Metallica - Death Magnetic.

Rockee

http://www.missionmetallica.com/

Any more twists in the great name game or is this it?? 'Death Magnetic.'

(Riff sounds class.)

Kevski

It's kinda cool, although as is the case with absolutely everything Metallica do nowadays, people are going to complain that they're losing it. Looks like some sort of a nod to the band's name - Death Magnetic...Metallica?

Rockee

Kevski wrote: »

It's kinda cool, although as is the case with absolutely everything Metallica do nowadays, people are going to complain that they're losing it.

Agreed, Ive been a massive fan since '94 and it aint been easy! The bashers wont be happy unless they call the album. 'Kill Em Lightning Puppets.'

The excerpts Ive heard so far have been pretty rockin!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

by everything metallica do nowadays, do you mean st anger?

cos anybody with any taste in music would criticise st anger.

tick tock tick tock, bollox

Rockee

Mordances with the proletariat wrote: »

by everything metallica do nowadays, do you mean st anger?

cos anybody with any taste in music would criticise st anger.

tick tock tick tock, bollox

Not one of their finer moments agreed, but the whole 'its not 'Master Of Puppets' talk gets as lame as 'How sh1t is Frantic?' talk.

feylya

mms://wm.elektra.com/metallica/metallica_com/2008/nomore_300wm.wmv

There's a link to the video.

Some of the reviews have been saying that there are some absolutely terrible songs on the album as well as some fantastic ones. I don't know what to think at this stage - the riffs I'm hearing are pretty cool though.

Diceicle

Metallica have been on a downward slide since 1991. The Black album is the last decent thing they've released thats 17 years ago!!! Now don't get me wrong, I still love alot of Metallicas early stuff and would like nothing better than them to come back with a juggernaut of an album and show some of the younger bands how to do it, but a few nice riffs do not a good song make. They're purely living off their back-catalog and cashing in on that fact, I mean, who actually shells out their hard earned cash to go see Metallica(sh) play King Nothing or St Anger ? I'll tell ya who. No one.

feylya

I do. Think King Nothing is a great song.

GhostInTheRuins

feylya wrote: »

mms://wm.elektra.com/metallica/metallica_com/2008/nomore_300wm.wmv

I hope that's not part of an actually song, because if it is it sounds like they tried to make the most annoying riff they could.

lord lucan

feylya wrote: »

I do. Think King Nothing is a great song.

+1:cool:

as it is with all things metallica they'll either be hailed as metal gods or a nostalgia act living off former glories. tbh,as a metallica fan what i've always admired about them is the fact that they don't keep doing the same old thing. they broke big time with master of puppets and could have kept what was essentially a winning formula but instead they moved on to the heavy 8 minute song epics of AJFA followed bythe polished radio friendly TBA which in turn was followed by load/reload which were basically hard rock albums. they then done an album of covers and then played with an orchestra followed by a near break up and then st. anger.

the bottom line is they make music for themselves and if other people enjoy it then happy days. they're multi-millionaires and don't need the money,this album i think is being born out feeling like they have to prove themselves again. they still get more flak than any other band i know,a lot of that down to the napster debacle. the music mags that i've read who heard previews of 6 new songs sounded pretty positive,especially given that the tracks hadn't been mastered yet. then again,kerrang who thought it was great also gave st. anger a 5* rating when it came out and only changed their mind when they realised everyone thought it was crap. so i'll take the music critics opinion with a pinch of salt and make up my own mind in september.

ven0m

You're all missing the point - a point which James hit well on in an interview in the last few months.

Metallica has been functioning for the last number of years as a band who moved away from 'either a riff/fill/something' is good or **** to being 'well, maybe we can do something with that' to full on forced contrived, as seen clearly in SKoM in how they constructed songs.

Hetfield said that the new album was not about making puppets two, or recapturing the mind frame of 20-odd years ago, but instead stop forcing things to go together, & instead stop looking for the positive in everything, when clearly it isn't there.

Anyone who actually writes music themselves, & records music & look at how you wrote/recorded when you were 19/20 to when you're say 30 ..... you'll find yourself teasing ideas out way more instead of going with the flow & going 'f**k it, it sucks ... move on'. Your musical patience grows as you get older, & sometimes it's bad - sometimes it's good, depends on what you play.

St Anger was nothing more than a pure control exercise by James Hetfield - he controlled the recording, the band's mentality, their 'do we/don't we exist' - Bob Rock certainly didn't help, & hasn't. It's very much like Mutt Lange, total overkill on the control issue.

Fleming Rasmusen didn't sit on them like Bob Rock did, hence why they went with Rick Rubin. Yes Rick is a notorious perfectionist - however he will always tell you "You're not in here to please me - it's to please you", & if something sucks - you'll know in no uncertain terms - unlike Bob Rock, who when you saw SKoM you saw how he always seemed to find something good in the dirtiest piece of garbage .....

the sooner people get off this 'I want it to be 20 years ago buzz' & grow the f**k up, the better! hey I wanna be able to wear drain pipe jeans again - but that sure as **** isn't gonna happen any time soon...........

p.s. Album title ....... awesome!!!!! Roll on August & September!!!!!

Sephiroth_dude

ven0m wrote: »

You're all missing the point - a point which James hit well on in an interview in the last few months.

Metallica has been functioning for the last number of years as a band who moved away from 'either a riff/fill/something' is good or **** to being 'well, maybe we can do something with that' to full on forced contrived, as seen clearly in SKoM in how they constructed songs.

Hetfield said that the new album was not about making puppets two, or recapturing the mind frame of 20-odd years ago, but instead stop forcing things to go together, & instead stop looking for the positive in everything, when clearly it isn't there.

Anyone who actually writes music themselves, & records music & look at how you wrote/recorded when you were 19/20 to when you're say 30 ..... you'll find yourself teasing ideas out way more instead of going with the flow & going 'f**k it, it sucks ... move on'. Your musical patience grows as you get older, & sometimes it's bad - sometimes it's good, depends on what you play.

St Anger was nothing more than a pure control exercise by James Hetfield - he controlled the recording, the band's mentality, their 'do we/don't we exist' - Bob Rock certainly didn't help, & hasn't. It's very much like Mutt Lange, total overkill on the control issue.

Fleming Rasmusen didn't sit on them like Bob Rock did, hence why they went with Rick Rubin. Yes Rick is a notorious perfectionist - however he will always tell you "You're not in here to please me - it's to please you", & if something sucks - you'll know in no uncertain terms - unlike Bob Rock, who when you saw SKoM you saw how he always seemed to find something good in the dirtiest piece of garbage .....

the sooner people get off this 'I want it to be 20 years ago buzz' & grow the f**k up, the better! hey I wanna be able to wear drain pipe jeans again - but that sure as **** isn't gonna happen any time soon...........

p.s. Album title ....... awesome!!!!! Roll on August & September!!!!!

well said dude.

Sephiroth_dude

Im actually really looking forward to this album :-),im glad rick rubin produced it and not bob rock.

IamMetaldave

ven0m wrote: »

You're all missing the point - a point which James hit well on in an interview in the last few months.

Metallica has been functioning for the last number of years as a band who moved away from 'either a riff/fill/something' is good or **** to being 'well, maybe we can do something with that' to full on forced contrived, as seen clearly in SKoM in how they constructed songs.

Hetfield said that the new album was not about making puppets two, or recapturing the mind frame of 20-odd years ago, but instead stop forcing things to go together, & instead stop looking for the positive in everything, when clearly it isn't there.

Anyone who actually writes music themselves, & records music & look at how you wrote/recorded when you were 19/20 to when you're say 30 ..... you'll find yourself teasing ideas out way more instead of going with the flow & going 'f**k it, it sucks ... move on'. Your musical patience grows as you get older, & sometimes it's bad - sometimes it's good, depends on what you play.

St Anger was nothing more than a pure control exercise by James Hetfield - he controlled the recording, the band's mentality, their 'do we/don't we exist' - Bob Rock certainly didn't help, & hasn't. It's very much like Mutt Lange, total overkill on the control issue.

Fleming Rasmusen didn't sit on them like Bob Rock did, hence why they went with Rick Rubin. Yes Rick is a notorious perfectionist - however he will always tell you "You're not in here to please me - it's to please you", & if something sucks - you'll know in no uncertain terms - unlike Bob Rock, who when you saw SKoM you saw how he always seemed to find something good in the dirtiest piece of garbage .....

the sooner people get off this 'I want it to be 20 years ago buzz' & grow the f**k up, the better! hey I wanna be able to wear drain pipe jeans again - but that sure as **** isn't gonna happen any time soon...........

p.s. Album title ....... awesome!!!!! Roll on August & September!!!!!

+2 Very well said, couldn't agree more.

faceman

Im looking forward to this!

Mr. CooL ICE

ven0m wrote: »

You're all missing the point - a point which James hit well on in an interview in the last few months.

Metallica has been functioning for the last number of years as a band who moved away from 'either a riff/fill/something' is good or **** to being 'well, maybe we can do something with that' to full on forced contrived, as seen clearly in SKoM in how they constructed songs.

Hetfield said that the new album was not about making puppets two, or recapturing the mind frame of 20-odd years ago, but instead stop forcing things to go together, & instead stop looking for the positive in everything, when clearly it isn't there.

Anyone who actually writes music themselves, & records music & look at how you wrote/recorded when you were 19/20 to when you're say 30 ..... you'll find yourself teasing ideas out way more instead of going with the flow & going 'f**k it, it sucks ... move on'. Your musical patience grows as you get older, & sometimes it's bad - sometimes it's good, depends on what you play.

St Anger was nothing more than a pure control exercise by James Hetfield - he controlled the recording, the band's mentality, their 'do we/don't we exist' - Bob Rock certainly didn't help, & hasn't. It's very much like Mutt Lange, total overkill on the control issue.

Fleming Rasmusen didn't sit on them like Bob Rock did, hence why they went with Rick Rubin. Yes Rick is a notorious perfectionist - however he will always tell you "You're not in here to please me - it's to please you", & if something sucks - you'll know in no uncertain terms - unlike Bob Rock, who when you saw SKoM you saw how he always seemed to find something good in the dirtiest piece of garbage .....

the sooner people get off this 'I want it to be 20 years ago buzz' & grow the f**k up, the better! hey I wanna be able to wear drain pipe jeans again - but that sure as **** isn't gonna happen any time soon...........

p.s. Album title ....... awesome!!!!! Roll on August & September!!!!!

It doesn't matter how any album is written or what the circumstances are, all that matters at the end of the day is whether or not an album is any good. If its a sh1t album, its a sh1t album.

Malice

I hope this will be a worthy album. Like St. Anger and Load/Reload, I will be judging it on it's own merits, not on whether it hits me in the same way Ride the Lightning did when I heard it first.

senordingdong

Could be worse.

ven0m

LordChessington wrote: »

It doesn't matter how any album is written or what the circumstances are, all that matters at the end of the day is whether or not an album is any good. If its a sh1t album, its a sh1t album.

Didn't I just make that point???? :rolleyes:

NIBBS

Dave Eyesclosed wrote: »

+2 Very well said, couldn't agree more.

I'll 3rd that motion - is it carried now

agree with Venom on this one, why can't people just stop rackin up the past, if even Hetfield can recognise the error of his was with regards to the making of certain records everyone else just needs to forget about them..........

no point in judging this new album on a couple of clips either, just doesn't make any sense to do that, it's the same as seeing a 20sec clip of a film and saying the film is crap - you haven't heard the peice of work so wait till the f**ker drops before murdering it.....

brown-dog

I agree to - I'm really looking forward to this album. I have always been a fan of Metallica and have to say that I did like St Anger for many reasons. Bands at that time seemed to be almost scared to do anything different in fear of being killed for it but they made an album that they wanted to and also released the movie about it being made. Its takes guts to lay it all out there for everyone to see. Roll on Aug and September is right

chattyk

Agreed - very well said. Metallica make the music they like, if we all like it - bonus! Lets listen to the finished album and make up our own minds.

Yes roll on August & September. I'm taking my 10 year old son to his first gig hope he enjoys it as much as I did way way back when!

Mental Mickey

chattyk wrote: »

Agreed - very well said. Metallica make the music they like, if we all like it - bonus! Lets listen to the finished album and make up our own minds.

Yes roll on August & September. I'm taking my 10 year old son to his first gig hope he enjoys it as much as I did way way back when!

Here here. We should count ourselves lucky that it's only been 5 years!? We could be GnR fans waiting for Chinese bleedin Democracy to drop!?

pyure

this sounds pretty cool:

According to the Norwegian music retailer Platekompaniet, Metallica will release a limited-edition two-CD, one-DVD, deluxe "Death Magnetic" box set in September. The box set will be packaged as a coffin box and will also include an exclusive t-shirt, flag and USB memory stick.

The details of the deluxe box set are as follows:

1 "Death Magnetic" CD (exclusive digipack version)

1 CD with demos of songs from "Death Magnetic" (10 songs)

1 "Making of 'Death Magnetic'" DVD featuring never-before-seen material

1 exclusive "Death Magnetic" t-shirt (only available with the box set)

1 "Death Magnetic" flag

A set of "Death Magnetic" guitar picks

1 fold-out, coffin box, poster with pictures of the band members

1 USB memory stick with Metallica logo (enables digital download of "Death Magnetic" album)

A Finnish retailer called Record Shop X has listed Wednesday, September 17 as the release date for Metallica's ninth studio album, "Death Magnetic". Although an official release date has yet to be announced by the band or its label, the Finnish date would indicate that the album would arrive in the U.S. on Tuesday, September 16, with most of continental Europe getting the CD one day earlier on September 15. Some countries, including Germany, Austria and Switzerland, would see the record issued on Friday, September 12.

feylya

Hmm, sounds interesting. No mention of that on the Mission Metallica site, which will piss people off if they can't buy it from there

lord lucan

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2632512014_feaaaef164_o.jpg

works out at just over €100:cool:

i'd buy it:D

pyure

I reckon I'll be getting this - steep enough, but you get plenty for your money
hopefully this means everyone involved thinks the album is amazing - can't see them releasing this sort of package for a weak album.

Het-Field

Has anybody ever seen that interview with Cliff Burton on "Cliff Em All"

First thing he says is "we do what we want to do". He then went on to rebuke "trends and fads", before saying that if people dont like Metallica's **** then "whatever"

It said it all, and it highlights that the spirit of Metallica lives on !

Doctor J

Rockee wrote: »

The bashers wont be happy unless they call the album. 'Kill Em Lightning Puppets.'

I wouldn't agree with that. Good bands change, **** bands stay the same. I don't think anybody could get upset by Metallica continuing to evolve, there's a clear change and progression through the first four albums. The problem was Metallica's song quality deteriorated through the 90's through to the clueless, uninspired and flaccid stanger debacle. It's not a style change that lost them a lot of fans, it's just they put out some truly **** songs with some very bland riffs and meaningless lyrical slop, something they never did in the early days.

The very worst thing they could do is try to emulate what they did in the 80's because in the 80's they were looking to break new ground, not rehash what had gone before. Their strength was in their determination to create, that's what makes those albums so good. Each new release pushed things further out, broke new ground. It's not about being relentlessly heavy (as stanger proved), it's about being good, about being inventive. When they mentioned using the 80's albums as inspriation the alarm bells started ringing. If they use their old albums as a template then they're truly ****ed and, hate to say it, should call it a day. If they're going to operate solely within a tried and tested comfort zone, they might as well be Boyzone. When you've nothing new to say, leave the stage.

I worry that, in the same way they had a "no solo" policy which, as Kirk managed to point out, dated that album before it was ever released, the new material will be trying to hard to conform to what they were doing 20 years ago. It would be just as big as mistake to make an 80's style album and obey the rules of a genre which died in the early 90's because it ran out of ideas and was already repeating itself, as it was to serve up that turgid lobster ****e the last time.

Let us hope that is not the case

0ubliette

ven0m wrote: »

the sooner people get off this 'I want it to be 20 years ago buzz' & grow the f**k up, the better! hey I wanna be able to wear drain pipe jeans again - but that sure as **** isn't gonna happen any time soon...........

p.s. Album title ....... awesome!!!!! Roll on August & September!!!!!

eh its not a case of people wanting it to be 20 years ago or puppets mark 2, its people wanting metallica to release a good album. Which they havent done since AJFA.

BarryCreed

can 40+ year olds release good energetic heavy/thrash metal albums?

i know being in my 30s I listen to music in a way different light as to when I was 18. When I was 18, I probably would have wanted to start a metal band, now I'd go more for Mogwai/ISIS thing. I changed. I dunno, maybe Metallica have changed and will not release anything to top AJFA etc, as they are not 25 anymore....???

Hal1

Just heard this clip which is apparently from the new album but it sounds like a young Heitfield singing and I have never heard it and Ive been listening to them since '91. Man thats a class riff and vocals are good too. Ive heard 3 songs which are supposed to be released on the new album, if that is what its going to sound like I will definately be purchasing the album.

Edit: just read through some of the comments on YT, I feel like such a **** now

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

from the comments

This is not metallica, this is christian metal band Eternal Decision. Specifically, the song is called "Overflow".

Hal1

Yeah, I edited my last post. It's still a good song though.

GhostInTheRuins

Even if that was metallica, it sounds exactly like for whom the bell tolls

Mr. CooL ICE

BarryCreed wrote: »

can 40+ year olds release good energetic heavy/thrash metal albums?

Slayer - Christ Illusion. Dave Lombardo's first since SITA and (IMO) their best since then. Hell, it even has their first ever blast beat!

Doctor J

LordChessington wrote: »

Slayer - Christ Illusion. Dave Lombardo's first since SITA and (IMO) their best since then. Hell, it even has their first ever blast beat!

He said good

SirLemonhead

Painkiller?

noloveinfear21

I'm trying not to get too bothered by the new album but what I've heard seems like an improvement on the load/reload era. And after watching their performance at rock am ring this year there is hope that it could be decent. Great set list, Hefield sounded good, Lars actually kept in time (apart from a **** up on ...and justice for all...but when was the last time they played that!) for most of it and there just seems a renewed energy.

Plus Bob Rock is gone.....finally

lord lucan

and not to forget that it's rob trujillos first album with metallica and the influence he'll bring with him.

Doctor J

What has Rob Trujillo ever influenced in an amazing way before? He brought some pop and slap to ST and Infectious Grooves, but everything else (Ozzy, Cantrell) he's just been a hired goon. I can't see him having much influence at all, he's hardly got an illustrious and creative songwriting history behind him.

If ever there has been a Hetfield/Ulrich album, I reckon this will be it. They tried collaboration and it sucked balls, I reckon it'll be a closed shop this time.

feylya

But what about all the flamenco guitar he's been playing!?!?!

Doctor J

He can play all the flamenco he wants, either they've gone Rodrigo Y Gabriela or it's going to be some 10 second intro, no?

feylya

Na, it's a video from the Mission Metallica site where he's getting flamenco lessons...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

they should hire timbaland to work on their album...

finbarr

Much as I like Trujillo the doc has a good point. He was involved with Suicidal for 2 great albums before they descended into a crap parody of themselves. His time in Ozzy was an utter waste and his bass playing on Jerry Cantrells solo stuff was rather stock. He is a worthwhile addition to Metallica though since he seems content to go with the flow and not butt heads with James and Lars and just let them at it (Kind of like Kirk but at least Kirk has contributed a wealth of riffs and ideas - he just needs a serious amount of guidance). Newsteds time was tarnished by the fact that he wanted to be creatively involved so badly but was just shut out by the others. Shame really since his 3 contributions were all on good songs... However he hasn't set the world alight since his departure either so it really brings it back to the fact that all that's needed is the James/Lars core.

Doctor J

Wha? Those two Voivod albums are both high quality affairs.

finbarr

I knew that'd get you going!!!
And no I don't think the Voivod stuff is class. They were always just an OK band to me.

Doctor J

Well, at least you know you're wrong :pac:

lord lucan

Doctor J wrote: »

If ever there has been a Hetfield/Ulrich album, I reckon this will be it. They tried collaboration and it sucked balls, I reckon it'll be a closed shop this time.

from the videos i've seen it looks like hetfield is pushing this one big time. maybe after sharing out the songwriting duties on st. anger and not being as actively involved as he was on all their other stuff due to his limited working hours following rehab he feels like he personally has a point to prove. by all accounts he's been creating enough riffs to spawn a number of albums and all the songwriting is back on him again.

lord lucan

finbarr wrote: »

Much as I like Trujillo the doc has a good point. He was involved with Suicidal for 2 great albums before they descended into a crap parody of themselves. His time in Ozzy was an utter waste and his bass playing on Jerry Cantrells solo stuff was rather stock. He is a worthwhile addition to Metallica though since he seems content to go with the flow and not butt heads with James and Lars and just let them at it (Kind of like Kirk but at least Kirk has contributed a wealth of riffs and ideas - he just needs a serious amount of guidance). Newsteds time was tarnished by the fact that he wanted to be creatively involved so badly but was just shut out by the others. Shame really since his 3 contributions were all on good songs... However he hasn't set the world alight since his departure either so it really brings it back to the fact that all that's needed is the James/Lars core.

i'm not sure trujillo will have much influence on songwriting,quite possibly none but i think his influence or vibe will have a very positive effect on the new album. their playing has gotten considerably tighter the more they've played together over the last few years. they seem genuinely comfortable together.