Sick of hearing about Human Rights?

ART6

Reading threads here from people who have had their cars and property damaged by mindless vandalism, or got threatened by gangs of yobs, I am becoming sick to the back teeth of being lectured by the great and the good about human rights. When I was a lad my parents would have my blood if I offended an adult or damaged someone's property. They taught me to respect others, and my dad's strongest instruction to me was "That man on the corner selling matches is as good as you. Respect him." I did.

Now, if some cretinous yob is hauled before the courts he thinks it is a big laugh because he has "human rights" and no-one can touch him. Kids still in school behave like feral animals because they have their "rights", and Heaven forbid that their parents ever chastise them.

I want to start a movement. That will inshrine in law that anyone who commits an offence against another automatically forfeits their human rights until they have earned them back again. Their punishment then will not be a court calling for "reports" or some excuse of a troublesome childhood. Depending on their age it will mean a spell in a detention centre that they wouldn't want to visit again, a strapping with a cane across the backside as they do in Singapore, or the parents of a young one being made accountable financially even if it ruins them. By so doing it will require that parents control their children and will not accept any excuses.

My view? I have two grown up children. We didn't have a lot of money when they were growing up. But I followed my dad's philosophy and they are both successful, responsible people. The human rights they had as children were what I allowed them to have, but they knew that if times got tough I was there for them always. They earned their "rights".

To succeed I need to send the liberal elite back under the stone from which they came. Anyone with me?

junkyard

Count me in.

listermint

Oh i hear you !!

Mena

Not sure what this is doing in motors but hell, count me in. You violate someone's human rights, you lose yours. Or something.

Where do I sign?

Guy:Incognito

Corporal and or capital punishment FTW.

unkel

Moved to AH

Sounds good.

biko

ART6 for tee-chuck!

mike65

Unkel you cove! Ducking out of moderating a fighting talk thread!

Anyway Kill 'em all.

Mike.

Caoimhín

Its political correctness gone mad.

Bring back caning i say.

Sherifu

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Epic Tissue

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Concorde

I agree with OP.
But have a look at the kind of debate you could be starting....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=234210

TripleAce

I am with OP. Screw the scumbags!

Whats the plan?

EamonnKeane

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Esel

TripleAce wrote: »

I am with OP. Screw the scumbags!

Fag? (I gave them up, and have a few left over).

OP is both reactionary and, in places, makes the kinds of arguments that usually are the clarion call of fascism.

The central thesis of OP's argument:

"If you infinge on the rights of another your human rights are removed"

Human rights are not the same as rights. Human rights are inalienable. You cannot remove someone's human rights. You can infringe upon them but they are imbued within every human being. The rights that you say the "scumbag" kids are flaunting are due process rights. These rights are extended to every citizen in the knowledge that it is better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer. When society begins to overlook these rights because things are "out of hand" with a certain group we end up with a Dreyfus of our own.

The frustrations of society with those that flaunt the rules it lays down for itself is the necessary price of liberty. A draconian approach to law is not the answer. In fact it is indicative of someone too simple minded to see the whole problem and address it accordingly.