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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Just to prove two points, the first that I am a gob****e, the second that I am happy to put my hand up and admit when I am wrong.

    My daughter has just come home from school and has had a coaching session from Martin Russell, a coach at UCD and a couple of the players (Didn't get their names) She has had a great time and has got a free admission to the game against Finn Harps tomorrow night.

    Her and half her class want to go and i am happy to take them along, just to prove that it works.

    I have been assured though, that she still supports Pompey, but would like to wach UCD play:D

    Also shows coincidences happen:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    I have been assured though, that she still supports Pompey, but would like to wach UCD play

    careful fred! its a slippery slope! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    These arguments are all absolutely ridiculous, each and every time they take place (which is around once every week). Just because some lad with a chip on his shoulder writes about it in the media doesn't make it anymore valid.

    Some questions:

    First, if you had a choice of two shops in which to buy your banana's and one of those shops sold some of the best banana's available anywhere in the world whilst the second shop sold reasonably ok banana's, which shop would you go to? Would the fact that other people you know like the reasonably ok banana's make a difference?

    Secondly, why does it bother eL fans so much that some people prefer to support the EPL? Surely if you like the eL and support a club in that league, that should be enough for you? Does this argument crop up so regularly and cause so much problem for eL fans because you know that without increased support the league will never grow enough to compete in Champions League's etc. therefore you hope that continuous badgering of EPL fans will help your club achieve your dreams for them?

    At the end of the day, I don't care what team you support, what cinema you go see movies at, what chipper you like, what chocolate bar you buy. I know what ones I like though and I enjoy them all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    Draupnir wrote: »
    These arguments are all absolutely ridiculous, each and every time they take place (which is around once every week). Just because some lad with a chip on his shoulder writes about it in the media doesn't make it anymore valid.

    Some questions:

    First, if you had a choice of two shops in which to buy your banana's and one of those shops sold some of the best banana's available anywhere in the world whilst the second shop sold reasonably ok banana's, which shop would you go to? Would the fact that other people you know like the reasonably ok banana's make a difference?

    Secondly, why does it bother eL fans so much that some people prefer to support the EPL? Surely if you like the eL and support a club in that league, that should be enough for you? Does this argument crop up so regularly and cause so much problem for eL fans because you know that without increased support the league will never grow enough to compete in Champions League's etc. therefore you hope that continuous badgering of EPL fans will help your club achieve your dreams for them?

    At the end of the day, I don't care what team you support, what cinema you go see movies at, what chipper you like, what chocolate bar you buy. I know what ones I like though and I enjoy them all.

    Thats fair enough, but I'm sure you don't monitor the stock market to see how your favourite chocolate bar's manufacturers are getting on, hoping they'll win the league over their competitors, the same with the cinema or chipper. The only reason someone might care about the success of these is that it might drive down prices.

    Supporting a football club, is meant to be about an affinity, if people were just to go for the best bananas of the bunch, I think its fair to say that the whole world would be Man Utd fans. And I don't think that this would make for a very interesting world. Clubs are located the world over, and not just in one massive sports region with TV cameras all over, for a reason.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    The best bananas are the ones you grow yourself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    I would monitor the chocolate bar's stock value if I invested in the company though and I would certainly be interested in their performance or success over their rivals if I visited their factory a bit and kept up to date on how their staff were performing as a result of my investment. Would you agree?

    I think you can see what I am getting at here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    DesF wrote: »
    The best bananas are the ones you grow yourself.

    Well then Des, I think you have settled this, Ireland produces notoriously poor quality bananas. Must be all the rain and cold weather. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Draupnir: there is also an argument for people supporting local traders so they dont go out of business.

    For example, i pay slightly more for musical equiptment (cables,amps,guitars,mics etc) from small shops around Dublin than i would do if i bought online. But without people like me these shops wouldnt be able to survive, so me, and many people like me, do choose to support the "local traders"

    Aint saying that the EL vigilantes are right, but a lot of the time, they do have a point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,985 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Well then Des, I think you have settled this, Ireland produces notoriously poor quality bananas. Must be all the rain and cold weather. :)

    In that case so does England and Scotland.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    the very fact that people equate chising a football team with buying bananas is fundamentally depressing.

    but since its being discussed, if its the qualit of the bananas on offer, why dont you all eat Spanish bananas? It is not that simple and well you know it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Well then Des, I think you have settled this, Ireland produces notoriously poor quality bananas. Must be all the rain and cold weather. :)

    Best comeback I ever read on Boards.

    Well done. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    I concur Mr.Alan. Des can testify to my appearance at a table quiz in Tolka Park once to support Shelbourne when they were trying to raise funds. I would have a more natural affinity for Bohs though, which is the main reason I wouldn't go to Tolka Park.

    The main reason I don't go to Dalymount anymore is because I don't like the atmosphere created there which to me is too hostile and has always made me slightly uncomfortable rather than enjoy myself. I would always look out for Bohs in results and the media however. I think this points to me being a potential match goer again should the Dalymount (or new stadium) experience change for the better.

    I must investigate a game soon to see if it's different since I last went.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    DesF wrote: »
    Best comeback I ever read on Boards.

    Well done. :D

    Cheers, can I have a game next Tuesday now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,985 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Secondly, why does it bother eL fans so much that some people prefer to support the EPL? Surely if you like the eL and support a club in that league, that should be enough for you? Does this argument crop up so regularly and cause so much problem for eL fans because you know that without increased support the league will never grow enough to compete in Champions League's etc. therefore you hope that continuous badgering of EPL fans will help your club achieve your dreams for them?



    Well here's a very simple answer money. Both Shamrock Rovers (Irelands' most successful club) and Shelbourne (Irelands' third most successful club) were on the brink of dieing in the last 5 years, not to mention 3 clubs not being so fortunate (Dublin City, Limerick FC and Kilkenny City).

    Shelbourne and Ollie Byrne tried to work miracles and get Ireland to a decent standard of football, he took a chance and look were we are now, because the thousands who turned up for a Champions League games never returned.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Cheers, can I have a game next Tuesday now?

    Will you be there?

    If you are, you'll probably get a game alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,985 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Draupnir wrote: »

    The main reason I don't go to Dalymount anymore is because I don't like the atmosphere created there which to me is too hostile


    It's a football stadium not a tennis match, try going and supporting a Polish or Italian side and see what hostile is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Well here's a very simple answer money. Both Shamrock Rovers (Irelands' most successful club) and Shelbourne (Irelands' third most successful club) were on the brink of dieing in the last 5 years, not to mention 3 clubs not being so fortunate (Dublin City, Limerick FC and Kilkenny City).

    Shelbourne and Ollie Byrne tried to work miracles and get Ireland to a decent standard of football, he took a chance and look were we are now, because the thousands who turned up for a Champions League games never returned.

    Dublin City, from what I could tell, failed for two reasons. Firstly that nobody went to watch them because they were a blow in club with no history and secondly, existing eL fans derided them for being a blow in club with no history.

    Limerick should be able to sustain a major professional club but Kilkenny is too small in my opinion.

    The other thing that is destroying the eL is themselves. Think about the size of the catchment area's involved. It's no surprise that Cork do so well. Imagine if there was only 1 or 2 Dublin clubs.

    Then think about England, a top level team in Kilkenny is like a top level team from Warrington.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    It's a football stadium not a tennis match, try going and supporting a Polish or Italian side and see what hostile is.

    Fair point, I probably wouldn't enjoy those either if they are worse. I generally don't go to places where I get the feeling I might get caught up in a huge row.

    I'm not saying that this doesn't happen in England by the way, I am quite sure it probably is the case, but that hasn't been my experience. I am just pointing out why I don't go to Dalymount and I won't try a different club because I wouldn't be able to attach myself to another club having grown up with Bohs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Fair point, I probably wouldn't enjoy those either if they are worse. I generally don't go to places where I get the feeling I might get caught up in a huge row.

    I'm not saying that this doesn't happen in England by the way, I am quite sure it probably is the case, but that hasn't been my experience. I am just pointing out why I don't go to Dalymount and I won't try a different club because I wouldn't be able to attach myself to another club having grown up with Bohs.

    Ironically enough, you were exactly the fan that Rocky Seery was targetting for Home Farm/Dublin City. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,985 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Draupnir wrote: »
    Dublin City, from what I could tell, failed for two reasons. Firstly that nobody went to watch them because they were a blow in club with no history and secondly, existing eL fans derided them for being a blow in club with no history.

    Limerick should be able to sustain a major professional club but Kilkenny is too small in my opinion.

    The other thing that is destroying the eL is themselves. Think about the size of the catchment area's involved. It's no surprise that Cork do so well. Imagine if there was only 1 or 2 Dublin clubs.

    Then think about England, a top level team in Kilkenny is like a top level team from Warrington.

    Dublin City ye you're right. But Limerick and Kilkenny should've been able to.

    It's the FAI actually destroying the league, after the Genesis report was published on the league, the FAI said they would produce more culchie teams, yet they introduce Sporting Fingal into the league (because of points) when a reality check would have told them to introduce Mullingar Town FC into the league (most likely they'll be in the First Divison next season).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    Draupnir wrote: »
    I would monitor the chocolate bar's stock value if I invested in the company though and I would certainly be interested in their performance or success over their rivals if I visited their factory a bit and kept up to date on how their staff were performing as a result of my investment. Would you agree?

    I think you can see what I am getting at here?

    Not really. Making a business investment for profit is fundamentally different to supporting a football club.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Dublin City ye you're right. But Limerick and Kilkenny should've been able to.

    It's the FAI actually destroying the league, after the Genesis report was published on the league, the FAI said they would produce more culchie teams, yet they introduce Sporting Fingal into the league (because of points) when a reality check would have told them to introduce Mullingar Town FC into the league (most likely they'll be in the First Divison next season).

    To be fair, there is not much they can do if rural teams don't apply.

    What needs to be done is insist that promotion and relegation from the LoI and provencial senior leagues happen. Kilkenny shouldnt have to go through all that and drop 5 divisions, they should have been relegated. Junior football needs to cop on and step up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,985 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    To be fair, there is not much they can do if rural teams don't apply.

    What needs to be done is insist that promotion and relegation from the LoI and provencial senior leagues happen. Kilkenny shouldnt have to go through all that and drop 5 divisions, they should have been relegated. Junior football needs to cop on and step up.


    Rural teams did apply, the likes of Mullingar Town FC, Kerry League, etc...

    I have to disagree with the 1st Divison promotion and relagation, I feel it makes it more competitive that the SL and the LOI.

    Yup as far as I know Waterford is the only team with full links to a good load of junior football clubs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Rural teams did apply, the likes of Mullingar Town FC, Kerry League, etc...

    I have to disagree with the 1st Divison promotion and relagation, I feel it makes it more competitive that the SL and the LOI.

    Yup as far as I know Waterford is the only team with full links to a good load of junior football clubs.

    Mullingar said they would in the late 90's, but never actually formally applied when the time came. Kerry have never applied either.

    I would much rather them in there, but the simple reality is Fingal were the only viable team to ask to be considered.

    Why would you not like a proper pyramid system?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,985 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Mullingar said they would in the late 90's, but never actually formally applied when the time came. Kerry have never applied either.

    I would much rather them in there, but the simple reality is Fingal were the only viable team to ask to be considered.

    Why would you not like a proper pyramid system?

    Mullingar did apply, my Dad used to play for them and knows committee members and they said they did.

    What do you mean by a pyramid system?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    What do you mean by a pyramid system?

    The Senior Leagues should feed directly into the Eircom League system.

    Premier
    1st
    A
    then the regional senior leagues

    with promotion and relegation on all levels.

    Like in England with the conference north and south feeding into the conference, feeding into the fourth division and so on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,985 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Aw right, ye it should be like that. But thinking about it no LSL or any other Senior League team have stadiums or facilities example I was in Letterkenny for our friendly with them pre-season and they play in the USL and they play in a Sports Centre with no facilities or anything, no room even to expand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Mullingar did apply, my Dad used to play for them and knows committee members and they said they did.

    When?
    What do you mean by a pyramid system?

    What Dessie says. Basically, teams in the Leinster and Munster Senior leagues in particular should be made step up and out of their comfort zones.

    Either regionalise the first division or (ideally for me) have a third division with much relaxed criteria for stadia. The A league in theory should facilitate this. The Kildares, Monaghans and Kilkennys would yo-yo, but thats basically their level.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    have a third division with much relaxed criteria for stadia. The Kildares, Monaghans and Kilkennys would yo-yo, but thats basically their level.

    Is this not what the A-Division is going to be?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    DesF wrote: »
    Is this not what the A-Division is going to be?


    you got me before the edit.... :D


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