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McCullough result...

  • 21-06-2008 8:50am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭


    Seeing as though there was no tele coverage, I didn't add spoiler tagd however it was not a good night for the pocketrocket. He retired on his stool in the 6th according to http://www.ultimateboxingresults.com/boxing_results/details.asp?br_id=1686

    That should be it now for McCullough, I'd say he's devastated.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭03mcgs0


    Cant believe he lost, especially by not coming out in the sixth.

    Thats it for him, why do we all get the feeling he stayed on far, far too long.

    Great fighter, right from his Olympic days to being world Champion, and than bravely taking on Naz, Harrison and the rest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    From ESPN:
    'In other key fights on the undercard, Wayne McCullough, a former bantamweight and featherweight world champion, called it quits for good after his corner stopped his fight against Juan Ruiz after the sixth round.

    "This is probably my last fight," McCullough announced to the small crowd at the outdoor Cayman Island cruise ship terminal. "I got the silver medal for Ireland [at the 1992 Olympic Games] and I got the WBC [bantamweight] title for Ireland. I want to thank the American fans and the fans in the Caymans who came out for their support. I'll be retired after [Friday night]. Thank you everybody."

    McCullough was taking a lot of shots from Ruiz (22-5, 7 KOs), but he seemed to be giving as good as he was getting. Two of the judges had McCullough ahead at the time of the stoppage. Judge Jose Rivera had it 58-57 and Judge Nelson Vazquez had it 58-56 for McCullough, while Judge Roberto Ramirez had it 56-58 for Ruiz.

    McCullough (27-7, 18 KOs) hadn't fought in three years before climbing into the ring against Ruiz on Friday night. His last fight had been a 10th round TKO against Oscar Larios for the WBC super bantamweight title on June 16, 2005. But McCullough's résumé was filled with fights against great world champions like Erik Morales, Naseem Hamed, Scott Harrison and Daniel Zaragoza.'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Dr_MaSoN


    sad end to it all for him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,423 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    My only fear is that there is something seriously wrong here.
    I mean Wayne McCullough quitting just does not sound right at all.

    I wish him the best in retirement and I agree that he went on far too long. I remember watching the second fight with Larios. It was just horrible to watch and to see him stopped by a doctor was just heartbreaking. I didn't know how to feel at the time by that stoppage, on the one hand he had never been stopped and deserved to hold on to that tag but I knew that the doctor was also right and only had his best health in her mind when she made the decision.

    I just hope there is nothing serious wrong with, it seems very strange for Wayne to just not answer the bell. But then again he has his wonderful wife Cheryl to look after him and she might have made this decision.

    There will always be the 'if' in my mind when I think of Wayne, and that is if he had a knockout punch.

    He is an Irish legend, a fantastic boxer and a great representative for his country both inside and outside the ring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    eagle eye wrote: »
    My only fear is that there is something seriously wrong here.
    I mean Wayne McCullough quitting just does not sound right at all.

    I wish him the best in retirement and I agree that he went on far too long. I remember watching the second fight with Larios. It was just horrible to watch and to see him stopped by a doctor was just heartbreaking. I didn't know how to feel at the time by that stoppage, on the one hand he had never been stopped and deserved to hold on to that tag but I knew that the doctor was also right and only had his best health in her mind when she made the decision.

    I just hope there is nothing serious wrong with, it seems very strange for Wayne to just not answer the bell. But then again he has his wonderful wife Cheryl to look after him and she might have made this decision.

    There will always be the 'if' in my mind when I think of Wayne, and that is if he had a knockout punch.

    He is an Irish legend, a fantastic boxer and a great representative for his country both inside and outside the ring.

    He was pulled out , he probably wasn't happy to be pulled out either . I doubt he wanted out of the fight .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,423 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Big Ears wrote: »
    He was pulled out , he probably wasn't happy to be pulled out either . I doubt he wanted out of the fight .

    I couldn't see him stopping on his own bat. Its just not in his nature. I am just concerned that there could be something seriously wrong with his health when he is pulled like that. I just hope its some sort of reparable injury and nothing more serious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Sorry to hear, a well earned retirement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I couldn't see him stopping on his own bat. Its just not in his nature. I am just concerned that there could be something seriously wrong with his health when he is pulled like that. I just hope its some sort of reparable injury and nothing more serious.

    If it was anything too serious he wouldn't have been able to address the crowd afterwards . I'd say they just felt he was taking too many even though he was winning the fight , and that 6 more rounds of brutal attrition wouldn't be good for him .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 968 ✭✭✭ODD-JOB


    In which case they should never have put him in there in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    ODD-JOB wrote: »
    In which case they should never have put him in there in the first place.

    I think we all agree but McCullough was always wanting to come back at least once more after the Larios fight . At least this is it now .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Hero Of College


    I'm glad it ended this way. If he had nothing left, then thank God he didn't win this and end up taking on a more dangerous opponent, where he might have got badly hurt. In truth the guy will be remembered as being the toughest jawed fighter of his era, with Holyfield probably #2. It never really panned out for the guy at 122 and 126 but he is Irelands ONLY ever WBC Champ. For me, thats a big deal. His stand-in-and-trades with Naz and Morales were great shows of bravery and guts. I saw his fight with Luis-Bueno- entertaining stuff to say the least. Well done Wayne.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 863 ✭✭✭Mikel


    Relieved he's finally retired


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,374 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    "If only he had a punch":(

    A sad end...but at least with it happening this way he has done what everybody wanted and what's best for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Glad he has finally called it a day.

    There is no boxer I have a greater respect for, both in and out of the ring. A true gentleman and I hope he lives happily ever after !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,356 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I just hope there is nothing serious wrong with, it seems very strange for Wayne to just not answer the bell. But then again he has his wonderful wife Cheryl to look after him and she might have made this decision.

    He is an Irish legend, a fantastic boxer and a great representative for his country both inside and outside the ring.

    Are you takin' the piss?

    Wonderful wife?, isn't she the one who is managing Wayne and still allowing her HUSBAND to enter a ring knowing full well a potential tragedy is possible.

    Didn't Frank Warren have to beg and plead with wonderful Cheryl to get
    someone to STOP the hiding' that Harrisson dished to Wayne; because wonderful Cheryl refused to stop it.

    I think wonderful Cheryl is a little too interested in cash as oppossed to her
    husbands well being and IMO. she is a disgrace


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭joker77


    megadodge wrote: »
    Glad he has finally called it a day.

    There is no boxer I have a greater respect for, both in and out of the ring. A true gentleman and I hope he lives happily ever after !
    +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    I agree with walshb.
    and on a side note, if mccullogh had power in his punches-i believe he would of been as good as Barry McGuigan..
    Best of luck Wayne..

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭yomchi


    If you read McCulloughs biography you see how much his wife controls his life. She decides everything, but he lets her. He sacked Matt Tinley and inserted her as his manager and ever since then he struggled with fights and getting fights. The dream is over for McCullough, and he lived most of it. If he had a good manager in the middle of his career he'd of retired after Larios. Even Eddie Futch begged him to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 863 ✭✭✭Mikel


    Probably too brave for his own good, I hope he doesn't suffer the consequences later. I suppose we'll find ou in a few years.
    Agree about his wife, she should have got him out of it, too money hungry


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭sston


    An absolute legend, I don't think what he achieved has ever been truly appreciated by the Irish sporting public. The general public always think of Carruth being the golden boy with the little lad from Bellfast who's name they can't remember coming second but in terms of ability and sheer heart and toughness I think he is clearly one of our greatest ever boxers.

    Better than even McGuigan in my book who was blessed by timing and charisma. McGuigan took the title off a great but aging champion on what was practically home ground. McCullough travelled to Japan to beatr a very good champion convincingly and then went on to give some of the greatest fighters of his era real scares, particularly in the Morales and Zaragoza fights.

    By the way I just heard on newstalk that he's reconsidering his retirement. I hope that's not the case. It really is time to go now Wayne. I would have loved to see himself and Dunne fight around the time Dunne won his European title becuase he was probably still fresh enough at the time to gove Dunne a real fight, it would have been a real 50 - 50 affair but now the engine is well and truly gone so hopefully he sticks to his decision.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,356 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Hey, I've always been a huge admirer of Wayne, from the amateurs to the pro's, but IMO, he falls considerably short of Barry McGuigan. I've seen almost all of both mens bouts in the pro's and Barry is a cut above in most areas, even stamina I would say


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭sston


    walshb wrote: »
    Hey, I've always been a huge admirer of Wayne, from the amateurs to the pro's, but IMO, he falls considerably short of Barry McGuigan. I've seen almost all of both mens bouts in the pro's and Barry is a cut above in most areas, even stamina I would say

    McCullough fought far superior opposition throughout his career than McGuigan did. McGuigan's biggest names were Eusebio Pedroza, Juan Laporte and Bernard Taylor. Both Pedroza and Laporte were well past their best when McGuigan got to them. McCullough took on a prime Morales, Hamed and Oscar Larios gave them all great fights as well as defeating Victor Rabanales, Yakushiji and Johnny Bredahl.

    He was also around a hell of a lot longer at top level than McGuigan. Don't get me wrong I was a big fan of McGuigan but I think he's overrated by the Irish sporting public becuase of the perception that his fights united the north for as long as they lasted while McCullough's achievements are overlooked becuase most of his big nights happened in the U.S. or in Japan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    sston wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong I was a big fan of McGuigan but I think he's overrated by the Irish sporting public becuase of the perception that his fights united the north for as long as they lasted while McCullough's achievements are overlooked becuase most of his big nights happened in the U.S. or in Japan.

    Thats funny because the Brits consider him 1 of the greatest british fighters!!
    so why would they feel that if he was not that great? he was awsome..and irish, clones Monaghan to be exact!

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,423 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    walshb wrote: »
    Hey, I've always been a huge admirer of Wayne, from the amateurs to the pro's, but IMO, he falls considerably short of Barry McGuigan. I've seen almost all of both mens bouts in the pro's and Barry is a cut above in most areas, even stamina I would say

    Barry McGuigan fought nobody. Pedroza was over the hill when he met him.
    He lost that title to an unknown named Steve Cruz and then lost his other big fight after that to a very ordinary fighter called Jim McDonnell.

    Wayne McCullough was different class to him.

    In case you think I have something against Barry, I don't and I like the man, and was in his house in Clones when he came home with the title. Oh and I have never met Wayne McCullough.

    I don't normally say things like this, but putting Barry McGuigan ahead of Wayne McCullough makes me think that you really don't know anything about boxing at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57,356 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Barry McGuigan fought nobody. Pedroza was over the hill when he met him.
    He lost that title to an unknown named Steve Cruz and then lost his other big fight after that to a very ordinary fighter called Jim McDonnell.

    Wayne McCullough was different class to him.

    In case you think I have something against Barry, I don't and I like the man, and was in his house in Clones when he came home with the title. Oh and I have never met Wayne McCullough.

    I don't normally say things like this, but putting Barry McGuigan ahead of Wayne McCullough makes me think that you really don't know anything about boxing at all.

    Listen here; no need to take it so personal, if you are so sure that Wayne was the better fighter then conduct a poll here and we'll gauge the feeiling. And to even mention the Cruz loss as a negative in assessing Barry shows me that you have zero knowledge on boxing; GO READ ABOUT IT


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭joepenguin


    He was a great fighter but his style doesnt lend itslef to longevity. Id say thing would have panned out differently if he didnt have so much time out. the year after the Zargoza and the 2 or3 years after the Morales fight. At least things would have been consistent and there wouldnt be so many unanswered questions so late in his career.

    An inspiration to Irish sportsmen, olympians, amature and professional boxers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,423 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    walshb wrote: »
    Listen here; no need to take it so personal, if you are so sure that Wayne was the better fighter then conduct a poll here and we'll gauge the feeiling. And to even mention the Cruz loss as a negative in assessing Barry shows me that you have zero knowledge on boxing; GO READ ABOUT IT
    Read about what? The Cruz fight, I watched it live on tv and many times since. I don't need to read about it. He wanted to quit and his corner told him to keep going. Barry McGuigan was a great boxer by Irish standards but he is not up there with the likes of Steve Collins or Wayne McCullough. They fought the best. Barry McGuigan did not, the best boxer at his time was Azumah Nelson and McGuigans camp did not want to know anything about him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,309 ✭✭✭T-K-O


    Some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

    For the people saying Wayne must have been seriously hurt to retire, I think that is BS. He is a smart guy and just knew that he hadn't got it anymore. Smart move on his behalf.

    And as for his wife forcing him into the ring, I never met the girl but think about it, nobody made Wayne fight. He love to compete and wanted to fight himself. Money wouldn't come into it as Wayne's big pay days are all in the past.

    My hat is off to Wayne a true Irish boxing legend..


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