Garda receives 100 stitches after pitbull attack..

arybvtcw0eolkf

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhgbqlqlqlid/rss2/

Talk about tarring all dogs with the same brush -

Got a knock on the dog today from the dog warden, "You've a Pitbull here, he's a restricted breed blah blah blah" - read me the law basically.

Asked to see my licence, showed him it then was told all about the attack in Galway and how "they" (I guess he was talking about the guards) are "cracking down on Pits and Staffs now, so just be carefull"..

I swear, thats the last time I give my dog a train ticket from Dublin to Galway again!.

whitser

the dog done nothing wrong imo,he was protecting his master from intruders who were agressivly invading his house. pit bull or not doesnt make any difference the dog was doing its pack duty and protecting his master.

lightening

Mairt wrote: »

Got a knock on the dog today from the dog warden

He called to your house? How did he know you had a bull terrier?

shinners007

gosh calling to your house is a bit over the top isnt it! Just goes to show that some people out their are catergorising all dogs within certain breeds which is so unfair to responsible owners.

arybvtcw0eolkf

lightening wrote: »

He called to your house? How did he know you had a bull terrier?

How indeed!.

We walk him all the time, so all the neighbours know him. And all love him except for one!..

I'd never claim to be a genius but it doesn't take one to know somebody has been busy on the telephone!.

And besides all that, we haven't broken any laws and the warden was at pains to point out the Pitbull attack on a cop in Galway :mad:

When he went we were left wondering ~what was all that about

lightening

Jesus, that is so frustrating. The amount of ill kept dogs around and the dog warden is checking up on a perfectly looked after, home checked, rescue animal because of one pesky nosy neighbour.

I give up.


Back to the poor Gard that got chewed up. I wonder how many times this has happened with non-bull breeds? I am pretty sure its happened a good few times, I mean strange large men in dark uniforms with loud voices marching through the dogs house. Its bound to happen at least once a year.

I hope he recovers soon.

doctor evil

Read the link, they were searching the house for illegal drugs. They're hardly going to do that with a polite knock on the door! Since it belonged to dealers I doubt it was a 'safe' animal to begin with.

Certain dogs attract certain people, sometimes the guards end up stepping on other people toes in being proactive. He took all of what, five minutes of your time?

Vinnie K

Anybody know if it was actually a pitbull?

lightening

doctor evil wrote: »

Read the link, they were searching the house for illegal drugs. They're hardly going to do that with a polite knock on the door!

I did read the link, it still doesn't mean they can't take precautions, surely they had intelligence about the house and that it had dogs. As for the warden taking up five minutes of Mairt's time, I would rather he took up five minutes of someone's time who was treating dogs badly to be honest. Not driving out to someone's to tell them a terrier bit a cop in Galway.

whitser

doctor evil wrote: »

Read the link, they were searching the house for illegal drugs. They're hardly going to do that with a polite knock on the door! Since it belonged to dealers I doubt it was a 'safe' animal to begin with.

Certain dogs attract certain people, sometimes the guards end up stepping on other people toes in being proactive. He took all of what, five minutes of your time?

so if you own a pit your a suspect drug dealer? certain dogs,certain people?

whitser

if the cops had been armed robbers that dog would have being hailed a hero. and as far as i know a dog cant tell the difference between a cops uniform and a robbers one!
that dog did nothing wrong imo,but it and its breed are being portrayed as gang members.

bernard0368

In fairness if the Garda were doing their job right they should have been aware of the risks before they raided the house "look before you leap" comes to mind.
The dog was only doing whats in its nature by protecting the pack.
The garda really only have themselves to blame thats what a risk assessment is for.

stevoman

I prob get lambasted for saying this, but do pits not have a lock jaw mechanism that when they bite, their bites can be extremly more vicous than other dogs?

lightening

stevoman wrote: »

I prob get lambasted for saying this

You won't...

I think its a bit of an old wives tale. They certainly have an extremely strong bite, and with bull and terrier breeds as part of their make up, they are probably less likely to let go of something than say a labrador which would have a much softer mouth.

whitser

they have much stronger bite then most dogs but that doesnt mean that the dog was in the wrong to protect his master from attack.
the dog cant be blamed for his master being a drug dealing scumbag or for not knowing the difference between a cop and a robber.
i think if we could find the stats on dog bites pits would make up less of the attackers then other breeds, just that because of their strength of law they can do more damage.
there was an article in the paper during the year about a boy savaged by a labrador, no call for labs to be banned or no one calling labradors devil dogs etc...
the problem with pits is that some eejits use them as fashion accesseries to look tough and they havent a clue about socialising the dog they encourage aggressive behaviour. they're the problem not the breed.

SSS1111

there was one pitbull (bull)and 1 staff(anfi) the staff was a bitch having pupps stupid cops least he can retire now

stevoman

whitser wrote: »

there was an article in the paper during the year about a boy savaged by a labrador, no call for labs to be banned or no one calling labradors devil dogs etc...
.

good point, i have 26 stitches in the my head from a golden retreiver i bit when i was 5 years old!

Rodney Trotter

The dog that savaged the Garda should be destroyed immediately.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Funny that someone should mention Labs, my god is receiving treatment for two wounds after being attacked by a neighbours Lab!.

But people love scandal and the bull breeds get it in the neck for people's ignorance.

I was in work last night and mentioned the warden to the lads... One piped up and asked what kind of dog I had, when I told him his reaction was...

"Jesus, I hate those things" .. "Oh, you had one?" (says I).

"NOWAY"... "You know someone with one?" (me again) "NO"...

"Where you attacked by one?" - "NO, BUT THEIR SAVAGES. I READ ALL ABOUT THEM IN THE PAPERS"..

"Do you have a dog even?" .. say's I.. "Yea two mutts" ...

"Licenced?" (me) - "NO, I don't need a licence for a mutt" :rolleyes:

Go figure.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Rodney Trotter wrote: »

The dog that savaged the Garda should be destroyed immediately.

It was.

But why do you say that anyway?.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Rodney Trotter wrote: »

The dog that savaged the Garda should be destroyed KILLED immediately.

There, isn't that what you really mean?.

whitser

Rodney Trotter wrote: »

The dog that savaged the Garda should be destroyed immediately.

cos it was a garda?

Rodney Trotter

Mairt wrote: »

It was.

But why do you say that anyway?.

Any animal that is capable of doing such damage should be under strict control and should be prevented from inflicting such damage on a human being.

Any animal that does such damage to a human being should be destroyed.

(It is patently clear from some posts that some contributors hold the savage dog in higher esteem that a member of the Gardai. A sad indictment on those people.)

arybvtcw0eolkf

Rodney Trotter wrote: »

Any animal that is capable of doing such damage should be under strict control and should be prevented from inflicting such damage on a human being.

Any animal that does such damage to a human being should be destroyed.

(It is patently clear from some posts that some contributors hold the savage dog in higher esteem that a member of the Gardai. A sad indictment on those people.)

I see.

Ok, I work in the same army barracks where the army's equitation school is based.

I've seen horrible injuries inflicted on the staff from horse bites and kicks, should those horse's be killed too?.

whitser

the dog was protecting his home and master from intruders. as i said if they were armed robbers the dog would be hailed as a hero. he doesnt know the difference between a cop and a robber.

event

bernard0368 wrote: »

In fairness if the Garda were doing their job right they should have been aware of the risks before they raided the house "look before you leap" comes to mind.
The dog was only doing whats in its nature by protecting the pack.
The garda really only have themselves to blame thats what a risk assessment is for.

it almost sounds as if you are saying the guard deserved it?

whitser

Rodney Trotter wrote: »

Any animal that is capable of doing such damage should be under strict control and should be prevented from inflicting such damage on a human being.

Any animal that does such damage to a human being should be destroyed.

(It is patently clear from some posts that some contributors hold the savage dog in higher esteem that a member of the Gardai. A sad indictment on those people.)

to say we hold a savage dog in higher esteem then a garda shows that the dog was only put down because he bit a garda, not because he bit an intruder. as i keep saying dogs dont recognise garda uniforms,therefore imo the dog did no wrong.

whitser

event wrote: »

it almost sounds as if you are saying the guard deserved it?

no one saying the garda deserved that, but does the dog deserve to be put down for couragesly protecting his master and home from intruders?

XxlauraxX

stevoman wrote: »

I prob get lambasted for saying this, but do pits not have a lock jaw mechanism that when they bite, their bites can be extremly more vicous than other dogs?

yea i think there jaw is is a lot wider than most dogs so there bite can be worse, well thats just what i heard!


"When a dog warden was sent to the address yesterday, a second garda accompanying him was also bitten, suffering minor injuries to his leg."

how funny is it that the garda got bitten and not the trained dog warden the gards should not be allowed near these dogs if they are not experienced!

Rodney Trotter

whitser wrote: »

................ imo the dog did no wrong.

An absolutely ridiculous post.

Limerick91

Any dog that attacks a human should be put down.

These dogs are not the police force.

Are you waiting for one of the incidents like what happened in the UK where kids were killed by dogs.

Maybe you would like to give them dogs medals for protecting their masters

event

whitser wrote: »

no one saying the garda deserved that, but does the dog deserve to be put down for couragesly protecting his master and home from intruders?

if a child was visiting the house and started attacking the "master" with a toy sword, ye know playing, and the dog attacked it, would that be ok?

no doubt you'll say its not teh same, but it is.

how can a dog tell the difference between a child attacking and an adult attacking? it cant, it would respond the same way.

is that a situation that you are ok with?

whitser

Rodney Trotter wrote: »

An absolutely ridiculous post.

why? if you were sitting at home and a gang of robbers burst in your door and started shouting etc.. would you blame your dog for attcking? of course not.

whitser

event wrote: »

if a child was visiting the house and started attacking the "master" with a toy sword, ye know playing, and the dog attacked it, would that be ok?

no doubt you'll say its not teh same, but it is.

how can a dog tell the difference between a child attacking and an adult attacking? it cant, it would respond the same way.

is that a situation that you are ok with?

theres a big difference between a child visiting and someone kicking in your door and shouting and grabbing people. dogs know when theres a threat. its not the same.
if your at home and somone attacks your house would you blame your dog for attcking?

Rodney Trotter

whitser wrote: »

why? if you were sitting at home and a gang of robbers burst in your door and started shouting etc.. would you blame your dog for attcking? of course not.

Leave your fairy stories out of this and stick to the facts.

Look at what actually happened, not this "if .........." BS.

Simple facts. Garda was severely injured by a dangerous animal.

Simple solution. Exterminate the dangerous animal.

whitser

limerickros wrote: »

Any dog that attacks a human should be put down.

These dogs are not the police force.

Are you waiting for one of the incidents like what happened in the UK where kids were killed by dogs.

Maybe you would like to give them dogs medals for protecting their masters

if it had been armed robbers that attacked your home the dogs would be hailed as heros.

whitser

Rodney Trotter wrote: »

Leave your fairy stories out of this and stick to the facts.

Look at what actually happened, not this "if .........." BS.

Simple facts. Garda was severely injured by a dangerous animal.

Simple solution. Exterminate the dangerous animal.

if this dog wasnt a pitbull would your attitude be the same. not a fairy story, as the dog sees it, people where violently intruding in his home so he protected his family.

whitser

let me make it clear, i dont own a pitbull. and i cant stand drug dealing scum either,i hope they get 20 yrs. but the dog was only doing right by his master.
if a farmer down the country's house is raided by the scum that target old farmer and his dog savaged one of them,it would get a medal. and this dog did exactly that.

Rodney Trotter

whitser wrote: »

if this dog wasnt a pitbull would your attitude be the same. not a fairy story, as the dog sees it, people where violently intruding in his home so he protected his family.

Two things

1. Where have I mentioned the breed of dog?

and

2. Try answering, or posting, without using the word "if" ?

whitser

im using the word if to make the point that as far as the dog was concerned it was protecting his master, he was in his house and people violently intruted. so how can the dog be blamed. he doesnt know his master is a scum bag, that the garda were only doing their job. the dog wasnt a gang member.

event

whitser wrote: »

theres a big difference between a child visiting and someone kicking in your door and shouting and grabbing people. dogs know when theres a threat. its not the same.
if your at home and somone attacks your house would you blame your dog for attcking?

how do you know they kicked in the door, shouted or grabbed people?

also, if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle

whitser

event wrote: »

how do you know they kicked in the door, shouted or grabbed people?

also, if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle

that usually what happens when the garda do a drugs raid,its quick and they use element of surprise so that the scumbags cant flush the gear down the toilet. fact is none of us were there.

az2wp0sye65487

Rodney Trotter wrote: »

Simple facts. Garda was severely injured by a dangerous animal.

Simple solution. Exterminate the dangerous animal.

ANY dog would have done the same in that situation..... What exactly is a "dangerous animal" ?? Pets protect their owners. Forget the fact that there were criminals and Gardai involved.... From the dogs point of view there was a threat to him and his master, so he protected.

The Gardai should have known what they were getting themselves into, should have known about the dogs being kept there etc.

Now, I don't believe that the Guard deserved it... but it was definitely NOT and un-provoked attack. The guards should have brought trained animal handlers with them to deal with the dogs.

Don't think i used "if" anywhere in that argument either :cool:

r3nu4l

It's simple enough really

1) The dog was doing its duty
2) It protected its owner(s)
3) It should be killed

Sad for the dog but better for humanity.

Unfortunately pit bulls were bred for their aggressiveness, very useful in some situations but as always when scumbags own dogs they don't socialise them or discourage that aggressive behaviour. Many scumbags...including drug types, deliberately encourage aggressive behaviour and know exactly what breeds to choose to get the best reaction from them. The fact that the poor animals (pit bulls) are pure ugly and look menacing also helps :rolleyes:

It is possible to make a pit bull understand that aggressiveness is wrong and won't be tolerated but in some situations instinct takes over. This is why seemingly playful dogs and loving family pets sometimes turn on members of an owners family, including children. For that reason...instinct...I would not allow pit bulls near children. There tolerance levels can be high but when they do let loose, they go mental. Where another dog might growl and maybe snap a warning, pit bulls tend to go in full tilt!

whitser

Madilyn Tinkling Dough wrote: »

ANY dog would have done the same in that situation..... What exactly is a "dangerous animal" ?? Pets protect their owners. Forget the fact that there were criminals and Gardai involved.... From the dogs point of view there was a threat to him and his master, so he protected.

The Gardai should have known what they were getting themselves into, should have known about the dogs being kept there etc.

Now, I don't believe that the Guard deserved it... but it was definitely NOT and un-provoked attack. The guards should have brought trained animal handlers with them to deal with the dogs.

Don't think i used "if" anywhere in that argument either :cool:

you made my point much better then i did.

carwash_2006

Pit Bulls were not bred for aggressiveness. They are if anything less inclined to be aggressive than a lot of other dogs. They were bred for their ability and willingness to look after their owners and their high level of loyalty.

They have the misfortune to look quite tough and have the physical capability to inflict a lot of damage if they are provoked. This means that certain types of people are drawn to owning them for use in protection and also for fighting.

It actually takes a lot of work inciting the dogs to fight and many of them are discarded because they can't be got to fight. I cannot see any reason for any dog mistaking a child pretending to attack their owner as a real threat to the owner. Dogs are much better at understanding a real threat than that. The owners response is going to be something that the dog will look for and I would imagine drug dealers being raided by the police would find that quite a considerable threat and would react defensively.

It is not going to work to ban any breed of dog to try and stop situations like this occuring, guns are also illegal and that doesn't stop the people who use them. The only way you might possibly curtail the people who keep dogs for this kind of protection would be to ban all dogs. I personally would not want to live in any country that would take this level of action. Not only because I love dogs, but also the phrase "police state" pops into my mind at the thought.

arybvtcw0eolkf

r3nu4l wrote: »

3) It should be killed

Why?.

r3nu4l

carwash_2006 wrote: »

Pit Bulls were not bred for aggressiveness.

Really? Even pitbull owner websites agree that they were!

pitbullsontheweb.com wrote:

Much of a dog's temperament relates to it's breed history and genetic inheritance. I won't go too deep into the history of the Pit Bull as there are many good books and websites that cover the origin and history of the breed. It is common knowledge however, that the Pit Bull breed was developed for blood sports: Bull baiting, bear baiting, and later, dogfighting. What is not common knowledge is that in the days of organized dogfighting, the handlers of the combatants were habitually IN THE PIT with the dogs for the duration of the fight. They were required to pick up and separate the dogs several times while the dogs were in full fight frenzy. Before the fight, the handlers were required to wash each other's dogs, and after the fight, the badly injured dogs were often treated at ringside by strangers. Any dog that attacked or bit a handler (even if it was the other dog's handler) or anyone else at any time was culled, often on the spot, and would never have been bred.

So what this says is that they WERE bred for aggressiveness, owners were often in the pit while the dog fought another dog (and presumably neither dog attacked the human) and that any dog that did bite a human was culled. So even owners at that time recognised that as soon as a dog bites a human it's game over for the dog and rightly so.

Also see this from the same website:

THE GOLDEN RULE OF PIT BULL OWNERSHIP- NEVER TRUST YOUR PIT BULL NOT TO FIGHT!!!!! This breed is descended from pit dogs one way or another, and, given the right circumstances, most Pit Bulls will fight and against any other breed, they will win (you really don't want to see that!

This is coming from a site that encourages ownership of pit bulls but seeks to educate the twats that don't seem to understand what these dogs are capable of and the need for absolute ownership and dominance of the dog.

BTW, anyone who thinks a dog doesn't need to be dominated by a "pack leader" (owner) is barking mad (pardon the intended pun ).

peasant

r3nu4l wrote: »

BTW, anyone who thinks a dog doesn't need to be dominated by a "pack leader" (owner) is barking mad (pardon the intended pun ).

BTW ...anyone who still thinks that you have to dominate your dog in order to become an effective leader / good owner needs to do some reading and get with the times.

It is exactly those dominated dogs that go totally out of control when things get hairy.

arybvtcw0eolkf

r3nu4l Would you know a Pitbull from an English Bull Terrier or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier?.

Or even here in Ireland would you know what someone was referring to if they spoke about an 'Irish Staff'?.

Answer honestly without a google search.

Because the vast majority of non-bull breed owner's that I know couldn't tell the difference.

r3nu4l

peasant wrote: »

BTW ...anyone who still thinks that you have to dominate your dog in order to become an effective leader / good owner needs to do some reading and get with the times.

It is exactly those dominated dogs that go totally out of control when things get hairy.

Oh dear, 'domination' does not always mean beating with a stick, denying food or rubbing a dogs nose in it's own poo etc. :rolleyes: The so-called positive reinforcement training techniques thought today are only domination by a different name It still reinforces that the owner is the person in control and is the pack leader. I understand why the new term is 'positive reinforcement' but at the end of the day you are still telling the dog that you are the boss and if he does what he's told he'll get a reward/benefit...

Mairt wrote: »

r3nu4l Would you know a Pitbull from an English Bull Terrier or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier?.

Or even here in Ireland would you know what someone was referring to if they spoke about an 'Irish Staff'?.

Answer honestly without a google search.

Because the vast majority of non-bull breed owner's that I know couldn't tell the difference.

Honestly, apart from the 'Irish Staff' yes, I could. I've always wanted a dog and seriously considered (and researched) being a dog owner for the past three years...particularly 'bull' terriers. Probably because of the fact that they 'have a face that only a mother could love'

As it turns out I won't be getting any dog simply because my work/lifestyle does not allow me the time I would need to properly care for a dog, least of all the bull terriers that require lots of exercise. So, rather than being selfish and getting one anyway, I've opted out.