kbannon as learning to drive mod

justsomebloke

Ok came across this post in AH by kbannon and was then quite surprised to see that he is that Mod of the learning to drive forum

kbannon wrote: »

Not all speeding equals dangerous driving!
As for drink driving, as I have said on here before, I did this plenty of times while I was young and invincible; 99% of the time on rural roads and in some situations I was absolutely polluted. I think the main reason I was never in an accident was because I very rarely met oncoming traffic or other hazards. That was dangerous of me.
However I still believe that exceeding the speed limit in many of my situations (especially dual carriageway & motorway) does not necessarily post a safety risk.

So should someone who admits that he use to drink and drive and still admits to breaking the law be a Mod of Learning to Drive.

bubonicus

'Learning to drive drunk' forum FTW:D

pvt.joker

I agree, his attitude was absolutely disgraceful in that thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055309169&page=4


He is still arguing his point that speeding is ok and that he regularly does it.

Sherifu

*rabble*

geuro

Just want to add my name to this feedback. this guy should not be moderating any forum related to road safety or learning to drive. He is irresponsible and is setting a very poor example to new road users. Road deaths in this country are out of control, usually because of drivers taking alcohol or breaking speed limits. This moderator is setting a terrible example, he should be removed as moderator of the learning to drive forum as he doesn't know how one should drive on our roads

Boggles

No point pursuing this, you won't catch him!!

togster

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javaboy

So the mod of the learning to drive forum admits that he used to drink and drive. He says it was stupid and dangerous and it was only by luck that he wasn't killed. He is now in a very good position to pass on what he has learned from his mistake to others.

As for the speeding thing, a huge amount of drivers in this country break the speed limits on the better roads such as dual carriageways and motorways. In many cases the limits are too low and should be adjusted. I doubt kbannon is advocating driving recklessly or dangerously. Anyone who has seen my posts on the motors forum will know that I am pretty much anti-speeding but there is a difference between a person who speeds recklessly and dangerously and a person who exceeds a speed limit which they reasonable consider to be too low.

If kbannon was still drink driving, there'd be a problem but he's not. If he was encouraging all learner drivers to speed outside schools and what not, there'd be a problem but he's not.

I don't agree with his position on speeding but it's not unreasonable and doesn't detract from his abilities to moderate the forum.


Also... rabble.

6th

And if any of the mods of the Christianity Forum have ever sinned should be get rid of them too?

Boggles

Steve

Children, when you all grow up then you'll understand what "IN THE PAST" means.

KB is an excellent motors mod and long may it continue.

At least he is experienced enough to comment on the issue when all you kids aren't.

justsomebloke

javaboy wrote: »

there is a difference between a person who speeds recklessly and dangerously and a person who exceeds a speed limit which they reasonable consider to be too low.

But it is still against the law and can lead to deaths, just cause you think you are in control doesn't mean you are

Ron DMC

This is the first time that I've seen threads on the same subject in both AH and Feedback where the Feedback thread descending into anarchy and jokes before the AH thread.

Usually the other way around.

6th

Jsb, listen for a second and you might just get it. You started this thread about kbannons ability to mod not about the ethics of how he drives. He is a great mod. FACT.

If you have a problem with how he drives I suggest you stalk him and report his movements to the garda .... or kidnap him and dont let him go until he realises how wrong he was.

Anti

While i think kbannon was foolish admitting he has driven intoxicated, that has nothing to do with how he moderates his forum.

John Mason

javaboy wrote: »

As for the speeding thing, a huge amount of drivers in this country break the speed limits on the better roads such as dual carriageways and motorways.

Just because everyone else is doing it, means it okay, does it?

just like the learner drivers, ah sure everyone is driving without an accompanied driver, so its okay.

i say to hell with the rules of the road, everyone just do whatever you like

seamus

Last time I checked, being a moderator wasn't a political position and didn't require any PR spin to look good to your public.
It also doesn't require a Garda background check nor a clean criminal record.

He's admitted to having done stupid things and broken the law when he was younger. We all have. He acknowledges that it was dumb and he doesn't do it now. If we could all stand up to the stupid things we did in our younger years and admit we were idiots, the world would be a better place.

The speeding point is moot. He's not advocating dangerous driving nor telling people to go out and break the law.

kbannon has been in that position longer than most and has been doing a great job. What he does in his personal life is irrelevant.

javaboy

jsb wrote: »

But it is still against the law and can lead to deaths, just cause you think you are in control doesn't mean you are

Do me a favour and don't lecture me on speeding. I'm sure plenty of people remember my rants against speeding on the motors forums. I'm very much anti-speeding but I can tell the difference between someone who is a reckless scumbag cnut (and whatever else DesF said in that thread) and someone who reasons that it is safe to travel at a higher than posted speed on a particular road. They might be wrong about that sometimes but there are absolutely without a doubt situations where the limit is unneccessarily low.

I can't believe I'm defending the speeders here (bet stevec and IrishSpeedTraps etc. never thought they'd see that) but this kind of witch hunt is stupid and the abuse kbannon got in that AH thread was disgraceful.

javaboy

irishbird wrote: »

Just because everyone else is doing it, means it okay, does it?

just like the learner drivers, ah sure everyone is driving without an accompanied driver, so its okay.

i say to hell with the rules of the road, everyone just do whatever you like

:rolleyes: Yeah that's what I said alright. Anarchy+selective reading ftw!

CuLT

Javaboy has put it succinctly, I don't see what else needs to be said here.

Anti

inb4lock

John Mason

I used to work in a solicitors litagation office.

I have read the reports, seen photos of what driving 10km over the speed limit can do to people never mind 50km a hour.

when are people going to learn speed kills.

i dont care whether it is motorway or not. Irish people are sh.ite drivers how many people do you see on the motorway not using their indicators or mirrors?

Seth Brundle

For Christs sake!
I did something almost 20 years ago and I admit to being stupid for doing it and you start bitching. Honestly, you should get a life!
As for my speeding, should I have lied about it and said that I am an angel?

Rowley Birkin QC

In defence of kbannon:

I too have driven drunk in my youth, unbelieveably irresponsible and indefensively stupid. Luckily I never cause harm to myself or others.

However, I did, very quickly, learn my lesson and copped on to myself as to how dangerous this practice is and won't even have a single drink now before I drive or drive until at least 14 hours after my last drink after a night out on the razz.

The point I'm trying to make is that kbannon knows the stupid things that young drivers do when they are feeling "invincible" and that puts him in a good position to advise people against these idiotic activities.

WhiteWashMan

jsb wrote: »

Ok came across this post in AH by kbannon and was then quite surprised to see that he is that Mod of the learning to drive forum


So should someone who admits that he use to drink and drive and still admits to breaking the law be a Mod of Learning to Drive.

the islam moderator is not islamic.
some of the university mods are not in university.
th mods of the celebrity forum are not celbrities.
the mods of the mythology are real.

are you seeing where im going with this?#

an opinion or a belief that you hold personally, or an experience that youve had, does not define your ability to moderate a forum

personally, i think he is an excellent mod.

Marcus.Aurelius

TBH, I find kbannon the most moderate of moderators, easily the best I've come across on my short posting life, and that's not easy, the other motors mods are very easy to get along with too.

The past is the past, things have radically changed regarding driving safety, including attitudes. The fact that he realises that such is no longer acceptable is fine by me.

As for the speeding, any advanced driver will tell you he's 100% right, speeding is subjective and rarely has anything to do with this governments appalling speed limit blanket approach.

Motors as a category runs vey smoothly, I don't see the issue

Boggles

kbannon wrote: »

As for my speeding, should I have lied about it and said that I am an angel?

In hindsight, probably.

geuro

stevec wrote: »

Children, when you all grow up then you'll understand what "IN THE PAST" means.

KB is an excellent motors mod and long may it continue.

At least he is experienced enough to comment on the issue when all you kids aren't.

There is no need for patronising messages here, i don't think there are any children who have made a comment here so far.

At the end of the day, when a person is learning to drive, they should learn to drive legally, safely etc. And no matter how good a driver you are, or how convinced you may be that the speed limits aren't high enough, it is illegal to break the speed limit. Speeding causes far too many people to die on our roads. To be honest, i find it hard to understand how anyone can excuse the mod of a learning to drive forum saying that speeding is ok. that is some sort of a subjective concept that should come down to individual judgement.

Steve

javaboy wrote: »

I can't believe I'm defending the speeders here (bet stevec and IrishSpeedTraps etc. never thought they'd see that)

I'm feelin' the brother java.


*there's loads of posts here that I want to thank but I've run out.

seamus

Or maybe when a thread about speeding comes up, everyone should be required to post a disclaimer at the bottom of each post;

"I speed, and to claim otherwise is bull****. If I claim that all speeding is wrong in the above post, I acknowledge that I'm a complete hypocrite."

Mena

javaboy wrote: »

Do me a favour and don't lecture me on speeding. I'm sure plenty of people remember my rants against speeding on the motors forums. I'm very much anti-speeding but I can tell the difference between someone who is a reckless scumbag cnut (and whatever else DesF said in that thread) and someone who reasons that it is safe to travel at a higher than posted speed on a particular road. They might be wrong about that sometimes but there are absolutely without a doubt situations where the limit is unneccessarily low.

I can't believe I'm defending the speeders here (bet stevec and IrishSpeedTraps etc. never thought they'd see that) but this kind of witch hunt is stupid and the abuse kbannon got in that AH thread was disgraceful.

Sorry, had to QFE that. Well said.

Beruthiel

This pitchfork needs a cat.

seamus

geuro wrote: »

To be honest, i find it hard to understand how anyone can excuse the mod of a learning to drive forum saying that speeding is ok.

Why? Is he being paid to be a role model to learner drivers? Is his function to tell learner drivers the correct way to drive? Did I miss the memo where moderators are supposed to be teachers instead of caretakers?

Seth Brundle

Beruthiel wrote: »

This pitchfork needs a cat.

Apparently I'm a big bad killer. Give me the fork and I'll skewer a cat for you!

Steve

geuro wrote: »

There is no need for patronising messages here, i don't think there are any children who have made a comment here so far.

There is a need.

Most of the posters are 'children' compared to the 20 odd years of experience that KB has.

Marcus.Aurelius

stevec wrote: »

There is a need.

Most of the posters are 'children' compared to the 20 odd years of experience that KB has.

+1

Sparky

6th

Unless the modship is handed over to me I think kbannon should stay where he is!

Gone West

If he had any class, he'd just hang up his moderating boots.
You simply do not post about the forums about how you regularly speed and how you used to get polluted and drink drive all the time if you moderate the motors forum!

For everybody that posts in a thread, 10 people read it.
He set a poor example, and there are a lot of people know know people who have died due to drunk drivers. I'm sure that if any of the site admins or super mod team had lost a loved one to a drunk driver, that he would be immediately banned. I understand the mod soladarity thing, but there is a time and place for that and its not here.

Out of respect/shame/whatever I do think that kbannon should resign as moderator of motoring, or at least learning to drive. Speed and drinking are the two biggest killers on the roads. He has admitted to frequently doing both in past and present tenses. Regardless of anything else, it sets a bad example.

Perhaps I'm being overly harsh here, I'm sure people will let me know if I am anyways. But this is something I feel strongly about.

Marcus.Aurelius

6th wrote: »

Unless the modship is handed over to me I think kbannon should stay where he is!

what a great ide......



Wait, I see what you did there

geuro

+1

I am disappointed that the feedback forum on Boards is such a members club. What's the point in having a feedback forum if feedback is not taken seriously? It is clear that the moderator in question has the support of other mods regardless of what he said.

Boggles

Last one.

Marcus.Aurelius

geuro wrote: »

+1

I am disappointed that the feedback forum on Boards is such a members club. What's the point in having a feedback forum if feedback is not taken seriously? It is clear that the moderator in question has the support of other mods regardless of what he said.

Other moderators are only users outside of their own forums, the ultimate decision makers are the Admins. But other boards users and mods can use feedback to agree or disagree with the topic, but the decision is not ours to make.

I for one, disagree with the OP

Mena

I've heard of trial by media, at least that has some effect, positive or negative. Trial by Froum thought? Hmm, I wonder if Tom Clancy will pick this one up...

peasant

javaboy

FuzzyLogic wrote: »

If he had any class, he'd just hang up his moderating boots.
You simply do not post about the forums about how you regularly speed and how you used to get polluted and drink drive all the time if you moderate the motors forum!

For everybody that posts in a thread, 10 people read it.
He set a poor example, and there are a lot of people know know people who have died due to drunk drivers. I'm sure that if any of the site admins or super mod team had lost a loved one to a drunk driver, that he would be immediately banned. I understand the mod soladarity thing, but there is a time and place for that and its not here.

Out of respect/shame/whatever I do think that kbannon should resign as moderator of motoring, or at least learning to drive. Speed and drinking are the two biggest killers on the roads. He has admitted to frequently doing both in past and present tenses. Regardless of anything else, it sets a bad example.

Perhaps I'm being overly harsh here, I'm sure people will let me know if I am anyways. But this is something I feel strongly about.

What about ex-drug addicts who tour schools and tell the kids not to take drugs based on their past experience? He admitted to drink driving in the past and now rightly condemns it as wrong. That's a non-issue.

Why would a mod or admin ban him for admitting he used to drink drive and saying it was stupid? What rule would he have broken? This isn't mod solidarity. All I'm seeing is mob solidarity and some sensible people standing up to it.

He has admitted to frequently doing both in past and present tenses

Where did he say he still drinks and drives? Show me the post. He admits to speeding in certain circumstances. It doesn't affect his ability to moderate the forum and so there's no need for him to resign out of shame or otherwise.

6th

geuro wrote: »

+1

I am disappointed that the feedback forum on Boards is such a members club. What's the point in having a feedback forum if feedback is not taken seriously? It is clear that the moderator in question has the support of other mods regardless of what he said.

Man you talk some sh1t! How many examples of mods bashing other mods in feedback would you like? I can bring you a cup of tea and a STFU sandwich too if you like?

Anti

irishbird wrote: »

I used to work in a solicitors litagation office.

I have read the reports, seen photos of what driving 10km over the speed limit can do to people never mind 50km a hour.

when are people going to learn speed kills.

i dont care whether it is motorway or not. Irish people are sh.ite drivers how many people do you see on the motorway not using their indicators or mirrors?

Can you honestly say you have never speeded in yoru life? Not even when late for work or in a rush to get somewhere. The reason i ask is, you would be the first person in the world ever. Get over yourself, and drop that holier then thou attitude.

javaboy

6th wrote: »

Man you talk some sh1t! How many examples of mods bashing other mods in feedback would you like? I can bring you a cup of tea and a STFU sandwich too if you like?

Relax man. It wasn't aimed at you. They were complainin about the mods

6th

I haz survaylenz of fitnez nodz eatin' cheezeburgrz! banz themz!

6th

javaboy wrote: »

Relax man. It wasn't aimed at you. They were complainin about the mods

Thats a paddlin'