Pricey health service

irishfeller

Heard on the radio that about 25% of the budget in Ireland last year went to the health service - this is about 16 billion euros....thats works out at more than 4000 euros for every person is the country! And people are still sleeping on trolleys in hospitals because there are not enough beds?? It would be good to get a breakdown of where all this money goes...sounds like there is major wastage of tax money goin on.

MIN2511

irishfeller wrote: »

Heard on the radio that about 25% of the budget in Ireland last year went to the health service - this is about 16 billion euros....thats works out at more than 4000 euros for every person is the country! And people are still sleeping on trolleys in hospitals because there are not enough beds?? It would be good to get a breakdown of where all this money goes...sounds like there is major wastage of tax money goin on.

break down? Seriously:rolleyes:

We have exhausted all our energy on our Health Service...

Lets wait and see what Brian Cowen does

stepbar

MIN2511 wrote: »

break down? Seriously:rolleyes:

We have exhausted all our energy on our Health Service...

Lets wait and see what Brian Cowen does

Why not? Maybe a bit of accountability then so. It's shameless what's going on in the Health Service at the minute. Shameless.

Sherifu

irishfeller wrote: »

Heard on the radio that about 25% of the budget in Ireland last year went to the health service - this is about 16 billion euros....thats works out at more than 4000 euros for every person is the country! And people are still sleeping on trolleys in hospitals because there are not enough beds?? It would be good to get a breakdown of where all this money goes...sounds like there is major wastage of tax money goin on.

Harney likes cake.

sunnyjim

stepbar wrote: »

Why not? Maybe a bit of accountability then so. It's shameless what's going on in the Health Service at the minute. Shameless.

Accountability means more ****ing secretaries, administrators, management consultants, financiers...

stepbar

sunnyjim wrote: »

Accountability means more ****ing secretaries, administrators, management consultants, financiers...

No it means employing someone who's going to take a stand and say no more. Christ sometimes I wish Michael O'Leary was head of the HSE. If it was the private sector heads would have rolled at this stage.

MIN2511

Sherifu wrote: »

Harney likes cake.

+1!
hehehe:)

this thread is too serious for AH

mumhaabu

I seriously believe that the entire PRSI system should be privatised, including everything from Pensions, Health, Dole etc. Our System is a joke and rather than paying PRSI we could pay much higher rates of Private Health Insurance. We could decide do we want to pay for a private or public pension and likewise with unemployment insurance. This country is too socialist and the government is too influential in peoples lifes.

Cut the cord people, we must all stand on our own two feet and our current situation is a Joke where you can have private health care for a fraction of the real cost with the ordinary plebs propping up the whole thing.

Most government services should be privatised bar three essentials, Police, Sanitation, (this is private and needs to be brough back, private companies can run it (but it must be obligatory and paid by tax not optional), the current water system needs to remain in public hands but water charges (no meters flat tax) needs to be introduced to run and maintain the service.

The Majority of big government is waste and in a True Capitalist society the market should rule and run things on a Laissez-faire basis. If this was done Ireland would not be in reccession but rather roaring ahead with around 10% growth per year. Red tape and the Central Government are to blame as is losing control of our currency. Privatisation and oursourcing are the answer and the first step is to literally blow the unions out of the water as they have sleepwalked into this crisis as themselves and their Fianna Fail comrades are about as Green as I am red.

Hopefully Declan Ganley and Libertas will emerge as an Irish Laissez-faire libertarian party and fill the void left by the loss of the Progressive Democrats, which were Irelands only hope but sadly they moved left too.

Awaits attacks from everyone :cool:

AckwelFoley

A decent health service is the largest cost for all modern countries.

Problem is the unions.

jon1981

snyper wrote: »

Problem is the unions.

+1 accountability accountability... the only workers suffering in the HSE are the health professionals, what percentage of the admin staff stay late to make the little bit of difference? controversial.... :eek:

RacoonQueen

Problem is the men at the top in the hospitals and in the HSE who pay themselves massive wages to do **** all while everyone else does the graft and has to deal with the problems caused by the men in suits at the top.

Vorsprung

mp1972 wrote: »

Problem is the men at the top in the hospitals and in the HSE who pay themselves massive wages to do **** all while everyone else does the graft and has to deal with the problems caused by the men in suits at the top.

In fairness, while I'm no fan of the way the Health System is managed, the HSE didn't cause these problems, they've been around for years. Those problems can't unfortunately be changed overnight.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

I think a lot of the waste also stems from the fact that none of the senior managment have the balls to go out on a limb and make a decision (and risk being wrong), instead preferring to fall back on consultants.

stepbar

mumhaabu wrote: »

I seriously believe that the entire PRSI system should be privatised, including everything from Pensions, Health, Dole etc. Our System is a joke and rather than paying PRSI we could pay much higher rates of Private Health Insurance. We could decide do we want to pay for a private or public pension and likewise with unemployment insurance. This country is too socialist and the government is too influential in peoples lifes.

Cut the cord people, we must all stand on our own two feet and our current situation is a Joke where you can have private health care for a fraction of the real cost with the ordinary plebs propping up the whole thing.

Most government services should be privatised bar three essentials, Police, Sanitation, (this is private and needs to be brough back, private companies can run it (but it must be obligatory and paid by tax not optional), the current water system needs to remain in public hands but water charges (no meters flat tax) needs to be introduced to run and maintain the service.

The Majority of big government is waste and in a True Capitalist society the market should rule and run things on a Laissez-faire basis. If this was done Ireland would not be in reccession but rather roaring ahead with around 10% growth per year. Red tape and the Central Government are to blame as is losing control of our currency. Privatisation and oursourcing are the answer and the first step is to literally blow the unions out of the water as they have sleepwalked into this crisis as themselves and their Fianna Fail comrades are about as Green as I am red.

Hopefully Declan Ganley and Libertas will emerge as an Irish Laissez-faire libertarian party and fill the void left by the loss of the Progressive Democrats, which were Irelands only hope but sadly they moved left too.

Awaits attacks from everyone :cool:

Who wants a system where you have to pay 10 odd grand to get a broken arm fixed?

Redpunto

Had to bring wee one into A & E for the 2nd time this year, broken nose and no, i didnt do it, she fell off the sofa. Anyhows, €66 for the privilege while there were people goin in with their medical cards with kids with a fever???? How do I get one of those medical cards?

Tails142

Redpunto wrote: »

Had to bring wee one into A & E for the 2nd time this year, broken nose and no, i didnt do it, she fell off the sofa. Anyhows, €66 for the privilege while there were people goin in with their medical cards with kids with a fever???? How do I get one of those medical cards?

Basically you have to be on the minimum wage or have kids coming out the wazoo, i.e. NEED one

€50 quid is standard price for a GP consultation so I dont see what the problem is paying it for a hospital visit.

I was a bit surprised to hear that 25% of central governement spend goes solely to the HSE - but it makes sense when you really think about what the government spends its money on. What would you rather they spend the money on? Given that they obvisouly already spend large amounts on roads and such.

stepbar

Redpunto wrote: »

Had to bring wee one into A & E for the 2nd time this year, broken nose and no, i didnt do it, she fell off the sofa. Anyhows, €66 for the privilege while there were people goin in with their medical cards with kids with a fever???? How do I get one of those medical cards?

That's cheap if you ask me.

Redpunto

Tails142 wrote: »

Basically you have to be on the minimum wage or have kids coming out the wazoo, i.e. NEED one

€50 quid is standard price for a GP consultation so I dont see what the problem is paying it for a hospital visit.

I was a bit surprised to hear that 25% of central governement spend goes solely to the HSE - but it makes sense when you really think about what the government spends its money on. What would you rather they spend the money on? Given that they obvisouly already spend large amounts on roads and such.

Meself dont have a prob paying it, its the fact that "other" people are taking the piss outta the system whereas the rest of us have to debate about whether the kids are sick enough to need the doc and pay the €50.

AckwelFoley

I broke my hand last year when i punched a table.. long story, but my boss at the time was being a bit of a muppet so it was .. hit him or hit the table..

so i hit the table wall and metal door on the way out for good measure..

Anyway off to mullingar hosp a and e.. 1 hour waiting.. got cast on..

3 subsequent check ups..


Total cost €0.00 plus vat.

Why?

No idea.

Redpunto

Redpunto wrote: »

Meself dont have a prob paying it, its the fact that "other" people are taking the piss outta the system whereas the rest of us have to debate about whether the kids are sick enough to need the doc and pay the €50.

plus the chemist fees and if theres 2 sick thats €70 plus chemist,,,,,looking at €100 so the kids get better again,,i doubt an awful lot of people would be able to afford it that often

Redpunto

snyper wrote: »

I broke my hand last year when i punched a table.. long story, but my boss at the time was being a bit of a muppet so it was .. hit him or hit the table..

so i hit the table wall and metal door on the way out for good measure..

Anyway off to mullingar hosp a and e.. 1 hour waiting.. got cast on..

3 subsequent check ups..


Total cost €0.00 plus vat.

Why?

No idea.

nice one:)

Not that you broke your arm,, that it was free!!!!!!

Tails142

Redpunto wrote: »

Meself dont have a prob paying it, its the fact that "other" people are taking the piss outta the system whereas the rest of us have to debate about whether the kids are sick enough to need the doc and pay the €50.

www.welfare.ie

If you think you need one, go get one

Archeron

Wouldnt it be nice indeed to know where all that money in the health service goes.

My hands are shaking as I type this, as I have just had a call to say my seriously ill mum has stopped responding to any stimulii, and they (in her care home) thought we should know. She has been getting progressively worse over the past few days, and has been in a very fragile state. We have been told that this is quite serious. From seeing her earlier today, we also thought she looked worse than she ever did.

We have also been told that there will not be an ambulance available to bring her to A&E for at least another hour, as apparently, its very busy this evening. We will not know what hospital she is being brought to until an ambulance arrives, so in what could my mums last hours, we are sitting here twiddling our thumbs waiting for a call. We have been asked not to go to the care centre where she currently is.
All of this comes after years of "treatment" at the hands of the Irish health centre.

Please God that whatever happens in the next couple of hours is for the best, and please God there can be some dignity, something we have yet to experience in all of this.