Paranormal Activity in Ireland (is it real?)

Paulegend

ok guys i welcome both sides.;)


ghost aliens ufos unexplained green stuff on your groceries:) anything paranormal we want here



first off i will say i do believe within reason but.........

the skeptic in me says........
sometimes these stories develop through imagination, be it hallucinating or just simply over active minds. also sometimes its just people with nothing better to do than make up these stories.

the believer says.........
when these false stories are brought to light it just gives the skeptics and the scientists ammo to use on the stories that may be the truth.

ok as i said i welcome everone but i want a clean debate ok, no childish fighting.:D

i want paranormal stories. if the skeptics can bring proof to the table thats great. lets see can we find some stories that cant be proved wrong.

also im from limerick. i wanna know any paranormal stuff you know about limerick. im very interested in seeing for myself. after all seeing is believing. not to sound insane but id like know if we have any ghost bwatchers around ireland. id love to tag along sometime. i bet ye have some stories for our forum.

ok get typing ppl.

and scientists please prove that this is all a load of crap:D

johnsix

Probably the fifth of sixth time this was explained.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof#Science_and_other_uses
Because believers claim these things exist, the onus is on them to provide evidence not the skeptics. As the man says "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

But then again you're not allowed ask for proof in here anyway.

Dave!

Ghosts: no
Aliens: yes
Aliens who have visited earth: no

Oryx

You need an atari jaguar in your poll.:)

Paulegend

The truth is out there and they dont exist

johnsix wrote: »

Probably the fifth of sixth time this was explained.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof#Science_and_other_uses
Because believers claim these things exist, the onus is on them to provide evidence not the skeptics. As the man says "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

But then again you're not allowed ask for proof in here anyway.

ok i need to say a quick reply

number one friend lets be nice. im sensing a negative tone here. im definitly new to the forums so i haven't read everything. besides maybe we will find some new stuff here.

number two it is true that the person making the claim should have the evuidence to back it up but you cant have plausible evidence for such events. any evidence that would be submitted would seem far fetched.

number three prove god exists. there is no evidence of his existence. only faith. blind faith. so the question i ask you mate. is there a difference between believing in god and believing in the paranormal?


but all business aside i do thank you for your input and i did enjoy reading the links. thanks a million. please post again. id like to keep this discussion on going.

Paulegend

The truth is out there and they dont exist

DaveMcG wrote: »

Ghosts: no
Aliens: yes
Aliens who have visited earth: no

you dont think that its possible another life form has visited this planet?
bold accusation but very nice to hear another idea. so i assume you believe Roswell to be a hoax? area 51 to be over active imaginations? little green men doing experiments to cows just an old wives tale?

as for ghosts. why do you think its possible for other life to exist far far away but its not possible for the post life to exist here trapped between reality and the after life?

Oryx wrote: »

You need an atari jaguar in your poll.:)

too funny:D i was only thinking of that earlier. at the moment im not putting it in doh because the poll is about opinions and every1 in the world has an opinion. you cant not have one. or else it would be paranormal:D

Oryx

too funny i was only thinking of that earlier. at the moment im not putting it in doh because the poll is about opinions and every1 in the world has an opinion. you cant not have one. or else it would be paranormal

The ruder version of that is opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has one.:)

Unfortunately my particular opinion is not shown in your poll.

Welcome to the forum though!

???

First of Hi Paul. Welcome to the boards.

Secondly, motion to move this to the Sceptics Corner cause he wants sceptical debate or at least not give out to us when we repond sceptically.

And now to business.

Paulegend wrote: »

you dont think that its possible another life form has visited this planet?

(Sorry for answerwing for you Dave but...) No. Highly unlikely. The distances between M class planets (Sorry!) is ridiculously vast. Space travel would take millions or billions of years to get between them. Faster than light space travel is pretty much impossible. You enter all the fun stuff like time dilation and there's also the problem that you'll hit an object before you've seen it!

[QUOTE}bold accusation but very nice to hear another idea.[/QUOTE]
Mate, I think claiming aliens have visited earth is the bold accusation!!!

so i assume you believe Roswell to be a hoax?

It wan't a hoax. It was a US high altitude balloon that they were testing to use to spy on the soviets. They were not going to issue that in a press release at the time though!
http://skepdic.com/roswell.html

area 51 to be over active imaginations?

It's a flipping Airforce Research base. It's highly guarded and the Airforce never admit anything. All the conspiracies are people either spotting test planes or making **** up!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51

little green men doing experiments to cows just an old wives tale?

I'm sorry, what?

as for ghosts. why do you think its possible for other life to exist far far away but its not possible for the post life to exist here trapped between reality and the after life?

Because statistically it is highly probable that there is extraterestrial life. As for the dead residing on earth? Of course they do. Their bodies don't go anywhere!!! You're mixing hard science with mumbo jumbo their!!!

number one friend lets be nice. im sensing a negative tone here. im definitly new to the forums so i haven't read everything. besides maybe we will find some new stuff here.

Most of the negative tone comes from the medium and distaste for emoticons!
I apolagise in advance if I come accross that way and I'm sure the others don't mean it too.

number two it is true that the person making the claim should have the evuidence to back it up but you cant have plausible evidence for such events. any evidence that would be submitted would seem far fetched.

Farfetched evidence is perfectly acceptable asd long as it's real evidence! If you make an extraordinary claim you need extraordinary proof... (Which we can't ask for). Surely bringing some evidence is better than none.

For example:

I'm a robot controlled by a monkey.
Really can you prove it?
No, it's up to you to prove I'm wrong..

number three prove god exists. there is no evidence of his existence. only faith. blind faith. so the question i ask you mate. is there a difference between believing in god and believing in the paranormal?

I think you'll find most sceptics don't believe God exists either!!! To me there's no distinction between God and the lizard people. Both are utterly ridiculous notions (no offense to people with faith, it's not an attack just my personal oppinion).

Oryx

number one friend lets be nice. im sensing a negative tone here. im definitly new to the forums so i haven't read everything. besides maybe we will find some new stuff here.

Just take your time and find the pace of the place. Were fine. We dont generally bite. If you think someone is being rude or offensive towards you personally, you should report the post (little red and white icon on your left) and a mod will have a look at it.

number two it is true that the person making the claim should have the evuidence to back it up but you cant have plausible evidence for such events. any evidence that would be submitted would seem far fetched.

What kind of far fetched evidence are you talking about?

number three prove god exists. there is no evidence of his existence. only faith. blind faith. so the question i ask you mate. is there a difference between believing in god and believing in the paranormal?

Comparing a matter of faith with a matter you hope to prove factual is not a strong argument.

Paulegend

The truth is out there and they dont exist

hey ??? thanks for the welcome

firstly
i enjoyed reading your reply:D

i dont know how to move this thread to a different place if it really should be somewhere else.

ok to the topic at hand



"No. Highly unlikely. The distances between M class planets (Sorry!) is ridiculously vast. Space travel would take millions or billions of years to get between them. Faster than light space travel is pretty much impossible. You enter all the fun stuff like time dilation and there's also the problem that you'll hit an object before you've seen it!"


ok this is just a quick bit of research but im sure i could go into more detail and find lots of facts if you would like...

this is just technology built up in the last 40 to 50 years. who says that other beings havent been developing technology better than this for hundreds of years. its not beyond imagination that this is possible. Also if this is possible then might it be a small bit possible that they can develope a way of surviving this travel.
(wikipedia - interstellar travel)
Since the 1960s it has been technically possible to build spaceships with nuclear pulse propulsion engines, i.e. ships driven by a series of nuclear explosions. This propulsion system contains the prospect of very high specific impulse (space travel's equivalent of fuel economy) and high speed, and therefore of reaching the nearest star in decades rather than centuries; construction and operational costs per unit of Payload (air and space craft) were expected to be similar to those of ships using chemical rockets.[2]
Proposed interstellar spacecraft using nuclear pulse propulsion include Project Orion and Project Longshot. Using miniature nuclear bombs as fuel, Orion would be able to reach a velocity of 3% of the speed of light. It is one of very few known interstellar spacecraft proposals that could be constructed entirely with today's technology.




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aliens on earth is not an uncommon thought nor is it unrealistic
(from http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_2297.shtml)
Theories suggest the Egyptians built these pyramids, but this asks us how Egyptians hauled 20 ton stones and placed them perfectly Hundreds Of Feet high (145.75 m, 481 ft high).. Some suggest they built a ramp with stones that went from the ground to the top.
The flaw in that theory is that It would take More Rocks to build the ramp than it would to build the Pyramid. When the Pyramid was done, where did these rocks go??? So that shoots down that theory...

i think you know where this extract was going;)
you remember they pictures of the flying saucers hovering over the pyramids? and look at the american dollar bill(im not going into why that is on there because its another story but its not just a random picture that they put there. after all micky mouse aint on they dollar bill and we all love micky mousse:D). its known by the governments that they where here.


Roswell......
come on do you really believe that stuff that is government released?
it wouldnt be the last time the U.S gov release stuff to make people believe what they want(weapons of mass destruction)

this is an extract i took from your link
But the Air Force was not consistent in describing the debris and has suggested that ardent UFOlogists have had a little trouble with their source memory. Perhaps what people are recalling as a single event is actually a mixture of several events that occurred in different years (such as weather balloon and nuclear explosion detection balloon tests, airplane crashes with burned bodies, and dumping of featureless dummies from airplanes)

does this not sound like excuses


Area 51
one of the most secretive places in the world. The base's primary purpose is to support development and testing of experimental aircraft and weapons system
all im asking about area 51 is if im right about aliens landing here then this would be the place that the evidence resides:D it would be hard evidence too.


long before people where abducted there where reports of cows blood being sucked dry in fields where the crop circles where found. maybe this is not real but another case.



ghosts are not mumbo jumbo. alot of celtic folklore deals with the afterlife. i personally think that its real but its just an opinion until i see it for myself. in fact im looking into trying to observe some paranormal sights with a couple of my mates if any1 is interested? but since i hear you cant record these things its ok i just wanna know for the sake of knowing. if i can get evidence that would be great but wouldnt you just like to discover for yourself.



as for me saying that johnsix was being negative i would like to apologise. i hadnt slept much when i was writing back and i dont know what i was thinking.


EVIDENCE ok this is the big one. i dont have any. what so ever. well none from personal experience anyway. but if i produced a rock and said it fell out of they sky and was glowing green when i found it. no1 would believe. its hard to find evidence but i would love to see some.


God and Paranormal are the same thing to skeptics. whats the difference between faith in spirits and faith in other beings. after all some people believe that aliens are "god".



just to be clear. while i do believe. i dont believe whole heartedly. but it just means i wanna find out if its real. i want to keep an open mind.


thanks for joining in and please keep replying

johnsix

Paulegend wrote: »

this is just technology built up in the last 40 to 50 years. who says that other beings havent been developing technology better than this for hundreds of years. its not beyond imagination that this is possible. Also if this is possible then might it be a small bit possible that they can develope a way of surviving this travel.
(wikipedia - interstellar travel)
Since the 1960s it has been technically possible to build spaceships with nuclear pulse propulsion engines, i.e. ships driven by a series of nuclear explosions. This propulsion system contains the prospect of very high specific impulse (space travel's equivalent of fuel economy) and high speed, and therefore of reaching the nearest star in decades rather than centuries; construction and operational costs per unit of Payload (air and space craft) were expected to be similar to those of ships using chemical rockets.[2]
Proposed interstellar spacecraft using nuclear pulse propulsion include Project Orion and Project Longshot. Using miniature nuclear bombs as fuel, Orion would be able to reach a velocity of 3% of the speed of light. It is one of very few known interstellar spacecraft proposals that could be constructed entirely with today's technology.

Even with Nuclear pulse engines (awesome as they are) it would hundreds of years to get to the nearest stars and huge, huge amounts of energy to do it not to mention the cost of just one Orion spacecraft.

Paulegend wrote: »

next
aliens on earth is not an uncommon thought nor is it unrealistic
(from http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_2297.shtml)
Theories suggest the Egyptians built these pyramids, but this asks us how Egyptians hauled 20 ton stones and placed them perfectly Hundreds Of Feet high (145.75 m, 481 ft high).. Some suggest they built a ramp with stones that went from the ground to the top.
The flaw in that theory is that It would take More Rocks to build the ramp than it would to build the Pyramid. When the Pyramid was done, where did these rocks go??? So that shoots down that theory...

i think you know where this extract was going;)
you remember they pictures of the flying saucers hovering over the pyramids? and look at the american dollar bill(im not going into why that is on there because its another story but its not just a random picture that they put there. after all micky mouse aint on they dollar bill and we all love micky mousse:D). its known by the governments that they where here.

Why exactly would "they" put ufos on the dollar bill. I'd love to know, I'll just get my tinfoil hat...;)

Paulegend wrote: »

Roswell......
come on do you really believe that stuff that is government released?
it wouldnt be the last time the U.S gov release stuff to make people believe what they want(weapons of mass destruction)

this is an extract i took from your link
But the Air Force was not consistent in describing the debris and has suggested that ardent UFOlogists have had a little trouble with their source memory. Perhaps what people are recalling as a single event is actually a mixture of several events that occurred in different years (such as weather balloon and nuclear explosion detection balloon tests, airplane crashes with burned bodies, and dumping of featureless dummies from airplanes)

does this not sound like excuses

Again hold on till I get my hat.

Paulegend wrote: »

Area 51
one of the most secretive places in the world. The base's primary purpose is to support development and testing of experimental aircraft and weapons system
all im asking about area 51 is if im right about aliens landing here then this would be the place that the evidence resides:D it would be hard evidence too.

Not really that secretive, everyone knows where it is. If I was trying to hide evidence I do it somewhere else.

Paulegend

The truth is out there and they dont exist

well its a theory


and its pretty hard to hide it considering the fact that area 51 is so big. all they can do is have the cover story.

???

Quick suggestion, would you not mess around with the colours of text, your reply made for painful eyes!!!

Paulegend wrote: »

"No. Highly unlikely. The distances between M class planets (Sorry!) is ridiculously vast. Space travel would take millions or billions of years to get between them. Faster than light space travel is pretty much impossible. You enter all the fun stuff like time dilation and there's also the problem that you'll hit an object before you've seen it!"[/COLOR]


ok this is just a quick bit of research but im sure i could go into more detail and find lots of facts if you would like...

this is just technology built up in the last 40 to 50 years. who says that other beings havent been developing technology better than this for hundreds of years. its not beyond imagination that this is possible. Also if this is possible then might it be a small bit possible that they can develope a way of surviving this travel.
(wikipedia - interstellar travel)
Since the 1960s it has been technically possible to build spaceships with nuclear pulse propulsion engines, i.e. ships driven by a series of nuclear explosions. This propulsion system contains the prospect of very high specific impulse (space travel's equivalent of fuel economy) and high speed, and therefore of reaching the nearest star in decades rather than centuries; construction and operational costs per unit of Payload (air and space craft) were expected to be similar to those of ships using chemical rockets.[2]
Proposed interstellar spacecraft using nuclear pulse propulsion include Project Orion and Project Longshot. Using miniature nuclear bombs as fuel, Orion would be able to reach a velocity of 3% of the speed of light. It is one of very few known interstellar spacecraft proposals that could be constructed entirely with today's technology.

1. The Orion would be grand for relativly short distances however it would need massive amounts of fuel for long distances.
2. Nuclear detonations in the atmosphere may cause problems...
3. Even at 3% SOL it would take 150 years to reach the nearest star. The nearest earth like planet I've heard of is 70 LY away or 2500 years of travel.

aliens on earth is not an uncommon thought

Fallacy!!!! Argument from authority (popularity).

nor is it unrealistic
(from http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_2297.shtml)
Theories suggest the Egyptians built these pyramids, but this asks us how Egyptians hauled 20 ton stones and placed them perfectly Hundreds Of Feet high (145.75 m, 481 ft high).. Some suggest they built a ramp with stones that went from the ground to the top.
The flaw in that theory is that It would take More Rocks to build the ramp than it would to build the Pyramid. When the Pyramid was done, where did these rocks go??? So that shoots down that theory...

Oh Thor. Please no... I really don't know where to start, that was the most ridiculous website I have ever seen. There is absolutely no evidence UFO's have ever ever visited earth, especially not to help build Ancienct Egyptian pyramids!!!

Read this for an overview...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques

i think you know where this extract was going;)
you remember they pictures of the flying saucers hovering over the pyramids? and look at the american dollar bill(im not going into why that is on there because its another story but its not just a random picture that they put there. after all micky mouse aint on they dollar bill and we all love micky mousse:D). its known by the governments that they where here.

It's an eye not a fecking flying saucer!!!

Roswell......
come on do you really believe that stuff that is government released?
it wouldnt be the last time the U.S gov release stuff to make people believe what they want(weapons of mass destruction)

Fallacy!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

And yes you can given that there have been independant assessments.

this is an extract i took from your link
But the Air Force was not consistent in describing the debris and has suggested that ardent UFOlogists have had a little trouble with their source memory. Perhaps what people are recalling as a single event is actually a mixture of several events that occurred in different years (such as weather balloon and nuclear explosion detection balloon tests, airplane crashes with burned bodies, and dumping of featureless dummies from airplanes)

Yeah the multiple events thing thoroughly explains the witness accounts. Listen to: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4079

does this not sound like excuses

That is a form of Ad Homenin.

Area 51
one of the most secretive places in the world. The base's primary purpose is to support development and testing of experimental aircraft and weapons system
all im asking about area 51 is if im right about aliens landing here then this would be the place that the evidence resides:D it would be hard evidence too.

Yeah but it's unlikely you're right!!!!

long before people where abducted there where reports of cows blood being sucked dry in fields where the crop circles where found. maybe this is not real but another case.

References?

Crop Circles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circles#Analysis
http://skepdic.com/cropcirc.html

ghosts are not mumbo jumbo. alot of celtic folklore deals with the afterlife. i personally think that its real but its just an opinion until i see it for myself. in fact im looking into trying to observe some paranormal sights with a couple of my mates if any1 is interested? but since i hear you cant record these things its ok i just wanna know for the sake of knowing. if i can get evidence that would be great but wouldnt you just like to discover for yourself.

Fallacy. Argument from Antiquity, a form of Argument from Authority.



Can I suggest you read the Logical Fallacies thread in the Sceptics corner....

The truth is out there and they dont exist

There is no evidence to prove aliens have visited the earth.

There is also no evidence to prove aliens have not visited the earth.

However there is evidence that there are Alien's . When we go to the moon. We are aliens. Not only that but the second space mission to the moon, astronaughts were shocked to discover an earth bacteria that had lived in one of the clocks on some machinery from the last mission.

Many people from NASA including Astronaughts have admitted that there is life out there. Most recent was Buzz Alderon who 2 years ago admitted that somthing flew along side the shuttle for their mission. This object also landed when they did. (this can be currently seen on Sky+)

If there are no such things as aliens, why does the US fire department's have a protocal incase of an alien craft crashing ?

Ahh there is just too much to go through and i couldnt be arsed


??? are you a skeptic or are you a non believer ?

Skeptics atleast except the possability .

???

There is no evidence to prove aliens have visited the earth.

There is also no evidence to prove aliens have not visited the earth.

It is up to the proponents to prove aliens did visit Earth, there's no evidence Russell's Teapot doesn't exist. The burden of proof is on the people to prove aliens have visited earth. You can never prove a negative.

Many people from NASA including Astronaughts have admitted that there is life out there. Most recent was Buzz Alderon who 2 years ago admitted that somthing flew along side the shuttle for their mission. This object also landed when they did. (this can be currently seen on Sky+)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin#The_UFO_and_Apollo_hoax_allegations

If there are no such things as aliens, why does the US fire department's have a protocal incase of an alien craft crashing ?

Because during the UFO boom of the 70's there was pressure on them to have a protocol. Just because there is one it doesn't mean aliens exist, it means public pressure exists.

The arguments fallacious but I'm not sure exactly what one it falls under. Non Sequiter or maybe confusing correlation with causation.

??? are you a skeptic or are you a non believer ?

Skeptics atleast except the possability .

I'm a sceptic. I'm tottally open to the idea of aliens having visited earth but I will not even consider it until someone presents real evidence (which I'm not allowed ask for). In this day and age photographs and videos are so easilly faked that they are no longer valid evidence for alien landings, it has to be phyisical evidence... but that's all locked up in Area 51.

6th

Yes, to both. I believe

??? wrote: »

I will not even consider it until someone presents real evidence (which I'm not allowed ask for).

You wont consider the possibility without evidence?

???

I will not consider the possibility that aliens have visited earth, faffed around and left, without evidence. The idea is counter to all the research I have done on the possibility.

If evidence is presented I'll consider it and if it is so amazing then I would instantly switch views and say that there is solid evidence to believe aliens have visited earth.

I should clarify that I will not consider believing it but am more than happy to debate evidence and the like, even if it is links to silly websites.

Oryx

??? wrote: »

(which I'm not allowed ask for).

Repeatedly saying that sounds churlish. The wording of the charter is demanding proof, demanding indicating a forceful attitude. Particularly in this thread, asking the poster for further information on statements made might get you somewhere. Open to mod clarification.

For the record, I agree with you completely. Until I visit a museum of alien artefacts I too doubt ET has ever called here. But a discussion of positive and negative attitudes is still valid, and interesting, because in the absence of evidence, we dont know.

6th

Yes, to both. I believe

??? wrote: »

The idea is counter to all the research I have done on the possibility.

Research? Cool! Can I see some of it and your findings? Ufology is not my usual area of interest but would love to see your work.

Stoner

The truth is out there and they dont exist

??? wrote: »

You can never prove a negative.

.

Are you sure about that? surely that in itself in not completely conclusive? and the negative is then by its very nature unproven.

Point taken on the where the burden of proof falls though, but IMO that does not mean that the other side of the equation is definite.

???

6th wrote: »

Research? Cool! Can I see some of it and your findings? Ufology is not my usual area of interest but would love to see your work.

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm? I am once again reffering to reading up on it rather than field research.

6th

Yes, to both. I believe

??? wrote: »

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm? I am once again reffering to reading up on it rather than field research.

No sarcasm at all I assure you. Its just not common to get posters who claim to have done research. I'm begining to worry that the word research gets bandied around to easily. Still you are hardly at fault seeing as improper terminology is used on both sides of the fence.

6th

Yes, to both. I believe

Stoner wrote: »

Are you sure about that? surely that in itself in not completely conclusive? and the negative is then by its very nature unproven.

Point taken on the where the burden of proof falls though, but IMO that does not mean that the other side of the equation is definite.

I read this a while ago:

A principle of logic is that you cannot "prove a negative." Skeptics and scientists often concede this point when debating things ranging from the existence of aliens to the existence of God.

But, isnt the Law of Non-Contradiction (a real, actual law of logic) a negative?? This law states that a statement cannot be both true and not true. Nothing is both true and false. Since this law can be proved (it can be formally derived from an empty set using provably valid rules of inference) this means that one of the laws of logic IS a provable negative... So, this in turns means that we have just proven that it is NOT the case that one of the laws of logic is "you cannot prove a negative." So, thats two negatives we have just proved...right??

Confused yet?? (I am...) "You cannot prove a negative" is a negative statement - so, if you can prove it is true, then it wouldn't be true, right???

I went and had a cup of tea.

???

All I have to say to that is:

"Anyone who denies the law of non-contradiction should be beaten and burned until he admits that to be beaten is not the same as not to be beaten, and to be burned is not the same as not to be burned."

The truth is out there and they dont exist

2 things .........

Buzz Aldrin has said that there was somthing following the shuttle. He didnt want to cause a hooohaaa by announcing it over the radio. Again there was protocal about that.


Then he says it was just a piece of the shuttle that followed him .

You choose to believe the latter ?



The second thing is, you mentioned that if a piece of evidence was presented to you , you would consider it.

Why dont you look for yourself ?

johnsix

Deleted User wrote: »

2 things .........

Buzz Aldrin has said that there was somthing following the shuttle. He didnt want to cause a hooohaaa by announcing it over the radio. Again there was protocal about that.


Then he says it was just a piece of the shuttle that followed him .

You choose to believe the latter ?

Actually both those statements where from the same interview. One was edited out.
Also if you look at the flight of the Apollo's you see that alot of the used up stages follow the command module most of the way to the moon.
The part he says he thinks it was was a part that covered the lander and would have been ejected after the trans-lunar injection which means it would have followed them to the moon.

johnsix

The truth is out there and they dont exist

johnsix wrote: »

Actually both those statements where from the same interview. One was edited out.
Also if you look at the flight of the Apollo's you see that alot of the used up stages follow the command module most of the way to the moon.
The part he says he thinks it was was a part that covered the lander and would have been ejected after the trans-lunar injection which means it would have followed them to the moon.

really ?

i will have to take a look at that. I think there are also 3 different interviews that he did were he admitted this. One of them was in a sunday paper about 15 years ago. I must look it up .

Not on Wiki :P

MooseJam

don't think it's real personally, vivid imaginations account for a lot

Ghost Girl

See the title of this discussion!! Aren't ghosts and aliens, two very different things??

WEST

Just Ghosts and other unexplained creatures

I saw the Paranormal forum in the front page of boards and had to have a look. TBH I never thought poeple over the age of 12 believed in ghosts. Just shaking my head in wonder at some of the threads in this forum.
Anyway back to the poll, I guess if we exist it is possible for life to exist on other planets and based on the fact that billions of plants could\do exist in the universe I'll say yes to Aliens. Dont think any visited earth tho.

Oh yea I dont think ghosts exist.

???

Psychic prediction: Ban coming along!

Oryx

??? wrote: »

Psychic prediction: Ban coming along!

For WEST, I doubt it. He hasnt actually insulted anyone. But taking threads like this off topic will likely get you and me infracted or banned!

And WEST, lots of people over the age of 12 believe in or at least accept the possibility of ghosts, spirits, and all manner of other supernatural things.

The truth is out there and they dont exist

Getting back on topic , i am begining to think that Ireland isnt the hot bed of activity that everybody thinks.

You hear all the storys people tell you how great the places are. You go and nothing happens .

paddybar

Deleted User wrote: »

Getting back on topic , i am begining to think that Ireland isnt the hot bed of activity that everybody thinks.

You hear all the storys people tell you how great the places are. You go and nothing happens .

sticking to the topic,my answer has to be a resounding no.The reason nothing happens is because they dont exist.like previous posters the possibility of life on other planets is actually high but do they visit earth?extremely unlikely,as for ghosts no chance.

MooseJam

Sorry to have to inform you but there's no such thing as ghosts, or any paranormal activity for that matter

DenMan

Of course ghosts exist, they are trapped. Either they chose to remain here or something is preventing them from leaving. History is full of paranormal activity and it would be wrong for people to just dismiss it out of hand. We live in one world but there are many others out there. Just my 2c!!

SkepticOne

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Getting back on topic , i am begining to think that Ireland isnt the hot bed of activity that everybody thinks.

You hear all the storys people tell you how great the places are. You go and nothing happens .

So would you expect it to be different in other countries or do you think Ireland is strange in this regard?

Ghost Girl

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Getting back on topic , i am begining to think that Ireland isnt the hot bed of activity that everybody thinks.

You hear all the storys people tell you how great the places are. You go and nothing happens .

Ah sure the Irish just love a good auld story, especially rural ireland when it comes to paranormal / ghosts etc....Or else all the paddy's are slightly insane.

iamhunted

MooseJam wrote: »

Sorry to have to inform you but there's no such thing as ghosts, or any paranormal activity for that matter

I'd really prefer some proof on that - though at the same time what exactly is a 'ghost' anyway? that word is used to describe various paranormal activities so some 'ghosts' may exist and others probably dont.

MooseJam

you can't prove a negative, the requirement for proof is all upon the believers and there is not a shred after hundreds and hundreds of years

iamhunted

see thats where i get lost.

How can you say ghosts are a negative when we cant prove if they exist or not? Surely to say its a negative you must have some proof that they dont exist? Plus when you say 'not a shred' thats not paraticularly true as theres many claimed reports of paranormal activity (wither they are or not is a completely different story). You make it sound like no-one has ever put up any info that might be even considered genuine.

MooseJam

saying prove they don't exist is a negative - don't is a negative, I for example could say prove I don't have an invisible elephant in my house, you would be hard pressed to prove I don't, but that doesn't make it likely does it, if I say I have an invisible elephant it should be up to me to prove it, likewise it should be up to people who say ghosts exist to prove that also.

iamhunted

and going by the same logic, if I said I had a real elephant at home i would be telling the truth? I wouldnt have to prove it though if you wanted to believe me you'd have to go and find out for yourself.

SAying something doesnt exist doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Imagine if scientists had thought like that in the past - there'd never be any theories.

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iamhunted wrote: »

and going by the same logic, if I said I had a real elephant at home i would be telling the truth?[.QUOTE]

Non sequiter? Nonsensical?

I wouldnt have to prove it though if you wanted to believe me you'd have to go and find out for yourself.

Eh... yes you would. If you wanted to be taken seriously.

SAying something doesnt exist doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Imagine if scientists had thought like that in the past - there'd never be any theories.

Sigh... Fallacys. Strawman and false premise. We didn't say that. It is however a valid point which I agree with.

However, theories don't magically pop out of the air like pixies. They are based on observations. So there would still be every theory!

iamhunted

theres no way I will sit here and declare that the paranormal defintely really exists ... i cant say that as I dont know if that sthe case. On the other hand, I dont have anything that completely explains whats known as the paranormal either, so i cant say for defintely really that it doesnt exist either.

There's only one way to get out of that and thats to try and find out. It could take centuries before theres a breakthrough in either direction, but thats why a lot of people are involved in paranormal research - not necessarily because they think every noise is a ghost. same goes for those who are cynical (rather than sceptical) about the parnanormal in that they're as unhelpful to the whole process as the orb huggers.

Zarbon

I wonder are any of the "naw wayz" posters religious. Hmm...

"I don't believe in this, therefore it's obviously not real."

*Rides away on his high horse*

iamhunted

*crashes into low bridge*

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Dunno about the others but I'm an atheist!!! God has to prove himself to me before I'll believe!!!

stevenmu

From what I've seen many of the sceptics here post religiously on the Atheism & Agnosticism forum as well.


(sorry, couldn't resist the pun )

Ghost Girl

I see people there throwing ghosts and the paranormal into the one category...two different things from what I understand (regardless of whether you believe or not!)