Proof God Exists

???

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/

I'm gonna assume this corner is entirely sceptical and not just of paranormal... Even so it's an interesting example of highly flawed logic.

It's a sort of quiz thingy. It accused me of finding childmolestation okay because I don't think Laws of Morality are imuteable!!! Also what the hell is it on about that laws of physics and mathematics are immaterial!!!

raah!

The laws of mathematics are certainly not material things. They are pure reason. But I guess you could argue that thoughts are arrangements of neurons and electric impulses which are...... well actually I don't know if you'd call that material, but it's physical anyway.

But then again, the laws of mathematics are not "thoughts" persay because they have always existed. Then they are fully immaterial. They're not really physical either.

Should have thought abit before that big ramble. I was just excited about finding proof that god exists (joke, I didn't really even read it all i just kept clicking)

???

A lot of the laws of mathematics are entirely material. All geometry, trigonometry, huge amounts of calculus. Even the basics of one apple plus one apple equels two apples is material.

raah!

1+1 = 2 regardless of any external jig jog. The laws of geometry are derived theoretically, perhaps based on observation. But take for example...... two parallel lines never meet. This is purely theoretical, or for example, The definition of a circle, like "all points on a circle are an equal distance from the centre" since perfect circles do not exist in reality this makes this an immaterial law

And even if they were based purely on observation that wouldn't make them "material"

1. The substance or substances out of which a thing is or can be made. 2. Something, such as an idea or information, that is to be refined and made or incorporated into a finished effort: material for a comedy. 3. materials Tools or apparatus for the performance of a given task: writing materials. 4. Yard goods or cloth. 5. A person who is qualified or suited for a position or activity: The members of the board felt that she was vice-presidential material.

As you can see it doesn't fit in here, and the material of number 2 doesn't really apply here (this is from smarterchild)

Irishjack32

I have given this a lot of thought and, surprise, surprise I am no further than most. However here are some things to think about:-

1. If a young person is very sick and gets better, people saw it was the power of prayer. If the die, people say that God only takes the best….but we all die in the end.
2. Prayer is defined by Dawkins as requesting an invisible being to change the laws of physics, chance or nature in your favor.
3. Remember the saying “there but for the grace of God go I” but if God is all powerful why did he **** on the other person?

???

Or from dictionary.com:

9. relating to, concerned with, or involving matter

The fundamental principles of mathematics are 'related to', 'concerned with' or 'involve matter'. Yes there's theoretical aspects of it as there is to all sciences.

And anyway, this is an utterly pointless argument of the meaning of a single phrase.

gman2k

Had a look at that site. What a load of sh!te.

masterwriter

??? wrote: »

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/

I'm gonna assume this corner is entirely sceptical and not just of paranormal... Even so it's an interesting example of highly flawed logic.

It's a sort of quiz thingy. It accused me of finding childmolestation okay because I don't think Laws of Morality are imuteable!!! Also what the hell is it on about that laws of physics and mathematics are immaterial!!!

The search for god is like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat thats not there

hiorta

"The search for god is like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat thats not there "

Master writer, does that presuppose that the god being sought is a material being?

masterwriter

hiorta wrote: »

"The search for god is like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat thats not there "

Master writer, does that presuppose that the god being sought is a material being?

I read it in Ludovic Kennedy's All In The Mind a farewell to God. It does not really presuppose anything to me I thought it was funny:D thats all

???

hiorta wrote: »

"The search for god is like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat thats not there "

Master writer, does that presuppose that the god being sought is a material being?

But surely God must be a material being if he influences the world?