Amy Winehouse-lack of talent verified

ZakAttak

Anyone see Amy $hithouse at Glasto and/or the Mandela concert?They were both shown on BBC, live! hilarious, she was terrible- she was out of key,couldn't stand up properly and her backing singers ended up sounding alot better than her.

Worse part is this, she'll make the excuse that she was really high- and her fans will think,"oh that Amy Winehouse, she's so cooool!"

Surely those performances will be the death of her career?

stovelid

ZakAttak wrote: »

Surely those performances will be the death of her career?

You're joking?

Her sales will go up.

Heisenberg.

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oldscoil

Surely those performances will be the death of her career?

Her death will be the performance of her career.


Then everyone will mourn the death of one of the greatest muscial potentials ever.
Ask me bollix.

She a fookin junk ball, like the one's you see walking around town with the junky limp, pushing prams!

She doesn't bring anything new to music!!!
She's a tribute artist for a bygone age.

She CAN SING, true very true.
Celine Dion can sing too, and she's ****.

Bring on her demise (career wise, not life wise!!!).

nyarlothothep

a lot of recent musicians are very lacklustre in terms of their performance standards, its not like a little mistake here and there, its like they just doing a bad impression of their records. Panic at the Disco though have that tune that struck me as miles better than anything of the mainstream indie thats out there and they performed it well. American bands tend to be way better musicians.

cautioner

Good grief, she was terrible.
Wasn't there something about her being quite sick this past week though?

kerash

ZakAttak wrote: »

Anyone see Amy $hithouse at Glasto and/or the Mandela concert?They were both shown on BBC, live! hilarious, she was terrible- she was out of key,couldn't stand up properly and her backing singers ended up sounding alot better than her.

Worse part is this, she'll make the excuse that she was really high- and her fans will think,"oh that Amy Winehouse, she's so cooool!"

Surely those performances will be the death of her career?

Maybe, 'Amy Winehouse-full of Crack verified' would be a better title:(
I think it's sad, and of course she's not the first to waste her talent at the hands of drug addiction. As a fan (of her music) I would love to see her perform live, at her best, in her full health, however at the moment she is a train-wreak. She will be at a festival I'm going to this year (possibly!), but I'll be well away, even thought I'm a fan, I couldn't stand and watch somebody with such obviously huge problems, who cant even speak, never mind sing. That is not entertainment, it's just very sad.

ItsNugget

Whatever about her drug addiction shes makes good music. People are too used to squeeky clean pop acts these days. Back in the day she'd be a lightweight.

Steve_o

No junk no soul....:D

somewhatxdazed

kerash wrote: »

Maybe, 'Amy Winehouse-full of Crack verified' would be a better title:(
I think it's sad, and of course she's not the first to waste her talent at the hands of drug addiction. As a fan (of her music) I would love to see her perform live, at her best, in her full health, however at the moment she is a train-wreak. She will be at a festival I'm going to this year (possibly!), but I'll be well away, even thought I'm a fan, I couldn't stand and watch somebody with such obviously huge problems, who cant even speak, never mind sing. That is not entertainment, it's just very sad.

I agree COMPLETELY.

ZakAttak

cautioner wrote: »

Good grief, she was terrible.
Wasn't there something about her being quite sick this past week though?

==>There always seems to be a story about her being unwell. I just don't think its a good excuse for giving a sh1t performance.

Comparison: You hire a plumber to fix a leak, he makes a total ba1ls of the job, you complain and he says "yeah, well, thing is I was sick this week". Its hardly an excuse is it?

Max_Damage

I think she sounds like a strangled cat.

irish_bob

i love amy winehouse and while i realise shes a loser , i think shes effortlessly cool , btw , i dont get pete dohetys fame or appeal

Kold

Max_Damage wrote: »

I think she sounds like a strangled cat.

I always imagined a Pterodactyl would sound like her.


I'm annoyed about how much I have to hear about the c**t, seriously, go and pick up some Zero 7 albums people, it's what she'd sound like if she could sing and had decent production.

KnifeWRENCH

She's just not a great live performer, even though she has some fantastic songs and clearly can sing. The drugs and alcohol aren't exactly a big help.

I'd love to see her get over her personal problems and give a fantastic live performance that could blow all her critics away. Sadly, I don't see that happening in the near future

Nailz

ZakAttak wrote: »

Anyone see Amy $hithouse at Glasto and/or the Mandela concert?They were both shown on BBC, live! hilarious, she was terrible- she was out of key,couldn't stand up properly and her backing singers ended up sounding alot better than her.

Worse part is this, she'll make the excuse that she was really high- and her fans will think,"oh that Amy Winehouse, she's so cooool!"

Surely those performances will be the death of her career?

Lack of talent isn't really an appropriate monarch if you ask me, she certainly has talent, it's just that she's idiotic and nieve.

But I'll tell you something, she definitly ain't no Shaun Ryder!!

ZakAttak

Nailz wrote: »

Lack of talent isn't really an appropriate monarch if you ask me, she certainly has talent, it's just that she's idiotic and nieve.

==>She doesn't write her own stuff, and many artists could still hold it together even if they were off their face, Jimi Hendrix or Bjork for instance- but thats cos they had talent.

Steve_o

==>She doesn't write her own stuff, and many artists could still hold it together even if they were off their face, Jimi Hendrix or Bjork for instance- but thats cos they had talent.

How very small minded... A musician's talent isn't limited to their ability to write songs, Amy Winehouse is a very talented singer, but not a great lyricist. On the flip side we have Bob Dylan, he's probably one of the biggest music icons in the world and one of the best lyricists ever, but he doesn't have the best voice ever, so does that make him any less talented? NO! ... so i'm afraid I have to completely disagree with your notion of what talent is.

btw. Are you a musician?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

comparing singing ability to lyrical ability is a bit like comparing a chick-romance writer to a serous novel writer. Leonard cohen can't sing for **** but he's one of the finest artists known to man, the backstreet boys could sing but they wouldn't know art if it crept up behind them and anally savaged them.

Steve_o

Oh I know, I'm merely saying that its not fair to call someone talentless because they can't write songs but can sing. Bottom Line, being able to sing is a talent.

Latchy

irish_bob wrote: »

i love amy winehouse and while i realise shes a loser , i think shes effortlessly cool , btw , i dont get pete dohetys fame or appeal

I never got pete dohetys fame or appeal either .It's all being done before .Jim morrison was doing the same gig as these two 40 years ago and turned his 'out of his tree ' stage act into an art form that had the fans turning up in droves to see what he might do next.He leaves wingehouse and dopey looking like carol singers

KnifeWRENCH

ZakAttak wrote: »

==>She doesn't write her own stuff, and many artists could still hold it together even if they were off their face, Jimi Hendrix or Bjork for instance- but thats cos they had talent.

:rolleyes: Try again.

Just got out the booklet of "Frank" and Amy wrote/co-wrote 13 of the 15 tracks.
And I'm fairly certain she wrote/co-wrote most of, if not all of, Back To Black ("Valerie" was not on the original album, only the deluxe edition released afterwards.)

Keano

Winehouse and Doherty should make babies. :eek:
Unfortunately tabloids seem to feel sorry for both of them so they will always be in the news. Hence, I stick to more repsectable papers / websites.

Dudess

OP, I strongly disagree with this thread title. The performance wasn't a shambles because she's not talented, it was a shambles because she's a junkie and an alcoholic and malnourished and very ill.

Wertz

square_igloo wrote: »

And I'm fairly certain she wrote/co-wrote most of, if not all of, Back To Black ("Valerie" was not on the original album, only the deluxe edition released afterwards.)

She sure as hell didn't write Valerie...that was The Zutons.

KnifeWRENCH

Wertz wrote: »

She sure as hell didn't write Valerie...that was The Zutons.

Yes, I KNOW THAT, Thank You. :rolleyes:
Which is why I mentioned it as an exception.
"Valerie" wasn't on the original "Back To Black" album - all the stuff that WAS on the original album was (I'm fairly sure) written or co-writen by Amy herself.

ZakAttak

square_igloo wrote: »

Yes, I KNOW THAT, Thank You. :rolleyes:
Which is why I mentioned it as an exception.
"Valerie" wasn't on the original "Back To Black" album - all the stuff that WAS on the original album was (I'm fairly sure) written or co-writen by Amy herself.

==>Did she ever do anything on her own?

ZakAttak

Dudess wrote: »

OP, I strongly disagree with this thread title. The performance wasn't a shambles because she's not talented, it was a shambles because she's a junkie and an alcoholic and malnourished and very ill.

==>I quote the great John Giles when I say:

"You're only as good as your last game"

Doctor J

Back to Black is a good album and she's a cracking singer when she's not off her face. What's the problem here?

Anyone who thinks Hendrix could hold it together any better when he was off his face needs to check the facts, maybe listen to the unedited Isle Of Wight gig for example

ZakAttak

Doctor J wrote: »

Back to Black is a good album and she's a cracking singer when she's not off her face. What's the problem here?

Anyone who thinks Hendrix could hold it together any better when he was off his face needs to check the facts, maybe listen to the unedited Isle Of Wight gig for example

==>I'm sure Hendrix did have his bad moments, but this isn't just one winehouse gig we're talking about here. Both at the Mandela thing and Glasto she was all over the place- 2 massive gigs which any musician would give his right arm to play at. She only had to do the bare minimum at these shows (which is precisely what she did), and she couldn't even get that right.

ZakAttak

Steve_o wrote: »

How very small minded... A musician's talent isn't limited to their ability to write songs, Amy Winehouse is a very talented singer, but not a great lyricist. On the flip side we have Bob Dylan, he's probably one of the biggest music icons in the world and one of the best lyricists ever, but he doesn't have the best voice ever, so does that make him any less talented? NO! ... so i'm afraid I have to completely disagree with your notion of what talent is.

btw. Are you a musician?

==>Amy Winehouse needs all the help she can get, she can't do anything on her own. Elvis couldn't write music, but he could take someone elses song and completely transform it into his own- and he didn't need much help to do it. Winehouse needs all the help she can get, if she doesn't have the producers and writers to back her up then she can't do anything- you need to have more than just a good voice. Madonna isn't a great singer/dancer and she admits herself she isn't the best looking woman there ever was- but you don't see Madonna getting up on stage off her face and mumbling through her songs, and thats probably her real talent- her professionalism.

I could say I am a musician- but everyone seems to be these days.

Doctor J

ZakAttak wrote: »

==>I'm sure Hendrix did have his bad moments, but this isn't just one winehouse gig we're talking about here. Both at the Mandela thing and Glasto she was all over the place- 2 massive gigs which any musician would give his right arm to play at. She only had to do the bare minimum at these shows (which is precisely what she did), and she couldn't even get that right.

Ah, my bad. I thought playing in front of over 100,000 people at the Isle Of Wight was a massive gig and, of course, that was the only gig he did which was a howler. Silly me.

Let me guess, if she ****s up a third gig we burn her at the stake and sell her gizzards to the gypsies?

Pighead

Dudess wrote: »

OP, I strongly disagree with this thread title. The performance wasn't a shambles because she's not talented, it was a shambles because she's a junkie and an alcoholic and malnourished and very ill.

Well said Dudess. It's obvious to anybody that when not drugged up to her eyeballs and when in the right frame of mind Miss Winehouse is a talented individual. Anyone who says otherwise needs to stop taking the crack.

ZakAttak

Great stuff lads- so to all you young musicians out there, just listen to what these contributors have to say and you'll be fine- i.e. don't bother writing songs, don't bother learning how to play an instrument, all you have to do is release 1 album and then turn up at a massive gig and promptly make a complete ba1ls of your performance. Just do these simple things and there will be plenty of people on this forum who will think you're a great talent-not just someone who can't handle a drink and can't sing anything other than dickie rock showband songs.

ZakAttak

Doctor J wrote: »

Ah, my bad. I thought playing in front of over 100,000 people at the Isle Of Wight was a massive gig and, of course, that was the only gig he did which was a howler. Silly me.

==>And he did plenty of gigs which were absolutley legendary, how many Winehouse gigs do you hear people talking about on this forum? None.

Let me guess, if she ****s up a third gig we burn her at the stake and sell her gizzards to the gypsies?

==>No, all she needs to do is release a good song.

Pighead

ZakAttak wrote: »

Great stuff lads- so to all you young musicians out there, just listen to what these contributors have to say and you'll be fine- i.e. don't bother writing songs, don't bother learning how to play an instrument, all you have to do is release 1 album and then turn up at a massive gig and promptly make a complete ba1ls of your performance. Just do these simple things and there will be plenty of people on this forum who will think you're a great talent-not just someone who can't handle a drink and can't sing anything other than dickie rock showband songs.

What a complete load of claptrap. She does write songs and she can play her own instruments ya big eejit! What are you banging on about.

Doctor J

ZakAttak wrote: »

Great stuff lads- so to all you young musicians out there, just listen to what these contributors have to say and you'll be fine- i.e. don't bother writing songs, don't bother learning how to play an instrument, all you have to do is release 1 album and then turn up at a massive gig and promptly make a complete ba1ls of your performance. Just do these simple things and there will be plenty of people on this forum who will think you're a great talent-not just someone who can't handle a drink and can't sing anything other than dickie rock showband songs.

You're damn right, man. Musicians shouldn't write songs, they should do drugs and they should only listen to thu METUUUUULLLLLLLLL.

Because you're only a musician when you play music you wrote, right? All those fancy dans playing in orchestras around the world, they're not musicians, they fakes. As for thsoe jazz schmoes and their patron saint Bill Cosby, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE SONGS THEY JUST MAKE IT UP OMG OMG OMG! I'm with you, man, we should make sure any "musician" who performs a cover of A SONG THEY DIDN'T WRITE gets two weeks in the stocks or maybe we could lock them inside a double bass for a month boom boom take that you fiend. TBH, I think, what we should do, is when a songwriter uses a chord which was used in someone else's song, they should have their acoustic guitar smashed over their head, man. Serious. Those other people, who have songs with the same name, like Jennifer Barnes or whatever her name was, it probably wasn't even her real name, Huey Lewis and the News, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, they should all be put in a pit and have to fight to the death for the right to use the song title and we should burn every copy of the others songs. From now on, you only play music you write or you die, right? Cos you're not a real musician unless you play music you wrote yourself, that's how it is on the streets, man.

kerash

ZakAttak wrote: »

Great stuff lads- so to all you young musicians out there, just listen to what these contributors have to say and you'll be fine- i.e. don't bother writing songs, don't bother learning how to play an instrument, all you have to do is release 1 album and then turn up at a massive gig and promptly make a complete ba1ls of your performance. Just do these simple things and there will be plenty of people on this forum who will think you're a great talent-not just someone who can't handle a drink and can't sing anything other than dickie rock showband songs.

(AFAIK, Amy has had 2 albums... pre-crack Frank and then back to black...)I'm sure that it is quite obvious to you that no-one is praising Winehouse for balls-ing up her life/career. I'm not quite sure what mission you are on, nor do I care.

This is what I like to call a 'Gotcha'!!! You come in - thinking it may be an intelligent and informed debate only to find out, you've been punked!! Thanks ZakoncrackAttak. :rolleyes:

Pighead

ZakAttack has left the building because he has just realised he hasn't got much of an idea about what he's arguing about.
==>Silly Zak.

keen

Of course she has talent, she just sounds **** when strung out.

ZakAttak

I'm not quite sure what mission you are on, nor do I care.

==>Then don't bother leaving a comment then.

ZakAttak

Doctor J wrote: »

You're damn right, man. Musicians shouldn't write songs, they should do drugs and they should only listen to thu METUUUUULLLLLLLLL.

Because you're only a musician when you play music you wrote, right? All those fancy dans playing in orchestras around the world, they're not musicians, they fakes. As for thsoe jazz schmoes and their patron saint Bill Cosby, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE SONGS THEY JUST MAKE IT UP OMG OMG OMG! I'm with you, man, we should make sure any "musician" who performs a cover of A SONG THEY DIDN'T WRITE gets two weeks in the stocks or maybe we could lock them inside a double bass for a month boom boom take that you fiend. TBH, I think, what we should do, is when a songwriter uses a chord which was used in someone else's song, they should have their acoustic guitar smashed over their head, man. Serious. Those other people, who have songs with the same name, like Jennifer Barnes or whatever her name was, it probably wasn't even her real name, Huey Lewis and the News, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, they should all be put in a pit and have to fight to the death for the right to use the song title and we should burn every copy of the others songs. From now on, you only play music you write or you die, right? Cos you're not a real musician unless you play music you wrote yourself, that's how it is on the streets, man.

==>I didn't see her play any instruments at those gigs, and don't write more than 3/4 lines- I'm not going to bother reading it.

ZakAttak

Pighead wrote: »

ZakAttack has left the building because he has just realised he hasn't got much of an idea about what he's arguing about.
==>Silly Zak.

You're the one who thinks she's good. I saw a singing child traveller on Grafton street the other day- he was miles better than her.

Dudess

I think she has an excellent voice and a unique delivery. I certainly have no time for flavours of the month or music press hyped acts. Amy Winehouse has managed to garner so much acclaim through her own merits.

As I said, that performance was marred because of how much of a mess she is due to drug addiction - hardly "verification" of a lack of talent.

ZakAttak

Dudess wrote: »

I think she has an excellent voice and a unique delivery. I certainly have no time for flavours of the month or music press hyped acts. Amy Winehouse has managed to garner so much acclaim through her own merits.

As I said, that performance was marred because of how much of a mess she is due to drug addiction - hardly "verification" of a lack of talent.

==>But thats why she's famous, because she's a drug addict in public. She could be the next Edith Piaf, but it wouldn't matter- because what really makes her famous is the fact that she gets off her face in public. Theres plenty of people doing the same thing, but they keep it private. She purposefully does it in front of everyone because she knows she wouldnt be popular otherwise.

Pighead

ZakAttak wrote: »

You're the one who thinks she's good. I saw a singing child traveller on Grafton street the other day- he was miles better than her.

Listen Zak your argument has been blown out of the water. You said she didn't write any of her own songs, which is blatantly wrong.
http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp?page=1&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&fromrow=1&torow=25&affiliation=PRS&cae=461733556&keyID=835476&keyname=WINEHOUSE%20AMY%20JADE&querytype=WriterID

You also claim she doesn't play any of her instruments, reason being "I didn't see her play any instruments at those gigs". Check out youtube and you'll find plenty of videos with her playing guitar.

So basically your reasons for claiming she has no talent:

ZakAttak wrote: »

Great stuff lads- so to all you young musicians out there, just listen to what these contributors have to say and you'll be fine- i.e. don't bother writing songs, don't bother learning how to play an instrument, all you have to do is release 1 album and then turn up at a massive gig and promptly make a complete ba1ls of your performance. Just do these simple things and there will be plenty of people on this forum who will think you're a great talent-not just someone who can't handle a drink and can't sing anything other than dickie rock showband songs.

have all been disproved. Fair enough if you don't like her thats fine but to say she has no talent because she can't play her instruments or can't write songs is blatantly wrong.

biko

Amy Winehouse, a life wasted. She could be so much better. It's a shame.

ZakAttak

Pighead wrote: »

Listen Zak your argument has been blown out of the water. You said she didn't write any of her own songs, which is blatantly wrong.
http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp?page=1&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&fromrow=1&torow=25&affiliation=PRS&cae=461733556&keyID=835476&keyname=WINEHOUSE%20AMY%20JADE&querytype=WriterID

You also claim she doesn't play any of her instruments, reason being "I didn't see her play any instruments at those gigs". Check out youtube and you'll find plenty of videos with her playing guitar.

So basically your reasons for claiming she has no talent:

have all been disproved. Fair enough if you don't like her thats fine but to say she has no talent because she can't play her instruments or can't write songs is blatantly wrong.

==>She didn't write any popular songs- you can write songs all you want, doesn't mean you're talented, they could easily all be sh1te.

You tube videos of her playing a guitar- thats what you've sunk to.

Dudess

ZakAttak wrote: »

==>But thats why she's famous, because she's a drug addict in public. She could be the next Edith Piaf, but it wouldn't matter- because what really makes her famous is the fact that she gets off her face in public. Theres plenty of people doing the same thing, but they keep it private. She purposefully does it in front of everyone because she knows she wouldnt be popular otherwise.

Are you talking about fame or acclaim? And yes she's famous because of her drug addiction but that does not make her lacking in talent. Blame the gutter press for that. She was acclaimed long before two years ago or whenever it was that her profile blew up. Wasn't she nominated for the Mercury Prize in 03/04 direction?
And Rehab was a huge seller yet released several months before her drug problems came to light.

Pighead

ZakAttak wrote: »

==>She didn't write any popular songs- you can write songs all you want, doesn't mean you're talented, they could easily all be sh1te.

You tube videos of her playing a guitar- thats what you've sunk to.

WTF? She didn't write any popular songs? Love is a losing game, Rehab, You know I'm no good were all popular songs! Are you sure you know who Amy Winehouse actually is?

Oh and as for this

ZakAttak wrote: »

==>But thats why she's famous, because she's a drug addict in public. She could be the next Edith Piaf, but it wouldn't matter- because what really makes her famous is the fact that she gets off her face in public. Theres plenty of people doing the same thing, but they keep it private. She purposefully does it in front of everyone because she knows she wouldnt be popular otherwise.

The above all applies to Billie Holiday and Mr Johnny Cash. Loads of terrible gigs whilst offf their heads. Holiday especially had a very public affair with her drug habit. Lucky for her there wasn't the ridiculous levels of tabloid gutter journalism about at the time.

Doctor J

ZakAttak wrote: »

==>She didn't write any popular songs- you can write songs all you want, doesn't mean you're talented, they could easily all be sh1te.

How many hits have you written, out of curiosity?