Galway Nazis

Fey!

I see that Galway resident anti-semetics have been moved from outside Lynchs Castle to outside Taafes, where their "Boycott Israeli Blood Diamonds" signs and flags are now higher and bigger.

Whilst I personally don't have a view on the whole Israeli/Palestinian situation (mainly due to my own ill informed ignorance), I don't see why this guy is allowed take over a section of the city street, making us all look like nazis.

Isn't his stand borderline "incitement to hatred"?

Or am I just being stupid?

cornbb

I wouldn't say that anti-Israel/pro-Palestine protests are necessarily anti Semetic as such. Galway Nazis is a bit strong a phrase to use. Do they have any sort of Nazi flags or propoganda, or is it just the usual stop-killing-Palestinian-children stuff.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Anti Isreali government policy is not anti jewish, no more than calling for Bertie Ahern to resign is to be anti catholic.

Fey!

So how does the "blood diamond" thing fit into government policy, when their trade is private companies and citizens? Is that not targeting the individual rather than the government? The reason I refer to it the way I do is because "Israeli", to me, denotes the people, wheras "Israel" denotes the government.

As for the term "blood diamond", it refers to the use of proceeds from diamond mining in several African countries being used to fund conflict, in some cases genocide. In other words, they sell the diamonds to buy weapons and power. They are also refered to as "conflict diamonds", but the use of the word blood has become the more popular thanks to Hollywood. Also, the term refers to stones from the early to mid 1990s onward, and are under international imbargo; it's illegal to trade in diamonds from these countries. As far as I am aware, Israel doesn't mine diamonds, although Tel Aviv is a trading centre. Most people of Jewish origin in the diamond trade can be found in the likes of Antwerp, London, and New York; none of the countries these are in mine diamonds either.

ronnie3585

Those fu*ckers really make me sick. Standing on Shop St waving the Palestinian flag acting like they're pseudo martyrs. If they aren't moaning about the Palestine issue, its troops landing in Shannon or the fact the Brian Cowen isn't drinking 'fair trade' coffee with his breakfast. Underneath it all these people are attention seekers, it's about time they got real jobs and contributed something to society.

tristanc

Always good when Godwin's Law is invoked at the very start of the thread.

ZorbaTehZ

Er what? Nazis? That's a bit of a crazy connection you've made there.

Sherifu

E for Effort OP.

Zzippy

You having a laugh OP?
Highlighting human rights violations by a government makes you a Nazi now? Or because that government happens to run a Jewish state, that makes him a Nazi?

I wonder about people sometimes...

Sponge Bob

Zzippy wrote: »

You having a laugh OP?
Highlighting human rights violations by a government makes you a Nazi now?

Fey believes that a nazi is a person who complains about industrial scale human rights violations where the victims are mainly arabs and also seemingly black africans ...seeming as the arabs produce feck all diamonds .

Otherwise he evidently would not have started this thread.

He will have his 'final solution' to shop st for us next week , this is only an outline suggestion/rant sort of thread :cool:

m83

9/10 rantage OP

john concannon

The preacher outside Zhivagos wouldn't be involvedwould he?If not I would like to see the Anti-Semetics-v- Preacher Dude in a discussion during the Arts Festival

Mr Maroon

I'm not sure that they're Nazis but they are a pain in the arse and I don't see what gives them the right to cover the street with their flags and ****.

awhir

i beta they dont shop at tesco those dam jew haters

sandybee

Yes, they're always on about antoglobalisation etc and yet the ringleader detta mcloughlin worked in Boots for many years. Obviously Boots are not a form of globalisation. The same English or Northern or American-accented crew are always on about issues that are not of our making but others. If they're so worried, let them fight the cause in their own countires.:eek:

Sponge Bob

sandybee wrote: »

The same English or Northern or American-accented crew are always on about issues that are not of our making but others. If they're so worried, let them fight the cause in their own countires.:eek:

Like fckin which bit of "global" do you not understand ??:cool:

Steyr

I hate those twats supporting Palestine and yacking on, what about Israel and the daily missile bombardments it endures from Palestine, it works both ways but im on Israels side, i find it amazing that the Palestinians still attack Israel considering Israel controls what goes into Palestine look at the fuel as an example and so many people want to wipe out the Jewish state for what?? Iran springs to mind.

biko

Fey! wrote: »

I see that Galway resident anti-semetics have been moved from outside Lynchs Castle to outside Taafes, where their "Boycott Israeli Blood Diamonds" signs and flags are now higher and bigger.

Whilst I personally don't have a view on the whole Israeli/Palestinian situation (mainly due to my own ill informed ignorance), I don't see why this guy is allowed take over a section of the city street, making us all look like nazis.

Isn't his stand borderline "incitement to hatred"?

Or am I just being stupid?

I would say you come off as quite pro-Jewish and anti-Arab. But maybe that's just me.
Perhaps you should read up on the conflict more?

Steyr, you too

ZorbaTehZ

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

pfft, you can use facts to prove anything.

israel ftw!

PixelTrawler

Fey! wrote: »

I see that Galway resident anti-semetics have been moved from outside Lynchs Castle to outside Taafes, where their "Boycott Israeli Blood Diamonds" signs and flags are now higher and bigger.

Whilst I personally don't have a view on the whole Israeli/Palestinian situation (mainly due to my own ill informed ignorance), I don't see why this guy is allowed take over a section of the city street, making us all look like nazis.

Isn't his stand borderline "incitement to hatred"?

Or am I just being stupid?

To answer the last bit, yes. Thats a pretty crazy rant. You contradict yourself in two sentences - it seems you have some pretty strong views

Its unusual to hear the standard response from an Irish person that any oppostion to israeli government policy is somehow against the jewish religion, that they are somehow anti-semetic - I dont ever remember hearing them protest once against the jewish religion - or any religion. And that they are nazis - please! Thats insane.

Someone already made the analogy that opposition to the FF led goverment in this country would somehow be anti-catholic - equally nuts.

I've met some really nice people from Israel and dont give a rats ass what religion a person is but the israeli government is a truely dreadful one.

And steyr - get a grip - when did Iran state it wanted to wipe out the jewish state - it has certainly stated it wanted to see an end to the zionist government which is akin to the fall of the soviet union. Of course the US media twisted the bejesus out of that one. Sure lets all fire in wild accusations and big statements. This thread isnt even about the Iranians.

By the way how can you state it works both ways yet your on one particular side. If you see it as wrong on one side - why dont you see it wrong on the other?

ronnie3585

Solyad wrote: »

And steyr - get a grip - when did Iran state it wanted to wipe out the jewish state - it has certainly stated it wanted to see an end to the zionist government which is akin to the fall of the soviet union.

On the 25th October 2005 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Israel must be "wiped off the map" and that attacks by Palestinians would destroy it.

Ahmadinejad was speaking to an audience of about 4,000 students at a program called "The World Without Zionism," in preparation for an annual anti-Israel demonstration on the last Friday of the holy month of Ramadan.

5times

ZorbaTehZ wrote: »

It doesn't matter about anything else except that the score is not 0 on both sides. To pick sides in this matter is just adding fuel to the fire and ridiculous from people not involved in the conflict.

PixelTrawler

ronnie3585 wrote: »

On the 25th October 2005 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Israel must be "wiped off the map" and that attacks by Palestinians would destroy it.

Ahmadinejad was speaking to an audience of about 4,000 students at a program called "The World Without Zionism," in preparation for an annual anti-Israel demonstration on the last Friday of the holy month of Ramadan.

This is is not correct. It was widely reported as correct but the direct translation is different. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm

Take 5 minutes to read the first half of that article with an open mind - the second half refers to holocaust statements and is even further removed from this thread.

In particular read the translations from the NY Times and also Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), located in Washington:

There is confusion over the direct translation

"Whereas the 'New York Times' said: "Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map" the version by MEMRI is: "Imam [Khomeini] said: This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history."

Whether the term map was used or not - both transations refer to the regime and not the country.

Fey!

Admittedly, Nazi was a bit harsh in my opening post; I do find that stand, however, to be exceptionally anti-jew. Personally, I feel that any group which wishes to denounce a people should not be allowed do it with a huge stand in the middle of a main shopping street, be it anti-Jew, anti-Arab, anti-American, anti-eastern european, or, indeed, anti Irish.

biko wrote: »

I would say you come off as quite pro-Jewish and anti-Arab. But maybe that's just me.
Perhaps you should read up on the conflict more?

Firstly, I would regard myself either as particularly pro Jew OR anti Arab; my OP was aimed (obviously badly) at the people running the stand, NOT its target or the poeple they claim to represent.

But you are quite correct in saying that I should read up on the conflict more.

@Tristan; Godwins Law?

Steyr

Solyad wrote: »

This is is not correct. It was widely reported as correct but the direct translation is different.
Whether the term map was used or not - both transations refer to the regime and not the country.

See here please : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4384264.stm If some nation said they wanted to wipe Ireland off the map it would mean the Island of Ireland and that would be everything on it.

Steyr

biko wrote: »

I would say you come off as quite pro-Jewish and anti-Arab. But maybe that's just me.
Perhaps you should read up on the conflict more?

Steyr, you too

In a perfect world they would all get along but that is not the way it works in this world, Israel have every right to defend themselves.

Zzippy

Steyr wrote: »

In a perfect world they would all get along but that is not the way it works in this world, Israel have every right to defend themselves.

Ah get a grip, does the right to defend yourself include the right to intern people without trial, bulldoze innocent civilian's houses, shoot children, seize land from civilians without compensation, etc etc? Because that is what Israel does in the name of defending itself. You really think they have the right to do that?

Yes, some Palestinians attack Israel with rockets, its about the only weapon they have. Attacks are in response to 60 years of oppression and brutality carried out by a state that is well-funded, well-armed, and brutally vindictive. Reprisals by Israel for rocket attacks are hugely disproportionate and target civilians. That's not defending your country, that's violating human rights. But I suppose thats ok with you...

Fey!

Zzippy wrote: »

Ah get a grip, does the right to defend yourself include the right to intern people without trial, bulldoze innocent civilian's houses, shoot children, seize land from civilians without compensation, etc etc? Because that is what Israel does in the name of defending itself. You really think they have the right to do that?

Isn't there a western world nation state who does the same thing under the guise of fighting terrorism? Why doesn't the guy on Shop Street add them to his campaign?

vulcan57

Quite agree that they should not be allowed to cover so much of a prominent area of shop street with all the flags etc. Campaigning for human rights of a people that have a group that are total callous murdering terrorists. They strap themselves with explosives and various form of shrapnel and target totally innocent members of the public going about their daily routine by blowing themselves up killing and maming men women and children. It is no wonder that Israel have to take such measures, if the same was happening in Ireland I would hope the government here would do the same as the Israelis. Stop the terrorism and then none of these sanctions would be there. I would love to see some one beat them to their pitch one day with a giant Israeli flag and campaign for the human rights of the poor Israeli innocents that are being brutally massacred by these murdering thugs.

ScumLord

Does Israel even have anything worth boycotting? I can't say I've ever seen the tag "made in Israel" on anything.

As for the conflict neither side is innocent, it takes two to tango as they say.

Stky10

ScumLord wrote: »

As for the conflict neither side is innocent, it takes two to tango as they say.

Yes, but one side gets over 3 billion dollars of funding a year from the US government, even though they're quite a wealthy nation, plus plenty of the latest military equipment. The other side is using the 21st century equivalent of a pee-shooter.

Nobody is allowed to criticise Israel though... that automatically makes them anti-semitic. Lets ban the right to peaceful protest as well its what some of you are saying.

Zzippy

vulcan57 wrote: »

It is no wonder that Israel have to take such measures, if the same was happening in Ireland I would hope the government here would do the same as the Israelis.

Black and Tans anyone? Happened in Ireland less than a century ago. I suppose the British government were within their rights to take such measures...

cronndiesel

vulcan57 wrote: »

Quite agree that they should not be allowed to cover so much of a prominent area of shop street with all the flags etc. Campaigning for human rights of a people that have a group that are total callous murdering terrorists. They strap themselves with explosives and various form of shrapnel and target totally innocent members of the public going about their daily routine by blowing themselves up killing and maming men women and children. It is no wonder that Israel have to take such measures, if the same was happening in Ireland I would hope the government here would do the same as the Israelis. Stop the terrorism and then none of these sanctions would be there. I would love to see some one beat them to their pitch one day with a giant Israeli flag and campaign for the human rights of the poor Israeli innocents that are being brutally massacred by these murdering thugs.

we re great over a conflict thats 1000s of miles away that doesnt concern us because we re afraid of our sh**te to do anything about the thousands of loyalist terrorists in the north
what was done about:

dublin/monaghan bombings the single largest atrosity with largest loss of life of the troubles

the cavan bombings

the shooting dead of assistant editor martin o hagan (shoot 9 times in the back while protecting his girlfriend) not 12 months after the good friday agreement

the planting of devices in sligo town (est death toll if succeded- 400-1050 civilians) and on the sligo-dublin train line which could have killed 140+ people (long before madrid) through the 90s

but of course who were those young teenagers sure they were only from cavan but if they were from dublin/london we d never hear the end of it

wheres the concern and flags and lobbying about them

when shin fein said they had nothing to do with ira it wasnt accepted but when uup and others claim the same their believed and so loyalists dont have to disband and decommision because ''its accepted that they have no links to the political partys involved''

is not a terrorist army a terrorist army??? -its a joke at this stage- ''when is a terroist army not a terrorist army...when its a loyalist terrorist army:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:''
what right have we to wag the finger at them down there thousands of miles a way- fightin over sand, when we re not able to do anything about our own situation- guards and army going over to uk for instruction and the same uk stone walling the bloody sunday and dublin bombing inquiry:rolleyes: we re a stupid shower of gobsh**es

the isreali/palestinians must have a pain in their holes laughin at us

Sherifu

Fey! wrote: »

Godwins Law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

vulcan57

Zzippy wrote: »

Black and Tans anyone? Happened in Ireland less than a century ago. I suppose the British government were within their rights to take such measures...

The Black and Tans were evil murdering thugs as well, quite agree with you. The difference being that they were an internal problem as Ireland was still a part of the UK at that stage.

5times

vulcan57 wrote: »

The Black and Tans were evil murdering thugs as well, quite agree with you. The difference being that they were an internal problem as Ireland was still a part of the UK at that stage.

What you mean as in the way Palestine is part of Israel at this stage?

5times

cronndiesel wrote: »

we re great over a conflict thats 1000s of miles away that doesnt concern us because we re afraid of our sh**te to do anything about the thousands of loyalist terrorists in the north
what was done about:

dublin/monaghan bombings the single largest atrosity with largest loss of life of the troubles

the cavan bombings

the shooting dead of assistant editor martin o hagan (shoot 9 times in the back while protecting his girlfriend) not 12 months after the good friday agreement

the planting of devices in sligo town (est death toll if succeded- 400-1050 civilians) and on the sligo-dublin train line which could have killed 140+ people (long before madrid) through the 90s

but of course who were those young teenagers sure they were only from cavan but if they were from dublin/london we d never hear the end of it

wheres the concern and flags and lobbying about them

when shin fein said they had nothing to do with ira it wasnt accepted but when uup and others claim the same their believed and so loyalists dont have to disband and decommision because ''its accepted that they have no links to the political partys involved''

is not a terrorist army a terrorist army??? -its a joke at this stage- ''when is a terroist army not a terrorist army...when its a loyalist terrorist army:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:''
what right have we to wag the finger at them down there thousands of miles a way- fightin over sand, when we re not able to do anything about our own situation- guards and army going over to uk for instruction and the same uk stone walling the bloody sunday and dublin bombing inquiry:rolleyes: we re a stupid shower of gobsh**es

the isreali/palestinians must have a pain in their holes laughin at us

You make out like there were no Republican terrorists doing the same things.

Bass Cadet

Fey! wrote: »

Or am I just being stupid?

No, just ignorant. A very similar conflict was happening in your own country less than 10 years ago, in fact some say it's still going on

You're thread title is a f@cking disgrace by the way

ronnie3585

Bass Cadet wrote: »

You're thread title is a f@cking disgrace by the way

Frankie says 'relax'.

Webbs

Bass Cadet wrote: »

No, just ignorant. A very similar conflict was happening in your own country less than 10 years ago, in fact some say it's still going on

You're thread title is a f@cking disgrace by the way

Couldn't agree with you more Bass Cadet.
Israel regimes have a long history of human rights abuses and the UN has on many many occasions censured Israel

'No country has been censured more often either by the General Assembly or by the Security Council. Indeed, frequently the only thing that stood between Israel and still more condemnation was the United States.' NATO Review 2005

Israel has until recently or still continues to occupy the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, as it has done for over 30 years, in violation of international law. It occupied Lebanon illegally for more than two decades. It allowed, in the person of its Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, the slaughter of refugees at the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps, home to homeless Palestinians, one in a list of many massacres that bear Sharon's name.
The IDF, the Israeli army, has killed hundreds of civilians often for the offense of throwing stones. Israel's heavy-handed response has been censured by the UN, and condemned by the International Red Cross and Amnesty International, the latter of which accuses Israel of actions that border on war crimes. And despite the censure, Israel has escalated its violent response to uprisings, meting out collective punishment, carrying out extrajudicial assassinations, razing Palestinian dwellings to the ground, and refusing to allow international observers in occupied territories it has no right to be in.

Bass Cadet

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Frankie says 'relax'.

Well, branding people as 'Nazis' out of pure ignorance is a 'f**king disgrace'

biko

Read up on Mordechai Vanunu.

Israeli former nuclear technician who revealed details of Israel's nuclear weapons program to the British press in 1986. He was subsequently kidnapped in Rome by Israeli agents and smuggled to Israel, where he was tried and convicted of treason.

He then spent 18 years in prison, including more than 11 years in solitary confinement (which I think is a "world record"). All this for telling international press Israel had WMD when they wanted this to be a secret.

More on Israels WMD here.

The whole Israel - Apartheid SA nuclear help program
According to a report published in the Israeli daily paper Ha'aretz on Sunday April 20, 1997. Israel assisted South Africa in developing nuclear weapons in the early 1980s. The paper based its report on interviews with South African officials, including Deputy Foreign Minister Aziz Pahad, and retired Gen. Constand Viljoen, who was South African chief of staff from 1980-1985, the period during which nuclear weapon development took place.

Btw, if anyone wonders - I spent 9 months in Israel. Love the country, hate the politics.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Bass Cadet wrote: »

Well, branding people as 'Nazis' out of pure ignorance is a 'f**king disgrace'

It also completely diminishes the term. As if the worst things the Nazis did were to get people to sign petitions and boycott a foreign countries goods.

It blurs boundrys and muddies waters. Hmmm if being a Nazi is basically just standing at the side of the road collecting signatures then perhaps the Nazis weren't so bad is the logical conclusion.

Bandying about the term 'Nazi' is the first step on the dispicable road to holocaust denial.

Be very careful with the language you use.

Redhairedguy

Cracking Documentary for those of you interested in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Occupation 101 looks at life and history from the perspective of the Palestinians. It remains as objective as possible and was a bit of an eye opener for someone who is completely oblivious to the crap going on in Israel/Palestine.

Definitely worth a watch!

vulcan57

5times wrote: »

What you mean as in the way Palestine is part of Israel at this stage?

Palestine isn't part of Israel at this time. Hamas and their partners in crime are crossing boarders into a different country to murder innocent people, actually targeting them by the way. The Black and Tans were a british force carrying out horrendous acts on British territory, unlike the Israeli, Palestinian problem.

Bass Cadet

vulcan57 wrote: »

Palestine isn't part of Israel at this time. Hamas and their partners in crime are crossing boarders into a different country to murder innocent people, actually targeting them by the way. The Black and Tans were a british force carrying out horrendous acts on British territory, unlike the Israeli, Palestinian problem.

wow, did you even do history in school? Try reading some books from time to time. The Black and Tans were a bunch of mercenaries and the fact that you call it 'British territory' speaks volumes. Anyway, there has been plenty more attrocities since the Tans were battered out of our country...you ever heard of the 'B Specials'? The events in the north of Ireland over the last 30 years have resounding similarities to the Israel - Palestine conflict...basically as a result of occupation of land by a foreign army

For anyone who wants to know what really goes on in the Palestine - Isreal conflict read anything on the subject by Robert Fisk. Forget any of the bullsh!t you might see in rags like the Irish Indepenent

PopeBuckfastXVI

I can recommend Noam Chomsky as a source of info too.

cronndiesel

5times wrote: »

You make out like there were no Republican terrorists doing the same things.

everybody knows there was it was all over the media all the time but when was the last time there was the same amount of unquestioned unrelenting focus on loyalists especialy since 1998 with them allowed not to disband or decommission every dog on the street can parrot the same old headlines about the usual suspects but the way the activetys of loyalist terrorists is never reported youd think there werent there at all
if anyone south of the border burned a load of immergrents out of their home it would be wall to wall but apart from a muted mention that it happened it wasnt discussed in the same way as a say a republican attack what im looking for is balance give both an equal lash.......

ok ok look lads rant over

sorry

anyway this thread is about the isreali/palestine conflict!! so id better stay on topic

bigeasyeah

or you could grab a beer and have some fun