Gok Wan

JaneyMc

So what do people think of Mr Wan and is anybody watching his new show?


I absolutley love him. Was a bit disapointed when I saw this though : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-557940/How-feel-BAD-naked-A-model-reveals-fashion-guru-Gok-Wan-vile-scenes.html

But while the show's participants basked in admiration and praise from Gok Wan, the models who had flanked them on the catwalk faced an altogether different reception backstage.
In a show of venom and acerbity unseen on screen, Gok called the models "sl*gs" and "dirty little sl*ts".
In further insults too vile to print, he later singled out 25-year-old model Daisy Idwal Jones, making obscene and derogatory comments about her body in front of at least 20 people, including one of the show's producers.
His explanation? A self-satisfied: "I'm rich. I can do what I f*****g like."
And to make matters worse, this was not the first, or the last time the girls would face such abuse over the three days of filming, which took place at Manchester's Trafford Centre last spring.
It certainly paints a different picture of the self-promoting stylist who launches a new series of How To Look Good Naked on Channel 4 tonight.
He has been described as a "saint" by the ordinary women whose lives he has apparently transformed by attempting to instill in them a confidence in their own bodies, while helping them to choose clothes, which will flatter their figures

Its really long and thats only part of it but I hope its not true.

irishharpie

I personally love him, his range of clothes are fabulous and for real women (not those sticks that have no shape), the thing's he does for women to get their confidence up is amazing and he really does know what he's doing.

I really hope that's not true as well, there is always a chance that she is just a disgruntled ex employee.

Has Gok made a reply about it????

Miss Fluff

I absolutely love him! I read a long interview with him recently and if anything he seemed hugely humble and very likeable. Hope the above is not true.

Piste

Gok Wan is fantastic! I always get a fuzzy glow of happiness after watching How to Look Good Naeked

I'm dubious.....I wouldn't wipe my arse with the dailymail.

irishharpie

Exactly, most of those newspapers are just tabloid trash and would print anything if it'll get us to buy it.

But I am really interested to see if Gok Wan has said anything about these allegations.

He really is amazing though and even if it is true it won't stop me from buying his clothes.

pookie82

He's a complete and utter insincere twat. All that faked "my heart bleeds for you" and "go for it sister!" sh*te he goes on with on that show makes me want to vomit. Acting like he gives a crap about the women when all he wants is air time and more cash. The last straw was when he appeared on the Sex and the City red carpet premiere and started strutting around like a dressed up dog telling all the "sisters" they looked "scrumptious" and "to-die-for" and licking up to SJP in the most repellent way possible.

He is a sad sad man.

greenapplesea

pookie82 wrote: »

He's a complete and utter insincere twat. All that faked "my heart bleeds for you" and "go for it sister!" sh*te he goes on with on that show makes me want to vomit. Acting like he gives a crap about the women when all he wants is air time and more cash. The last straw was when he appeared on the Sex and the City red carpet premiere and started strutting around like a dressed up dog telling all the "sisters" they looked "scrumptious" and "to-die-for" and licking up to SJP in the most repellent way possible.

He is a sad sad man.

A bit harsh!!! What's wrong with telling the SATC girls they looked "scrumptious"? They do!

Everyone on TV obviously wants more cash and a chance to increase their popularity (hello!!! they're celebrities!!!) but at least Gok is doing something meaningful and worthwhile. He genuinely feels that there is too much pressure put on women to be a perfect size zero and is trying to rebuild confidence. Not only that but he is promoting alternative solutions to body shape issues, encouraging women to avoid plastic surgery, which is a massive issue in today's society.

And I don't think he's insincere in his methods- I've read countless interviews with him and he always comes across as being really down to earth and considerate. He shows women how to feel good about themselves- how many shows have you seen that do this without suggesting that women lose weight or get plastic surgery??

And to be fair, he is actually good at styling- these women look fantastic by the end and elude confidence and happiness because of his efforts.

It is shows and magazines that promote plastic surgery and idolise size zero celebrities that "make me vomit", not Gok Wan's admirable efforts at promoting positive body images among today's women.

He's fantastic- love him!!!!

JaneyMc

Glad to hear all the positive responses to him, I really do think he is amazing and I think the type of show he does was long overdue, with the average clothes size being 14 there really should be more fashion shows geared towards the average woman with the average amount of money to spend rather than the stick women with loads of money.

Yay Gok.

greenapplesea

JaneyMc wrote: »

Yay Gok.

Here here!!!

irishharpie

All the love for Gok Wan! You really do have to appreciate what he's doing for these women, especially in today's society were going under the knife is all the rage and food who eats it!

He takes care of real women and he shows them how to flaunt what they got. He's the kind of designer we have needed for a long time!

speedboatchase

"real women"

:rolleyes: Here we go again...

Latchy

Can see were he might appeal to some sections of society but am not exactly sure who ........ah yes remember now , women

JaneyMc

speedboatchase wrote: »

"real women"

:rolleyes: Here we go again...

I think the term "the average woman" is what was meant...

pookie82

greenapplesea wrote: »

A bit harsh!!! What's wrong with telling the SATC girls they looked "scrumptious"? They do!

Everyone on TV obviously wants more cash and a chance to increase their popularity (hello!!! they're celebrities!!!) but at least Gok is doing something meaningful and worthwhile. He genuinely feels that there is too much pressure put on women to be a perfect size zero and is trying to rebuild confidence. Not only that but he is promoting alternative solutions to body shape issues, encouraging women to avoid plastic surgery, which is a massive issue in today's society.

And I don't think he's insincere in his methods- I've read countless interviews with him and he always comes across as being really down to earth and considerate. He shows women how to feel good about themselves- how many shows have you seen that do this without suggesting that women lose weight or get plastic surgery??

And to be fair, he is actually good at styling- these women look fantastic by the end and elude confidence and happiness because of his efforts.

It is shows and magazines that promote plastic surgery and idolise size zero celebrities that "make me vomit", not Gok Wan's admirable efforts at promoting positive body images among today's women.

He's fantastic- love him!!!!

I thought the SATC girls looked horrendous to be honest. SJP looked ridiculous with that feather crap on her head and the dress was a disgusting colour. in fact the normally not-so-nice redhead was the only decent looking one on the carpet!!!

I just can't stand all his faffing about he comes across as a real knob to me. My take on him is that underneath it all he's insincere. By the way what's the deal with the how-to-look-good-naked show that strips the women and then shoves a huge chair/blanket/strategically placed picture or whatever in front of all of their wobbly bits?????? That kind of defeats the purpose of them looking good naked. "You look great love but I just need to get sth in the way of that tummy flab/droopy boobs"!! Myself and my mates were roaring laughing one evening looking at a "naked" picture that covered all the wobbly bits!!! If the poor woman really had been naked I don't think it would have looked very good at all. And I know this is really not PC and i'll probably get a roasting for sayin this but he sends poor women out onto a catwalk infront of their extended families in their underwear and a few of them have looked really awful. I've cringed many a time seeing what he sends out. No amount of hairspray and plastered on make up can detract from the fact that they really shouldn't be parading around in their underwear.

If they're delighted with themselves fair enough but I can't warm to him at all. Watching him strut around the red carpet that evening and acting "fabalos daaaaaaarling" made my stomach turn. i have no difficulty believing what the papers said about him whatsoever. Always struck me as that kind of guy.

FruitLover

irishharpie wrote: »

his range of clothes are fabulous and for real women (not those sticks that have no shape)

Are slim women "fake"?

Or are you just flabby and bitter?

LadyMayBelle

I love Gok Wan, I can't wait for the show tonight..compared to Trinny and Tranny who tell you to nip and tuck, he works from the inside out by telling the girls to like what they have and work with it..I think it's wonderful how he brings introverted woman into confidence...I would love to go on the show tbh!! Might make me make an effort these wet miserable mornings!

Don't diss Gok!!

pookie82

FruitLover wrote: »

Are slim women "fake"?

Or are you just flabby and bitter?

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Piste

My mum got me his book How To Look Good Naked for Christmas as she knows I'm a big fan, it's great, really makes you feel good about yourself!

pookie82

Piste wrote: »

My mum got me his book How To Look Good Naked for Christmas as she knows I'm a big fan, it's great, really makes you feel good about yourself!

In what way????

Léan

He bugs me to no end. He doesn't even have good styling tips or anything, some of the stuff he dresses the girls on the show in are utter rubbish.

I'm so sick of this British crap where it's all "oh you've great tits love show them off" :rolleyes: etc.. Oh please. It's so tacky and stupid. I don't see the attraction at all.

What a load of hype.

princess-sprkle

I absolutely love gok!

certain shows (ten years younger & trinny and susannah) focus so much on the negative, like how bad they looked before. Gok is much more positive, surely a good thing? More girls need to believe they're fabulous as they are
cheesy but sure why not?!

LivingDeadGirl

I really don't see how he's helping these women 'love their own bodies' when half the time he's shoving them into body slimmers, how is trying to look smaller/less flabby loving their own bodies? It's just trying to hide what they really look like, how self accepting is that? He just pisses me off anyway, annoying twat.

LadyMayBelle

Livingdeadgirl, i think what he tries so do is show them what they can do with what they have got, so that they feel better about themselves,rather than change them..he never tells anyone to lose weight,or that they look terrible as trinny and tranny do. i would love to get his book

pookie82

I watched bits of his programme this evening after reading this thread. Every single one of his models were sticks. The outfits he threw together - one of which was an appalling puffball and knee sock ensemble - would hardly be kind to a size 14/16. If he's such a champion of the larger lady, how come his latest outfits are geared for the sticks?

Better still, how about telling the overweight and out-of-shape women he deals with to exercise and lose the flab???? Why is it suddenly a grave sin to tell someone honestly "yes, you're overweight and to look your best, AND BE HEALTHY, you should lose it"? I don't like the idea of demonising someone telling a woman who is clearly bigger than she should be to lose weight. Instead he sends these poor deluded women out infront of thousands in their underwear and makes a complete gimp of them.

Why are so many women in such denial about their weight and the ways to shift it/make themselves look better? They'll try every fad diet in the book and then whinge when they're still bigger than they'd like. They'll buy every book they can to read up on how to dress to their advantage. i'll bet when they go out on a Saturday night they spare no effort on their hair and make up and body-kind outfit. Why the bloody resistance to GETTING FIT??????? If you want to look your best stop throwing money away on books and fads and strategically placed clothes and just go to the gym!!! You'll feel and look a hell of a lot better than if you squeeze yourself into a tiny corset to squash unwanted flesh out of the way. It's not rocket science.

Mrs_Doyle

JaneyMc wrote: »

So what do people think of Mr Wan and is anybody watching his new show?
I absolutley love him. Was a bit disapointed when I saw this though : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-557940/How-feel-BAD-naked-A-model-reveals-fashion-guru-Gok-Wan-vile-scenes.html
Its really long and thats only part of it but I hope its not true.

Oh I hope that's not true, I really like him.
I love 'How to Look Good Naked' and his new Fashion show, and I even buy Look magazine just to read his column.

greenapplesea

pookie82 wrote: »

By the way what's the deal with the how-to-look-good-naked show that strips the women and then shoves a huge chair/blanket/strategically placed picture or whatever in front of all of their wobbly bits?????? That kind of defeats the purpose of them looking good naked. "You look great love but I just need to get sth in the way of that tummy flab/droopy boobs"!! Myself and my mates were roaring laughing one evening looking at a "naked" picture that covered all the wobbly bits!!! If the poor woman really had been naked I don't think it would have looked very good at all. And I know this is really not PC and i'll probably get a roasting for sayin this but he sends poor women out onto a catwalk infront of their extended families in their underwear and a few of them have looked really awful. I've cringed many a time seeing what he sends out. No amount of hairspray and plastered on make up can detract from the fact that they really shouldn't be parading around in their underwear.

Looking at your comment it seems that your concerns lie not so much with Gok but with the women who are not a perfect size 8 and the fact that they feel confident enought to walk around in their underwear. Why the hell shouldn't they?? And who are you to say they don't look well?? Perhaps they don't live up to the idea of the perfect body that has been forced on you by today's media, but in other people's eyes (such as their supportive friends and family) they look fabulous.

And in my opinion (feel free to contradict me) I think the point of the sheets and things is actually to cover parts of their bodies that the women personally don't want to show on tv- such as their vaginas!! This is completely normal given that the average woman would NOT feel comfortable bearing this on national tv! I mean, would you??

It takes alot of confidence to show other people what your body looks like naked and I think we should be commending these women for being able to do this, not slating them.

Unfortunately some women will never be secure enough in their bodies because they have a sense of fear because people like you are still going to judge them on their weight.

irishharpie

FruitLover wrote: »

Are slim women "fake"?

Or are you just flabby and bitter?

lol, no by real women I mean actual women. I tend to find that most fashion designer's never really take into consideration how the clothes will hang on women when designing them, but I've never had a problem with the anyway of the Dorothy Perkin's range or Gok Wan's own brand.

oh and just to clear it up, by sticks that have no shape, I was reffering to the mannequin's.

greenapplesea

pookie82 wrote: »

Why are so many women in such denial about their weight and the ways to shift it/make themselves look better? They'll try every fad diet in the book and then whinge when they're still bigger than they'd like. They'll buy every book they can to read up on how to dress to their advantage. i'll bet when they go out on a Saturday night they spare no effort on their hair and make up and body-kind outfit. Why the bloody resistance to GETTING FIT??????? If you want to look your best stop throwing money away on books and fads and strategically placed clothes and just go to the gym!!! You'll feel and look a hell of a lot better than if you squeeze yourself into a tiny corset to squash unwanted flesh out of the way. It's not rocket science.

Must be nice to be so "perfect"...

pookie82

You're the one sounding bitter now. I never said that I was perfect. Can you quote me on that?????

What I DID say is that it can't do any harm whatsoever to actually tell a woman who is carrying too much weight to lose it. A lot of those women are. Again, your response has proven what i find so hard to grasp, why some women take so unkindly to being told that getting fit is the most likely and safe path to looking good and feeling great. I never advocated getting down to a size eight. You can be a 14 and tone up to look great. Would that not be a better path to send those ladies down than squeezing them into corsets and pretending the flab is gone???? Why the MASSIVE resistance to being told "why not exercise"???? it seems women will go to many lengths to avoid the gym and buy books and other merchandise to then disguise the extra pounds.

You mention that the idea of a perfect body has been forced on me by today's media. Quite to the contrary. I don't touch gossip or body image magazines like many fashion conscious people on here seem to. If you take a look at the Heat mag thread over in LL you'll see I detest those sh*t rags. I do, however, believe that to look and feel your best, you should work out, and for that to be demonised distresses me greatly. I never advocated shrinking to zero or goign OTT but I DO advocate doing sth about what really distresses these women IN THE LONG TERM besides making them up for the evening and parading them around. WHen they go home and take off their clothes, they're left with the same problem that originally made them unhappy. Considering the show is CALLED "How to Look Good Naked", he doesn't make a difference in that regard.

Obviously these women, to go on tv, will need some bits blurred out (nipples, vagina area). But firstly, as they rarely pose legs akimbo, I don't think it requires an entire sheet to strategically cover the top of their legs. A bit of carefully placed blurring would get rid of nipples. But he places huge objects over their worst bits and pretends that the problem is now solved, and that they look great naked..... Don't get it. If the chair is removed, do they still look great??? or will they still be unhappy looking at their stomachs/breasts??

irishharpie

I can understand where your coming from Pookie, but I can see how the show does help women. I mean when you think about it the real reason behind it all is about confidence. These women just have no confidence in themselves what so ever and the thought that anyone might actually see them is beyond horrifying to them. Wan helps them to over come that, he simply gives them that confidence and shows them what it could be like. After that I believe it's up to each one to do what they have to make themselves feel better in regards to their own body, but for the moment he's building the foundations for them so that later they can decide what path they want to go down.

doctor evil

Pookie82 that is not what the show is about!, if they went around saying loose a bit of weight first it would take longer and be more expensive filming.

The program is about how to instil confidence, dress to suit your shape in the here and now. Its for helping women already at 'crisis' point. Fair play to the folks that get their kit off on it as it shows they are comfortable with their bodies which is a very precious thing.

'How to look good naked' deals with all sizes and shapes, just because a person is on it does not mean they need to loose weight. Have you seen the woman who survived breast cancer on it?, she was very petite.

ggirl

I love the show and believe the essence of it is that it is all about confidence. There are plenty of slim women who think they look huge and larger women who love their bodies. Yes, in an ideal world we would all eat well and be a healthy size and weight but, for whatever reason, many of us haven't reached the point where we commit to that. It is not as simple as just deciding to change your lifestyle, I think you have to be at apoint in your life where you are ready to emotionally. Many women, myself included, have complicated issues with food and self-image. Gok helps women see that they can be fabulous no matter what size they are and that is wonderful as far as I am concerned. Reaching a point where we can love ourselves is something money can't buy. I was a size 8 all my life until 6 years ago I had to go on a lot of medication. In three months I ballooned to a size 14 (and I am only 4' 11"). I was devastated and no matter how I ate, walked, swam nothing would shift the weight and I hated my body for years. I am finally a curvy size twelve and for the first time really happy with how I look. I need to tone up but admit I have so far been too lazy to go to the gym regularly and only I can change that. The point is though my confidence (for medical and physical reasons) has improved greatly and that is why I really feel different. It is a gift no money could buy for me and if Gok can help a few women feel as I do I think he is absolutely wonderful.

pookie82

irishharpie wrote: »

I can understand where your coming from Pookie, but I can see how the show does help women. I mean when you think about it the real reason behind it all is about confidence. These women just have no confidence in themselves what so ever and the thought that anyone might actually see them is beyond horrifying to them. Wan helps them to over come that, he simply gives them that confidence and shows them what it could be like. After that I believe it's up to each one to do what they have to make themselves feel better in regards to their own body, but for the moment he's building the foundations for them so that later they can decide what path they want to go down.

That's fair enough.

It's just that I predicted the bitter and hostile reaction that i provoked by saying why not just lose the weight??? Some women take it so personally. Why is it such a sin to be told to do so? Yes it will take a long time, but it'll pay off far more then hiding your real shape with clothes that draw attention to this and away from that but it's all the same underneath when the clothes are off. It scares me to see the angry reaction that shows get when they DO tell women to lose the extra weight. The size zero trend has turned on its head and now you're not allowed to honestly say to someone "your not at the right weight and you should work to tone up/lose the extra pounds." you're accused of buying into the media enforced perception of what's perfect. Not at all. You're advocating health and a far more long term solution to the problem than covering it with horizontal stripes.

And back to the point in question. I also just hate Gok!!! He was prancing around last night calling Joan Collins "angel" all night. The guy reeks of fake to me.

greenapplesea

Pookie, in saying that these women don't look well and that they need to do something about it you are indirectly saying that being heavy is the wrong way for women to look, as if there is a "right" way. There is nothing wrong with being a larger size, and telling people that they are overweight and NEED to exercise to do something about this weight is insulting. You are advocating that being smaller is better by suggesting that larger women should not be strutting around in their underwear.

It is also unfair of you to say that these women should just exercise- many of the women that have appeared on Gok's show are active, sporty, fit women who feel that their larger frames make them feel unfeminine. Some smaller more petite women have also appeared on the show who are just unhappy with certain body parts. It's slightly ignorant to assume that the majority of these women don't exercise and suggest that they should do so as a common solution. There are people who do exercise and eat healthy and still find it difficult to lose weight because of their build. Assuming that all heavier people don't exercise and eat badly is like assuming that all thinner people are anorexic.

I am against you labelling my response as a common reaction to what you are trying to advocate pookie- I'm not saying that promoting a healthier lifestyle is wrong (I exercise regularly and eat well myself). I am just saying that people should not judge larger women against their assumptions that thinner is better.

And I do think that you calling my reaction "hostile" and "bitter" is overly dramatic. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I should not be criticised for challenging yours.

pookie82

greenapplesea wrote: »

Pookie, in saying that these women don't look well and that they need to do something about it you are indirectly saying that being heavy is the wrong way for women to look, as if there is a "right" way. There is nothing wrong with being a larger size, and telling people that they are overweight and NEED to exercise to do something about this weight is insulting. You are advocating that being smaller is better by suggesting that larger women should not be strutting around in their underwear.

It is also unfair of you to say that these women should just exercise- many of the women that have appeared on Gok's show are active, sporty, fit women who feel that their larger frames make them feel unfeminine. Some smaller more petite women have also appeared on the show who are just unhappy with certain body parts. It's slightly ignorant to assume that the majority of these women don't exercise and suggest that they should do so as a common solution. There are people who do exercise and eat healthy and still find it difficult to lose weight because of their build. Assuming that all heavier people don't exercise and eat badly is like assuming that all thinner people are anorexic.

I am against you labelling my response as a common reaction to what you are trying to advocate pookie- I'm not saying that promoting a healthier lifestyle is wrong (I exercise regularly and eat well myself). I am just saying that people should not judge larger women against their assumptions that thinner is better.

And I do think that you calling my reaction "hostile" and "bitter" is overly dramatic. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I should not be criticised for challenging yours.

If you don't want to come across as hostile and bitter I suggest you don't quote me then and put a petty "must be nice to be so perfect" after it. i have yet to see you back up your assumption that I think i'm perfect. Where, pray tell, do i mention this??? Where do I discuss myself at all??? Enlighten me, please.

"Telling people that they are overweight and need to exercise to do something about the weight is insulting." Really? They're the ones crying on TV. I didn't walk up to them in the street and tell them this. But if they wanted to hear the truth about something that's usually significantly adding to their problem, I'd bloddy well tell them. Do you think a GP would back you up on your "it's ok to be overweight and no one should DARE tell me otherwise" if you went into his office complaining of high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes and a heart condition? Don't give me this sactimonious cr*p that bigger can be better when so often it puts people's health at risk. No medical professional will back you up on that.

"I am against you labelling my response as a common reaction to what you are trying to advocate pookie- I'm not saying that promoting a healthier lifestyle is wrong (I exercise regularly and eat well myself). I am just saying that people should not judge larger women against their assumptions that thinner is better."

And I'm saying when a bit of exercise is suggested there shouldn't be an outcry of "leave me alone! I'm totally happy at my size!" Fine, then don't come on TV blubbling about it. I'm not running up to people in the street telling them to exercise. I coudln't give a cr*p what they do with their bodies. BUT when someone comes on TV clearly upset with how they look, if they needed to shed a few pounds I'd swop PC for honesty and just bloody well say it.

It's clear we feel very differently about this. We could go on all day.

greenapplesea

pookie82 wrote: »

If you don't want to come across as hostile and bitter I suggest you don't quote me then and put a petty "must be nice to be so perfect" after it. i have yet to see you back up your assumption that I think i'm perfect. Where, pray tell, do i mention this??? Where do I discuss myself at all??? Enlighten me, please.

"Telling people that they are overweight and need to exercise to do something about the weight is insulting." Really? They're the ones crying on TV. I didn't walk up to them in the street and tell them this. But if they wanted to hear the truth about something that's usually significantly adding to their problem, I'd bloddy well tell them. Do you think a GP would back you up on your if you went into his office complaining of high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes and a heart condition? Don't give me this sactimonious cr*p that bigger can be better when so often it puts people's health at risk. No medical professional will back you up on that.

"I am against you labelling my response as a common reaction to what you are trying to advocate pookie- I'm not saying that promoting a healthier lifestyle is wrong (I exercise regularly and eat well myself). I am just saying that people should not judge larger women against their assumptions that thinner is better."

And I'm saying when a bit of exercise is suggested there shouldn't be an outcry of "leave me alone! I'm totally happy at my size!" Fine, then don't come on TV blubbling about it. I'm not running up to people in the street telling them to exercise. I coudln't give a cr*p what they do with their bodies. BUT when someone comes on TV clearly upset with how they look, if they needed to shed a few pounds I'd swop PC for honesty and just bloody well say it.

It's clear we feel very differently about this. We could go on all day.

I think it's quite clear (from your tone and choice of classic phrasing!) who is coming across as hostile now Pookie. I never said "it's ok to be overweight and no one should DARE tell me otherwise"- if you feel like misinterpreting my comments to better your own argument then do (if that makes you feel better).

"i have yet to see you back up your assumption that I think i'm perfect. Where, pray tell, do i mention this??? Where do I discuss myself at all??? Enlighten me, please."

As I thought I have already explained, the assumption that you think you are perfect comes from my impression that rather than simply offering you're opinion, you are preaching. You are being disrespectful to larger women and putting them down by saying that you and your friends laughed your arses off at them when they looked ridiculous on tv. Saying that they should not be walking around in their underwear because they are heavy is just downright rude. And being able to make these comments about other women must mean that you consider yourself to be better than them.

I never said anything about people within the medical profession, I never once said that I was in a better position to talk about people's weight in relation to their medical history/situation- you're grasping here and I'm not even going to comment on this.

Being smart and condescending isn't going to make me decide "yeah, you know what, Pookie is actually right". One thing you are actually right about though is that we aren't going to agree on this matter so I'm standing to my comments and opinion but I'm respectfully bowing out.

pookie82

greenapplesea wrote: »

I think it's quite clear (from your tone and choice of classic phrasing!) who is coming across as hostile now Pookie. I never said "it's ok to be overweight and no one should DARE tell me otherwise"- if you feel like misinterpreting my comments to better your own argument then do (if that makes you feel better).

"i have yet to see you back up your assumption that I think i'm perfect. Where, pray tell, do i mention this??? Where do I discuss myself at all??? Enlighten me, please."

As I thought I have already explained, the assumption that you think you are perfect comes from my impression that rather than simply offering you're opinion, you are preaching. You are being disrespectful to larger women and putting them down by saying that you and your friends laughed your arses off at them when they looked ridiculous on tv. Saying that they should not be walking around in their underwear because they are heavy is just downright rude. And being able to make these comments about other women must mean that you consider yourself to be better than them.

I never said anything about people within the medical profession, I never once said that I was in a better position to talk about people's weight in relation to their medical history/situation- you're grasping here and I'm not even going to comment on this.

Being smart and condescending isn't going to make me decide "yeah, you know what, Pookie is actually right". One thing you are actually right about though is that we aren't going to agree on this matter so I'm standing to my comments and opinion but I'm respectfully bowing out.

If you care to re-read said comment you'll find that myself and my mates were laughing our asses off at the fact that the show is called "how to look good naked" but then covers all the bad bits with a chair, thereby defeating the purpose: - "you look good naked as long as your wobbly bits are covered, thereby making it as about as useful as dressing the bad bits in the first place." I never said i was laughing at how they looked. i don't think it's a laughable matter at all. So you can wind your neck in on that one.

And you do well to rephrase your accusation as an ASSUMPTION that I thought I was perfect. that's all it was: An assumption on your part. you get this from thinking I laugh at larger ladies with my friends. On the contrary, I laugh at the absurdity of a show which claims to make you look good minus clothes, but replaces said clothes with items of furniture. As you said yourself, your getting offended on behalf of larger women comes from your own ASSUMPTION and IMPRESSION. Not fact.

You can't go around telling people not to mention the "overweight" word when you see fit in case it causes offense. If I see it, I'll say it. this is a typical reversal of the size zero debate. You can't advocate the underweight and skinny look now. Ok, fine, about time. But when that spills over into don't mention the fact that someone might be overweight when you see it AND it's making them unhappy, we're in no better a position as a society then we were in the middle of the skinny debate.

pookie82

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There is nothing wrong with being a larger size, and telling people that they are overweight and NEED to exercise to do something about this weight is insulting.

just for the record, this here comment is the reason i brought up the whole medical profession disagreeing with you issue.Where do you draw the line?? If you put fear of insult before health issues you're going to have a lot of overweight and sick people running around.

akamossy

:Dlove gok wan, he's brill and his range of clothes are fab