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N.T.C Exercise, Health Studies and Personal Training Who's doing it ??
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27-05-2008 9:57am#1
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Zamboni I thought you were actually coming from a position of knowledge. And were gonna give some insight.
Clearly you are just out to bash the course.
I haven't bashed the course at all.
I clearly gave my insight into the course on my first post with both positive and negative points.
My position of knowledge is that I have worked and studied the area for about 8 years and the NCEHS is one of many qualifications I have completed.
My assertion that a Hons JC student could do it, seems to have irked you. I don't really know why.
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Zamboni I thought you were actually coming from a position of knowledge. And were gonna give some insight.
Clearly you are just out to bash the course.
I haven't bashed the course at all.
I clearly gave my insight into the course on my first post with both positive and negative points.
My position of knowledge is that I have worked and studied the area for about 8 years and the NCEHS is one of many qualifications I have completed.
My assertion that a Hons JC student could do it, seems to have irked you. I don't really know why.
Lol. I'm not irked at all actually. I haven't signed up. Thus looking for opinions. The groundless assertion followed by your one sentence response to the other guy implies you aim to annoy. But in my case this won't work.
Aside from that you havnt offered any real alternative which is why I suspected you of just bashing. This could be based on the fact that you are so qualified and the industry still widely accepts these "jc level courses." Or it could be cos you are a competitor. I dunno. I could just have been way off.
If I am wrong. I apologise. I would love to hear any alternatives you have to offer to someone who cannot afford the time and is not in a position to simply not work for four years.
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As I said the NCEHS is a grand basic general start into the area, easy enough to achieve and accepted by most employers.
But you need to know what your goals are.
Are you doing a course for interest/part-time job/career?
Do you have a specific area you want to get into? Oly lifting? Track? Biomechanics? Weight loss? Nutrition? The options are endless.
Location?
Time?
Budget?
Accreditation of course provider and course?
Potential for further education?
NCEHS Alternatives - Have a read of these for a start for general intro's.
http://www.ncefinfo.com/ncef_courses.html
http://www.portobelloinstitute.ie/sports-therapy
http://www.setantacollege.com/?page_id=172
Ok, having looked very closely at the alternatives you provided and also over the ridiculous number of threads related to this course (you are in nearly them all btw) I am between this course and Portobello (http://www.portobelloinstitute.ie/sports-therapy/sports-courses/gym-instructor-personal-trainer-full-time).
But in a lot of threads the consensus seems to point towards that someone who wants to become a PT and cant go abroad to study would be best served starting off with the NCEHS course due to lower price and equal recognition with its alternatives. I recognise that this could be Selective Retention so... am I getting this wrong?
I already have a good knowledge in the area of Nutrition, Weight loss, Exercise and am big into resistance training. I want to learn how to work safely and get a qualification which allows me to get insured and start working as a PT.
The fact that the ITEC course in Portobello is delivered over a year implies that it is deeper but they do not list subjects and the NCEHS seems to have quite a lot in it. PORTOBELLO IS EXPENSIVE! Also Portobello takes a long time. But if I come out with a qualification which betters me as a trainer I would be happy.
You seem quite in favour of the Ncehs in most of your previous posts on the topic so its interesting that I got the impression you were bashing it.... 0 -
Ok, having looked very closely at the alternatives you provided and also over the ridiculous number of threads related to this course (you are in nearly them all btw) I am between this course and Portobello (http://www.portobelloinstitute.ie/sports-therapy/sports-courses/gym-instructor-personal-trainer-full-time).
But in a lot of threads the consensus seems to point towards that someone who wants to become a PT and cant go abroad to study would be best served starting off with the NCEHS course due to lower price and equal recognition with its alternatives. I recognise that this could be Selective Retention so... am I getting this wrong?
I already have a good knowledge in the area of Nutrition, Weight loss, Exercise and am big into resistance training. I want to learn how to work safely and get a qualification which allows me to get insured and start working as a PT.
The fact that the ITEC course in Portobello is delivered over a year implies that it is deeper but they do not list subjects and the NCEHS seems to have quite a lot in it. PORTOBELLO IS EXPENSIVE! Also Portobello takes a long time. But if I come out with a qualification which betters me as a trainer I would be happy.
You seem quite in favour of the Ncehs in most of your previous posts on the topic so its interesting that I got the impression you were bashing it....
If you want to listen to CD's, and clean toilets in a local globogym and be insured to do so then the NCEHS/NCEF will cover you. Maybe get a pool cert too and some random spin/bodypump/step cert to make you more employable.
If you want to go it alone as a PT, then the NCEHS/NCEF or indeed most of the others will be enough for an insurance company to be willing to take your cash.
If you are very serious and want to become a well rounded trainer who has a good grounding in nutrition, physiology etc then I would recommend a university qualification, finding a decent coach/club and doing an internship.
I have a personal bias that I think people in the fitness industry should have a minimum of a degree in a sport/health/fitness related field. But that is just me.
Usual disclaimer: Yes, there are good trainers without decent qualifications and there are bad trainers with a heap of them.0 -
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This aside I am passionate about health and fitness and am very serious about becoming a good PT.
The qualification you mentioned in this thread is often required to get the type of job Zamboni described - a poorly paid fitness instructor whose job often involves spending more time cleaning exercise equipment than actually helping people achieve their health and fitness goals.
If, however, you want to become a personal trainer, then insurance is your main concern. In this case, you only require any exercise certification which qualifies you for insurance.
If you are truly passionate about health and fitness, then I recommend you do a free internship with a bonafide expert in the field of exercise. Work alongside them and soak up as much knowledge as you can. You'll get very good very quickly. That's what a few of the guys on this forum are doing and they will be excellent personal trainers as a result.
Or.....
You could simply forget about qualifications altogether, proclaim yourself to be the best personal trainer who has ever lived, set up your own YouTube channel and make a ton of money pimping your "secrets of fat loss" to the uninformed masses.
While the second choice is sadly much more popular, the world desperately needs more of the former. They are a rare breed.
Best of luck whatever you do!
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If, however, you want to become a personal trainer, then insurance is your main concern. In this case, you only require any exercise certification which qualifies you for insurance.
Well this is essentially what I want. But obviously I have time constraints which doesn't allow me to do a four year degree. But even with this constraint I would like to pick the best of the rest. Im trying to figure out which (if any) of the shorter courses is best and will give me the most and help me towards my goal of being a truly excellent PT.If you are truly passionate about health and fitness, then I recommend you do a free internship with a bonafide expert in the field of exercise. Work alongside them and soak up as much knowledge as you can. You'll get very good very quickly. That's what a few of the guys on this forum are doing and they will be excellent personal trainers as a result.
Wow that sounds great.:eek: Is that really something you can do? How do you find these bonafide experts?
You could simply forget about qualifications altogether, proclaim yourself to be the best personal trainer who has ever lived, set up your own YouTube channel and make a ton of money pimping your "secrets of fat loss" to the uninformed masses.
While the second choice is sadly much more popular, the world desperately needs more of the former. They are a rare breed.
UGH. NO. To be absolutely honest I really like the idea of helping people reach goals they may feel are nearly unattainable. I have achieved it personally and then learnt and read more and more and have since helped some friends and family achieve their goals (but my god I have met some resistance!) I get a great sense of satisfaction from helping but I want to become as effective as I can be!0 -
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OK maybe that bit was a little b1tchy
It all read a little bitchy to be honest. I don't think the thread had moved on at all, your original question was about the course and what direction you should go and others are giving you opinions. I've done the NCEHS and I've mixed views on it.
Above and beyond that, here are my thoughts on what you'll have to do on completion. Clients will not land on your plate. It's hard work.- People (generally) work 9-5, that means you'll have to train them outside of these hours (at least initially). You'll need to be prepared to work hard and unsociable hours.
- One of your posts stated that you were wrecked from working late. Here's a reality...It's a rare morning that I'm not up at 5.00am to train clients, I also run classes and have clients in the evening, meaning it's often after 9pm when I get home. Your clients will be paying you directly to teach and motivate them...you can't use the excuse of being wrecked!
- You'll have to repeat the same things day in and day out. There are only a certain amount of 'movements' to cover and there are basic diet principles that you'll endlessly drill.
- You'll have difficult clients, difficult personalities, clients who have no interest in training to those you'll have to reign in. You'll have to learn to adapt to these, and a certain amount of that will have to be on the fly. This will only come from experience and learning from other coaches...get some.
- You'll have to train yourself. This is something that's not often discussed but you have to experience different training methods. You NEED to know how it feels and how it's meant to feel if you're going to teach it. Whether that be a max effort deadlift or a 10k run. Be in decent shape.
- I feel the same about diet, if you're going to walk someone through dieting and changing their lifestyle, at least know what it feels like to be hungry over a period of dieting. Method acting if you will.
- Read, read, read, read, watch, watch, watch books/videos/dvd's/visit other coaches, talk to other people in the industry.
- Learn your anatomy. Learn basic physiology. Learn basic nutrition.
- Above all, train people safely, don't do stupid workouts because of something you saw on the internet.
I'm sure there are plenty more. I'm not saying this to turn you off the idea, I'm saying it as they are the realities of being a PT...becoming a successful PT is about how well you apply all of the above (and marketing). I'm sure I'll think of more too but that's off the top of my head. Everyone sees it as a walk in the park, "I've an interest in fitness" that'll do, in reality that's just a catalyst, I was guilty of thinking like that myself a few years ago.
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It all read a little bitchy to be honest. I don't think the thread had moved on at all
Well in fairness if we are to be specific. It had been 6 posts over the course of nearly a week since that topic had been finished with. The topic in itself was silly and unprofitable anyway so I just wanted to see the back of it. I completely stand by the points I made in my bitchy post. Simply not the bitchiness. I appologise for that again.- People (generally) work 9-5, that means you'll have to train them outside of these hours (at least initially). You'll need to be prepared to work hard and unsociable hours.
- One of your posts stated that you were wrecked from working late. Here's a reality...It's a rare morning that I'm not up at 5.00am to train clients, I also run classes and have clients in the evening, meaning it's often after 9pm when I get home. Your clients will be paying you directly to teach and motivate them...you can't use the excuse of being wrecked!
I set up, own and run a business based in a unit in a shopping center. Trust me I could give a talk on how to live with irregular hours. My business is entirely based on customer relationships I know how to be energetic and charming .... when I want to.:D
It is great to get this kind of insight though. Thank you.- You'll have to repeat the same things day in and day out. There are only a certain amount of 'movements' to cover and there are basic diet principles that you'll endlessly drill.
- You'll have difficult clients, difficult personalities, clients who have no interest in training to those you'll have to reign in. You'll have to learn to adapt to these, and a certain amount of that will have to be on the fly. This will only come from experience and learning from other coaches...get some.
Yes I have experienced this with friends and family. I can only imagine what it would be like with people I barely know!! Im not looking forward to this learning curve!- You'll have to train yourself. This is something that's not often discussed but you have to experience different training methods. You NEED to know how it feels and how it's meant to feel if you're going to teach it. Whether that be a max effort deadlift or a 10k run. Be in decent shape.
This is the part I love. Particularly lifting. How do you deal with not being able to inspire this enjoyment in others? Is this entirely experience?- I feel the same about diet, if you're going to walk someone through dieting and changing their lifestyle, at least know what it feels like to be hungry over a period of dieting. Method acting if you will.
- Read, read, read, read, watch, watch, watch books/videos/dvd's/visit other coaches, talk to other people in the industry.
- Learn your anatomy. Learn basic physiology. Learn basic nutrition.
Im reading a lot but I guess I have a lot more to learn. Do you have any particular recommendations? My Nutrition knowledge is pretty good. My mother in law is a Nutritional Therapist. Together we torture the rest of the family!
With regards Anatomy I would have a decent bodybuilding knowledge of the muscle system but beyond that Im very limited. What else would you recommend?
My Physiology knowledge beyond what is encountered in Nutrition and exercise books probably leaves a lot to be desired. Will get on that asap!
I'm sure there are plenty more. I'm not saying this to turn you off the idea, I'm saying it as they are the realities of being a PT...becoming a successful PT is about how well you apply all of the above (and marketing). I'm sure I'll think of more too but that's off the top of my head. Everyone sees it as a walk in the park, "I've an interest in fitness" that'll do, in reality that's just a catalyst, I was guilty of thinking like that myself a few years ago.
Best of luck with whichever direction you head.
Hey not at all. The more turning off the better. Id like to go in with my head on my shoulders as much as possible. Thanks to you, Zamboni, Sanovitea and others .... Im getting closer. Any future advice, tips or anything dont hesitate to turn me off some more.
Nah I would never have thought it would be a walk in the park. I've tried and failed in a number of business ventures and I would never go into anything expecting it to be easy. But to me this is something I love and not purely a business interest so I'm hoping that will make things a little easier.
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