Attn; RDF lads...

arybvtcw0eolkf

Just a little advice guys, and maybe something you can pass a long.

Unacceptable behaviour in uniform and out in public.

Lads, and its a TINY minority of RDF - when your guys are making your way too and from barracks on your training nights your behaviour reflects directly upon not only the RDF, but the Defence Forces as a whole.

Pass this along to your units, NOT acceptable is slouching along, no beret, smoking, taking up the footpath so people have to walk around your gaggle, spitting.

Sorry if this gets anyone's backs up, but its really pissing me (and other lads I work with) off big time lately.

I deleted almost half this thread as I don't think this is the place to air dirty laundry, but needless to say an incident in Rathmines the other evening prompted this.

A small few are bringing us all into poor light with the public, and hardly promoting a professional image to the PDF lads who might look to gripe about the RDF.

Lockstep

+1.

Very well put.

Nuttzz

i agree, you shouldnt have to travel to the barracks in uniform, it would be much better if there were lockers where the rdf lads could leave their uniforms between parades, but with all those pdf magpies about you couldnt really do that could you...:)

the GALL

Hey, Mairt
What happened?

King Ludvig

The way I see it, the moment you put on the uniform you are no longer an indivugal. You are now representing, not only the Defence Forces, but your contry and should act accordingly. You should respect the uniform and be proud to be wearing it.

This should be made clear to recuits (such as myself) by their NCOs etc as a small number of them clearly lack common sence.

segaBOY

King Ludvig wrote: »

The way I see it, the moment you put on the uniform you are no longer an indivugal. You are now representing, not only the Defence Forces, but your contry and should act accordingly. You should respect the uniform and be proud to be wearing it.

This should be made clear to recuits (such as myself) by their NCOs etc as a small number of them clearly lack common sence.

80% of the recruit class in my unit are in that boat-they will barely last a year in the RDF, such a waste of a uniform

minidazzler

Mairt, very well put and I can definitely see where you are coming from!!! I know a fair few lads like that!!!

Hagar

Well said Mairt.

NoQuarter

i seen a couple walking around rathmines in their CEFO before!

mr.miagi

king-stew wrote: »

i seen a couple walking around rathmines in their CEFO before!

would they have been on their way home from a tactics training excersise???

i know well it would make evry bit of sense to wear it rather than carry it in their hand

NoQuarter

couldnt tell ya, but still.....

EgoApocalypse

king-stew wrote: »

couldnt tell ya, but still.....

Seen that aswell, Eh! Wrong strolling around in the gear, Not far off havin their weapons with them.

mr.miagi

EgoApocalypse wrote: »

Seen that aswell, Eh! Wrong strolling around in the gear, Not far off havin their weapons with them.

its a long way off

EgoApocalypse

mr.miagi wrote: »

its a long way off

Guilty. hehe.

mr.miagi

hardly

Riddle101

Mairt wrote: »

Just a little advice guys, and maybe something you can pass a long.

Unacceptable behaviour in uniform and out in public.

Lads, and its a TINY minority of RDF - when your guys are making your way too and from barracks on your training nights your behaviour reflects directly upon not only the RDF, but the Defence Forces as a whole.

Pass this along to your units, NOT acceptable is slouching along, no beret, smoking, taking up the footpath so people have to walk around your gaggle, spitting.

Sorry if this gets anyone's backs up, but its really pissing me (and other lads I work with) off big time lately.

I deleted almost half this thread as I don't think this is the place to air dirty laundry, but needless to say an incident in Rathmines the other evening prompted this.

A small few are bringing us all into poor light with the public, and hardly promoting a professional image to the PDF lads who might look to gripe about the RDF.

You can't stop guys from Smoking, i've seen guys in the PDF smoke in uniform and we're given smoke breaks as well, now i'm not a smoker but i think you're overreacting when you say we shouldn't smoke in uniform.

As for the rest of what you said, well i can countt myself lucky i don't do any of that stuff.

By the way i'd have to say the PDF show a bad image too, twice i came to the gate last week and twice the gaurd at the gate gave me attitude, i'm not saying it's the PDF as a whole but a little bit of politeness wouldn't kill you

segaBOY

Riddle101 wrote: »

You can't stop guys from Smoking, i've seen guys in the PDF smoke in uniform and we're given smoke breaks as well, now i'm not a smoker but i think you're overreacting when you say we shouldn't smoke in uniform.

As for the rest of what you said, well i can countt myself lucky i don't do any of that stuff.

By the way i'd have to say the PDF show a bad image too, twice i came to the gate last week and twice the gaurd at the gate gave me attitude, i'm not saying it's the PDF as a whole but a little bit of politeness wouldn't kill you

I CAN'T STAND THOSE FAG BREAKS!!!!

God almighty the amount of nightly parade time wasted having fags, I mean in all fairness. I remember asking my brother who was in the Cadets if they got fag breaks-he nearly ate the head off of me

minidazzler

Riddle101 wrote: »

You can't stop guys from Smoking, i've seen guys in the PDF smoke in uniform and we're given smoke breaks as well, now i'm not a smoker but i think you're overreacting when you say we shouldn't smoke in uniform.

As for the rest of what you said, well i can countt myself lucky i don't do any of that stuff.

By the way i'd have to say the PDF show a bad image too, twice i came to the gate last week and twice the gaurd at the gate gave me attitude, i'm not saying it's the PDF as a whole but a little bit of politeness wouldn't kill you

From the way I read into it, I think he meant don't smoke when you are walking up the road in Uniform. I find this to be a very reasonable request. (I don't smoke)

I also hate when NCO's say "Go and have a fag break" I don't mind a 5 minute break every 45 mins but calling it a fag break is just annoying.

Manic Moran

Nuttzz wrote: »

i agree, you shouldnt have to travel to the barracks in uniform, it would be much better if there were lockers where the rdf lads could leave their uniforms between parades, but with all those pdf magpies about you couldnt really do that could you...:)

I think the opposite. People should be encouraged to travel in uniform. It increases the exposure of the DF and particularly of the RDF, and can be a positive benefit. The US has recently figured this out, and is now encouraging its troops to travel (particularly by airlines) in uniform, when only a few years ago it encouraged civilian attire. Canada has a Reserve Forces Day when all reservists attend their civilian jobs in uniform, to increase public awareness.

Now, if you think that RDF (Or PDF) types can't handle themselves appropriately in uniform in public, that becomes an issue for internal discipline. If they're expected to go shoot people, it's probably not too much to expect that they conduct themselves well on the street.

NTM

bunny shooter

King Ludvig wrote: »

This should be made clear to recuits (such as myself) by their NCOs etc as a small number of them clearly lack common sence.

I have made it clear to mine and plenty more besides, but they don't seem to listen :mad:

Riddle101

Look i don't mean to sound insensitive because i speak the truth, but no one is going to listen to you's or anyone, the fact is that once Parade nights are over, people are free to do whatever they want and are no longer restricted to the army disicipline, they therefore don't care what you guys want. They think that they're off duty so they can do whatever they want and no one can tell them what to do, now unless you plan to get new rules implimented or start punishing the guys that are doing it, you wont get through to them, that being said the RDF will never make rules like that because let's face, the numbers are bad as it is, it's hard for a unit to keep it's people coming down every tuesday night without some PDF guy or NCO giving out S**t about how they should act when in uniform, it'll just drive them away and no RDF unit wants that

bunny shooter

Your version of the truth don't mean much in reality. Don't you believe that ****e. As long as you are enlisted and in uniform or up on camp etc you are liable to military law. Suggest you read up on The Defence Act 1954.

Well as far as I'm concerned if they have an attitude like that they can stay away, I don't care how bad the numbers are as long as what's there is worth having :mad:

Anyone tries that attitude with me they would be better off staying away :mad:

I have high standards and I ain't lowering them for nobody. If RDF want respest from PDF they have to earn it. Same as lowly privates/gunners and troopers have to earn my respect, same as I had to earn my NCO's respect in my time !

steyr fan

Riddle - stop talking sh**e - as long as you are in uniform, you are in uniform. You represent the DF & your country. Wear the uniform with pride, do not bring disgrace on it or the DF (PDF & RDF) by carrying on any way you like after parade is over.

I would have no difficulty in advising anyone who brings shame on me and my RDF / PDF colleagues to transfer to another unit, but get the fcuk away from me.

If you want to train & soldier alongside me, then you better be the best there is, cause there is no room for slackers.

Head up, shoulders back, look your own height. Be proud of who & what you are and what you represent.

Borneo Fnctn

Riddle101 wrote: »

Look i don't mean to sound insensitive because i speak the truth, but no one is going to listen to you's or anyone, the fact is that once Parade nights are over, people are free to do whatever they want and are no longer restricted to the army disicipline, they therefore don't care what you guys want. They think that they're off duty so they can do whatever they want and no one can tell them what to do, now unless you plan to get new rules implimented or start punishing the guys that are doing it, you wont get through to them, that being said the RDF will never make rules like that because let's face, the numbers are bad as it is, it's hard for a unit to keep it's people coming down every tuesday night without some PDF guy or NCO giving out S**t about how they should act when in uniform, it'll just drive them away and no RDF unit wants that

That's a load of ****e and you know it. If you're in uniform, every move you make is made as a representative of the DF. Anything you do in uniform can rightly be called into question. Bunny Shooter has it right; if they don't want to behave like soldiers they can **** off with themselves. And that goes for you as well.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Riddle101 wrote: »

Look i don't mean to sound insensitive because i speak the truth, but no one is going to listen to you's or anyone, the fact is that once Parade nights are over, people are free to do whatever they want and are no longer restricted to the army disicipline, they therefore don't care what you guys want. They think that they're off duty so they can do whatever they want and no one can tell them what to do, now unless you plan to get new rules implimented or start punishing the guys that are doing it, you wont get through to them, that being said the RDF will never make rules like that because let's face, the numbers are bad as it is, it's hard for a unit to keep it's people coming down every tuesday night without some PDF guy or NCO giving out S**t about how they should act when in uniform, it'll just drive them away and no RDF unit wants that

Ok, your a little confused here.

Once your a member of the RDF your a member of the defence forces and subject to the same rules and regulations that I do (I'm PDF). And that includes behaviour in and out of uniform - in and out of barracks.

But your on the right track as regards numbers being down and chasing people away. But do you not think that if the RDF was a little more professional it might attract a more professional type of soldier to fill the ranks of the wasters.

There are lots of good, well intentioned RDF lads being brought into poor light by a small few. I'd rather see those guys hand back their uniform's and be damned with the numbers.

minidazzler

Mairt wrote: »

There are lots of good, well intentioned RDF lads being brought into poor light by a small few. I'd rather see those guys hand back their uniform's and be damned with the numbers.

In Fairness Now, Why would anyone hand back a Perfectly good Halloween Costume.
[/sarcasm]

These wasters I actually can't stand them but the RDF Can't Kick People out because then the Unit gets less of the Budget Cut because of less People on the Books.

Thats one of the Reasons Units are Hessitant to place personnel on the Non-Effective list.

But whatever.

arybvtcw0eolkf

minidazzler wrote: »

In Fairness Now, Why would anyone hand back a Perfectly good Halloween Costume.
[/sarcasm]

These wasters I actually can't stand them but the RDF Can't Kick People out because then the Unit gets less of the Budget Cut because of less People on the Books.

Thats one of the Reasons Units are Hessitant to place personnel on the Non-Effective list.

But whatever.

Yup, its a pity.

Its also a pity that some RDF members seem to think they're any different to their PDF counterparts.

There's very little difference. RDF & PDF members are both subject to the same rules and regulations. We more or less wear the same uniform & are seen by the public as 'soldiers'.

But just because one is part time, and one is full time doesn't make one less or more a soldier than the other - in my eyes.

minidazzler

In My Opinion, we are different, Not bad Different but still different.

But, Only people in the DF and other related bodies can tell the Difference and then to most other people (especially kids) whoever is in Uniform is THE Army.

The Rules and Regs thing though I can't get over. I have had people in the RDF the same length of time and Longer than me who have been in all the same lectures as me that say that certain rules "Don't apply to RDF." Mainly the ones considering the wearing of Uniform while not on Duty.

arybvtcw0eolkf

minidazzler wrote: »

In My Opinion, we are different, Not bad Different but still different.

But, Only people in the DF and other related bodies can tell the Difference and then to most other people (especially kids) whoever is in Uniform is THE Army.

The Rules and Regs thing though I can't get over. I have had people in the RDF the same length of time and Longer than me who have been in all the same lectures as me that say that certain rules "Don't apply to RDF." Mainly the ones considering the wearing of Uniform while not on Duty.

You see that brings us back to an earlier thread where I asked why the RDF lads blanked us (PDF) in the dining hall.

ALWAYS myself and the other lads on duty will converse with the RDF guys on the Q for grub, as most of us would be ex- FCA members. But as soon as the RDF lads are served they scurry on over to another part of the dining complex and thats it.

So it would seem this difference is more in the eye of the RDF lads than it is us.

Re. regulations governing wearing the uniform. There's no difference so far as I know. The RDF might have a few small difference in issue, ie no Haix or Magnum boots and a green beret instead of black and things like that.

But (and this is what the thread is about) in no way can either RDF or PDF members slaunter along the public paths improperly dressed and behaving in an inappropriate manner.

minidazzler

Totally agree with you there.

And, I have to say though, I am only in the RDF about a year and a Half and I have done a couple of Guard Duties in the Glen with PDF Lads, (I was the only RDF person). And Despite initial apprehension (Due to not knowing what to expect from them). I found it perfectly grand and now I can talk away with Most PDF Lads.


But, as I said, I toally agree with the Sauntering along when in Uniform. As Soldiers, whether part-time or full-time, they are seen as THE people to be Disciplined, and then a small number act like idiots and make everyone who wears the Uniform look bad. And, that brings me back to my earlier Point of, since most people don't know the difference between RDF and PDF it reflects badly on the DF as a whole.


EDIT:[If you are a cook, then I have possibly met you briefly earlier this year in Glen. I am not sure if it was you but it did look like ya. I was there at the same time as the 2nd Reg. Arty) And if it was you then you gave me extra sausages cos I was just off Guard so Nice one.

arybvtcw0eolkf

minidazzler wrote: »

EDIT:[If you are a cook, then I have possibly met you briefly earlier this year in Glen. I am not sure if it was you but it did look like ya. I was there at the same time as the 2nd Reg. Arty) And if it was you then you gave me extra sausages cos I was just off Guard so Nice one.

Nope, not a cook.

I'm not sure which cooks would have travelled with the 2nd fld Arty lads.

Riddle101

bunny shooter wrote: »

Your version of the truth don't mean much in reality. Don't you believe that ****e. As long as you are enlisted and in uniform or up on camp etc you are liable to military law. Suggest you read up on The Defence Act 1954.

Well as far as I'm concerned if they have an attitude like that they can stay away, I don't care how bad the numbers are as long as what's there is worth having :mad:

Anyone tries that attitude with me they would be better off staying away :mad:

I have high standards and I ain't lowering them for nobody. If RDF want respest from PDF they have to earn it. Same as lowly privates/gunners and troopers have to earn my respect, same as I had to earn my NCO's respect in my time !

You might not care about the numbers but what about the higher ups, like the officers. That's fair if you want to have high standards, i respect that, but the RDF in general can't do anything about privates or gunners smoking in uniform when not on parade.

steyr fan wrote: »

Riddle - stop talking sh**e - as long as you are in uniform, you are in uniform. You represent the DF & your country. Wear the uniform with pride, do not bring disgrace on it or the DF (PDF & RDF) by carrying on any way you like after parade is over.

I would have no difficulty in advising anyone who brings shame on me and my RDF / PDF colleagues to transfer to another unit, but get the fcuk away from me.

If you want to train & soldier alongside me, then you better be the best there is, cause there is no room for slackers.

Head up, shoulders back, look your own height. Be proud of who & what you are and what you represent.

Woah woah, i don't do any of the stuff that the OP mentioned, i do have pride when i wear the uniform and you can be thankful that i'm one of those guys, i'm just saying you get the odd troublemaker types who don't really care about the uniform and are just in it to get paid for the Annual Camp and then leave the RDF once Camp is over and never return, those are the types of fellas i'm talking about

jackpalance wrote: »

That's a load of ****e and you know it. If you're in uniform, every move you make is made as a representative of the DF. Anything you do in uniform can rightly be called into question. Bunny Shooter has it right; if they don't want to behave like soldiers they can **** off with themselves. And that goes for you as well.

You may be representing the DF when in uniform but do you seriously believe that people give a damn about the DF's image, i mean you must see the amount abuse soldiers get at the Curragh from the locals, i remember in last years anuual camp, we got bricked on the way to the Gym, and you say we have a good image. It's the same with come of the guys in the RDF, they don't believe in the whole we need to give a good image of the DF because we're only part timers/

Mairt wrote: »

Ok, your a little confused here.

Once your a member of the RDF your a member of the defence forces and subject to the same rules and regulations that I do (I'm PDF). And that includes behaviour in and out of uniform - in and out of barracks.

But your on the right track as regards numbers being down and chasing people away. But do you not think that if the RDF was a little more professional it might attract a more professional type of soldier to fill the ranks of the wasters.

There are lots of good, well intentioned RDF lads being brought into poor light by a small few. I'd rather see those guys hand back their uniform's and be damned with the numbers.

Yes we are subjected to army disipline such as you said but not for things like smoking in uniform or taking up the path, i'm morely talking about the points you made in your first post

minidazzler

Ah well, nice bunch anyway (The Dublin PDF That is.)

Riddle101

bunny shooter wrote: »

Your version of the truth don't mean much in reality. Don't you believe that ****e. As long as you are enlisted and in uniform or up on camp etc you are liable to military law. Suggest you read up on The Defence Act 1954.

Well as far as I'm concerned if they have an attitude like that they can stay away, I don't care how bad the numbers are as long as what's there is worth having :mad:

Anyone tries that attitude with me they would be better off staying away :mad:

I have high standards and I ain't lowering them for nobody. If RDF want respest from PDF they have to earn it. Same as lowly privates/gunners and troopers have to earn my respect, same as I had to earn my NCO's respect in my time !

You might not care about the numbers but what about the higher ups, like the officers. That's fair if you want to have high standards, i respect that, but the RDF in general can't do anything about privates or gunners smoking in uniform when not on parade.

steyr fan wrote: »

Riddle - stop talking sh**e - as long as you are in uniform, you are in uniform. You represent the DF & your country. Wear the uniform with pride, do not bring disgrace on it or the DF (PDF & RDF) by carrying on any way you like after parade is over.

I would have no difficulty in advising anyone who brings shame on me and my RDF / PDF colleagues to transfer to another unit, but get the fcuk away from me.

If you want to train & soldier alongside me, then you better be the best there is, cause there is no room for slackers.

Head up, shoulders back, look your own height. Be proud of who & what you are and what you represent.

Woah woah, i don't do any of the stuff that the OP mentioned, i do have pride when i wear the uniform and you can be thankful that i'm one of those guys, i'm just saying you get the odd troublemaker types who don't really care about the uniform and are just in it to get paid for the Annual Camp and then leave the RDF once Camp is over and never return, those are the types of fellas i'm talking about

jackpalance wrote: »

That's a load of ****e and you know it. If you're in uniform, every move you make is made as a representative of the DF. Anything you do in uniform can rightly be called into question. Bunny Shooter has it right; if they don't want to behave like soldiers they can **** off with themselves. And that goes for you as well.

You may be representing the DF when in uniform but do you seriously believe that people give a damn about the DF's image, i mean you must see the amount abuse soldiers get at the Curragh from the locals, i remember in last years anuual camp, we got bricked on the way to the Gym, and you say we have a good image. It's the same with come of the guys in the RDF, they don't believe in the whole we need to give a good image of the DF because we're only part timers/

Mairt wrote: »

Ok, your a little confused here.

Once your a member of the RDF your a member of the defence forces and subject to the same rules and regulations that I do (I'm PDF). And that includes behaviour in and out of uniform - in and out of barracks.

But your on the right track as regards numbers being down and chasing people away. But do you not think that if the RDF was a little more professional it might attract a more professional type of soldier to fill the ranks of the wasters.

There are lots of good, well intentioned RDF lads being brought into poor light by a small few. I'd rather see those guys hand back their uniform's and be damned with the numbers.

Yes we are subjected to army disipline such as you said but not for things like smoking in uniform or taking up the path, i'm morely talking about the points you made in your first post

minidazzler

Riddle101 wrote: »

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You might not care about the numbers but what about the higher ups, like the officers. That's fair if you want to have high standards, i respect that, but the RDF in general can't do anything about privates or gunners smoking in uniform when not on parade.

Well, actually they can tell them not to smoke when in Uniform in a Public place and to wait until they are out of the Publics Roving eyes.

Woah woah, i don't do any of the stuff that the OP mentioned, i do have pride when i wear the uniform and you can be thankful that i'm one of those guys, i'm just saying you get the odd troublemaker types who don't really care about the uniform and are just in it to get paid for the Annual Camp and then leave the RDF once Camp is over and never return, those are the types of fellas i'm talking about

TBH mate, you are raising yourself Up here.

I do agree with you about the lads who join for some easy summer cash, but it is better that they leave anyway they are a waste of time and resources. I wish they would at least hand back the Uniforms. (But as I said Earlier After summer camp Halloween is just around the corner.)

You may be representing the DF when in uniform but do you seriously believe that people give a damn about the DF's image, i mean you must see the amount abuse soldiers get at the Curragh from the locals, i remember in last years anuual camp, we got bricked on the way to the Gym, and you say we have a good image. It's the same with come of the guys in the RDF, they don't believe in the whole we need to give a good image of the DF because we're only part timers/

Locals never count when i comes to Public Image because they are, understandably, exasperated by the inconvieniences the DF Cause in their backyard. he Curragh locals have had to deal with it for so long that they are pissed off. (THey went too far with what they did to you but that is the same thing that some Bere Island locals do to recruits during the summer. And Whats worse is that the same night they will come into the Gunners Canteen and act like nothing happened.

However, the Bere Island people do realise that during the Summer months they could Barely stay afloat if it wasn't for the RDF coming down. for a full 8 weeks.

Its what the General Public think of the DF that matters. The ones who know little of the small inconvieniences that the DF cause a small number of people.

Yes we are subjected to army disipline such as you said but not for things like smoking in uniform or taking up the path, i'm morely talking about the points you made in your first post

Well the footpath comment is common courtesy. Go to one side and let whoever past and they will generally think a little higher of the DF.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Riddle101 wrote: »

Yes we are subjected to army disipline such as you said but not for things like smoking in uniform or taking up the path, i'm morely talking about the points you made in your first post

Ahhh, I see.

Well thats something thats not covered by Rules & Regulations, and its not on issue either - its called 'common sense', some people (including some RDF, PDF & members of boards.ie) just need it beat into them

Lockstep

Mairt wrote: »

But do you not think that if the RDF was a little more professional it might attract a more professional type of soldier to fill the ranks of the wasters.

I'd rather see those guys hand back their uniform's and be damned with the numbers.

I'm in agreement here, though I'm still only a recruit.

Mairt wrote: »

You see that brings us back to an earlier thread where I asked why the RDF lads blanked us (PDF) in the dining hall.

ALWAYS myself and the other lads on duty will converse with the RDF guys on the Q for grub, as most of us would be ex- FCA members. But as soon as the RDF lads are served they scurry on over to another part of the dining complex and thats it.

So it would seem this difference is more in the eye of the RDF lads than it is us.

I'm always happy to speak to a PDF, but I've never initiated conversation, general consensus among the guys I know (recruits) is that they're busy enough to be bothering with the likes of us, but it's always appreciated when they talk to us, gives a lot of experience and insight into the DF.

However, I know of one guy who is simply arrogant and ignores the PDF, has a patch which he claims comes from serving abroad in Kosovo. Kept telling me the PDF would kick the sh!te outta him if they saw his patch out of jealousy or something.

steyr fan wrote: »

Head up, shoulders back, look your own height. Be proud of who & what you are and what you represent.

Couldn't agree more. Dunno if anyone else gets this but when I wear the uniform I feel a heightened sense of civic pride and responsability. Many people (especially the elderly) will stop to chat and tell you that they're pleased to see young people doing something positive, also tourists ask for help much easier.I don't know how many Irish people can tell the difference between PDF and RDF but it really puts an extra onus on you to be a shining paragon, as your not only representing the RDF but are usually assumed to be a regular army member.

Borneo Fnctn

Riddle101 wrote: »

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You may be representing the DF when in uniform but do you seriously believe that people give a damn about the DF's image, i mean you must see the amount abuse soldiers get at the Curragh from the locals, i remember in last years anuual camp, we got bricked on the way to the Gym, and you say we have a good image. It's the same with come of the guys in the RDF, they don't believe in the whole we need to give a good image of the DF because we're only part timers/

People might not care about the DF's image but guess who does: THE DF. The DF is entitled to ensure its soldiers are behaving appropriately. You can't possibly dispute this. You are bound by regulations. Like a true politician you replied to my comment with irrelevant opinions and a nice little story.

kkmick

I agree totally with the coments about having respect for your uniform and the DF in general, but i must also say that the PDF can be just as bad, every day in kilkenny at lunchtime you can see PDF personel going into the local eurospar from their cars with no berets on and hands in their pockets, I've been in the fca/rdf for 10 years and the standards have definatly dropped but i blame a lot of this on the amount of training the nco's recieve, when i joined up you needed at least 2 years experience as a 3* before training as a corporal whereas now privates can do their recruit and 3 * training one year and then the corporals course the next year (which is more about marching than any actual useful training) I have actually been on an nco's course where most of the pot's had no tactical training. This lack of training and the age of current junior nco's does not command any respect from recruits/privates,This coupled with the lack of training as a whole does not give a very good outlook for the rdf in my opinion

concussion

kkmick wrote: »

corporals course the next year (which is more about marching than any actual useful training) I have actually been on an nco's course where most of the pot's had no tactical training.

Ha! Where are these courses happening??

the GALL

Without going into it to much a reservist can be brought up on charges while.
1. on goverment property
2. in a military uniform
3. on goverment time