TMA'S whats best?

cowzerp

MMA and BJJ not involved! TMA arts only(older arts)! not pankraton.

The question is simple, and based around competition not "the street"
If traditional arts where to take part in an mma style match which would prove superior? and why?

It would be interesting to get a TMA take on this, Think Best of the Best!

dlofnep

Judo for grappling, Muay Thai for standup.. Or if you don't consider MT to be traditional enough.. kyokushin karate.

FiannaGym.com

Boxing, Wrestling, Muay Thai and Judo.

Why not pankration? It's the oldest of all!!

Peace

cowzerp

FiannaGym.com wrote: »

Why not pankration? It's the oldest of all!!

Actually boxing, wrestling and pankraton where all part of the ancient olympics!
Its essentially MMA thats why i said leave it out!..
like your choices though

ryoishin

Depends on the individual. Remember ufc 3 when royce could nt continue and it ended up being nunjutsu against american jiu jitsu/karate. The ninjutsu guy won. But in the pre-fight clips both of them were boxing on a heavy bag, the ninja guy was nt in ichi monji no kame and doing punches and kicks, he was in a boxing.kickboxing stance, it was the same for the other guy.

You train for the circumstances if you know what they are.

I have a link but its to the hole of ufc 3 and takes ages to get to the end fight.

FiannaGym.com

Yeah I said that on another thread.

I was just confused when you said "only(older arts)! not pankraton".

Peace

Nothingcompares

Not sure what we all agree are TMAs rather than Non-Tmas.

If I couldn't find a judo, bjj, wrestling, boxing or kickboxing club in my city I would probably spend more time playing rugby or similar ball sport. However, if forced to choose a martial art from the rest Muay Thai, Kyukushin Karate and Taekown-do would be the ones I'd try to train in next. All things being equal tat's also the order I'd go for.

dlofnep

ryoishin wrote: »

Depends on the individual. Remember ufc 3 when royce could nt continue and it ended up being nunjutsu against american jiu jitsu/karate. The ninjutsu guy won. But in the pre-fight clips both of them were boxing on a heavy bag, the ninja guy was nt in ichi monji no kame and doing punches and kicks, he was in a boxing.kickboxing stance, it was the same for the other guy.

You train for the circumstances if you know what they are.

I have a link but its to the hole of ufc 3 and takes ages to get to the end fight.

That was Steve Jennum. He got Melvin Bowen with an awesome o-goshi in their fight. Jennum was a good fighter for a traditional guy for his time.

dasmoose

I think if you defined a "traditional" martial art first that might help paul, judo and thai boxing are actaully far older than what most people consider a TMA like most schools of karate or taekwondo for example.

Colm_OReilly

How anyone didn't see these replies happening is beyond me.

Colm
-bemused

ColinJennings

I like Taekwon-Do. I have done it for ten years and still enjoy it. Whether it is the best 'TMA' is a question I can't answer because I have not done any other TMA as long as I've done TKD. My year of Judo was also fun, but I have been out of practice for quite some time now, so don't feel qualified to speak about that.

Is a solely TKD practitioner likely to win at UFC? Not a chance, but I certainly feel more confident in my ability to defend myself and I'm certainly more capable of delivering a punch, kick, srtike or block that I was before I started TKD, but I wouldn't feel that confortable on the ground.

To be honest, I'd much rather not have to fight (in a UFC match or otherwise) thank you very much.

cowzerp

dasmoose wrote: »

I think if you defined a "traditional" martial art first that might help paul, judo and thai boxing are actaully far older than what most people consider a TMA like most schools of karate or taekwondo for example.

Fair point! what i define as traditional would be arts that are less modern, eg, Kenpo, and i think TKD as we know it is quite modern! might be wrong, Muay thai and Judo are certainly traditional, what some people call traditional martial arts are actually not traditional at all, ed parker Kenpo been 1..

And colm_oreilly, if you dont like it, skip it.

ColinJennings

cowzerp wrote: »

TKD as we know it is quite modern!

Very much so. Taekwon-Do was formalised in 1955, the ITF founded in 1966 and the founder of Taekwon-Do only died in 2002. The first ever 9th Degree still lives in Glasgow and is a fairly regular visitor to these shores.

Tim_Murphy

TKD as we know it is quite modern!

Indeed it is, as are plenty other 'traditional' MAs.

what i define as traditional would be arts that are less modern,

That's not really much of a definition to be honest.

HammerHeadGym

Time to put this to bed. Lets look at a few facts.

Batman does ninjitsu.
Batman is the best fighter evar.
Q.E.D. as we say in the world of science.

cowzerp

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

That's not really much of a definition to be honest.

Sorry Tim!
i dont practise trad arts so its hard for me to explain, maybe i'd put it down as the ancient arts...either way, you know what i meant.
And Dave, Superman does MMA and would kick Batmans ass!

ryoishin

sumo.

Tim_Murphy

cowzerp wrote: »

i dont practise trad arts so its hard for me to explain, maybe i'd put it down as the ancient arts...either way, you know what i meant.

But that's always the problem when using the term traditional martial arts. Most people can't actually define what they mean by the term (but generally expect others to know what they mean by it), or else they have their own particular definition, which isn't necessarily shared by others. If you or I were to use the phrase we may well take it to mean a non-functional martial art. But I've had discussions on TKD forums about what they meant by term and they generally took it to mean something completely different. Most 'MMA types' would probably use the term in a somewhat negative way but can't really define what it means. Many (most?) 'traditional types' use it as a very positive term but generally aren't any better at it defining it.

Charlie3dan

ryoishin wrote: »

sumo.

+1

Roper

Sirs and Madams, oh who am I kidding, just Sirs.

I refer you to the noble attempt of many moons ago to come up with a reasonable definition of the very terms you are arguing about now. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=304303&highlight=TMA+MMA+definition

conor rowan

by TMA do you just mean not MMA?

going by this id go for good old fashioned wrestler. control from close quarters and strong builds.
the ultimate warrior could def take batman!

Judomad

conor rowan wrote: »

the ultimate warrior could def take batman!

but spider would whup ultimate warrior, come to think of it so would b-bob and rocksteady :D