Golfnet Handicap Question

ShriekingSheet · 01-07-2008 10:49am #1

If anyone can shed light on this I'd appreciate it.

On Saturday I was 8.4. Shot 31 points in a home comp so changed my h'cap in the computer at Woodbrook Junior Scratch on Sunday to 9.

As it happens, golfnet is now showing the Saturday comp as QRS (reduction only) so I didn't get .1 and would be disqualified from Sunday's Scratch Cup - no worries there, I had a crap score anyway - it was my mistake as well.

But what I was wondering was, my two scores in Woodbrook (as per Golfnet) had a Net Differential (ND) of 3 and 8 - both warranting .1 back as far as I know.

But in the Handicap Adjustment (HA) column they both have 0 rather than .1.

Both scores are listed as QZH which is qualifying strokeplay.

CSS did go up in the second round from an SSS of 73 to a CSS of 74.

Golfnet is fully up to date with all my scores and is showing 8.4. All I can figure is that for some reason the Junior Scratch was reduction only?

Gah!!

Conor

Mister Sifter · 01-07-2008 10:58am

Sounds as though you should have gone up 0.1 for both rounds. Maybe a mistake in the system. maybe give Woodbrook a call or even your h.cap secretary to make sure.

probably not worth another thread but do you know what the deal is here...

Club matchplay - do you play off the handicap you had at the time of qualifying for it or your current handicap?

Trying to find out from my club but having no luck.

Apologies for hijacking your thread by the way, sheet!!

jacket222002 · 01-07-2008 11:05am

If it is a matchplay that has a qualifying competition it should be the handicap you played in that qualifier.
If its a matchplay where you enter the matchplay immediately its your current handicap.

Woodgate · 01-07-2008 4:32pm

Currently handicap always.

Mister Sifter · 02-07-2008 9:08am

Sounds like the rule may vary between clubs?!

ShriekingSheet · 02-07-2008 11:01am

Yeah it would be a local comptetition rule rather than a rule of golf.

That said, I've never heard of a h'cap matchplay that had a strokes qualifier.

madds · 02-07-2008 12:00pm

Our club matchplay has a stokes qualifying round - I think the top 32 in each class get in. Our rule is that you play off whatever handicap you had when qualifying and hold it until you get knocked out.

Mister Sifter · 02-07-2008 12:47pm

madds wrote: »

Our club matchplay has a stokes qualifying round - I think the top 32 in each class get in. Our rule is that you play off whatever handicap you had when qualifying and hold it until you get knocked out.

Ours is very similar. Top 64 scores from the qualifying go through. Won through to the last 16 last night, winning on the 18th.

Woodgate · 02-07-2008 12:52pm

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

That said, I've never heard of a h'cap matchplay that had a strokes qualifier.

The idea is to narrow the field to 32 or 64, because you could have 150+ entrants so cant have loads of knockout rounds.

ShriekingSheet · 02-07-2008 12:56pm

Woodgate wrote: »

The idea is to narrow the field to 32 or 64, because you could have 150+ entrants so cant have loads of knockout rounds.

Oh no, I get the idea alright, I've just only seen scratch matchplays or the likes of Ulster Boys use this to filter out the people without any real chance. H'cap matchplays in Milltown and South County just accept all entrants into the first round matchplay.

You just need to start early and keep the deadlines strict but I think having a qualifier is a better idea- I just never heard of it before for a handicap one.

Miley Byrne · 02-07-2008 12:57pm

jacket222002 wrote: »

If it is a matchplay that has a qualifying competition it should be the handicap you played in that qualifier.
If its a matchplay where you enter the matchplay immediately its your current handicap.

Yeah, Same as that. top 16 to qualify and you play off your qualifying score in the knockout rounds.

Da Golden Goose · 02-07-2008 2:50pm

Were you cheating?

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

If anyone can shed light on this I'd appreciate it.

On Saturday I was 8.4. Shot 31 points in a home comp so changed my h'cap in the computer at Woodbrook Junior Scratch on Sunday to 9.

As it happens, golfnet is now showing the Saturday comp as QRS (reduction only) so I didn't get .1 and would be disqualified from Sunday's Scratch Cup - no worries there, I had a crap score anyway - it was my mistake as well.

But what I was wondering was, my two scores in Woodbrook (as per Golfnet) had a Net Differential (ND) of 3 and 8 - both warranting .1 back as far as I know.

But in the Handicap Adjustment (HA) column they both have 0 rather than .1.

Both scores are listed as QZH which is qualifying strokeplay.

CSS did go up in the second round from an SSS of 73 to a CSS of 74.

Golfnet is fully up to date with all my scores and is showing 8.4. All I can figure is that for some reason the Junior Scratch was reduction only?

Gah!!

Conor

Táck · 14-07-2008 1:18pm

just wondering does anyone have any help in actually estimating a handicap? myself and my friends started playing this year and we're curious to know. we are at different levels, ie one is particularly good, and one is ok but kinda bad.

i've checked online there isnt any magical Calculate your handicap sites i can see!!

Mister Sifter · 14-07-2008 2:23pm

Táck wrote: »

just wondering does anyone have any help in actually estimating a handicap? myself and my friends started playing this year and we're curious to know. we are at different levels, ie one is particularly good, and one is ok but kinda bad.

i've checked online there isnt any magical Calculate your handicap sites i can see!!

Do you have your last three scores? did you have any triple bogies or worse in those rounds?

Táck · 14-07-2008 2:31pm

well we were playing points so some holes were scratched, so yes, yes we do have some triple bogeys.

but i do have access to the last three cards

Mister Sifter · 14-07-2008 2:54pm

Táck wrote: »

well we were playing points so some holes were scratched, so yes, yes we do have some triple bogeys.

but i do have access to the last three cards

Roughly speaking, what a club would do is get those three cards and work out an average gross score per round. Anything worse than a double bogey goes down as a double bogey.

Therefore, all the holes you scratched would be considered double bogies. If you can work out your gross score from that and divide the 3 scores added together by 3, then you should have a rough idea of your handicap.

Táck · 14-07-2008 3:13pm

is it that simple? i've looked though, and thought you need the slope index of the course?

Mister Sifter · 14-07-2008 3:35pm

Táck wrote: »

is it that simple? i've looked though, and thought you need the slope index of the course?

No it's not that simple, but if you're after a rough idea then that's the bones of it. There's other things they take into consideration also. Think nowadays its all done by computer.

PhilipMarlowe · 14-07-2008 4:03pm

As far as I'm aware, it's not exactly an average of the 3 cards that is taken into account.
For example, if you shot one level par rounds and two of 12 over, your handicap should be based on the level par round (not 0+12+12)=24/3=8
My understanding is that your lowest card is what your handicap would be.
As Graeme said, scratches or disasters are reduced down to a net double bogey which also makes sense (if you shoot 17 pars and have a 10 on one par 4, your handicap would be 2)

Slope index of a course is used in America as a relative measure of difficulty. Here we have a Standard Scratch Score (SSS) which is basically the same thing.
My home course is par 71 but SSS of 72 off the back tees so that kinda means a scratch golfer would be expected to go round there in one over par in normal conditions. Another course could be also par 71 but SSS of 68 if it was particularly short or something....
The SSS is what you measure your handicap from, not the par of the course.
In competitions, you have a CSS which is Competition Scratch Score and can change based on the condition of the course (if it's windy and wet, CSS could be 74, so 33 points is playing to my handicap on that day).

The 3 cards that you usually hand in is probably to provide a more detailed picture of what your ability is to the handicap secretary, which should lead to a more balanced handicap.

Loads more reading here http://www.gui.ie/template1.asp?parent=23&parent2=30&pid=30&area=1

Táck · 14-07-2008 4:31pm

thanks a million for that, need to sit down with the lads now and go thru it all

Mister Sifter · 25-07-2008 5:07pm

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

If anyone can shed light on this I'd appreciate it.

On Saturday I was 8.4. Shot 31 points in a home comp so changed my h'cap in the computer at Woodbrook Junior Scratch on Sunday to 9.

As it happens, golfnet is now showing the Saturday comp as QRS (reduction only) so I didn't get .1 and would be disqualified from Sunday's Scratch Cup - no worries there, I had a crap score anyway - it was my mistake as well.

But what I was wondering was, my two scores in Woodbrook (as per Golfnet) had a Net Differential (ND) of 3 and 8 - both warranting .1 back as far as I know.

But in the Handicap Adjustment (HA) column they both have 0 rather than .1.

Both scores are listed as QZH which is qualifying strokeplay.

CSS did go up in the second round from an SSS of 73 to a CSS of 74.

Golfnet is fully up to date with all my scores and is showing 8.4. All I can figure is that for some reason the Junior Scratch was reduction only?

Gah!!

Conor

How did this work out in the end shriek?

I'm having a similar problem just now. I'm showing as having been 2 under the css, but haven't been cut. Unsure what handicap to play off this weekend now.

PhilipMarlowe · 25-07-2008 6:11pm

You have to cut yourself Graeme I'd assume?
In any case, you wouldn't be DQ'ed for playing of a wrong (lower) handicap, you'll just have to play better

b. Stroke Play
In any round of a handicap competition, the competitor must ensure that his handicap is recorded on his score card before it is returned to the Committee. If no handicap is recorded on his score card before it is returned (Rule 6-6b), or if the recorded handicap is higher than that to which he is entitled and this affects the number of strokes received, he is disqualified from the handicap competition; otherwise, the score stands.

Mister Sifter · 25-07-2008 9:34pm

Licksy wrote: »

You have to cut yourself Graeme I'd assume?
In any case, you wouldn't be DQ'ed for playing of a wrong (lower) handicap, you'll just have to play better

That's what i was thinking... always safer to go lower.

What happens in a 36 holer ... say you're 4.4, but shoot a bad score in the first round. Would you play off 5 in the 2nd round?

jampotjim · 26-07-2008 3:58pm

Graeme1982 wrote: »

That's what i was thinking... always safer to go lower.

What happens in a 36 holer ... say you're 4.4, but shoot a bad score in the first round. Would you play off 5 in the 2nd round?

No you play off the handicap you started the competition at.

ShriekingSheet · 28-07-2008 8:40am

jampotjim wrote: »

No you play off the handicap you started the competition at.

But for h'cap tracking purposes, your second score would be kept on Golfnet under a 5 h'cap.

ie: if you shot 76 in the second round your score in the competition would be 72 but for h'cap adjustment it would count as a 71.

ShriekingSheet · 28-07-2008 8:44am

Graeme1982 wrote: »

How did this work out in the end shriek?

I'm having a similar problem just now. I'm showing as having been 2 under the css, but haven't been cut. Unsure what handicap to play off this weekend now.

What happened with me was the scores were there on Golfnet under "Away Scores". Both warranted .1s but adjustment was showing as 0 in both cases. They were qualifying rounds and not reduction only.

After a few days the Away Scores moved into my Handicap Sheet and presto, there were the .1s. Obviously, your h'cap seceratary has to accept Away Scores first before they're merged into your handicap page.

In practice, you just use the "Change" button when entering future comps to adjust your own h'cap (up or down) as per the away scores.

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