Banned from boards forum because I spoke Irish!

GA361

I was leaving a reply on this page the other day:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055309867&page=7

As you can see I naturaly replied in this country's first language.
Do you think the ban was fair.What would Michael Collins or Patric Pearse think of this action?

c - 13

They'd probably think you should take it to feedback tbh

Caoimhín

GA361 wrote: »

I was leaving a reply on this page the other day:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055309867&page=7

As you can see I naturaly replied in this country's first language.
Do you think the ban was fair.What would Michael Collins or Patric Pearse think of this action?

There was no d'internet when Michael Collins was alive.

Gordon

I must admit that Irish Skeptics was not the first forum that I thought the OP would be posting in. Why is it in this forum?

You were not banned for posting in Irish, if you were you would have been banned immediately after posting in Irish.

GA361

Gordon wrote: »

I must admit that Irish Skeptics was not the first forum that I thought the OP would be posting in. Why is it in this forum?

You were not banned for posting in Irish, if you were you would have been banned immediately after posting in Irish.

If I wasnt banned for speaking Irish,tell me what i was banned for?

Gordon

GA361 wrote: »

If I wasnt banned for speaking Irish,tell me what i was banned for?

Thaedydal wrote: »

GA361 banned for off topic posting and questioning a mod action in the forum.

You may need to log out to read this on the thread.

La0Fruitcake

no harm but thats really bad actually:( if it had of been russian or polish would that person get banned??! just a harmless point:D

GA361

Gordon wrote: »

You may need to log out to read this on the thread.

If you recall my replies were completeley on topic.
It was a moderator who brought the conversation off topic by critiscing my native tongue,wouldn't you agree?

GA361

La0Fruitcake wrote: »

no harm but thats really bad actually:( if it had of been russian or polish would that person get banned??! just a harmless point:D

Thanks very much for your understanding.Clearly you approached this situation with common sense and logic.

Gordon

La0Fruitcake wrote: »

no harm but thats really bad actually:( if it had of been russian or polish would that person get banned??! just a harmless point:D

No of course not, because GA361 wasn't banned for speaking in Irish, why would someone else get banned for speaking in Russian?

GA361 wrote: »

If you recall my replies were completeley on topic.
It was a moderator who brought the conversation off topic by critiscing my native tongue,wouldn't you agree?

No I wouldn't. And I have no idea if your Irish language reply was on topic or not. But that is besides the point.

GA361

I was leaving a reply on this page the other day:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...5309867&page=7

As you can see I naturaly replied in this country's first language.
Do you think the ban was fair.What would Michael Collins or Patric Pearse think of this action?

passive

Tbh Pearse was a wanker and you seem like a bit of one too... So I stand by the mods on this one. Also, take it to feedback

Ruu_Old

Thaedydals reply says you were banned for posting off topic and questioning a mod action in the forum. I don't see anything regarding your posting in Irish.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

there's a forum for irish speaking types, we don't take kindly to your sort 'round these parts.

Gordon

As I said to you earlier: You were not banned for posting in Irish, if you were you would have been banned immediately after posting in Irish. You were not banned for posting in Irish.

Sherifu

Ta se uafasach.

Wibbs

Lets be clear. You were warned for posting in a language that contrary to your opinion, a goodly proportion, if not most posters, would not understand, or would not understand enough to form an opinion on said post. Indeed "an pharanoid" was damn near all I understood of the post and you helpfully translated that. The following poster proves my point for me, as she took you up wrong and then you had to translate further. Enough said. If you had provided a translation then fine. Knock yourself out.

You were then banned for going wildly off topic and questioning a mod action, outside of feedback. This continues even here when it would be best taken to aforementioned feedback.

FYI "extracting the urine" is a nicer way of saying "taking the piss". It does not associate the subject with urine.

It just happened Thaed banned you. I would have banned you if I'd seen it first as your response and your further witterings here just reinforce the idea that you're shít stirring for the sake of it, just to prove whatever axe you have to grind. It has sweet fanny adams to do with helping the OP in PI that's for sure.

In any case take it to feedback.

PS La0Fruitcake yes I would have warned someone who posted in Polish, which arguably has more fluent speakers than Irish in some quarters.

Winters

Mordances with the proletariat wrote: »

there's a forum for irish speaking types, we don't take kindly to your sort 'round these parts.

'calm down skeeter, he ain't hurtin nobody

GA361

How dare you say something like that about one of Ireland's great patriots.You may live in a country which has lost all sense of nationalism,but I live in a very proud Nationalist Country.

Please refrain from using such foul language.

This was a reply to passive's statement.

Dyr

I remember pointing out that somebody was replying in an arabic script before and I was told there was no problem with it, as someone would understand it. apparently doesnt apply to the irish language.

Gordon

Bambi wrote: »

I remember pointing out that somebody was replying in an arabic script before and I was told there was no problem with it, as someone would understand it. apparently doesnt apply to the irish language.

In Personal Issues? Really? Please provide a link and I'll personally look into it, thanks.

Unless you are talking about usernames being in Arabic as per this thread which of course has nothing to do with this thread.

GA361

Wibbs wrote: »

Lets be clear. You were warned for posting in a language that contrary to your opinion, a goodly proportion, if not most posters, would not understand, or would not understand enough to form an opinion on said post. Indeed "an pharanoid" was damn near all I understood of the post and you helpfully translated that. The following poster proves my point for me, as she took you up wrong and then you had to translate further. Enough said. If you had provided a translation then fine. Knock yourself out.

You were then banned for going wildly off topic and questioning a mod action, outside of feedback. This continues even here when it would be best taken to aforementioned feedback.

FYI "extracting the urine" is a nicer way of saying "taking the piss". It does not associate the subject with urine.

It just happened Thaed banned you. I would have banned you if I'd seen it first as your response and your further witterings here just reinforce the idea that you're shít stirring for the sake of it, just to prove whatever axe you have to grind. It has sweet fanny adams to do with helping the OP in PI that's for sure.

In any case take it to feedback.

PS La0Fruitcake yes I would have warned someone who posted in Polish, which arguably has more fluent speakers than Irish in some quarters.

Whether you believe I was trying to help the OP or not is irrelevent.The fact of the matter is,the point that I made was completely on-topic constructive critiscism.The fact that I naturally expressed my opinion in this country's first language is my own business and should not be questioned by anyone,including mods.You were the one who brought the conversation off-topic,not me,dont forget that.

leeroybrown

The problem is that the OP chose to act the moron on PI. PI is a forum for giving advice to the thread starter. They posted exclusively in English and as such deserved at a minimum a response with a perfect English translation too. Regardless of the validity of the content it was well out of line. TBH I wouldn't want to see people excluded in this way elsewhere either.

If you want to fight a battle about the Irish language do it in a useful fashion rather than leave people with the opinion that you are a zealot.

Wibbs

GA361 wrote: »

If you recall my replies were completeley on topic.

Who could tell save a fluent Irish speaker? The poster immediately following seemed to reckon she knew enough Irish to make a judgement and yet apparently still misunderstood you.

It was a moderator who brought the conversation off topic by critiscing my native tongue,wouldn't you agree?

Ehhhhhh. Mkay, so if you post in txtspeak as an example and I or another mod call you on it, that's off topic? More shít stirring again.

You may live in a country which has lost all sense of nationalism,but I live in a very proud Nationalist Country

Small "n" nationalism versus big "N" nationalism. :rolleyes: Sheesh, I know which one is the better option IMHO. Again the pot gets stirred. Are you for real?

passive

GA361 wrote: »

How dare you say something like that about one of Ireland's great patriots.You may live in a country which has lost all sense of nationalism,but I live in a very proud Nationalist Country.

Please refrain from using such foul language.

This was a reply to passive's statement.

The point stands if it isn't reinforced further. There are Irish forums, on which you can have discussions of Irish, but whatever about your Nationalist Country, the majority of people on boards.ie aren't going to understand you if you post in Irish, and you're just doing it for attention.

Gordon

(modnote: an earlier thread was created on Irish Skeptics forum and moved to Feedback, I have merged that thread with this one)

leninbenjamin

Wibbs wrote: »

Who could tell save a fluent Irish speaker?

I could and I'm far from fluent.

Wibbs

Firstly it would help if you actually had a little think about this and post in feedback(I see someone else has sorted that) and not clutter up another forum.

GA361 wrote: »

Whether you believe I was trying to help the OP or not is irrelevent.

Actually it's not. If by your post or by the wording in your post I or any other mod feels that you're hindering not helping then mods will warn you of that. Simple as. You seem to have difficulty getting your head around this.

The fact of the matter is,the point that I made was completely on-topic constructive critiscism.

That's fine and dandy, but the fact that you deliberately wrote it in a language that is not fluently understood by a majority of people on this site(I'm not talking about knowing a few words either), is the point in question.

The fact that I naturally expressed my opinion in this country's first language is my own business and should not be questioned by anyone,including mods.

Irish and English are official languages in this country. The latter is the one most commonly spoken. Fact. The latter is the language most commonly spoken in this forum. Fact. Indeed the OP may not even have english as her first language(her description of her age as 20 ans may confirm that). This is a multicultural society and we have people from all over posting here. It's some presumption to make that Irish people would understand you fully, never mind non Irish.

You were the one who brought the conversation off-topic,not me,dont forget that.

Look, you've clearly an axe to grind. That was my suspicion from the get go, hence the warning. Your continued rantings here just serve to prove it.

event

GA361 wrote: »

The fact that I naturally expressed my opinion in this country's first language is my own business and should not be questioned by anyone,including mods.

buddy, is it their business. People seem to forget, that this is a privately owned forum and is not open to freedom of speech. hell, tomorrow they could make a rule that we all had to post in caps, and we'd have to comply to stay here. Tough shíte

lcocksuckersl wrote: »

First thing Monday I'm going on radio with this.

aye, best of luck with that

ProjectColossus

You were warned that you should not post in a language that might not be understood by everyone. Note that everybody else in the thread had posted in English including most importantly, the OP.
You even proved this point yourself, when you criticized lorna100 for mistranslating you and misinterpreting what you had posted. I don't have excellent Irish, and I wasn't sure what you were trying to say. There is no room for miscommunication on PI. So you were warned.

Then, you got on your high horse and refuted the warning. You were banned for this, as you questioned the mod's actions, posting off topic (the topic of the OP's problem).

Very very simple. Mod was 100% correct.

leeroybrown

Wibbs wrote: »

Who could tell save a fluent Irish speaker?

Exactly. I could figure out what the OP meant but I couldn't be certain about it. Also, referencing an Irish poem very few people reading the thread would be familiar with when supposedly giving advice is 'extracting the urine' too.

Anti

Can someone translate the OPS irish post into english ? I haven't a ****ing bean what he was on about.

AARRRGH

GA361 wrote: »

I was leaving a reply on this page the other day:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055309867&page=7

As you can see I naturaly replied in this country's first language.
Do you think the ban was fair.What would Michael Collins or Patric Pearse think of this action?

Why are you speaking in English now? Is it because you understand no one will know what the **** you're saying?

What would Michael Collins or Patric Pearse think of this action?

Wibbs

leninbenjamin wrote: »

I could and I'm far from fluent.

Cool, but as I pointed out the following poster got the wrong end of the stick and that required further translation from GA361.

Look as I wrote, if someone wants to write in Irish, followed by an English translation then I would personally have no objection to it.

That said, how many of the mods of PI or other forums are fluent enough to know when a poster is being subtly abusive. I certainly couldn't tell.

English is the majority language in this forum(outside of certain forums of course), so in giving advice in a forum such as PI then understandability is first and foremost the concern. GA361's presumption that the OP of the thread could understand Irish is bad enough. To then continue to shít stir is what got him banned from there.

I agree with leeroybrown, if you wanted to make a point about Irish speakers, you certainly made it, but not in the way you should have wanted, I expect(then again...)

Nevyn

Private Message: ban from the personal issues forum
Recipients: GA361

ban from the personal issues forum
You are banned for two weeks from the personal issues forum for off topic posting and questioning a mod action on the forum.

I will not be willing to discuss this further with you.
Are free to start threads in feedback about the ban and a thread about Irish on this website.

English is the working language of this site and of the PI forum.

Thaedydal

That is the pm you got informing you of your ban and the reason for your ban.

If you want to question this sites language policy fair enough but stop using it as a smokescreen as to why you were banned.

GA361

dublindude wrote: »

Why are you speaking in English now? Is it because you understand no one will know what the **** you're saying?

What would Michael Collins or Patric Pearse think of this action?

Michael Collins spoke English in The Treaty negotiations,not Irish. . . So I guess he would understand . . .

Also.I think that most people are forgetting the key point.
Irish is the first language of this country and as such takes precidence over English.
If you choose to discriminate against me because I am proud of my Irish culture,I accept that.I know how to take my licks like a man.It is not my fault if the OP in that PI thread couldnt understand the first language of this country.And again,all my original point was on topic.

Dyr

Gordon wrote: »

In Personal Issues? Really? Please provide a link and I'll personally look into it, thanks.

Unless you are talking about usernames being in Arabic as per this thread which of course has nothing to do with this thread.

I said it was in in Personal tissues? :pac:

the very thread. oul squiggly name adresses me in squigglese and nary a mod bats an eyelid. He could have called me a c**t for all we know, the bowsie.

Dord

So, he's complaining about not being able to speak in Irish on the site yet there is a forum for speaking Irish. AND... the post he made is not in line with the coversation in PI that was in English. If that was real life and someone just started randomly talking in Irish with everyone else speaking in English they'd be told to cop on.

Nevyn

GA361 wrote: »

Whether you believe I was trying to help the OP or not is irrelevent.The fact of the matter is,the point that I made was completely on-topic constructive critiscism.The fact that I naturally expressed my opinion in this country's first language is my own business and should not be questioned by anyone,including mods.You were the one who brought the conversation off-topic,not me,dont forget that.

It is an irish site and not a gaeilgeoir site.

You dishonor the hospitality of the owners of this site by speaking in a language their other guests can not understand, this site is their hall and they have said that a common language to all is to be spoken unless permission is granted otherwise.

There are places here where you may converse as Gaeilge but the personal issues forum is not one of them.

What is the point of wise words and advice if you choose to impart them in away they will not be understood by the person is need ?

Indeed to do such mocks their need and shows ill judgment.

The dialects of Gaeilge maybe the older languages of this land but the Irish republic has two languages which are considered equal under the constitution
and the owners of this site, who's hospitality you enjoy and who's terms and conditions you agreed to be bound by when you signed up your account have stated that the common language of the site is English.

You were directed by the mod of that forum to compile with the Terms and Conditions of the site and you went on to break the forums rules by questioning that mod action on the forum it's that simple.

Bob the Builder

Completely deserved.

GA361 wrote: »

What would Michael Collins or Patric Pearse think of this action?

He would have said that you're a trolling little wanker.

Probably would have shot you, instead of boards just giving you a 2 week petty ban. Now go fúck off.

Zaph

SeantheLady wrote: »

People who use this site and get unfairly banned, just want a 'sorry about that', from the mods.

That's a fair enough point if anyone was unfairly banned. In this case the poster was banned for a breach of that forum's charter. He's not banned from the whole site, just PI. There's nothing to apologise for.

Anyway, enjoy your next ban.

Dord

SeantheLady wrote: »

For Gordon,
This city has few net spots to chose, i'm in net cafe with fat woman now.

Anyway back to this.

People who use this site and get unfairly banned, just want a 'sorry about that', from the mods.

To the idiot who was saying best of luck on the radio, I will not need any luck.

The operation of this site will collapse if people stop using it.
boards.ie would be left with a bunch of mods banning each cause theres no one left to ban, it would get boring after a while, and so is this.

Mods of Boards.ie just say SORRY to your users now and then and we can all shut up.

Right, like that's gonna happen! :rolleyes:
Boards is a privately owned website. They don't really have to let you post here. And if you start acting like an eejit they'll tell you to go away, much like if you walked into a shop and started shouting.

Bob the Builder

SeantheLady wrote: »

For Gordon,
This city has few net spots to chose, i'm in net cafe with fat woman now.

Anyway back to this.

I share this website with people like you and your full of shít but you dont hear me bragging about that.

People who use this site and get unfairly banned, just want a 'sorry about that', from the mods.

Yah, and they want a sorry from the trolls.

To the idiot who was saying best of luck on the radio, I will not need any luck.

You go girl!

The operation of this site will collapse if people stop using it.
boards.ie would be left with a bunch of mods banning each cause theres no one left to ban, it would get boring after a while, and so is this.

Actually, threads like these, when people fight the power, is just brilliant. Mods will agree that banning people "for speaking irish" has to be one of their favourite pasttimes. There's only one thing better than banning people, and thats hearing the people telling joe duffy about how they were banned "for no reason" or "speaking irish"

Mods of Boards.ie just say SORRY to your users now and then and we can all shut up.

Yah, I completely agree.... The admins should apologise to idiots like you and send this site down the gutter.

GA361

nevf wrote: »

Completely deserved.

He would have said that you're a trolling little wanker.

Probably would have shot you, instead of boards just giving you a 2 week petty ban. Now go fúck off.

I am not going to use bad language like you.
Please do some research on Patric Pearse and Michael Collins before you slandarise their names.

Sherifu

SeantheLady wrote: »

Blah.

STFU.

the_syco

SeantheLady wrote: »

The operation of this site will collapse if people stop using it.
boards.ie would be left with a bunch of mods banning each cause theres no one left to ban, it would get boring after a while, and so is this.

Mods of Boards.ie just say SORRY to your users now and then and we can all shut up.

Can't see that happening. Also, most of the people banned deserve it, and the rest were abnned for breaking the rules. Simple as.

GA361 wrote: »

I am not going to use bad language like you.
Please do some research on Patric Pearse and Michael Collins before you slandarise their names.

You don't have the right to use their names for the purpose of trolling.

Bob the Builder

GA361 wrote: »

I am not going to use bad language like you.
Please do some research on Patric Pearse and Michael Collins before you slandarise their names.

You'd want to do some research on what I just said, because I didn't "slandarise" them. I was just telling you what they would say about this.

Gran Hermano

Is maith liom caca milis

GA361

nevf wrote: »

You'd want to do some research on what I just said, because I didn't "slandarise" them. I was just telling you what they would say about this.

Your opinion is wrong though,Pearse was a Gaeilgeoir. . . . People like you disgusted him . . .

nesf

If you want to talk in Irish almost all the time go here: http://www.daltai.com/discus/messages/board-topics.html

Otherwise, accept that the main language used on this site is English. There are two forums where posting in Irish is welcomed and one of them encourages people to only post in Irish.

Irish speakers are catered for here but you have to respect that the average person on here is a monolingual English speaker.

Wibbs

GA361 wrote: »

Michael Collins spoke English in The Treaty negotiations,not Irish. . . So I guess he would understand . . .

Why was that then? Oh right so the majority of those around him would understand him, both Irish and English. Good manners really.

Also.I think that most people are forgetting the key point.

You're so far from the "key point" that you would need the services of the hubble telescope to spot it.

Irish is the first language of this country and as such takes precidence over English.

Really? Look around you. This is not any reflection of the pros and cons of Irish as a method of communication, merely stating the bloody obvious. Though you seem to have trouble with that.

If you choose to discriminate against me because I am proud of my Irish culture,

Jesus. Discrimination? Spoken like a man who has never truly suffered any. Pearse would be laughing at that one.

I accept that.I know how to take my licks like a man.

I hear the sound of a smug chest swelling.

It is not my fault if the OP in that PI thread couldnt understand the first language of this country.

You see it's all about good manners and consideration, not your personal issue(no pun intended). Good manners and consideration. Look em up, in a dictionary, either Irish or english. Do you good.

And again,all my original point was on topic.

Clearly you have a problem understanding the oul Bearla. No one said your original point was off topic.