Re-entries: Fair or Not?

fish slapped

Sorry lads bit of a tangent here but does anyone think re-entries are a bit of a cop out, like its how you shoot under pressure and to try over and over again is a bit of a cop out.?? yes - no ?? worth a poll??

Sparks

Depends on the context and how re-entries are counted really fish. If it was a selection match and re-entries counted as though they were original entries, I'd lean towards yes unless something dire had happened to the shooter on the day (like a rifle breaking) but even there many rulesets (like the ISSF rules) have leeway to handle that sort of thing.

If, on the other hand, it's a club shoot and re-entries are just shot for score and not for place, well, what harm?

Those would probably be the tail ends of the bell curve - the real answer I suspect, lies in the middle somewheres...

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It's just I've seen fella's shoot early in the detail to set a standard and wait till the last minute to re enter the thy know what they have to beat and exactly what the conditions are. I just feel it's a thing that very open to abuse especialy when their shooting for place.

Sparks

Well, if you could re-enter to shoot for place like that, that's not something I'd agree with unless it was just a fun shoot or the like; I know I've never seen it done for place in an open match. (I've seen it done - and done it myself - when shooting for a particular score, but that's not really the same thing).
I don't think this is really an RRPC problem though so I'm going to spin this off into a new thread...

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Sparks wrote: »

Well, if you could re-enter to shoot for place like that, that's not something I'd agree with unless it was just a fun shoot or the like; I know I've never seen it done for place in an open match. (I've seen it done - and done it myself - when shooting for a particular score, but that's not really the same thing).
I don't think this is really an RRPC problem though so I'm going to spin this off into a new thread...

No sparks don't get me wrong I'm not saying anything about RRPC nor am I mentioning any other club, & thank you for re-posting this post so as to avoid any crossed wires. but I still view re-entries as a cop out , I think you have one chance to shoot and one only. on any given day you squeeze the trigger and the end result is the end result, if a shoot out is needed then its a shoot out . any one agree or not?

foxshooter243

As i dont target shoot formally with a rifle simply cos theres not much interest in rifleshooting in my area i couldnt comment on target rifle competitions, however the same question has always crept up in clay pigeon competitions, with some shooters re entering over and over and in essence "buying" the trophys, it depends on each situation.
shoots where the emphasis is on raising funds its encouraged and shoots where the score will be used to determine team places etc its first score to count. this was not always the case and when introduced it made some changes that didnt go down to well, especially amongst the shooters who could afford to enter a competition 7 or 8 times.
i would be interested to hear how other clubs stand on this one, although
ive heard the the system for choosing the county gun club team has been changed this year.

Bananaman

In my view it depends on the reson for the shoot in the first place.

If it is for team selection, qualification for a further event, a trophy or some such I would be inclined to only allow one entry or have only the first entry count. No point stopping people shooting over and over if the schedule allows for it - provided they are not being allowed to "buy" the result as was said.

I was at the shoot this weekend in Harbour House. I entered three times, as did many people. Basically, I was there for the day, I had a bag of ammo so I said, as long as there was room in the detail I would shoot again until my ammo ran out.

In that sort of instance it makes sense as we were all just there for a bit'o'craic and a days shooting.

Some forms of competition, e.g. IPSC, do not lend themselves to the concept as they are formal competitions so you get one bite at the cherry.

Same thing shooting clays. I find I am always better on the second run so if it's a bit'o'craci between the lads I'll go again, if I can, but if we are scoring for a competition then you get the one bite and that's it.

B'Man

foxshooter243

yeah i think the same if its for competition -one run- for fun shoot your fill.:D

I do it sometimes - my first match will be my proper match, but I will then shoot again in the afternoon to mess about with things I noticed in the match. Scores from the second match don't count so whats the harm?

jwshooter

Deleted User wrote: »

I do it sometimes - my first match will be my proper match, but I will then shoot again in the afternoon to mess about with things I noticed in the match. Scores from the second match don't count so whats the harm?

i shoot national ,interantional and flapper shoots the top shooters will all most always come out on top if a shooter has to shoot 7 or 8 times to get into a shoot off they will still be taken apart in the shoot off .

jwshooter

jwshooter wrote: »

i shoot national ,interantional and flapper shoots the top shooters will all most always come out on top if a shooter has to shoot 7 or 8 times to get into a shoot off they will still be taken apart in the shoot off .

What's your point?

I don't get a lot of time on good ranges, I shoot my match and if there are spaces in the afternoon I will shoot again for training purposes. Doesn't matter if I shoot 600 the second time, score doesn't count.

It wasn't me!

I'd agree. Neither of my usual ranges is 50m outdoors, so any chance to shoot and practise on an outdoor range has to be embraced completely. Only the original score will count, but it's still something that's good to do for training purposes. You can have had time to think about stuff that may have gone wrong earlier and then you can actually get down, check it out, and make notes on it that'll help you the next time.

On the other hand, re-entries for the purposes of having another shot at the competition, unless something went horribly wrong for you earlier, I don't really agree with. If you messed everything up, yeah, perhaps, but otherwise, it's for training purposes.

jwshooter

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What's your point?

I don't get a lot of time on good ranges, I shoot my match and if there are spaces in the afternoon I will shoot again for training purposes. Doesn't matter if I shoot 600 the second time, score doesn't count.

point is the top shooters will come out on top ,the re entry is a good way for a club to make a few bucks ,most of the competions i shoot are single entry but shooting a re entry is good fun and i enjoy them

jwshooter

jwshooter wrote: »

point is the top shooters will come out on top ,the re entry is a good way for a club to make a few bucks ,most of the competions i shoot are single entry but shooting a re entry is good fun and i enjoy them

I don't think you get my point - I shoot reentries for training purposes.

I was shooting in Denwood for the first time and I shot three times that day, I won my class, came third and hammered some Scottish Internationals but still went back and shot again that day to try and cap on things I had picked up.

Reason being was that I have little time on a 50m range and especially as nice a one as Denwood. I learned a lot that day as well as picking up some nice silverware.

Was then invited to the 'polomint challenege' and had a great day/

rrpc

Seeing as this is where it started, I'll throw my tuppence ha'penny worth in.

We run a benchrest pistol event with re-entries allowed up to a maximum of three. The re-entries run on a sliding handicap scale of 2 points per re-entry.

So far, no re-entry has beaten a first entry. I'm sure that could change, but it's interesting to see that peoples scores go down when they have a target to match or beat.

Normally it wouldn't be allowed for serious competition, but it's fine for a club shoot or a bit of competition.

jwshooter

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I don't think you get my point - I shoot reentries for training purposes.

I was shooting in Denwood for the first time and I shot three times that day, I won my class, came third and hammered some Scottish Internationals but still went back and shot again that day to try and cap on things I had picked up.

Reason being was that I have little time on a 50m range and especially as nice a one as Denwood. I learned a lot that day as well as picking up some nice silverware.

Was then invited to the 'polomint challenege' and had a great day/

good stuff ,