookie82


    I watched bits of his programme this evening after reading this thread. Every single one of his models were sticks. The outfits he threw together - one of which was an appalling puffball and knee sock ensemble - would hardly be kind to a size 14/16. If he's such a champion of the larger lady, how come his latest outfits are geared for the sticks?

    Better still, how about telling the overweight and out-of-shape women he deals with to exercise and lose the flab???? Why is it suddenly a grave sin to tell someone honestly "yes, you're overweight and to look your best, AND BE HEALTHY, you should lose it"? I don't like the idea of demonising someone telling a woman who is clearly bigger than she should be to lose weight. Instead he sends these poor deluded women out infront of thousands in their underwear and makes a complete gimp of them.

    Why are so many women in such denial about their weight and the ways to shift it/make themselves look better? They'll try every fad diet in the book and then whinge when they're still bigger than they'd like. They'll buy every book they can to read up on how to dress to their advantage. i'll bet when they go out on a Saturday night they spare no effort on their hair and make up and body-kind outfit. Why the bloody resistance to GETTING FIT??????? If you want to look your best stop throwing money away on books and fads and strategically placed clothes and just go to the gym!!! You'll feel and look a hell of a lot better than if you squeeze yourself into a tiny corset to squash unwanted flesh out of the way. It's not rocket science.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭Mrs_Doyle


    JaneyMc wrote: »
    So what do people think of Mr Wan and is anybody watching his new show?
    I absolutley love him. Was a bit disapointed when I saw this though : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-557940/How-feel-BAD-naked-A-model-reveals-fashion-guru-Gok-Wan-vile-scenes.html
    Its really long and thats only part of it but I hope its not true. :(

    Oh I hope that's not true, I really like him.
    I love 'How to Look Good Naked' and his new Fashion show, and I even buy Look magazine just to read his column.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greenapplesea


    pookie82 wrote: »
    By the way what's the deal with the how-to-look-good-naked show that strips the women and then shoves a huge chair/blanket/strategically placed picture or whatever in front of all of their wobbly bits?????? That kind of defeats the purpose of them looking good naked. "You look great love but I just need to get sth in the way of that tummy flab/droopy boobs"!! Myself and my mates were roaring laughing one evening looking at a "naked" picture that covered all the wobbly bits!!! If the poor woman really had been naked I don't think it would have looked very good at all. And I know this is really not PC and i'll probably get a roasting for sayin this but he sends poor women out onto a catwalk infront of their extended families in their underwear and a few of them have looked really awful. I've cringed many a time seeing what he sends out. No amount of hairspray and plastered on make up can detract from the fact that they really shouldn't be parading around in their underwear.

    Looking at your comment it seems that your concerns lie not so much with Gok but with the women who are not a perfect size 8 and the fact that they feel confident enought to walk around in their underwear. Why the hell shouldn't they?? And who are you to say they don't look well?? Perhaps they don't live up to the idea of the perfect body that has been forced on you by today's media, but in other people's eyes (such as their supportive friends and family) they look fabulous.

    And in my opinion (feel free to contradict me) I think the point of the sheets and things is actually to cover parts of their bodies that the women personally don't want to show on tv- such as their vaginas!! This is completely normal given that the average woman would NOT feel comfortable bearing this on national tv! I mean, would you??

    It takes alot of confidence to show other people what your body looks like naked and I think we should be commending these women for being able to do this, not slating them.

    Unfortunately some women will never be secure enough in their bodies because they have a sense of fear because people like you are still going to judge them on their weight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 irishharpie


    FruitLover wrote: »
    Are slim women "fake"?

    Or are you just flabby and bitter?



    lol, no by real women I mean actual women. I tend to find that most fashion designer's never really take into consideration how the clothes will hang on women when designing them, but I've never had a problem with the anyway of the Dorothy Perkin's range or Gok Wan's own brand.

    oh and just to clear it up, by sticks that have no shape, I was reffering to the mannequin's.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭greenapplesea


    pookie82 wrote: »
    Why are so many women in such denial about their weight and the ways to shift it/make themselves look better? They'll try every fad diet in the book and then whinge when they're still bigger than they'd like. They'll buy every book they can to read up on how to dress to their advantage. i'll bet when they go out on a Saturday night they spare no effort on their hair and make up and body-kind outfit. Why the bloody resistance to GETTING FIT??????? If you want to look your best stop throwing money away on books and fads and strategically placed clothes and just go to the gym!!! You'll feel and look a hell of a lot better than if you squeeze yourself into a tiny corset to squash unwanted flesh out of the way. It's not rocket science.

    Must be nice to be so "perfect"...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pookie82


    You're the one sounding bitter now. I never said that I was perfect. Can you quote me on that?????

    What I DID say is that it can't do any harm whatsoever to actually tell a woman who is carrying too much weight to lose it. A lot of those women are. Again, your response has proven what i find so hard to grasp, why some women take so unkindly to being told that getting fit is the most likely and safe path to looking good and feeling great. I never advocated getting down to a size eight. You can be a 14 and tone up to look great. Would that not be a better path to send those ladies down than squeezing them into corsets and pretending the flab is gone???? Why the MASSIVE resistance to being told "why not exercise"???? it seems women will go to many lengths to avoid the gym and buy books and other merchandise to then disguise the extra pounds.

    You mention that the idea of a perfect body has been forced on me by today's media. Quite to the contrary. I don't touch gossip or body image magazines like many fashion conscious people on here seem to. If you take a look at the Heat mag thread over in LL you'll see I detest those sh*t rags. I do, however, believe that to look and feel your best, you should work out, and for that to be demonised distresses me greatly. I never advocated shrinking to zero or goign OTT but I DO advocate doing sth about what really distresses these women IN THE LONG TERM besides making them up for the evening and parading them around. WHen they go home and take off their clothes, they're left with the same problem that originally made them unhappy. Considering the show is CALLED "How to Look Good Naked", he doesn't make a difference in that regard.

    Obviously these women, to go on tv, will need some bits blurred out (nipples, vagina area). But firstly, as they rarely pose legs akimbo, I don't think it requires an entire sheet to strategically cover the top of their legs. A bit of carefully placed blurring would get rid of nipples. But he places huge objects over their worst bits and pretends that the problem is now solved, and that they look great naked..... Don't get it. If the chair is removed, do they still look great??? or will they still be unhappy looking at their stomachs/breasts??


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 irishharpie


    I can understand where your coming from Pookie, but I can see how the show does help women. I mean when you think about it the real reason behind it all is about confidence. These women just have no confidence in themselves what so ever and the thought that anyone might actually see them is beyond horrifying to them. Wan helps them to over come that, he simply gives them that confidence and shows them what it could be like. After that I believe it's up to each one to do what they have to make themselves feel better in regards to their own body, but for the moment he's building the foundations for them so that later they can decide what path they want to go down.


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