Custom Rifles

Vegeta

Anyone here own a custom rifle? I am thinking of getting one made in about a years time and want to see would anyone recommend the work of guys here in Ireland.

Any chance of some pics, feedback would be greatly appreciated.

It wasn't me!

Just out of curiosity, what sort of setup are you going for?

Vegeta

well to be honest I was hoping to get something like the following

http://www.tacticaloperations.com/limaseries/

I don't want a dedicated F-Class rifle

I am not going to bother unless reloading becomes more accessible because I want a steady supply of quality ammo.

BryanL

Remmy 700 action and standard remmy action? says alot for remmington if it's as good as it says on the tin
Bryan

Vegeta

BryanL wrote: »

Remmy 700 action and standard remmy action? says alot for remmington if it's as good as it says on the tin
Bryan

all the stuff is fully blueprinted so I'd say it doesn't really matter what the action is cos they pimp the bejaysus out of it.

I'd bet remington don't complain though that their gear gets used in a lot of custom rifles

rrpc

I think this would knock the socks off the Remy tbh



It's not an ISSF rifle, but it's got all the trimmings and would make a serious dent in your wallet. Available in four calibres up to .308 Win.

Ten shot mag etc.

If you really want to see some serious kit, have a look here.

Vegeta

I don't know rrpc what kind of MOA groups are those rifles capable off and how much are they.

The tacs ops rifles come with a guarantee of 0.25 MOA and they're remmington actions.

jwshooter

Vegeta wrote: »

I don't know rrpc what kind of MOA groups are those rifles capable off and how much are they.

The tacs ops rifles come with a guarantee of 0.25 MOA and they're remmington actions.

if your looking for a guarantee buy a toaster ,,

Vegeta

jwshooter wrote: »

if your looking for a guarantee buy a toaster ,,

well if Im spendin 4-5K on a rifle I'd like the builder to stand over his work.

What's the point in getting a rifle built if its going to shoot the same as somehting you pick up off the shelf

rrpc

Vegeta wrote: »

I don't know rrpc what kind of MOA groups are those rifles capable off and how much are they.

The tacs ops rifles come with a guarantee of 0.25 MOA and they're remmington actions.

.25 MOA??? That wouldn't do around here!!, Around here we have to be spot on!

I couldn't tell you Veg, I don't know. All I do know is Bleiker are one of the most sought after target rifles in the world and cost about €6000 a pop.

rrpc

Vegeta wrote: »

well if Im spendin 4-5K on a rifle I'd like the builder to stand over his work.

What's the point in getting a rifle built if its going to shoot the same as somehting you pick up off the shelf

None. It really depend on what shelf you're buying from. Bleiker usually manufacture to order, so I suppose that's not off the shelf either. G+E are the same AFAIK, though I think they get their barrels from Anschütz.

jwshooter

Vegeta wrote: »

well if Im spendin 4-5K on a rifle I'd like the builder to stand over his work.

What's the point in getting a rifle built if its going to shoot the same as somehting you pick up off the shelf

only ****en with you .veg ,.shooting times this week bruce potts built his own rifle in his own cal,, interesting read ,, there is a few names in the uk that can come up with the goods what cal are you tinking about im getting one built at the moment ..rifle builders are like lap dancers easy get one but hard to get a gud one

Vegeta

jwshooter wrote: »

only ****en with you .veg ,.shooting times this week bruce potts built his own rifle in his own cal,, interesting read ,, there is a few names in the uk that can come up with the goods what cal are you tinking about im getting one built at the moment ..rifle builders are like lap dancers easy get one but hard to get a gud one

phew I thought I'd said something to annoy you.

Was thinking .308 as its a well known round when it comes to reloading, will shoot to 1000 yards for targtes and if the brother gets rid of the .270, the .308 would fill the slot nicely.

for some reason i'd love a 6.5x55 as its an accurate round but it doesn't deform very well on game so I wouldn't be mad about shooting deer with it.

its all early days yet really but would rather give the job to a capable irish guy rather than have to comission one abroad and go through the hassle of importing it. So looking into now

Hezz700

Hi Veg,

.243 has a custom job built by John Greene. A remy action in .243ackley. PM him for the full story.

Hezz

BryanL

for some reason i'd love a 6.5x55 as its an accurate round but it doesn't deform very well on game so I wouldn't be mad about shooting deer with it.


i'm amazed to read that, i thought it was great on game? Have seen a few work to great effect and it gets rave reviews on many message boards
Bryan

Vegeta

I was surprised to hear the same Bryan. I have never used it on deer myself as my brother has a .270 and that is all I have seen deer taken with.

I have read on other sites (and here by the odd user) that they feel the 6.5x55 over penetrates due to its long thin shape. That was enough to put doubt in my mind. I have not ruled it out however as I will probably shoot way more target than hunting.

As you can see I am not even 100% on caliber yet. Really just looking for peoples opinions on guys they have used. PMs welcome if they don't want to put it in public

jwshooter

Vegeta wrote: »

I was surprised to hear the same Bryan. I have never used it on deer myself as my brother has a .270 and that is all I have seen deer taken with.

I have read on other sites (and here by the odd user) that they feel the 6.5x55 over penetrates due to its long thin shape. That was enough to put doubt in my mind. I have not ruled it out however as I will probably shoot way more target than hunting.

As you can see I am not even 100% on caliber yet. Really just looking for peoples opinions on guys they have used. PMs welcome if they don't want to put it in public

iv see alot of deer shot with the 6.5x55 .its a slow round and lads use to heavy and hard a bullet and it passes through the animal with expending its enegry inside .i know there is a lot of deer shot with it but there is also a lot lost with it i would much rather see a lad coming with a 243 , did you get to see the shooting times after

bullets

I too in about another year or two will want a nice big expensive rifle.
But will want it specifically for F-Class and if they ever build the 1000m range
it would be nice to have something that could be used to reach out and touch
targets there too. I would like to able to buy one in Ireland though and not
need to have to start importing etc.

~B

Red Renard

Vegeta. I also have been asking about to find out more about this caliber myself. What I have found out is that american ammunition is loaded with less power because old military rifles are still firing it, these old rifles are not as strong as a modern made rifles and this is the reason some shooters dont like this caliber.
If you can reload it this improves greatly what it can do. Its mostly found loaded with the slow heavy bullets, I would want to try a lighter faster bullet to see will it shoot small to medium deer as well as my 243. Can
you find the 6.5 loaded ammunition with 100 grain bullet weight?

Gunter Mauser

Can you find the 6.5 loaded ammunition with 100 grain bullet weight?

Don't think so but Norma have a 6.5x55 120 grain loaded hot. You will have to order it in specially as most dealers don't carry Norma ammunition
here. Reloading gets the most from this round.:rolleyes:

jwshooter

Red Renard wrote: »

Vegeta. I also have been asking about to find out more about this caliber myself. What I have found out is that american ammunition is loaded with less power because old military rifles are still firing it, these old rifles are not as strong as a modern made rifles and this is the reason some shooters dont like this caliber.
If you can reload it this improves greatly what it can do. Its mostly found loaded with the slow heavy bullets, I would want to try a lighter faster bullet to see will it shoot small to medium deer as well as my 243. Can
you find the 6.5 loaded ammunition with 100 grain bullet weight?

no 100gr on any of my loading charts for 6.5 ,i think you can get a 127 gr ballistic tip head for them .

foxshooter243

jwshooter wrote: »

no 100gr on any of my loading charts for 6.5 ,i think you can get a 127 gr ballistic tip head for them .

hornady do both 95 grain and 100 grain bullets for the 6.5 by 55 swedish,
one in v max and the other in softpoint.

Gunter Mauser

95/100 grain fast and flat shooting unfortunately they have to be reloaded. 6.5x55 was designed originally as a 120 grainer great round
that can do just about anything if given the chance.:o

BryanL

must ask a friend but i know he has 6.5x55 in lapua 109 gr and possibly some lighter rounds too,bought off the shelf in Ireland.But he has been using Federal 120 gr, great in the wind and a good stopping round
Bryan

Gunter Mauser

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1481504/page/1/fpart/2



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Approximate impact velocity:
90-100gr.............2850-2900fps
120gr..................2750-2800fps
125gr..................2600-2700fps
129-130gr............2550-2600fps
140gr-142.5gr.......2500-2550fps
156-160gr............2400-2500fps
168gr..................2300-2400fps

jwshooter

foxshooter243 wrote: »

hornady do both 95 grain and 100 grain bullets for the 6.5 by 55 swedish,
one in v max and the other in softpoint.

heads only in 95 and 100 gr they sell only one bullet its in 140 gr ,

bullets

Leaving the whole killing animals and hunting out of the picture for a moment..... soft points, hard points, heavy bullet, light but fast bullet,
Big feck off size or small midget size.............................

leaving Killing things out of the way for a while whats the best
factory made (without reloading)buy off the shelf round available in Eire that would be suited to shooting at a target at 600-1000m taking into account that the average Joe may not be able to afford 6mm BR and would like a long barrel life before having to try and go though the task of getting a rifle re-barreled.


~B

jwshooter

the thread has gone some what off track , custom rifles

Vegeta

I don't really mind JW, its all research after all.

Like if someone comes out and says, "I've shot both .308 and 6.5x55 to 1000 yards and I think the .308 is a better option because of x,y and z" well then that'll help some folk thinking of getting into long range shooting on a budget.

I think bullets question is a great question and probably deserves a thread of its own but I don't mind if folks talk about it here.

Although some first hand experience with builders would still be great.

jwshooter

Vegeta wrote: »

I don't really mind JW, its all research after all.

Like if someone comes out and says, "I've shot both .308 and 6.5x55 to 1000 yards and I think the .308 is a better option because of x,y and z" well then that'll help some folk thinking of getting into long range shooting on a budget.

I think bullets question is a great question and probably deserves a thread of its own but I don't mind if folks talk about it here.

Although some first hand experience with builders would still be great.

i would agree on the 308 ,some of the best 1000 yard groups have been shot with 6mm br .the 243 shooting a 115 gr bullet is very highly regarded in the usa .. steve kershaw in the uk is building one for me at te min .im getting a heavy sporter profile match grade barrel by lothar walther, stock by mcmillan a varmint sako 75 in green and black marble ,the action is a sako 75 as i like the six shots for culling ,,im getting the action and barrel done in duracoat in mat black .. o and its a 270

rrpc

For a long time the 7.62 was considered the calibre of choice for 1000 yard shooting. AFAIK, it's still very widely used.

Sparks

It's still the only round used for Palma shooting (7.62mmNATO rather than .308).

ivanthehunter

Getting back to custom rifles:-
Would a shooter not be better to buy a good factory rifle with a good action and then go for a barrel upgrade to get better accuracy??

It wasn't me!

I dunno, I like the idea of having my specs built into a rifle as a unique job, from stock through action,barrel, scope, bases, mounts, trigger, calibre and any other little bits as well. It'd be interesting, and you end up with a pretty fantastic rifle, that fits and suits you completely.

Vegeta

ivanthehunter wrote: »

Getting back to custom rifles:-
Would a shooter not be better to buy a good factory rifle with a good action and then go for a barrel upgrade to get better accuracy??

Well that's what most rifle builders do, I doubt many make their own actions.

EDIT: Just to add they will usually square and true every aspect of the action and bolt. Lap the bolt so it locks into the action perfectly.
Do some work on the recoil lug, some form of tight tolerance grinding, don't understand that really. That's just I've read and I am completely ignorant when it comes to smithing so I am sure there is a lot more to it than that.

So even with a "good" factory action there is still some work involved with it.

Gunter Mauser

Ivan's, advice is a sensible affordable piece of advice to give. What caliber to use is also another big decision, it all comes down to cost and what you can afford.:(

It wasn't me!

Yeah, but cost tends to be less of a factor in a custom built gun, because you're already going to have resigned yourself to paying quite a sum for it. Someday I'd love to get one built, and help build it myself if possible, and when that day comes, my wallet will weep.

Sandy22

rrpc wrote: »

For a long time the 7.62 was considered the calibre of choice for 1000 yard shooting. AFAIK, it's still very widely used.

Only where it's de facto mandatory, or there are other, e.g. logistical constraints.

Sparks wrote: »

It's still the only round used for Palma shooting (7.62mmNATO rather than .308).

It's absolutely mandatory for Palma - you've no choice.

foxshooter243

ivanthehunter wrote: »

Getting back to custom rifles:-
Would a shooter not be better to buy a good factory rifle with a good action and then go for a barrel upgrade to get better accuracy??

truth be told theres only one choice to the irish shooter in general for 1000 yard shooting and thats 308 winchester, cos its got the most match grade loads available, and the best are those of 175 grain and above in order to get the speed coupled with the higher B.C bullets.
as for what rifle?, i think its fair to say that nowadays any good factory rifle using match grade ammo should be capable of 1 moa or better at 100 yds, therefore theoretically they could shoot a ten inch group at 1000 yds,2 newcomers could take to long range shooting at 1000 yds at the same time, one with a high quality precision rifle like a surgeon and the other with a standard factory job- but the difference in wind speed and direction coupled with weather conditions etc will soon leave the two of them scratching their heads-and negate any difference in their rifles.
The inherent accuracy of the rifle is well down on the list of requirements
for long range work, a good rifle with proper scope, one that the true minute of angle adjustments are known not read on the box, with proper
drop charts and wind tables, wind meter and flags etc are whats needed along with lots of trigger time-starting off spend the money on ammo!
cos thats the key to long range work-trigger time!

After that i would buy a surgeon in 308!

Hezz700

Barometric pressure is a right bitch................at least thats what i always blame for long range misses:D:D:D

I gotta agree with FS.243 though, .308 factory jobbie would be a sensible option for someone starting out. Then you can get the aftermarket work done if required.

eg. US made rifles always come with heavy triggers to avoid litigation, on the the other hand european made offerings while lighter in general are often fitted with set triggers providing scarely light breaks. For the average joe shooter replacing something like this will show little if no difference on paper.

Don't beleive all the hype:

Not all rifles need to be recrowned
Not all rifle will benifit from Glass bedding
Not all rifles need replacement triggers

Caliber will always be a personal thing and all the various 1000 yarders have their pro's and con's, but if your unsure i would say go with .308. There's lots of choice regarding ammo and the costs are reasonable enough.

When the whole reloading thing is sorted out will be time enough to start getting into the exotics (7mm Boo Boo and the like)

Hezz

foxshooter243

Hezz700 wrote: »

Barometric pressure is a right bitch................at least thats what i always blame for long range misses:D:D:D

I gotta agree with FS.243 though, .308 factory jobbie would be a sensible option for someone starting out. Then you can get the aftermarket work done if required.

eg. US made rifles always come with heavy triggers to avoid litigation, on the the other hand european made offerings while lighter in general are often fitted with set triggers providing scarely light breaks. For the average joe shooter replacing something like this will show little if no difference on paper.

Don't beleive all the hype:

Not all rifles need to be recrowned
Not all rifle will benifit from Glass bedding
Not all rifles need replacement triggers

Caliber will always be a personal thing and all the various 1000 yarders have their pro's and con's, but if your unsure i would say go with .308. There's lots of choice regarding ammo and the costs are reasonable enough.

When the whole reloading thing is sorted out will be time enough to start getting into the exotics (7mm Boo Boo and the like)

Hezz

yeah hezz theres plenty of calibers that can do the job , its ammo thats
the problem and the inability to reload counts a lot out of the equation-
mores the pity- so the 308 offers best ammo choice at the minute.

Hezz700

foxshooter243 wrote: »

yeah hezz theres plenty of calibers that can do the job , its ammo thats
the problem and the inability to reload counts a lot out of the equation-
mores the pity- so the 308 offers best ammo choice at the minute.

Its only a matter of time;):rolleyes:

Vegeta

Hezz700 wrote: »

but if your unsure i would say go with .308. There's lots of choice regarding ammo and the costs are reasonable enough.

When the whole reloading thing is sorted out will be time enough to start getting into the exotics (7mm Boo Boo and the like)

Hezz

Thanks guys, its great to get info from guys out there doing it.

So what are you paying for 20 rounds of match grade ammo. Please don't say over 40 euro or am I being naive.

The thought of sending 2 euro down range evertime I pull the trigger makes me sick. People are probably thinking, well you cant shoot long range and not spend money on ammo. Well that's why I want the ability to reload so badly, I know it wont save millions.

foxshooter, roughly how much were the homeloaded rounds for the .308 sako heavy barrel project?

Vegeta

Hezz700 wrote: »

Its only a matter of time;):rolleyes:

fingers crossed Hezz. If there's one thing that I want out of the FCP then that's it.

Rovi

Vegeta wrote: »

So what are you paying for 20 rounds of match grade ammo. Please don't say over 40 euro or am I being naive.

I'm buying Lapua Scenars and Hornady Match in .308 for €34-38/box of 20.
At this stage, I've pretty much abandoned firing el cheapo stuff (American Eagle, Remington UMC, and the like), as they only mess with my head when I'm hunkered down at the bench looking through the scope at bizarre flyers 300 meters away.
With the good quality stuff, accuracy well under MOA can be taken for granted, approaching 0.5MOA if I do everything right; flyers are my fault, either from poor technique or bad observation of the wind/mirage.

I'll use what I have left of the cheap stuff if I'm giving someone (who's not a 'target shooter') a few shots of the rifle, but apart from that, it'll be on a diet of good stuff from now on.

foxshooter243

Vegeta wrote: »

Thanks guys, its great to get info from guys out there doing it.

So what are you paying for 20 rounds of match grade ammo. Please don't say over 40 euro or am I being naive.

The thought of sending 2 euro down range evertime I pull the trigger makes me sick. People are probably thinking, well you cant shoot long range and not spend money on ammo. Well that's why I want the ability to reload so badly, I know it wont save millions.

foxshooter, roughly how much were the homeloaded rounds for the .308 sako heavy barrel project?

ammo cost for home loaded ammo was : bullet head 23p
powder charge 20p
primer 3.5 p in £stg
hitting clay at 1000 yds Priceless:D

foxshooter243

Rovi wrote: »

I'm buying Lapua Scenars and Hornady Match in .308 for €34-38/box of 20.
At this stage, I've pretty much abandoned firing el cheapo stuff (American Eagle, Remington UMC, and the like), as they only mess with my head when I'm hunkered down at the bench looking through the scope at bizarre flyers 300 meters away.
With the good quality stuff, accuracy well under MOA can be taken for granted, approaching 0.5MOA if I do everything right; flyers are my fault, either from poor technique or bad observation of the wind/mirage.

I'll use what I have left of the cheap stuff if I'm giving someone (who's not a 'target shooter') a few shots of the rifle, but apart from that, it'll be on a diet of good stuff from now on.

what type of rifle are you using rovi?

Rovi

foxshooter243 wrote: »

what type of rifle are you using rovi?

Sako TRG-22-


I know it won't live with the custom built race guns, but it shoots way better than I do.

...or am ever likely to.

foxshooter243

Rovi wrote: »

Sako TRG-22-


I know it won't live with the custom built race guns, but it shoots way better than I do.

...or am ever likely to.

nice combination sako/nightforce-great long range set-up;):D

Hezz700

Rovi wrote: »

Sako TRG-22-


I know it won't live with the custom built race guns, but it shoots way better than I do.

...or am ever likely to.

Beautiful....

Sparks

Glad to see it's in a decent case, you wouldn't want to go dropping it