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Westwood for Ireland?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I'm just boggled some think EL beats League 1, EL = Conference.

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    SantryRed wrote: »
    Reason I disagree with im being called up is because it's just a random call up. Barely anyone, except maybe Leeds fans knew about him until the play off second leg. Fair enough he had a good game but who's to say he's consistent?

    Brian Murphy should definitely of been called up ahead of him.


    That is exactly my feelings...like we were desperate for him to play for us or something. Seriously he should be begging us to let him play.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    mike65 wrote: »
    I'm just boggled some think EL beats League 1, EL = Conference.

    Mike.

    Bull****.

    If this was the case how do so many players get move to championship clubs? Look at Doyle for **** sake...he ripped up the Championship.

    Fulham wanted Liam Kearney. Joe Gamble is a very good championship player. John Paul Kelly was Captain of the Liverpool youth team. The reason he left was because he was homesick...so yeah bull.

    Could a conference club beat teams such as Malmo in a competitive outing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    mike65 wrote: »
    I'm just boggled some think EL beats League 1, EL = Conference.

    Mike.

    You really seem clueless on the topic and are only embarassing yourself with such rubbish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    Bull****.

    If this was the case how do so many players get move to championship clubs? Look at Doyle for **** sake...he ripped up the Championship.

    Fulham wanted Liam Kearney. Joe Gamble is a very good championship player. John Paul Kelly was Captain of the Liverpool youth team. The reason he left was because he was homesick...so yeah bull.

    Could a conference club beat teams such as Malmo in a competitive outing?

    Excellent post.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    stop feeding the trolls.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭Death or Glory


    mike65 wrote: »
    I'm just boggled some think EL beats League 1, EL = Conference.

    Mike.


    Well said


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Well said

    No it's not. Aside from Leeds, who are far too good for that sort of standard, what other team could a top eL club not have more than an excellent chance against?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭Death or Glory


    Swansea, Notts Forest, Doncaster, Carlisle, Southend and even Tranmere from what I've seen this season are far far superior to anything the EL has to offer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    I've watched League One all season, but even someone with just a passing interest would know that teams like Swansea, Forest, Carlisle, Donny and Leeds, not to mention the likes of Huddersfield, Tranmere, Southend and Hartlepool, would p*ss all over anything the EL has to offer
    Someone with a passing interest in League 1, the EL, or both?
    mike65 wrote: »
    I'm just boggled some think EL beats League 1, EL = Conference.
    Lads, if the EL was such a poor standard, then we'd be seeing the top players here jump at the chance to play in, say, League 1. But that simply isn't the case. I can't see the likes of Keith Fahey or Dave Mooney signing for Cheltenham or Yeovil any time soon. It's rare these days that even a decent EL player will consider a move to any club outside the top two divisions in England or the top division in Scotland.

    Look at it another way; it's quite common for EL players to represent Ireland at U21 level. How often do guys playing in the conference get a call-up?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭Death or Glory


    No one said the EL was a poor standard, and I agree with your point about the likes of Cheltenham and Yeovil. But the teams I have mentioned are far superior to anything the EL has. And while I take the point about Kevin Doyle, for every one of him there's a George O'Callaghan who was an utter flop at Brighton (a League One team).

    Also, League One has produced England Internationals in the past couple of years who are playing for much better teams and at much higher level (Ben Foster, Curtis Davis and to a lesser extent Jermaine Pennant)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭podge018


    Notts Forest, Swansea, Leeds/Doncaster are not League 1 standard, they're Championship standard as proved by their promotion. Top 6 of the eL would fill the top 10 positions of League 1.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Notts Forest, Swansea, Leeds/Doncaster are not League 1 standard, they're Championship standard as proved by their promotion.

    Well thats one way of looking at it, they were presumably EL standard when they got relegated then.

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    Swansea, Notts Forest, Doncaster, Carlisle, Southend and even Tranmere from what I've seen this season are far far superior to anything the EL has to offer

    clueless.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭Death or Glory


    You obviously don't watch League One so you really shouldn't comment. If you think an Eircom League team could go with any of the above you're sadly deluded


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    You obviously don't watch League One so you really shouldn't comment. If you think an Eircom League team could go with any of the above you're sadly deluded

    My best friend is a Leeds fan so I'm pretty much condemned to watching. Aside from Leeds, Swansea and Forest are the only sides up there with the Eircom League sides. The performances of Irish sides in Europe reflects that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭Death or Glory


    I'd include Doncaster, Southend, Carlisle and maybe Hartlepool and Tranmere. Even lower table League One teams such as Bristol Rovers and Huddersfield have turned over Prem sides this season.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    I'd include Doncaster, Southend, Carlisle and maybe Hartlepool and Tranmere. Even lower table League One teams such as Bristol Rovers and Huddersfield have turned over Prem sides this season.


    ON one off days, who's to say Pats or Bohs wouldn't be able to do that either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    The performances of Irish sides in Europe reflects that.

    How does it reflect? Sub Prem League sides will only play in Europe if they win one of two top domestic cups no? An EL side can get into the Wafer Cup by being the least worst of the league.

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭DSB


    mike65 wrote: »
    How does it reflect? Sub Prem League sides will only play in Europe if they win one of two top domestic cups no? An EL side can get into the Wafer Cup by being the least worst of the league.

    Mike.

    It has reflected how Irish sides have been stronger than sides from top tier leagues across Europe, in the shape of Shels, Cork and Derry.

    League One has been hugely glamourised by the relegation of a club as big as Leeds.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭Death or Glory


    Up until a couple of months ago Leeds were one of the worst footballing sides in L1...... non stop long ball hoofing, atrocious to watch. The last thing i think we've done is brought glamour!

    Sides like Swans, Donny, Forest and especially Hartlepool have played brilliant football, and the majority of it has been rewarded. They don't need Leeds to glamourise their league. The standard of football at times has been excellent, and the players are far superior to anything the EL has to offer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    The standard of football at times has been excellent, and the players are far superior to anything the EL has to offer
    That's nonsense. Are you telling me that the likes of Paddy McCourt, Keith Fahey, John Paul Kelly, Faz Kudozovic, Eamonn Zayed, Joe Gamble, etc. couldn't cut it at League 1 level? Absolute nonsense.

    I feel a couple of clips are necessary to emphasise my point:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPv-OIpsI1s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXllkCxvq8k&feature=related

    How NI can afford to leave McCourt out of their squad is beyond me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 482 ✭✭Death or Glory


    No, what I'm saying is the likes of Jermaine Beckford, Kris Commons, Jason Scotland, Kieran Westwood, Lee Bernard, Rui Marques, Andy Robinson, Junior Agogo et al are far far too good for EL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    Death or Glory I suppose you're one of those who think Celtic and Rangers would struggle in the Championship.


    Why bother mentioning a bunch of random players in an attempt to illustrate that third tier english football is better than Eircom League?

    Let me ask do you watch much of the Eircom League?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    There are two seperate debates happening here.

    Is this guy good enough? Possibly. But at the moment we have an abundance of serious keepers playing at home, specifically the two Murphys at the big two Dublin clubs and Quigley at Derry. All with underage international big game experience. Third fourth and fifth chioces in my opinion.

    Secondly, the whole plastic paddy argument. McGeady and Kilbane are clearly Irish even if they happen to be born overseas. For this guy to talk about 'picking' Ireland and how he wasnt 'really Irish but it was ok because he was Catholic' to me fundamentally demeans the jersey and is a spit in the eye of all the hard work being done by the FAI to produce players.

    Its demeaning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    mike65 wrote: »
    I'm just boggled some think EL beats League 1, EL = Conference.

    Mike.

    LOL and heres me thinking Pats would take any PL side bar Everton in the UEFA, one of us hasnt a ****ing a clue about football and actually watching it...on a pitch...as its happening....right there... not on tv ....with replays ...but right there......s it happens.

    bring on the city.



    kdjac


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