Muay Thai/MMA training question

numerocinco

A good while ago there was a post about not allowing heel locks (or some sort of ankle lock) in certain competions as they are too easy to damage an opponent, I was just wondering why are they different to say an arm bar or maybe i just read it wrong. Anyway could somebody explain ?? or apologies if I got it wrong. And my other question is how do you train mma or thai using elbows and kness, do you spar using both techniques and how do you avoid getting cut up.

Thanks

RedRaven

Thai training with elbows can be done with head gear and elbow pads.

dunkamania

numerocinco wrote: »

A good while ago there was a post about not allowing heel locks (or some sort of ankle lock) in certain competions as they are too easy to damage an opponent, I was just wondering why are they different to say an arm bar or maybe i just read it wrong. Anyway could somebody explain ?? or apologies if I got it wrong.

Thanks

You have it right, some competitions specifically ban heelhooks and other twisting knee locks. For heelhooks it can be less clear when the knee is about to get injured. Alot of the time by the time you fell pain in the knee, you are already injured, compared to an armbar, where you know that once its fully extended its about to get injured. Its easy to get carried away with leglocks, for beginers especially. You often see two guys going for leglocks on each other at the same time. Also heelhook injuries tend to be more serious, possibly ending your participation in the sport.

Khannie

RedRaven wrote: »

Thai training with elbows can be done with head gear and elbow pads.

Or you just fake / lightly throw the elbow and your opponent knows that you would have landed it. A bit like if you're grappling and you get into the dominant position (two hands on the inside). You pull down and fake a knee so that you'd get into the habit of doing it in a real fight, but you're still not gonna knee your training partner in the face.

Judomad

Khannie wrote: »

Or you just fake / lightly throw the elbow and your opponent knows that you would have landed it. A bit like if you're grappling and you get into the dominant position (two hands on the inside). You pull down and fake a knee so that you'd get into the habit of doing it in a real fight, but you're still not gonna knee your training partner in the face.

hmmmmmmmmmm questionable hahaha:D:p:D:p

RedRaven

Not a good idea to train faking elbows or throwing lightly as they cut very easy, somebody training for a fight would never do this, if they touch even slightly they can cut very easy and the fight wont go ahead becasue of the damage.

Khannie

RedRaven wrote: »

Not a good idea to train faking elbows or throwing lightly as they cut very easy

True enough. That's what I did in Thailand mind you. I haven't really trained a huge amount of elbows in Bridgestone yet. I've a bit to go before I'm fighting A class.

Dave Joyce

IMHO the best way to train elbows is lots of padwork focusing primarily on elbows and sensitivity/reflexive drills. I've seen plenty of bad injuries from elbows even with headgear and elbow pads. Granted these were in tournaments but it can still happen even in club sparring AND the type of scars left from an elbow can easily be re-opened when competing.

RedRaven

Very true Dave, the elbows are like can openers, even a glance from an elbow can cause massive damage and weaken the skin at that point from then on. Also a strong elbow can break a jaw depress an eye socket or crush kranium.

numerocinco

Thanks for clearing up the heel lock issue and I guess different clubs have different methods of training elbows, I didnt actually know there were elbow pads but I think they would have to be well padded to avoid cuts.

I am considering joining a MT club in a few weeks so looking forward to it.

Cheers

RedRaven

numerocinco wrote: »

Thanks for clearing up the heel lock issue and I guess different clubs have different methods of training elbows, I didnt actually know there were elbow pads but I think they would have to be well padded to avoid cuts.

I am considering joining a MT club in a few weeks so looking forward to it.

Cheers

I expect it will be an eye opener for you...not with elbows of course!!

Khannie

No shame. The guy has no shame.

Tim_Murphy

Elbows are a bitch to train but it can be done as long as you have good control and both you and your partner know what ye are doing. Elbow pads can help but they can be prone to slipping so sometimes you are better off without them.

crokester

We aim the blunt part of the elbow at the neck lightly in our place. If you ever get a light elbow in the neck in training ul never throw it at the head again in a fight!

numerocinco

Not too sure on aiming for the neck in any type of training but I would have to see it to fully know where you are coming from on that one.

RedRaven

He means when you elbow to the neck it causes a stun effect like the shin wrapping around the neck and causing a K.O.

numerocinco

Ah get you cheers,

Dave Joyce

Just very curious about the guys that reckon you can "spar" with elbows. Can you just clarify for me if all of the sparring is light contact or do you spar normally with contact and then ease up when you attempt an elbow??

Tim_Murphy

Dave Joyce wrote: »

Just very curious about the guys that reckon you can "spar" with elbows. Can you just clarify for me if all of the sparring is light contact or do you spar normally with contact and then ease up when you attempt an elbow??

Spar with contact then ease up with the elbows. It's actually probably easier to do on the ground than in standup.

Dave Joyce

Spar with contact then ease up with the elbows. It's actually probably easier to do on the ground than in standup.

Ok, I can see that been somewhat applicable on the ground BUT why/how can it be practical to do in standup? I mean it doesn't make any sense in regular standup sparring to "ease up" at times. This is exactly why I was IMO saying that sparring with elbows (in standup) is NOT practical unless you wish to risk a good chance of injury/cuts.

As regards elbow pads, they offer sweet FA protection with an elbow thrown even with 50% of someones power.

RedRaven

Head gear with elbow pads mixed with boxing works for us.

Tim_Murphy

Ok, I can see that been somewhat applicable on the ground BUT why/how can it be practical to do in standup?

It isn't really, I was talking about in the clinch. You're right though, if it's hard enough sparring it's not really practical to use them.

Rob Carry

I've never come across a club that sparred with elbows, it was always just done on pads. It's a difficult one though - it's obviously important in MT - clinch minus elbows is totally different to clinch with elbows. You can get away with murder in the clinch if you don't have to worry about an elbow coming in over the top! Although I've never worn elbow pads in clinch, I'd imagine they slide all over the place?

Roper

I just find it more trouble than it's worth to spar with them in. You're going from decent contact with the punches to sort of imaginary elbows, it takes a lot of control and you can't always trust your partners to have that.

Not too bad on the ground though because you can press down with them and not have to swing.