100+ Roma arrested in shoplifter clampdown

DonJose

Almost all of the shoplifters arrested in a recent Garda clampdown on theft in Dublin city centre were Roma, according to a senior Garda source.

Of 124 shoplifters arrested in the north inner-city area during a one-week period, four were Irish and 120 were foreign nationals, almost all of whom were Roma. The Garda source said that groups of young Romanians were being brought over from Britain for short periods and were involved in pick-pocketing and ‘‘distraction theft’’ at ATMs.

He said the problem was so serious that the Romanian authorities had sent a police officer to Ireland to liaise with gardai. Last week, 13 Romanians, aged from 16 to 30, were charged with theft, after a Garda operation to catch thieves who targeted people at ATMs.....

http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=IRELAND-qqqm=news-qqqid=33365-qqqx=1.asp

biko

A life of crime is not all it's cracked up to be.

uberwolf

More conspicuous than the local scum I suppose, but these lads have been working the lines heading into various nightclubs as well.

Sherifu

Good work.

joeybloggs

Operation Hawkeye ftw

Gordon

You've got to pick a pocket or two, boys.

Firetrap

Can we not deport these scum anymore? We've enough home-grown scangers as it is

Xavi6

*Awaits inevitable defence from PC brigade*

ParkRunner

Firetrap wrote: »

Can we not deport these scum anymore? We've enough home-grown scangers as it is

They are EU citizens now. Removal orders are the only way

Pompey Magnus

Xavi6 wrote: »

*Awaits inevitable defence from PC brigade*

Same here. I'm waiting for someone to bring out the old argument that ATM distraction thefts are an urban legend invented by racists.

jjbrien

Xavi6 wrote: »

*Awaits inevitable defence from PC brigade*

thats terribly racist: only kidding these people would not know a hard days work if it came up a bit them in the ass. I was horrified ysterday when I seen a roma woman selling the big issue with a big issue id card as well. these people are not homless most have big houses back in rominia and they give normal deccent romanians a bad name. she shouldn ot have been selling the big tissue that is supposed to help real homeless people off the street

BigglesMcGee

Xavi6 wrote: »

*Awaits inevitable defence from PC brigade*

I dont think you'll see them in this thread. Unless they're just accusing people of being racist. But there is no defence to the title of this thread at all.

Those Roma were just looking fo a free flight home. They'll be back with the rest next week.

Stercus Accidit

Sorry, were they roma or romanians?

The article seems to interchange the two terms.

jjbrien

BigglesMcGee wrote: »

Those Roma were just looking fo a free flight home. They'll be back with the rest next week.

i think the goverment should pressure the eu to be allowed ban the people it has sent back for a period of at least 3 years. so they cant just get off the aircraft in rominia and get back on another the next day

BoB_BoT

Are those big issue id badges ever checked? Because i've seen quite a few around Athlone, and the id's all look different from the one guy who has been selling it for years. Either a lot bigger, photo in the wrong place, obvious photocopy with a picture stuck over it. So who's giving them the magazines?

KTRIC

Why is it most people seem to have a problem differentiating Roma and Romanians ??

Which is it ??

Stercus Accidit

KTRIC wrote: »

Why is it most people seem to have a problem differentiating Roma and Romanians ??

Which is it ??

Its dem brown face foriners, who cares what they call them these days, export them all!

Dudess

Name of ethnic group: Roma/Roma gypsies
Country: a number of them, including but not limited to Romania. Also other Eastern European countries/former Soviet states and into Eurasia.

The first lot to come over were predominantly from Romania, plus Roma obviously sounds a lot like Romania, therefore confusion was easy. However, Romanian people are started to get mightily pissed off.

*awaits inevitable "wonder where the PC crowd are" comment*...

Xavi6 wrote: »

*Awaits inevitable defence from PC brigade*

Aw Xavi, of all the potential posters, I never thought it would be you...

BoB_BoT

Well there's a comparison here, we have Travellers, who are Irish. And we have the Irish people. It's more or less the same with Romas and Romanians.

Dudess

Yeah, but if a bunch of Irish travellers were causing sh1t over in London and everyone was moaning about those "bloody Irish" then I, as an Irish person, would feel a bit miffed. It would imply that they're representative of all Irish people.

And while many Roma originate from Romania (it seems to have the biggest population) they come from several other countries - not just in Europe but around the world.

Xavi6

Dudess wrote: »

Aw Xavi, of all the potential posters, I never thought it would be you...

Ah come on now there's always so clown who will try defend the indefenseable to be fair.

innisfree

Motosam wrote: »

Sorry, were they roma or romanians?

The article seems to interchange the two terms.

You can be both. The majority of Roma in Ireland appear to be Romanian nationals (this is my impression from when any Roma is arrested and their nationality appears in the paper). That said, it is sloppy the way the paper switches between the two terms without clarification and may well be a mistake.

As for the Roma lady selling the big issue. Maybe she was homeless? I've been to various cities in Romania and have never seen any indication of Roma families having large houses. Quite the opposite. They're usually relegated to flats in the suburbs which house nobody else but Roma. Some also have tiny houses that would be barely categorised above shanty towns. I've found the attitudes to t he Roma in these cities were the same as those that Dublin people have here and find them a nuisance.

I'm glad the gardai are stepping in and making arrests. The petty crime and kids begging is getting out of hand.

Dudess

Xavi6 wrote: »

Ah come on now there's always so clown who will try defend the indefenseable to be fair.

Oh I know, but I was expecting that comment to come from the usual folks (don't think I need to name them, well I can't anyway) so I was just surprised. Not saying you're wrong though.

Xavi6

Dudess wrote: »

Oh I know, but I was expecting that comment to come from the usual folks (don't think I need to name them, well I can't anyway) so I was just surprised. Not saying you're wrong though.

Ah ok. Just getting in before the lock usuals.

innisfree

BoB_BoT wrote: »

Well there's a comparison here, we have Travellers, who are Irish. And we have the Irish people. It's more or less the same with Romas and Romanians.

I think I've a bit more to learn about this one but I don't believe it's quite the same.

If travellers originated from somewhere further away (let's pretend Iceland), emigrated in huge amounts a long time ago, found themselves settling in Ireland mostly for a long time without much acceptance from the local community and then, on mass emigration again, showed that they were Irish nationals by birth if questioned, I guess they'd be similar.

I think the suggestion that they never started in Romania and that the Romanian's never widely accepted them as being Romanian is a big difference to the Irish travelling community. They just happened to have produced a lot of generations in Romania and share a similar name.

AckwelFoley

I had a roma guy come up begging to me outside Keoghs in Dublin there on friday night.

I could smell him first, but when he stood in front of me with more gold teeth than flava flav i simply smiled.

I see alot of them all over dublin, sitting around and begging...

Anyone ever see a chineese man begging in Ireland?

FX Meister

jjbrien wrote: »

Never mind the irish travellors there as no way as troublesome as the romas.

The Roma's aren't the ones killing oaps in the country while robbing them. FACT

Dudess

jjbrien wrote: »

I would descibe the roma gypsies as human rats. They give 0 to society as a whole. they do nothing to be productive at least the ones that leave rominia and come to the rest of the eu to beg or commit crime. If they came over and worked I would not have a problem with them I would say live and let live but I dont see them doing this. i used to be a manager of a fast food chain I was desperate for staff the comany still is if they had come in and asked for a job I would have happly given one to them but they never did they came in and begged and harissed the cutomers and staf instead.

The danger is that ALL Roma will get tarred with that brush though. We don't know whether ALL Roma are criminals. I see a Roma woman selling papers at a roundabout every evening - so she's working and good on her.

Guy:Incognito

FX Meister wrote: »

The Roma's aren't the ones killing oaps in the country while robbing them. FACT

Arent the oaps killing them? (justifyably)

mikemac

jjbrien wrote: »

Never mind the irish travellors there as no way as troublesome as the romas. What I am about to say I know the pc brigade is going to do a number on me.

Wow, not so sure about that.
One group is involved in petty crime and the other terrorises rural farmers and is involved in murderous feuds between families.

Which is which jjbrien?

That isn't a PC statement, it's the truth

FX Meister

snyper wrote: »

Anyone ever see a chineese man begging in Ireland?

I have, and he was eating a twix at the time.

Guy:Incognito

Either way, can I refer you all back to my post, no 27. It would be an equal oppertunities death squad. All you need to qualify is to be a criminal scumbag, race isnt important.

BigglesMcGee

Stekelly wrote: »

Either way, can I refer you all back to my post, no 27. It would be an equal oppertunities death squad. All you need to qualify is to be a criminal scumbag, race isnt important.

Why not just build a coluseum where that new prison is to be build? We could have 24 hour wipeout tv too. Might as well get some entertainment out of them all.

Guy:Incognito

BigglesMcGee wrote: »

Why not just build a coluseum where that new prison is to be build? We could have 24 hour wipeout tv too. Might as well get some entertainment out of them all.

Now your useing your head.

Remeber the thread a while back asking how many 8 year olds people reckoned they could take in a fight? We could have themed fights. A (criminal) Pikeyu against 10 (criminal) Roma.

Elessar

The greatest trajedy here is that they will all be released on bail and then disappear over seas, only to return a few months later and do it all over again!

Irish law ftw!

jjbrien

micmclo wrote: »

Wow, not so sure about that.
One group is involved in petty crime and the other terrorises rural farmers and is involved in murderous feuds between families.

Which is which jjbrien?

That isn't a PC statement, it's the truth

i know a few irish travellors who are decent honest people they are just misunderstood. they drive taxis and work in a chineese takeaway taking orders for the chineese people they are decent travellors before i met them i was ignorant as the rest of us in thier ways.

the romas just seem to beg and want to be made a charity case like the m50 roundabout fiasco.

Dudess

But not all of them. As with travellers.

Dinter

Dudess wrote: »

But not all of them. As with travellers.

But what proportion of a population have to be convicted scumbags before they can be all tarred with the same brush?

Just like what proportion of men have to be bad drivers to justify higher insurance costs than women? Not all men are. I've never had so much as a scrape.

C'mon it's pretty obvious the vast majority of Roma are over here to steal what they can.

They're making their own bed and creating the self same prejudices that they'll blame for forcing them into a life of crime.

"Oh I have to send my 12 year old child out to rob because nobody will give me a job because I'm a Roma".

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Xavi6 wrote: »

*Awaits inevitable defence from PC brigade*

to echo an earlier poster - i don't think you'll see them in this thread.

although i wish people wouldn't confuse the roma and romanians. It's like people calling us gypsies because of the antics of Irish gypsies abroad.

Pompey Magnus

FX Meister wrote: »

I have, and he was eating a twix at the time.

Was he old?

mikemac

jjbrien wrote: »

i know a few irish travellors who are decent honest people they are just misunderstood. they drive taxis and work in a chineese takeaway taking orders for the chineese people they are decent travellors before i met them i was ignorant as the rest of us in thier ways.

the romas just seem to beg and want to be made a charity case like the m50 roundabout fiasco.

Don't doubt it for a second. There is a halting site outside Nenagh, Co. Tipperary and the community there never cause trouble, ever! They have one pub they always drink in and they don't visit other pubs. It seems to work well and the only travellor groups that cause trouble are the ones who pass through the area. It's not the local group and most people can see that.

I wasn't try to contradict you, sorry if it came across like that. I was commenting more on the types of crimes. Violent versus petty. But of course, both are equally unacceptable

Umaro

You're never too old for a Twix.

Adam

Dinter wrote: »

But what proportion of a population have to be convicted scumbags before they can be all tarred with the same brush?

Just like what proportion of men have to be bad drivers to justify higher insurance costs than women? Not all men are. I've never had so much as a scrape.

C'mon it's pretty obvious the vast majority of Roma are over here to steal what they can.

They're making their own bed and creating the self same prejudices that they'll blame for forcing them into a life of crime.

"Oh I have to send my 12 year old child out to rob because nobody will give me a job because I'm a Roma".

Hurrah! Now kick them out of the country with the means to prevent them returning!

Dinter

Mirror wrote: »

Hurrah! Now kick them out of the country with the means to prevent them returning!

Exactly.

Forehead branding ftw.

Sir Molle

Dudess wrote: »

The danger is that ALL Roma will get tarred with that brush though. We don't know whether ALL Roma are criminals. I see a Roma woman selling papers at a roundabout every evening - so she's working and good on her.

She probably lives on that roundabout.

Pompey Magnus

Umaro wrote: »

You're never too old for a Twix.

Sorry but you are wrong there, have you ever seen an old fella eating a twix? I certainly haven't.

cotwold

DonJose wrote: »

Almost all of the shoplifters arrested in a recent Garda clampdown on theft in Dublin city centre were Roma, according to a senior Garda source.

Of 124 shoplifters arrested in the north inner-city area during a one-week period, four were Irish and 120 were foreign nationals, almost all of whom were Roma. The Garda source said that groups of young Romanians were being brought over from Britain for short periods and were involved in pick-pocketing and ‘‘distraction theft’’ at ATMs.

He said the problem was so serious that the Romanian authorities had sent a police officer to Ireland to liaise with gardai. Last week, 13 Romanians, aged from 16 to 30, were charged with theft, after a Garda operation to catch thieves who targeted people at ATMs.....

http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=IRELAND-qqqm=news-qqqid=33365-qqqx=1.asp

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It's about time they cracked down, so many of my frineds have been robbed by romas in the past 18 months. I used to love that Dublin was one of the few European capitals you didnt have to watch your pockets constitantly but the romas remedied that.

johnnyskeleton

There's nothing wrong with a bit of ordinary decent crime, I wouldn't be deporting people for pickpocketing or shoplifting.

jjbrien

with people like pavee point supporting the roma no wonder why they want to come here and start a crime syndicate

http://www.romasupport.ie/

why try to encourage them to come here we dont want them no nation in europe wants the mbut pavee point encourages them to come here i cry why?

utick

DonJose wrote: »

Almost all of the shoplifters arrested in a recent Garda clampdown on theft in Dublin city centre were Roma, according to a senior Garda source.

Of 124 shoplifters arrested in the north inner-city area during a one-week period, four were Irish and 120 were foreign nationals
http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=IRELAND-qqqm=news-qqqid=33365-qqqx=1.asp

only four irish people in dublin in a week arrested of shoplifiting? that doesnt sound right, i would guarentee there are hell of a lot more than 4 shoplifters by irish people on any given week in dublin, maybe they are just better at no getting caught

Oswald Osbourne

I used to have a thing against the Roma ever since I saw that movie "Glengarry Glen Ross". It portrays them as devious, foul-mouthed conmen with leathery weathered brown skin and an ability to feign innocence at the drop of a hat if they think it will get them out of a fix.

I'm glad I now realise that nothing could be further from the truth.