The Incredible Hulk

rednik

Just been to see this in the Savoy today.I have to say I really enjoyed it. Good balance with the CGI scenes which for me were the big worry after the last attempt.
Edward Norton is very good in the lead and is ably helped by Tim Roth as his nemesis. Liv Tyler is good as the love interest and William Hurt puts in a good effort.
The action scenes are handled very well in daylight, outdoors and indoors. CGI is done very well and overall a very enjoyable film.

CyberGhost

How was it compared to Ironman?

Is CGI still as "plasticy" as in the first Hulk?

Tusky

I thought it was good without being great. Enjoyable blockbuster and I really liked how they opened up the marvel universe...those who have seen it will know what I mean.

I find it really hard to enjoy such in your face CGI. I know that theres no other way you could do a Hulk film but the CGI bothered me. Its done well and it looks good but Hulk always feels like a computer game character or cartoon rather than a genuine character in the film.

I enjoyed Iron Man more but this is definitely better than recent offerings. (Spiderman 3, X-men 3 etc)

johnny_ultimate

Tusky wrote: »

I thought it was good without being great. Enjoyable blockbuster and I really liked how they opened up the marvel universe...those who have seen it will know what I mean.

I find it really hard to enjoy such in your face CGI. I know that theres no other way you could do a Hulk film but the CGI bothered me. Its done well and it looks good but Hulk always feels like a computer game character or cartoon rather than a genuine character in the film.

I enjoyed Iron Man more but this is definitely better than recent offerings. (Spiderman 3, X-men 3 etc)

I agree with you completely. A great nights entertainment, but it is very light and cartoony. No matter how good CGI gets, the Hulk is never going to look realistic compared to the humans on screen, so its a good thing the director just played it as the silly comic book film it is. Cool action and love the Marvel referencing - although they had better live up to some of those crazy hints they make throughout, although perhaps would require a budget of extraordinary amounts. Acting was a bit wooden / annoying though (although I liked Tim Roth - very sinister altogether) which I think knocks it down a notch from Iron Man - Norton isn't as charasmatic as Downey Jr.

A solidly entertaining film that doesn't aim high and probably succeeds because of it, and is certainly not the anti-climax those third installments you mentioned were.

JangoFett

I thought it was absolutely fantastic!!

The really listened to the fans on this one
-The Hulk looks meaner
-More fighting, in fact, hulk actually fighting a proper villain (C'mon Superman, you're next to do this!)
-Marvel Universe references

References to Nick Fury, Shield, Stark Industries, Doc Samson, Captain America, The Avengers and my favourite...the doc who helps Banner and Banner's blood getting into his wound and then his head swelling....THE LEADER!! HAS TO BE! He looks perfect for the role and his head getting all swollen and sh!t!! And cameos from Ferrigno, Stan Lee and even Bill Bixby(who is dead but they were clever) and there's a scene with that famous piano lines from the 70's tv show

I would have liked the Hulk to talk as much as the Abomination did but when he did say those 2 words, I was so happy, they delivered what the fans wanted. Hulk didn't say them in 2003 although did say "Puny Human" which was also cool.

I say this film delivers 100%.

LOVED IT!!

faceman

Im sorry guys but i was for the most part disappointed. I think my expectations were different.

* I thought it dragged in parts.
* At first i thought it was just ang lee, but i cant seem to take to a CGI Hulk.
* Watching Hulk in action just felt like a video game, almost cartoonish. (altho the final action scene is pretty entertaining)
* I dont understand how

Abomination was deafted

* I couldnt sympathise with Banner in the way i did with Bixby in the TV show

It looks like it hinted toward an Avengers film too?

Ironman is the better of the 2 films, altho ive given my comments on that already.

johnny_ultimate

faceman wrote: »

* I dont understand how

Abomination was deafted

Actually yeah. Noticed that myself - seemed really odd.

Just like he gave up, shrugged his shoulders and let Hulk win for some reason or another. Hmm.

zAbbo

Watched it last night and thought it was good, although a few minor things like

the constant proportion change in The Hulk with other people
Abomination giving up in the fight off
the fight off itself, being a little lack lustre
Liv Tyler pawning the necklace, but pulling out a shiny Panasonic Lumix camera...

faceman

zAbbo wrote: »

Watched it last night and thought it was good, although a few minor things like

Liv Tyler pawning the necklace, but pulling out a shiny Panasonic Lumix camera...

lol good point!

Savman

Pointless, useless film tbh. No better than the last one. Not a patch on Iron Man.

I don't get why the have to use the same old rehashed and cliched story lines in these films with the stoopid damsel in distress/superhero love story. Was the same with "MJ" in Spidermand which just ruined the entire series as well as Superman Returns which was more about Clark and Lois than it was the main man himself.

At least the Dark Knight will be back soon to give us some good old fashioned loner heroism and kick some ass without pathetic dames gettin in the way.

Doctor DooM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Actually yeah. Noticed that myself - seemed really odd.

Just like he gave up, shrugged his shoulders and let Hulk win for some reason or another. Hmm.

Hulk gets stronger and stronger due to his rage. Abomination was threatening something he cared about, so his rage grew.

Due to the different nature of their powers, the same is not true of the abomination.

This is not explained in the film though

Doctor DooM

Savman wrote: »

Pointless, useless film tbh. No better than the last one. Not a patch on Iron Man.

I don't get why the have to use the same old rehashed and cliched story lines in these films with the stoopid damsel in distress/superhero love story. Was the same with "MJ" in Spidermand which just ruined the entire series as well as Superman Returns which was more about Clark and Lois than it was the main man himself.

At least the Dark Knight will be back soon to give us some good old fashioned loner heroism and kick some ass without pathetic dames gettin in the way.

Besides the trailer in which the Joker threatens Maggie Gyllenhal?

Hollywood likes its totty too much.

MooseJam

anyone think a human hulk would have been better, you know a big guy painted green like in the tv series

The Artist

MooseJam wrote: »

anyone think a human hulk would have been better, you know a big guy painted green like in the tv series

lou ferringo

Roar

i enjoyed it, nothing spectacular though.

not so much the incredible hulk as the credible hulk..

i'll get my coat

Savman

actually that wasn't bad!:o

Saw it Friday and really enjoyed it. The nods to other characters and expanding the Marvel universe had me giddy as a schoolgirl at times. And that last scene, the perfect set up for what could quite possibly be something really special.

MooseJam

good to hear it's going down well after everybody thinking it was going to be rubbish

CyberGhost

Watched it last night, thought it was an OK movie, thought it was a dragged a bit. I enjoyed the sonic weapons scene, the last fight was "meh" and for the whole movie I just could not believe that Hulk was really mad, he was making faces but he didn't look mad, he didn't look genuinely pissed.

monkeyfudge

I was expecting this to be either really, really bad or possibly very good.

It turned out to be decidedly average.

The script and acting seemed fine and it had a lot more respect for the source material than Ang Lee's version. But the direction felt off, particularly the action scenes.

The Hulk is capable of jumping over a mile... he's not going to sit about having a bit of scrap on a small patch of grass or on top of a tiny building. There was absolutely no imagination in the fight choreography. The final fight with the Abomination might as well have just been two guys having a bit of a wrestle. I'd watched the Superman: Doomsday animated movie the day before... and they knew how to do a battle between two beings of unimaginable super strength with Superman and Doomsday using the city itself as a weapon against each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noedf3JhFYA

I think the old Ang Lee film did a much better job with the Hulk's battle against the military. I also thought the Hulk looked far more solid looking in that film too.

The chase scene in Brazil was well done though.

CyberGhost

monkeyfudge wrote: »

I was expecting this to be either really, really bad or possibly very good.

It turned out to be decidedly average.

The script and acting seemed fine and it had a lot more respect for the source material than Ang Lee's version. But the direction felt off, particularly the action scenes.

The Hulk is capable of jumping over a mile... he's not going to sit about having a bit of scrap on a small patch of grass or on top of a tiny building. There was absolutely no imagination in the fight choreography. The final fight with the Abomination might as well have just been two guys having a bit of a wrestle. I'd watched the Superman: Doomsday animated movie the day before... and they knew how to do a battle between two beings of unimaginable super strength with Superman and Doomsday using the city itself as a weapon against each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noedf3JhFYA

I think the old Ang Lee film did a much better job with the Hulk's battle against the military. I also thought the Hulk looked far more solid looking in that film too.

The chase scene in Brazil was well done though.

wow that was an awesome fight!

monkeyfudge

CyberGhost wrote: »

wow that was an awesome fight!

And that's at the beginning... there's another massive fight at the end.

MooseJam

that was pretty cool all right

FourMasters

This poster mentioned the Marvel Universe references (in the spoiler)

Years ago I used to read Marvel comics but I only "got" the final scene reference. Could a Marvel fan maybe give quick pointers to scenes/characters in the film that are Marvel Universe references, explaining the connections - especially

Captain America and The Avengers

JangoFett wrote: »

I thought it was absolutely fantastic!!

References to Nick Fury, Shield, Stark Industries, Doc Samson, Captain America, The Avengers and my favourite...the doc who helps Banner and Banner's blood getting into his wound and then his head swelling....THE LEADER!! HAS TO BE!

monkeyfudge

FourMasters wrote: »

This poster mentioned the Marvel Universe references (in the spoiler)

Years ago I used to read Marvel comics but I only "got" the final scene reference. Could a Marvel fan maybe give quick pointers to scenes/characters in the film that are Marvel Universe references, explaining the connections - especially

Captain America and The Avengers

Well the super solider formula created in WW2 that was mentioned is the one that created Captain America.

There was also a reference to Nick Fury in the opening credits.

JangoFett

Pretty sure there was a Doc Samson reference...OR Betty's boyfriend was Doc Samson, his scene that was in the trailer was cut from the movie

JangoFett

JangoFett wrote: »

Pretty sure there was a Doc Samson reference...OR Betty's boyfriend was Doc Samson, his scene that was in the trailer was cut from the movie

Ty Burrell played Dr. Samson. He had very little to do in the film though it's obvious from the trailers that he had a bigger part initially. Guess well see more in the Directors Cut DVD. Burrell has said that he "hopes to get his powers in the next film".

I really hope that they bring him back as I've always liked the character and Burrell is an actor whom I've always liked.

JangoFett

Yeah, that was Betty's boyfriend, yeah, had a feeling he should have had more to do

zAbbo

Can someone explain the whole David Bruce Banner thing.

He's called Bruce, but the letter at the end was addressed to David (I think)

Roar

open to correction, but he was called bruce banner in the comics, and david banner in the tv show, so it's a bit of an inj-oke..

monkeyfudge

Apparently they thought Bruce sound too 'gay' so they changed it to David for the TV series.

johnny_ultimate

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Well the super solider formula created in WW2 that was mentioned is the one that created Captain America.

There was also a reference to Nick Fury in the opening credits.

References were flying in the opening credits! Plenty of references to

Stark Industries

prior to the final scene too e.g. computers in the opening montage, the cold container General Ross uses to keep the formula.

Predhead

It was a Hulk movie for the fans. Obviously some people aren't getting it and need things explained to them, therefore just dismissing the movie.
I thought it was excellent, and a brilliant 'first' HULK movie.

I really liked the way

at the end you can see Banner learning to control the Hulk, giving the character a platform to be part of the Avengers

JangoFett

Yeah, Banner seemingly controlling the hulk at the end would lead to an interesting character evolution but he'd still have to be able to just completely lose it as well!!

faceman

Please forgive my ignorance as I have never read any of the comics so maybe im not in tune with real Hulk lore. I dont like the whole

control

element to the Hulk, especially

at the end of the film

one of the appeals to me to the whole Hulk story is the Banner/Hulk conflict. I feel it weakens the appeal of the story when the hero element becomes like most other heroes.

MooseJam

does he say you wouldn't like me when im angry in this

unreggd

Roar wrote: »

open to correction, but he was called bruce banner in the comics, and david banner in the tv show, so it's a bit of an inj-oke..

That, and hes still a fugitive

johnny_ultimate

MooseJam wrote: »

does he say you wouldn't like me when im angry in this

Theres a play on it at one point.

You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry

zAbbo

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Theres a play on it at one point.

You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry

Don't make me hungry. You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry

JangoFett

faceman wrote: »

Please forgive my ignorance as I have never read any of the comics so maybe im not in tune with real Hulk lore. I dont like the whole

control

element to the Hulk, especially

at the end of the film

one of the appeals to me to the whole Hulk story is the Banner/Hulk conflict. I feel it weakens the appeal of the story when the hero element becomes like most other heroes.

Yeah, in the comics he briefly controlled it...kinda, he had all the strength of the hulk but had Banner's consciousness and personality, I think he was dubbed "professor hulk" by the fans or something. But at the end of the day the hulk is a force of nature and if Banner loses his temper, the hulk will gain control, so they could take an angle of Banner and The Hulk fighting each other for the power

I'd like to see Gray Hulk, that'd be one for the fans!!

norrie rugger

SDooM wrote: »

Hulk gets stronger and stronger due to his rage. Abomination was threatening something he cared about, so his rage grew.

Due to the different nature of their powers, the same is not true of the abomination.

This is not explained in the film though

I had to explain that to my better half.

She was wondering how the Hulk was barely holding his own and then managed to strangle Abomination

I also like the new Marvel controlled movies, people do not get clean wounds that barely bleed any more.

norrie rugger

JangoFett wrote: »

I'd like to see Gray Hulk, that'd be one for the fans!!

I fear that would alienate the majority of people who would go to see this.
Remember that most people remember the Hulk from the TV series

Going too far into comic lore would be a hard grasp and not please anyone, fans would say "it's dumbed down for general public" and the general public are already expressing confusion about story tie-ins, in this movie

faceman

Was listening to Mark Kermodes review of this yesterday. he didnt like it but he did kinda sum up his dislike of the CGI of the hulk quite well by calling him Angry Shrek!

oxygen_old

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Apparently they thought Bruce sound too 'gay' so they changed it to David for the TV series.

I dont think monkeyfudge was serious here. Anyways, in the TV show the called him David, cause Bruce Banner was too similar to Bruce Wane.

BatHulkMan! can you imagine. One of the only 3 ways to make batman cooler.

BatHulkMan
BatNinjaMan
BatPirateMan

trishw78

Have to say I did enjoy this I wouldn't have been a big comic reader But I do know most of the names that were mentioned so far. Myself and my friend have been discussing possible sequels. like: possible

Hulk v's Ironman

Hulk v's The Doc

FourMasters

Thanks to all who responded to my request for explanations of the Marvel Universe references. Appreciate it. Don't think I'd go to the cinema again, but I'll get it out on DVD to catch them - and maybe there'll be extras focussing on this aspect.

As for the David/Bruce Banner thing...when the series aired first on this side of the pond, I dimly remember that the word doing the rounds at school for the reason that Bruce was changed to David was that it didn't sound "American" enough for a scientist who was kind of a wimpish geeky anti-hero anyway (when he wasn't turning green of course). But the poster who said it would confuse people with Bruce Wayne may well be right.

JangoFett

Yeah, it was just the network execs, aka dumbasses, thinking Bruce sounded gay

Idiots!!

Jello

Went in with pretty low expectations but must say I was pleasantly surprised. Obviously all the CGI takes a lot away from it, but if you can ignore/accept it, I think you're left with a pretty good film. Still can't get my head around

how the Abomination was defeated though

.

Running Bing

I thought this was appaling.


Tim Roth and William Hurt (two actors which I usually have the utmost respect for) we're awful.

The story plodded along from one underwhelming action scene to another and was completely unengaging.

I felt all the relationships in the film were poorly sketched out, cliched and lacked any sort of depth.

and large parts of the film felt like nothing more than watching someone else play a videogame.


On the plus side, Norton does a decent job and the stuff filmed in Brazil at the start is interesting and worked very well I felt.


Was I expecting too much from this? I dont think so, I think its just got to the point where people expect so little from these "summer blockbusters" which have become nothing more than trite cliched excuses to spend millions and then make even more money back. A few years back Hollywood hit on a winning formual with the likes of Spiderman, Lord of the rings and Pirates of the Caribean (all interesting original films in their own right imo) but unfortunately they have just stuck to the formula religously since then:(

I feel like this every year around mid summer and all I can say is thank god the dark knight is on the horizon to restore my faith in Hollywood...and quite frankly humanity:D

MooseJam

saw this yesterday it was ok, ang lees hulk was bigger and stronger and had better abilities like jumping for miles, he could basically fly this hulk just jumped over walls , i think ang lees hulk would kick his ass , not that I prefered ang lees or anything , i'm just saying

CyberGhost

MooseJam wrote: »

saw this yesterday it was ok, ang lees hulk was bigger and stronger and had better abilities like jumping for miles, he could basically fly this hulk just jumped over walls , i think ang lees hulk would kick his ass , not that I prefered ang lees or anything , i'm just saying

I agree! Lee's Hulk looked genuinely pissed too, I liked his face more.