July 6th Kerry -v- Cork Munster Final [yet again!]

kerry4sam

Well the Munster Senior Football Final will be held on Sunday July 6th ...

Once again it will be the Kingdom -v- Rebels ... It was so close to it being Kerry -v- Limerick but it wasn't meant to be.

Kerry could be, as of now, without Paul Galvin [pending number of match ban] and their are a few injuries to be watched therefore making us the underdogs

What are peoples predictions this year? ... My heart lies in the Kingdom, therefore for the Kingdom, i think Kerry may just pull it off :rolleyes:

john concannon

Kerry will win because Cork are far to overated for the last few years.

grenache

I was the Gaelic Grounds today, and have not been so gutted walking out of a match in quite some time. How on earth did we not win that game??

Limerick were the better team overall, no doubting that. But when cool heads were called for in stoppage time, our keeper Sean Kiely, instead of putting the ball into row z, decides to head back into a crowd of red shirts! He had a good game, and he's a good keeper, but his one mistake really cost us. And there's the difference between Cork and Limerick - Cork are cute, they know how to kill a game off, Limerick are totally unable to do the same, as was witnessed in their league games against Wexford, Sligo and Longford. Ditto Limerick in the Munster finals of '03 and '04.

You must credit Cork though, a lesser team would have given up. They gambled and it paid off, although i can't see them beating Kerry. They conceeded too many easy scores today, and were out-played for long periods of the match, against supposedly inferior opposition. I can see the Kingdom putting the bones of 20 points on them.

Keano

Kerry for me. Even minus Galvin the have enough to beat Cork.

I don't think Kerry will have even the slightest problem in winning the Munster crown again this year.

I do, however, think this yet again demonstrates how massively unfair the Munster championship is having basically re-introduced the seperation of Cork and Kerry until the final it makes it far more difficult for another team to have a breakthrough year in Munster.

bill_ashmount

Deleted User wrote: »

I do, however, think this yet again demonstrates how massively unfair the Munster championship is having basically re-introduced the seperation of Cork and Kerry until the final it makes it far more difficult for another team to have a breakthrough year in Munster.

Agreed. They should get rid of the seeding, it ruins it for the other counties.

bill_ashmount

grenache wrote: »

I was the Gaelic Grounds today, and have not been so gutted walking out of a match in quite some time. How on earth did we not win that game??

Limerick were the better team overall, no doubting that. But when cool heads were called for in stoppage time, our keeper Sean Kiely, instead of putting the ball into row z, decides to head back into a crowd of red shirts! He had a good game, and he's a good keeper, but his one mistake really cost us. And there's the difference between Cork and Limerick - Cork are cute, they know how to kill a game off, Limerick are totally unable to do the same, as was witnessed in their league games against Wexford, Sligo and Longford. Ditto Limerick in the Munster finals of '03 and '04.

You must credit Cork though, a lesser team would have given up. They gambled and it paid off, although i can't see them beating Kerry. They conceeded too many easy scores today, and were out-played for long periods of the match, against supposedly inferior opposition. I can see the Kingdom putting the bones of 20 points on them.

Agree with most of that. Cork got lucky. Sick to see such a small crowd at a championship game though. Don't think Kerry will beat Cork by 20 points in pairc ui caoimh. They'll probably win, but the won't destroy us.

Beached

Exact same position as two years ago, Cork struggle past Limerick and nobody gives them a hope. Kerry reach League final without showing great form and dont really shine in the Munster Semi final. Only difference is the match in in Cork.
Kerry could possibly be playing the final without two recognised half forwards, but I would be quiet happy with Darren and Sean O'Sullivan as replacments

DDC1990

Im worried about this one lads. With Paul and Declan almost certainly gone, who is going to win the breaking ball in the half-forwards? Donaghy coing back was a plus along with Gooch looking alright. Some say Cork were a shambles in Limerick but they always raise their game against us. Looking forward to it though, it has to be said.

REBEL CORK

john concannon wrote: »

Kerry will win because Cork are far to overated for the last few years.

Overated?

2005- All_ireland semi final, beaten by Kerry
2006- Munster champions All-Ireland semi final, beaten by Kerry
2007- All-Ireland Finalists beaten by Kerry

The last team to beat Kerry in the championship? Cork
The only team to beat Cork in the last 3 years ? Kerry

We have it easy being in Munster you might say. In the last few years we have beaten everything thrown at us from the 3 other provinces including Galway,Donegal,Meath,Sligo(x2), Louth

Aside from this I won't get away from an atrocious performance in Limerick yesterday. But it was a typical Cork performance against mediocre teams. The better the team the better Cork team is seen e.g Cork performance against sligo in the quarters last year compared to the performance in the semi against Meath.

Regarding the Munster final, Kerry will go in as raging hot favourites, Cork as no hopers. Counihan and Cork will be delighted at this, its on down the Park which is an advantage and there is no way Cork will be as bad as yesterday.In recent years there is nothing between Cork and Kerry in Munster final. Last year Cork should have won in killarney and who knows how the year might have turned out after.

grenache

bill_ashmount wrote: »

Don't think Kerry will beat Cork by 20 points in pairc ui caoimh. They'll probably win, but the won't destroy us.

No i didn't say they would beat you by 20, i said they'll put 20 points on you, as in score 20 points. I wouldn't expect there to be more than 4 or 5 points in it.

BlackAvon08

I would like to see Cork put Nick Murphy in full forward & bring Canty out to midfield.
If we give Hayes, Goulding, Masters, O’Connor & Gould a strong platform & enough quality ball they can put up a high score.
Most teams try to contain the Kerry forwards – but the Gooch is “unmarkable”. Kerry may not like it if we bring the game to them. Let them worry about our forwards for a change!
If we loose out in a high scoring match – it’s not the end of the world…it gives us a chance to build up confidence & a pattern of play in the qualifiers.

Beached

Actually since Canty has been mentioned, how did he end up on the opposition square to score a goal last sunday. Im really p***** off with RTE at the weekend for not showing more of the two Munster matches. Was Canty switched out to midfield or was it everyone up the field for the last few minutes.

And BlackAvon08, if all county managers thought like you, Gaelic Football matches would be the most exiting games ever.

K-9

REBEL CORK wrote: »

Overated?

2005- All_ireland semi final, beaten by Kerry
2006- Munster champions All-Ireland semi final, beaten by Kerry
2007- All-Ireland Finalists beaten by Kerry

The last team to beat Kerry in the championship? Cork
The only team to beat Cork in the last 3 years ? Kerry

We have it easy being in Munster you might say. In the last few years we have beaten everything thrown at us from the 3 other provinces including Galway,Donegal,Meath,Sligo(x2), Louth

Playing none of the top 5/6 teams and getting beaten by Kerry every year proves nothing barring an easy path for Munster counties.

REBEL CORK

Seanies32 wrote: »

Playing none of the top 5/6 teams and getting beaten by Kerry every year proves nothing barring an easy path for Munster counties.

Playing Kerry every year is the hardest path imaginable even if its only one game or if your really unlucky and be Cork twice

Number 1 against Kerry coming up soon, time for this Cork team to sh*te or get off the pot. Alot of making up to do after last September.

One problem I've seen with this Cork team is the lack of big powerful or players who won't be bullied or pushed over by kerry. Canty and O'leary being an exception. Michael Shields was the next of a new generation who could stand up to his kerry oppenant and take no bull off him but now lost to Australia. We're not making them like Teddy mac, dave Barry or the great kildare/corkman Larry Tompkins anymore. We have the footballers but what about the physical and metal strenght ???

I think we'll win munster but then again when and if we see the Kerry jersey in Croke Park that won't matter, we'll suffer a mental breakdown at that sight.Hopefully we'll have the chance and change that this year.

kerry4sam

REBEL CORK wrote: »

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I think we'll win munster but then again when and if we see the Kerry jersey in Croke Park that won't matter, we'll suffer a mental breakdown at that sight.Hopefully we'll have the chance and change that this year.

I don't know what it is about the Cork players when they see the Green n Gold in Croker; they just seem to have a mental block or something but ...

then down here in Munster you guys always up your game thankfully ... you give us at least one decent match before the All-Ireland quarter-final ... It will be a tight match, of that have no doubt, even without Galvin but the fire in Kerry at the moment it savage and next Sunday week is going to be another Kerry victory me thinks

MementoMori

Can see Cork raising their game but ultimately cant see Kerry losing this one.

Cork have reason to be wary - Gooch was quiet the last day against Clare - it's not like him to have two quiet games in a row

Archebald

dnt be so harsh on cork.i wouldnt be so surprised if they pulled it out of the bag,kerry are running on a near empty tank,,,,wat ever about munster they wont win the all ireland this year

BlackAvon08

Archebald wrote: »

dnt be so harsh on cork.i wouldnt be so surprised if they pulled it out of the bag,kerry are running on a near empty tank,,,,wat ever about munster they wont win the all ireland this year

Kerry are not running on empty. They are preparing to peak once this year – September. They will do just enough to get there. There is massive incentive this year with the 3 in a row.

I agree Cork could take the Munster final which would be good. However I’m looking for a change in attitude in Cork. Don’t go into the game trying to contain Kerry – they may achieve that down in the Pairc but as we have seen later in the year if we adopt that approach we’ll get blown away in Croker.

We need to re-kindle the spirit of the late 80’s / early 90’s. We’ve got the footballers – we just got them to believe it! As REBEL CORK puts it – Teddy Mac, Davie Barry, Cahalane & Co.

kerry4sam

[QUOTE=BlackAvon08;56335483Kerry are not running on empty. They are preparing to peak once this year – September. They will do just enough to get there. There is massive incentive this year with the 3 in a row[/QUOTE]

but with incentive comes massive pressure and with what's happening off-the-pitch at the moment we have a fair bit of ground to make up; and that's before our new captain takes the helm.

Interesting times ahead in the Kingdom and i wouldn't count on anything yet

popebenny16

Kerry's one and only focus should be the three in a row, if they beat Cork once or even twice to get it they'll take it, if they dont need to win the Munster they'll take that too, be intetresting to see how they are if they are about 2 to 3 points down with 5 mins left in the second half.

Well done Munster council, they got their showcase final for evermore and bugger the rest.

aidan24326

REBEL CORK wrote: »

Overated?

Yes. A bit.

2005- All_ireland semi final, beaten walloped by Kerry
2006- Munster champions All-Ireland semi final, beaten hammered by Kerry
2007- All-Ireland Finalists beaten trounced by Kerry

The last team to beat Kerry in the championship? Cork
The only team to beat Cork in the last 3 years ? Kerry

That's just 'cause ye keep playing each other so often, means feck all.

We have it easy being in Munster you might say. In the last few years we have beaten everything thrown at us from the 3 other provinces including Galway,Donegal,Meath,Sligo(x2), Louth

Lucky to beat Galway, Donegal are chokers in Croke Park, Meath didn't show up, Louth are Louth and Sligo were only there for a day out. Laste year Cork got the easiest run to a final ever. Beat nothing (Meath simply didn't turn up)

Regarding the Munster final, Kerry will go in as raging hot favourites, Cork as no hopers.

Bit of an exageration perhaps?

Seriously though I think there's a bit more riding on this than in previous years, due to the strength of teams in the qualifiers. Nobody will want to get lumped with the likes of Tyrone, Meath or Derry in a qualifier, so the direct route is definitely the way to go.

It adds extra importance to the Galway-Mayo game for the same reason.

blackbelt

popebenny16 wrote: »

Kerry's one and only focus should be the three in a row, if they beat Cork once or even twice to get it they'll take it, if they dont need to win the Munster they'll take that too, be intetresting to see how they are if they are about 2 to 3 points down with 5 mins left in the second half.

Well done Munster council, they got their showcase final for evermore and bugger the rest.

You can blame Waterford for that too Pope.Given that the seeding system would not have passed without their vote,we could have had different Munster Finals involving Kerry-Limerick or indeed Limerick-Cork if Cork and Kerry were open-drawn against each other in the first game of the MSFC.

Waterford County Board shooting themselves and every other Munster county in the foot.It further adds to the point that Waterford GAA is a bit of a joke.

Pride Fighter

Kerry by about 5 points. It should be Limerick in the final though. The Munster council should also scrap the seeding system IMO.

Orizio

I think people are ignoring the problems Cork have. Our two best forawrds(MacMahon and Masters) are either injured or lack match practice and our most consistent back (Shields) is down under. We also have 4 or 5 new relatively untested players starting.

On the other hand Counihan is a good coach and we are at home. If we run midfield and O'Connor and Goulding can get a half a dozen points each then who knows? God only knows the likes of O'Brien aren't going to put the ball over the bar, and I can't say I rate Goold much.

Kerry by two points.

aidan24326

blackbelt wrote: »

Waterford County Board shooting themselves and every other Munster county in the foot.It further adds to the point that Waterford GAA is a bit of a joke.

If Waterford really did vote in favour of seeding it has to be one of the most bizarre voting decisions of all time. I'd love to hear someone from Waterford county board explain that one.

REBEL CORK

aidan24326 wrote: »

If Waterford really did vote in favour of seeding it has to be one of the most bizarre voting decisions of all time. I'd love to hear someone from Waterford county board explain that one.

Tis true alright, strange county board decisions this year first the Cork county board trying to implement the by-gone days method of a manager not being able to choose his selectors from which the county board embarrassingly for them had to back down to the forward thinking Cork players, and then this Waterford county board decision.
You have to wonder do county board officialls and club representatives put much thought into their decisions at all.

445279.ie

I presume the tickets will be plentiful on the day and advance buying will not be necessary

bill_ashmount

DCC160 wrote: »

I presume the tickets will be plentiful on the day and advance buying will not be necessary

There will only be 25-30,000 at this. There will be no problem getting tickets.

Tomthepost

aidan24326 wrote: »

If Waterford really did vote in favour of seeding it has to be one of the most bizarre voting decisions of all time. I'd love to hear someone from Waterford county board explain that one.

Probably some deal whereby the next Munster Hurling Championship game between 'Frank Murphy's' Cork and 'Blame the Boss' Waterford will be played in Waterford!

Tomthepost

bill_ashmount wrote: »

There will only be 25-30,000 at this. There will be no problem getting tickets.

I actually think about 35,000 will show up maybe more. I actually expect a big Kerry crowd to show up after everything that has gone on lately.
The fact that the Cork Hurlers aint going great will probably ensure a good Cork crowd also.
A bit of sunshine might help also.:)

K-9

I got an email from Ticketmaster last week selling 2 for price of one.

Worth checking out for anybody interested. Might have been for people who had bought tickets previously through Ticketmaster though!

bill_ashmount

Seanies32 wrote: »

I got an email from Ticketmaster last week selling 2 for price of one.

Worth checking out for anybody interested. Might have been for people who had bought tickets previously through Ticketmaster though!

I'd heard about this, I thought it was a hoax to wind up the Kerry people.....

bill_ashmount

Tomthepost wrote: »

I actually think about 35,000 will show up maybe more. I actually expect a big Kerry crowd to show up after everything that has gone on lately.
The fact that the Cork Hurlers aint going great will probably ensure a good Cork crowd also.
A bit of sunshine might help also.:)

Possibly, the weather will have a big effect on the crowd. I'll be there because it's Cork playing but not expecting much. There was only 4000 of us up in Limerick a few weeks ago, but I suppose they'll come out of the woodwork for this match.

kerry4sam

bill_ashmount wrote: »

... There was only 4000 of us up in Limerick a few weeks ago, but I suppose they'll come out of the woodwork for this match.

Always happens for a Kerry match, at any stage in the year

kerry4sam

Not long to go now ... what's the banter like down with da rebels at the moment? ... err on the side of caution or the usual confidence :eek:

Orizio

Its supposed be pouring rain again tomorrow, and most Cork people have the same view of Football that I do (ie that its a ****e mix of basketball and soccer desinged for simpletons and the in-bred) so its no wonder that they are not expecting a high turn out.

I'll go if I can get spin, but the Cork footballers haven't done enough/anything to demand the support the hurlers get.

Pure Cork

Orizio wrote: »

Its supposed be pouring rain again tomorrow, and most Cork people have the same view of Football that I do (ie that its a ****e mix of basketball and soccer desinged for simpletons and the in-bred) so its no wonder that they are not expecting a high turn out.

I'll go if I can get spin, but the Cork footballers haven't done enough/anything to demand the support the hurlers get.

No surprises there. Irish people are notorious for jumping on bandwagons, for all sports. There are about 5-6000 genuine GAA football fans in Cork. The real fans go to watch games regardless of how the team are playing, the weather, etc. etc.

Excuses for tomorrow:
It's football. It's not hurling. The team aren't great. We probably won't win. They don't deserve my support. I can watch it on tv at home/in the pub. The weather. The price of fish.

Orizio

Yadda yadda yadda. People seem to think teams deserve unconditional loyalty and support, regardless of expense and time constraints, but thats nonsense. Its a matter of give and take. I'll start supporting the Cork footballers with enthusaism went they start beating teams of consquence or at least stop fainting like little fairies every time they end up in Croker. There is only so much humiliation people are going to take before they lose patience, and the Cork footballers have been a decade long embarassment.

Moreover, not everyone has a car, or the necessary money or time to support two teams throughout the year, on top of their club. People have lives and other commitments.

And gaelic football is still a **** game.

Dapos

Orizio wrote: »

Yadda yadda yadda. People seem to think teams deserve unconditional loyalty and support, regardless of expense and time constraints, but thats nonsense. Its a matter of give and take. I'll start supporting the Cork footballers with enthusaism went they start beating teams of consquence or at least stop fainting like little fairies every time they end up in Croker. There is only so much humiliation people are going to take before they lose patience, and the Cork footballers have been a decade long embarassment.

Moreover, not everyone has a car, or the necessary money or time to support two teams throughout the year, on top of their club. People have lives and other commitments.

And gaelic football is still a **** game.

Talk about being over critical! Cork footballers a decade long embarrassment? 3 munster championships and 2 all ireland final appearence in the last decade along with how many semi final appearences? Also is football not more popular than hurling in west cork?

Anyway being from kerry i'm not going to talk about cork too much, if u don't like football fair enough.

To be honest i'm just sick of all this negitive talk about the munster final. At the end of the day its between two good teams, in which anyone can win it. Forget about the other matches further down the line for now. Was at killarney last year and there was a great atmosphere around the town (place was loaded with cork people too) and it was a great match. I expect similar in cork and if the rest of the country wants to turn there nose up at it fair enough.


Anyway up the Kingdom.

MementoMori

Fingers crossed for a decent game - Conditions seem ok at the moment.

Gooch for MOTM - we're due a bit of magic after his break:)

blackbelt

Orizio wrote: »

Yadda yadda yadda. People seem to think teams deserve unconditional loyalty and support, regardless of expense and time constraints, but thats nonsense. Its a matter of give and take. I'll start supporting the Cork footballers with enthusaism went they start beating teams of consquence or at least stop fainting like little fairies every time they end up in Croker. There is only so much humiliation people are going to take before they lose patience, and the Cork footballers have been a decade long embarassment.

Moreover, not everyone has a car, or the necessary money or time to support two teams throughout the year, on top of their club. People have lives and other commitments.

And gaelic football is still a **** game.

Bandwagon supporter...in fairness you can't really celebrate Cork winning anything of consequence when it does happen due to this attitude.

dragondog

i think Cork have a good chance in this game as long as they play the game and not try to negate Kerry tactics.

aidan24326

There's a poor attendance. These Cork-Kerry games are becoming tired and boring. It's like Celtic v Rangers, who cares anymore.

I wouldn't mind seeing Kerry hammer Cork the langers again tbh.

Rowley Birkin QC

Anyone know the score of the minor match?

corcaighcailin9

Cracking game now... I might be smiling yet

Het-Field

Will anybody of make mention of the fact that Kerry have just pissed away an 8 point lead, to be, at the time of writing, 1 point in arrears.

If Dublin did this it would be enough to justify the belief that Wexford will do them two weeks from now

Orizio

Just back from the match. Conor Counihan must have given the mother of all rollickings at half time. In fairness, we didn't play that bad in the first half, it was just terrible shooting ruining us again. When we got our shooting boots on...

Congrats to Cork for finally growing a pair, and I'll hope to see Kerry in Croker again soon.

Dirk_Diggler

Bizarre that you watched the game since you hate it?

Pure Cork

Orizio wrote: »

Yadda yadda yadda. People seem to think teams deserve unconditional loyalty and support, regardless of expense and time constraints, but thats nonsense. Its a matter of give and take. I'll start supporting the Cork footballers with enthusaism went they start beating teams of consquence or at least stop fainting like little fairies every time they end up in Croker. There is only so much humiliation people are going to take before they lose patience, and the Cork footballers have been a decade long embarassment.

Moreover, not everyone has a car, or the necessary money or time to support two teams throughout the year, on top of their club. People have lives and other commitments.

And gaelic football is still a **** game.

People whose support of a team is conditional depending on the performance of the team are bandwagon supporters. It's a shame that the majority of Irish people don't know what it really means to support a team.

I fully accept that people sometimes can't make games due to commitments. That's not the point.

Fair enough if you don't like football. But why would you support the Cork footballers if you don't like football?

DDC1990

I Don't know about my fellow Kerry Men but i'm truely embarassed over a disgraceful second half performance. No heart, no leadership, poor management from the sideline. P!ssed off right now. 3 in a row my @rse! Sendings off (all 3) were a joke. Both Minor and Senior refs should never ref again.