Steroids in Pro Wrestling

SAPunk

I am just wondering your opinions on if steroids should be used in pro wrestling or not and what do u think about the possible steroid use in WWE.

callaway92

No they shouldnt be used.

JP Liz

I don't think they should be used

rovert

Why lads?

I think you have to use them.

Cactus Col

I voted yes.

But it's not a yes or no question.
Obviously when people abuse steroids that is a bad thing. But people can use steroids properly, as prescribed by a credible doctor, there isn't a problem.

Bubs101

I definitely think they should use them and that the WWE, while not encouraging the usage of steroids, should offer the right support system to those who want to. It's not a sport so I see no reason why not

gimmick

If football players, rugby players, GAA players can do without steroids, why cannot wrestlers? Sure, they may use supplements, but so do alot of non sporty people. Hell, I take a few supplements, and I am only a gym goer.

Vegeta

Why on earth do wrestlers need to use steroids?

Serious question there, I cant see why they'd need them.

chopperbyrne

Of course they should be used in the prescribed doses to help aid recovery from injuries, but they should not be abused to help build muscle mass on an otherwise healthy person.

rovert

Vegeta wrote: »

Why on earth do wrestlers need to use steroids?

What wrestlers got you interested in Wrestling?

gimmick wrote: »

If football players, rugby players, GAA players can do without steroids, why cannot wrestlers?

Wrestling aint a sport.

ShawnRaven

gimmick wrote: »

If football players, rugby players, GAA players can do without steroids, why cannot wrestlers?

Bad comparison there due to the road schedule for a start. Ruggers, soccer players and GAA players don't work anywhere near the amount of dates as WWE guys, TNA, indy and Japan may be comparable though.

VR!

Fozzy

Bubs101 wrote: »

I definitely think they should use them and that the WWE, while not encouraging the usage of steroids, should offer the right support system to those who want to. It's not a sport so I see no reason why not

There's no way that WWE could encourage them anyway, they're illegal without a prescription

Steroids were cited in the death certificates of the British Bulldog and Eddie Guerrero as causes of death. I'm sure there's others that I can't remember off the top of my head. They can be harmful

The only reason that there's so many big bodies in wrestling today is because Vince McMahon likes big bodies

rovert

Fozzy wrote: »

The only reason that there's so many big bodies in wrestling today is because Vince McMahon likes big bodies

And its got nothing to do with a what the public wants? :rolleyes:

slicus ricus

I'm with Rovert on this one; I think it's almost a necessity to be a top WWE superstar. I have no problem as such with steroid use in pro wrestling. What I am against is steroids abuse in wrestling.

When they analysed Benoit's prescriptions, it was found that he was taking ridiculous amounts of steroids - from what I remember, he was taking 3 months supply in just 1 month. That, folks, is steroid abuse!

I don't want to be badmouthing Eddie Guerrero at all, as Eddie to me is a legend and personal hero; but if you look at the sudden progression in his physique in the last couple of years of his life and the chronic back-ne (achne on his back) he had, it shows all the hallmarks of steroid abuse.

One thing that I find astonishing when it comes to the steroid debate in pro wrestling is that only steroids are questioned! Nobody ever seems to look at the use (and abuse) of HGH (Human Growth Hormone), prescription painkillers, recreational drugs, and even alcohol. While steroid abuse will inevitably lead to serious problems, so will abuse of the other drugs I have mentioned. When you look at the statistics, you will find that more ex-WWE superstars have died from the abuse of prescription painkillers than any other drug! Question for the OP - Why aren't you doing a show about the abuse of prescription painkillers?

Now lets look the reasons why steroid use is considered necessary in the world of pro wrestling. It's a known fact that super-human physiques get over in wrestling - it adds believability to the product and essentially differentiates it from other sports and forms of entertainment. Besides, who wants to watch skinny guys doing what is perceived as a 'fake' sport? If you can achieve a super-human physique without the aid of 'the gas', then fair enough, you'll more than likely get pushed and get over (if you have the other tools- charisma, wrestling skills, etc) and be healthier in the long run than you're steroid using colleagues. People are always gonna use 'juice' in wrestling no matter how much they regulate it. The rest will then jump on the bandwagon to avoid falling behind.

There are only 4 WWE guys I can think of that I can confidently say are not on steroids: CM Punk; Edge; HBK; and Jeff Hardy. Of those 4, CM Punk is the one guy who's physique is holding them back in my opinion. Edge, HBK, and Hardy all have exceptional charisma and get over on that - also a side note, both HBK and Hardy have been known to abuse other forms of drugs in the past! I personally don't think Cena uses steroids; from what i've heard about his work ethic, the guy is just a dedicate animal when it comes to his training - However, given the size of him, you can never be certain that he is clean.

As far as I can tell, everyone else (everyone worth talking about - excluding Hacksaw Duggan and the likes) in WWE is on steroids. Why are they not failing wellness policy tests i hear you ask? The answer is that the amount of steroids allowed in your system by the policy is generous to say the least! From what i can recall, its somewhere along the lines of 3 times greater than the olympic testing allows. Also, there are masking agents available that can conceal drugs that are in your system.

A real eye-opener for me was watching RVD doing his impression of warrior. Basically, the guy's body has gone to 'sh*te since he left WWE. A large amount of his muscle mass has basically dissapeared and he looks soft and flabby - worlds apart from the solid-bodied RVD we all remember. Van Dam was one of the guys I would have said didn't use steroids but I guess I would have been wrong cos even if you stopped training completely for a while having never been on roids, you would not get that drastic a change in your physique!

Rant over! Holy sh*t, i really went on a bit there!:D:D

rovert

Great post.
Thing about John Cena saying he doesnt use steriods, is he hasnt never included HGH in his statements on the issue. There is a difference between HGH and roids as you point out above.

Vince135792003

I won't go into the purely medical aspect of this issue because to me, if you need something for a specific medical reason, of course you should take it.

On this issue of taking things like steroids to obtain a certain look, here's what I think. As a 23 year old fan, a guys physique really has no impact on me. If you look moderately athletic and can entertain me, that's all I want.

However, maybe I'm in the minority because I think the WWE has pre-conditioned fans to an extent on what a wrestler should look like.

A friend of mine who just watched wrestling saw Tito Ortiz fight last year and thought he wasn't in great shape (which in my opinion he was very wrong about) because he's grown up watching wrestling and had this picture in his head of what a tough guy should look like e.g. Triple H.

And because of that look WWE often promotes and fans take as a given, wrestlers have tough choices to make.


Just on the "it's not a sport, so why not take them argument", I don't buy that for the simple fact, getting a top spot in wrestling is a competition. And if you are in a competition where you see guys at the top looking a certain way because of what they took or even just awesome genetics, it's a hard competition to win clean even if you have the talent of Eddie Guerrero. So you take some stuff and then when you die of heart failure your wife goes on the companys website you used to work for and explains to everyone how his heart failed and how he worked out in the gym "so hard".

It's a vicious circle and I think everyone has a part in it promoters, wrestlers and fans.

chopperbyrne

To expand on my post.

I'd include all the above mentioned, especially prescription pain pills and HGH.

They should only ever be used when prescribed and in the correct dosage.

You only have to look at the amount of pro wrestling deaths attributed to the abuse of prescription pain pills to see how dangerous they are.

The Welness Policy should be a lot more strict than it is and McMahon should do all he can to inform his talent of the dangers of abuse and keep them clean.

rovert

Vince135792003 wrote: »

A friend of mine who just watched wrestling saw Tito Ortiz fight last year and thought he wasn't in great shape (which in my opinion he was very wrong about) because he's grown up watching wrestling and had this picture in his head of what a tough guy should look like e.g. Triple H.

LOOK AT TITOS HEAD and tell me that the dramatic increase is unlikely a chemical side affect .

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Just on the "it's not a sport, so why not take them argument", I don't buy that for the simple fact, getting a top spot in wrestling is a competition. And if you are in a competition where you see guys at the top looking a certain way because of what they took or even just awesome genetics, it's a hard competition to win clean even if you have the talent of Eddie Guerrero. So you take some stuff and then when you die your wife goes on the company you used to work for and explain to everyone how his heart failed and how he worked out in the gym "so hard".

This makes no sense, please re-write and re-think it maybe.

Vince135792003 wrote: »

It's a vicious circle and I think everyone has a part in it promoters, wrestlers and fans.

Hence why the business will never change.

Vince135792003

Just on roverts first point, I only used Tito as an example for the point I made that my friend has built a perception in his head of what a fighter/wrestler should look like from watching years of WWE and the MMA guys he saw didn't fit that perception.

rovert: This makes no sense, please re-write.

It's the best I can do I'm afraid. It just about made sense to me after I edited it a little. The more I read about issues like this, especially all of last year, the more confused I became.

I guess my point in a line was that in an ideal world guys with immense talent wouldn't need to do or take things that could hurt them in the long run to get to the top of wrestling due to limitations in their physique. It's not an ideal world though.

Vegeta

rovert wrote: »

What wrestlers got you interested in Wrestling?

Well as a kid I liked the Ultimate Warrior, Macho Man Randy Savage and Mr. Perfect. Who may or may not have been on performance enhancing drugs. My interest was lost during secondary school.

To say you "need" steroids to get as big as the guys in wrestling is just wrong. Look at rugby players or even heavyweight UFC guys



He weighs 240lbs I think, that's 17 stone. That's the same weight as Cena I believe. Arlovski is 3 inches taller though

ShawnRaven

slicus ricus wrote: »

Rant over! Holy sh*t, i really went on a bit there!:D:D

You certainly did, and well said. Awesome post.
VR!

Fozzy

rovert wrote: »

And its got nothing to do with a what the public wants? :rolleyes:

You can look back at some of the most popular wrestlers in history and a large proportion of them were not huge because of steroids. Guys like Sammartino, Flair, Rhodes. And if you look at some of the most popular guys in WWE now, they're not huge guys. Jeff Hardy, Mysterio, Punk. You can look at AJ Styles, Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe too, probably the three most popular TNA wrestlers. None of them have a body size that isn't achievable without steroids

I just don't buy into the idea that if every wrestler stopped taking steroids that fans would start to tune out

On the point Vegeta raised about UFC and rugby guys being huge, there are UFC fighters who take steroids who haven't been caught yet. It's naive to think otherwise as there's a simple way to beat the tests as long as you stop taking the stuff at the right time. It's an easy way to get an advantage and there has to be guys doing it. Also, fighters can spend all there time training if they want. Wrestlers are constantly traveling and don't have as much time to train. But they could still have respectable physiques

rovert

Vince135792003 wrote: »

It's the best I can do I'm afraid. It just about made sense to me after I edited it a little. The more I read about issues like this, especially all of last year, the more confused I became.

Fair enough, but at least you could then come up with something better than this:

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Just on the "it's not a sport, so why not take them argument", I don't buy that for the simple fact, getting a top spot in wrestling is a competition

What about competition for promotions in every workplace in every profession? A job in Accounts of example isn’t a sport, poor analogy.

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Just on roverts first point, I only used Tito as an example for the point I made that my friend has built a perception in his head of what a fighter/wrestler should look like from watching years of WWE and the MMA guys he saw didn't fit that perception.

It is an imagine business not a sport, that’s why.

Vince135792003 wrote: »

I guess my point in a line was that in an ideal world guys with immense talent wouldn't need to do or take things that could hurt them in the long run to get to the top of wrestling due to limitations in their physique. It's not an ideal world though.

So would there no bumps in an ideal world as well :rolleyes:

slicus ricus

Vegeta wrote: »

He weighs 240lbs I think, that's 17 stone. That's the same weight as Cena I believe. Arlovski is 3 inches taller though

Can you be certain that Arlovski (or other UFC fighters) isn't on steroids though? If anyone has any info on the UFC's drug testing policy, please post it because i have my doubts when it comes to quite a few UFC fighters!

Look at Tim Silvia - he tested positive and at the time, he would have been the last person you'd suspect on being on juice - he wasn't in great nick at all!

rovert

Fozzy wrote: »

You can look back at some of the most popular wrestlers in history and a large proportion of them were not huge because of steroids. Guys like Sammartino, Flair, Rhodes.

Flair took steriods, Bruno was a legit physical FREAK who came in before steroids came to wrestling in any wide spread way and Dusty Rhodes was the exception to a long standing rule. Look at the guys Dusty Rhodes had his best feuds.

Fozzy wrote: »

And if you look at some of the most popular guys in WWE now, they're not huge guys. Jeff Hardy, Mysterio, Punk. You can look at AJ Styles, Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe too, probably the three most popular TNA wrestlers. None of them have a body size that isn't achievable without steroids .

None are megastars on the level of historical heavy steriod users (Hogan, Warrior etc) Mysterio does take steriods his body is having difficulty coping with bulk on his body, he does have serious heart problems too.

Fozzy wrote: »

I just don't buy into the idea that if every wrestler stopped taking steroids that fans would start to tune out.

Did you watch Wrestling in the mid 1990s?

slicus ricus

Fozzy wrote: »

You can look back at some of the most popular wrestlers in history and a large proportion of them were not huge because of steroids. Guys like Sammartino, Flair, Rhodes. And if you look at some of the most popular guys in WWE now, they're not huge guys. Jeff Hardy, Mysterio, Punk. You can look at AJ Styles, Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe too, probably the three most popular TNA wrestlers. None of them have a body size that isn't achievable without steroids

Flair has admitted to taking steroids, Mysterio was on the signature pharmacy list, Kurt Angle tested positive for steroids in WWE. Rhodes was a fat dude with amazing charisma - his physique probably wouldn't get over today - maybe Joe is the exception to this. Hardy has tested positive twice for recreational drugs, which will probably have the same effect on his health. Stlyes is in awsome shape and i couldn't say for certain that he doesn't use juice by looking at him.

Punk and Sammartino I will give you.

Fozzy

slicus ricus wrote: »

Can you be certain that Arlovski (or other UFC fighters) isn't on steroids though? If anyone has any info on the UFC's drug testing policy, please post it because i have my doubts when it comes to quite a few UFC fighters!

It's not the UFC's policy, it's the athletic commission's policy. They'll test fighters after their fights, so the fighters know exactly when they're going to be tested and they can figure out how long it takes for traces of steroids to leave their system

Nevada's commission is now "randomly" testing fighters during the year though. But it's still not a foolproof system

hunter164

Steroids will really bring you along if you're diet is perfect. So he may be taking steroids but not in great shape because his diet is sh1t.

Vince135792003

rovert wrote: »

Fair enough, but at least you could then come up with something better than this:

I tried to explain my point more clearly and you replied:

So would there no bumps in an ideal world as well :rolleyes:

I thought that response was pretty flippant to be honest. I'm out of this 1 though.

Fozzy

I know Mysterio, Angle, etc. have taken steroids, but that's not my point. With some decent training do you really think that their bodies are unattainable without resorting to steroids?

rovert

Vince135792003 wrote: »

I tried to explain my point more clearly and you replied.

You point wasnt a valid one as Ive already explained!

Vince135792003 wrote: »

I thought that response was pretty flippant to be honest. I'm out of this 1 though.

Well you did write:

Vince135792003 wrote: »

I guess my point in a line was that in an ideal world guys with immense talent wouldn't need to do or take things that could hurt them in the long run to get to the top of wrestling due to limitations in their physique. It's not an ideal world though.

Are bumps included in this line?

rovert

Fozzy wrote: »

I know Mysterio, Angle, etc. have taken steroids, but that's not my point. With some decent training do you really think that their bodies are unattainable without resorting to steroids?

Prove to me it is attainable without first, please.

Fozzy

rovert wrote: »

Prove to me it is attainable without first, please.

Ever spend a long period of time doing regular exercise to build muscle and eat right?

rovert

Fozzy wrote: »

Ever spend a long period of time doing regular exercise to build muscle and eat right?

This hardly evidence here dude. Ever take bumps and carry injuries while doing that and ever needed to maintain that same consistent size for years and years into your 30s, 40s and beyond? All while keeping a heavy travel schedule?

Fozzy

rovert wrote: »

This hardly evidence here dude. Ever take bumps and carry injuries while doing that and ever needed to maintain that same consistent size for years and years into your 30s, 40s and beyond? All while keeping a heavy travel schedule?

Nope, but wrestlers did it before steroids became popular. Many of those wrestlers are still alive, unlike many of the ones who took steroids

rovert

Fozzy wrote: »

Nope, but wrestlers did it before steroids became popular. Many of those wrestlers are still alive, unlike many of the ones who took steroids

Their work style was ALOT easier you can partially thank your boys Mysterio, Angle, etc. for raising that bar. Angle is probably the greatest pain pill abuser ever in Wrestling in a number of peoples opinion.

rovert

Not to mention that there was no merchandise in the pre-Steriods era.

Vegeta

rovert wrote: »

Prove to me it is attainable without first, please.

Look at any rugby player who is 17 stone plus and not fat.

Also Fozzy steroids can be detectable in your system for up to a year so getting the timing right is a risk most pro athletes probably don't take.

rovert

Vegeta wrote: »

Look at any rugby player who is 17 stone plus and not fat.

Sigh:

rovert wrote: »

This hardly evidence here dude. Ever take bumps and carry injuries while doing that and ever needed to maintain that same consistent size for years and years into your 30s, 40s and beyond? All while keeping a heavy travel schedule?

Vegeta wrote: »

Also Fozzy steroids can be detectable in your system for up to a year so getting the timing right is a risk most pro athletes probably don't take.

There are things called cylces and masking agents.

slicus ricus

Vegeta wrote: »

Look at any rugby player who is 17 stone plus and not fat.

There's very few rugby players out there who are 17 stone and as ripped as your average wrestler - i'm not saying it's impossible but it's extremely difficult!! How many rugby players do you know who are as big and ripped as Batista or John Cena?

Also factor in the grueling schedule and the fact that practically every WWE wrestler works hurt most of the time. It ain't gonna be easy to maintain that huge chistled look all year round naturally!

Vegeta wrote: »

Also Fozzy steroids can be detectable in your system for up to a year so getting the timing right is a risk most pro athletes probably don't take.

As Rovert quite rightly pointed out, it is quite easy to beat the testers, particularly when you know when the test is going to take place! I'm hearing far too many athletes saying otherwise in the media as a way of showing that they don't and couldn't do performance enhancers.

hunter164

slicus ricus wrote: »

There's very few rugby players out there who are 17 stone and as ripped as your average wrestler - i'm not saying it's impossible but it's extremely difficult!! How many rugby players do you know who are as big and ripped as Batista or John Cena?

I suggest you look up Andrew Sheridan in google images.


Also Jonah Lomu.

rovert

hunter164 wrote: »

I suggest you look up Andrew Sheridan in google images.


Also Jonah Lomu.

a) Prove to me with certainty that they aren’t on steroids?
b) Does there job depend on having presentable symmetrical body on television with all of there upper body exposed on live TV in High Definition 52 weeks a year, wrestling has no off season unlike rudgy?

mehfesto2

validreasoning! wrote: »

Bad comparison there due to the road schedule for a start. Ruggers, soccer players and GAA players don't work anywhere near the amount of dates as WWE guys, TNA, indy and Japan may be comparable though.

VR!

Wondered about this.

Surely, say, a rugby player works just as hard? I mean they're playing for a place on a team. WWE can get on their 'team', with yes, obviously exercise but also with charisma. They don't really have anyone to compete with for their place once they're established, e.g. HHH. He needs to keep his body 'built', not doesn't really need to train in anything else, really. He knows his way around the ring.

Rugby players train usually 2-3 hours daily during the week (and that's only team practice, not what they do at home/gym) and play and 80 minute match at the weekends at high quality levels. Wrestlers train daily, I'd imagine, and they 'play' once weekly also, but very few matches on their schedule last more than 20minutes. It's an intense 20minutes, but I mean, if you're opponent is 'helping' you, you're quids in. I mean, most chokeslams are helped by the victim. They dont have to physically restrain the victim, just lif and drop.

I'd imagine there's very little difference in it, in all fairness. Which you could argue means that 'roid/HGH abuse is merely for show and not performance enhancement in the slightest. You wouldnt be arsed if a sportstar looked a bit dodgy once they made a positive difference to the game. Wrestlers have preset matches, you can't really play better when it's worked out already. But if they look a bit suspext they're less believeable.

There's a 'need' for 'roids, but only because we expect too much, visually, out of every day people involved in wrestling.

Bubs101

Fozzy wrote: »

There's no way that WWE could encourage them anyway, they're illegal without a prescription

Steroids were cited in the death certificates of the British Bulldog and Eddie Guerrero as causes of death. I'm sure there's others that I can't remember off the top of my head. They can be harmful

The only reason that there's so many big bodies in wrestling today is because Vince McMahon likes big bodies

I didn't know that they were illegal but I think if the WWE helped the wrestlers who wanted to use steroids then most of the deaths would be prevented. They would have medical assistance all the way and would be monitered. I think permitting them would cut down on deaths.

As for big bodies, I know of McMahon's love for them but big bodies also play a huge part in getting smaller guys over. For example, it's far more impressive for someone like Hardy or Kennedy to take out a Big Show, Kane or Snitsky than someone of their own size

hunter164

rovert wrote: »

a) Prove to me with certainty that they aren’t on steroids?
b) Does there job depend on having presentable symmetrical body on television with all of there upper body exposed on live TV in High Definition 52 weeks a year, wrestling has no off season unlike rudgy?

They were randomly drug tested and they're jerseys nowadays are skin tight so in a way they're on show.

Someone asked to see rugby players as muscley as wrestlers so I gave 2 examples.

Bubs101

Vainakolo has the physique of a wreslter as well

hunter164

I just picked the first two that came to mind.

rovert

hunter164 wrote: »

They were randomly drug tested

So are WWE wresters, digbat. It also doesnt answer my question:

rovert wrote: »

a) Prove to me with certainty that they aren’t on steroids?

mehfesto2 wrote: »

Surely, say, a rugby player works just as hard? I mean they're playing for a place on a team. WWE can get on their 'team', with yes, obviously exercise but also with charisma. They don't really have anyone to compete with for their place once they're established, e.g. HHH. He needs to keep his body 'built', not doesn't really need to train in anything else, really. He knows his way around the ring.

Tell me more, fascinating. So wrestler never improves, learns to work around injuries or learn from mistakes? Do you know what a road agents job is?

mehfesto2 wrote: »

Rugby players train usually 2-3 hours daily during the week (and that's only team practice, not what they do at home/gym) and play and 80 minute match at the weekends at high quality levels. Wrestlers train daily, I'd imagine, and they 'play' once weekly also, but very few matches on their schedule last more than 20minutes. It's an intense 20minutes, but I mean, if you're opponent is 'helping' you, you're quids in. I mean, most chokeslams are helped by the victim. They dont have to physically restrain the victim, just lif and drop.

You really do have little clue what wrestlers go though, do do?

mehfesto2 wrote: »

I'd imagine there's very little difference in it, in all fairness. Which you could argue means that 'roid/HGH abuse is merely for show and not performance enhancement in the slightest.

No you couldn’t, see below.

mehfesto2 wrote: »

You wouldnt be arsed if a sportstar looked a bit dodgy once they made a positive difference to the game..

because it is a sport and performance matters soley!

mehfesto2 wrote: »

Wrestlers have preset matches, you can't really play better when it's worked out already. But if they look a bit suspext they're less believeable.

What the **** are you ****ing on about here? So there is no such thing as a good or bad movie because in your words "it's worked out already?" Have you ever heard of the term workrate?

mehfesto2 wrote: »

There's a 'need' for 'roids, but only because we expect too much, visually, out of every day people involved in wrestling.

Wow, you really understand this issue dont you? What about injury rehabilitation, strength, performance and injury prevention?

Again

rovert wrote: »

Ever take bumps and carry injuries while doing that and ever needed to maintain that same consistent size for years and years into your 30s, 40s and beyond? All while keeping a heavy travel schedule?

Handsome Bob

While I am against steroids and the use of illegal painkillers, the problem lies as much as with WWE themselves as it does with the superstars. They semand way too much of those guys and as it was touched on earlier, the schedules are simply insane. You've got guys working all year long, in both televised and non televised shows. They not only travel the length and breadth of the US but also the world each year. You've got guys like Randy Orton who can't get time off to spend time with his newborn child and the only time is given off is when they can't do anymore because they are injured.

Ken Kennedy once said a week off after WM or at the start of January would make the world of difference to a lot of guys. What is the problem with that for christ sake?

rovert

LZ5by5 wrote: »

While I am against steroids and the use of illegal painkillers, the problem lies as much as with WWE themselves as it does with the superstars. They semand way too much of those guys and as it was touched on earlier, the schedules are simply insane. You've got guys working all year long, in both televised and non televised shows. They not only travel the length and breadth of the US but also the world each year. You've got guys like Randy Orton who can't get time off to spend time with his newborn child and the only time is given off is when they can't do anymore because they are injured.

The thing with Orton is he addicted to Wrestling. He was almost suicidical at one point when WWE threatened to take him off the road due to wellness.

One thing that people who for some reason are a rudgy kick dont understand is that wrestlers dont have a powerful to fight their corner nor have many other places to earn a decent living in America or aboard. Not to mention the mainstream media treats wrestling and wrestlers with zero respect or compassion. They no media profile compared to sports stars.

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Ken Kennedy once said a week off after WM or at the start of January would make the world of difference to a lot of guys. What is the problem with that for christ sake?

I really dont know, I wish they did take time because of the standard of televsion since then.

In Japan they run tours of just show footage of the tour during the off season.

AlphaMale 3OO

Cena has done steroids. Only difference between him and anyone who got caught is that he was clever about it. Anyone who has done even minute research on steroids knows that a typical 8 to 12 week cycle of say testosterone and another compound is followed up by post cycle therapy to reboot the production of natural test to aid the retention of any muscle gained on the cycle. Cycling on and off like this and giving the body a break to help it retain the huge gains bit by bit is the correct way of doing it. Most wrestlers who get caught are "on" all year round. This means that when they come off their bodies wither away due to a combination of ignorant methods and lack of post cycle therapy (see Chris Masters). In effect there is no 'cycle' because all they do is take gear all year round. The withdrawal symptoms are self explanatory.

It is as simple as this: Cena probably doesn't do gear anymore (GH is a separate matter). Thats because when he previously used the substance he was clever about it and utilised them to his advantage. He cycled on and off as a well educated trainee should. He let his body adjust bit by bit to the steady increases in muscular size. Now he's clean and that muscle is his forever if he maintains a healthy lifestyle and eats protein like its gone out of fashion.

If you dont believe this consider the fact that the average male's store of testosterone diminishes periodically after puberty (around 18 years of age). Testosterone is the be all and end all of muscle growth. If you want to grow- Lift in your teens. All gains thereafter are negligible (though not impossible!). I watched Cena on Raw last week in "from the vault". He was considerably smaller. Something precipitated dramatic muscle growth and it wasn't Creatine.

On the same note many rugby players are taking steroids. That is why they too are retaining excellent physiques despite an insane workload. IOC testing is so much stricter than WWE. How rugby players are beating this test I will never know as I myself have been tested three times under IOC conditions (all negative). I can only assume designer steroids as GH does not induce large muscle growth.