Full Drivers license in place of passport

A racy brainrot

My brother is leaving for holland tomorrow. He is only staying for a few days. A guy trip thing.
His passport is missing.


As he is travelling within Europe, will he be allowed use his full drivers license in place of his passport? ?

Neamhshuntasach

As far as i know you can travel with either a passport or national ID card within the EU if you are an EU citizen. But since we don't have a national ID card your brother will probably need his passport. It depends whether the Dutch view an Irish drivers license as an official national ID card. But i don't think it is. Call the airline he's flying with as they'd probably be his largest obstacle rather than Dutch immigration. Or try the Dutch embassy too.

BuffyBot

He would need a passport.

Benedict XVI

Of course he needs a passport.

Irish citizens can only travel to the UK without a passport. They need passports for the rest of the world.

Where do people come up with these silly ideas that Irish citizens don’t need a passport to travel to the EU, its total and utter mis-information?

A racy brainrot

Benedict XVI wrote: »

Of course he needs a passport.

Where do people come up with these silly ideas that Irish citizens don’t need a passport to travel to the EU, its total and utter mis-information?

He is looking at every posibility.
Drivers license was the only one we could come up with that could work in place of his passport.
Thanks for the replies though

robinph

Once your going any further than the UK then you always need a passport.

If it was just to the UK though then it's dependant on the mode of transport and the provider as to what forms of ID you might need, if any.

BKtje

Within europe (most of and outside of the UK and ireland) you don't need a passport to travel around as long as you are an EU citizen. The UK however decided they didn't like that so opted out and since the UK is Ireland's closest neighbour and important trading partners the Irish government decided to stick with the UK and decided to only allow passportless movement between the UK and Ireland (if they had taken the European "side" the UK would have removed the Irish citizens right to passportless movement to the UK).

That's the way it was explained to me last time i asked someone. Whether this is true or complete nonesense i imagine someone here can clear up.

Dodge

B-K-DzR wrote: »

Within europe (most of and outside of the UK and ireland) you don't need a passport to travel around as long as you are an EU citizen. The UK however decided they didn't like that so opted out and since the UK is Ireland's closest neighbour and important trading partners the Irish government decided to stick with the UK and decided to only allow passportless movement between the UK and Ireland (if they had taken the European "side" the UK would have removed the Irish citizens right to passportless movement to the UK).

That's the way it was explained to me last time i asked someone. Whether this is true or complete nonesense i imagine someone here can clear up.

Its a horribly over simplistic view, and not 100% true either. Not trying to be funny but the question was already answered, why would you post up info that you weren't even sure about?

robinph

It's true that you are unlikely to be asked for a passport on travelling by land between France and Germany say, regadless of where you are actually from. However if you were to take a plane then you do need to have a passport if your from the UK or Ireland. You also need a passport to cross the border between UK/ Ireland and anywhere else regardless of where you are from.

shrapnel222

robinph wrote: »

You also need a passport to cross the border between UK/ Ireland and anywhere else regardless of where you are from.

this part is not true. only a driving licence is necessary between uk and ireland, and for children under 2, nothing at all.

P. Breathnach

shrapnel222 wrote: »

this part is not true. only a driving licence is necessary between uk and ireland, and for children under 2, nothing at all.

I think there has been a misunderstanding; I read robinph's comment as applying to moving between the common travel area of the "UK and Ireland" and the rest of the world.

You do not need even a driving licence to move between Ireland and the UK. You might need it to be allowed board a plane, but you can cross into NI in a bus, or go to Wales in a boat. It is a good idea to have some official ID with you, but you do not need it to pass from one jurisdiction to the other.

Random

Err.. the lads in Holland now or he's not, you can stop trying to help.

P. Breathnach

Did he find his passport, or did he chance using his driving licence and get away with it?

shrapnel222

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I think there has been a misunderstanding; I read robinph's comment as applying to moving between the common travel area of the "UK and Ireland" and the rest of the world.

You do not need even a driving licence to move between Ireland and the UK. You might need it to be allowed board a plane, but you can cross into NI in a bus, or go to Wales in a boat. It is a good idea to have some official ID with you, but you do not need it to pass from one jurisdiction to the other.

yup misunderstanding. i just reread it and i now see the error in my way.:D

P. Breathnach

shrapnel222 wrote: »

yup misunderstanding. i just reread it and i now see the error in my way.:D

I want to be fair: I would suggest that the error was not all down to you, because robinph's way of putting things was easily misunderstood.

Ponster

Dodge wrote: »

Its a horribly over simplistic view, and not 100% true either. Not trying to be funny but the question was already answered, why would you post up info that you weren't even sure about?

Well he's not a million miles off. The UK opted out of Schengen. Ireland followed suit so as not to endanger the Common Travel Area Arrangement which ensured passport-free travel to the UK and Channel Islands.

robinph

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I want to be fair: I would suggest that the error was not all down to you, because robinph's way of putting things was easily misunderstood.

It's a tricky one to phrase without getting too long winded, honest.

P. Breathnach

robinph wrote: »

It's a tricky one to phrase without getting too long winded, honest.

Okay. I won't punish you this time.

BKtje

Dodge wrote:

Its a horribly over simplistic view, and not 100% true either. Not trying to be funny but the question was already answered, why would you post up info that you weren't even sure about?

Do we need the advanced answer, very little in international politics is simplistic and most people don't care about it. I just tried to explain what i knew about it in the simple terms it was explained to me. My apologies if i didn't get it completly accurate but a simple pointing out what i got wrong would have been sufficient and much more helpful don't ya think?

After reading the actual agreement (thanks Ponster) i got a better understanding of it and i wasn't really that far off. Not sure why you jumped down my throat about it.

BuffyBot

I think we can let this die...