Jumbo jets in Ireland

workaccount

Hi,
Just wondering what Irish airlines use Jumbo jets. I would imagine just aer lingus as there are only three big airlines in Ireland...alingus, ryanair & aer arann.

And what airlines close to use will be using the A380?

Thanks.

TirEoghain

How big does a plane have to be for it to be called a Jumbo jet?

I'm imagining that an Airbus 330 wouldnt be big enough to be called a jumbo. I don't think Aer Lingus have anything bigger, but I'm sure the better informed in here can correct me if that's not the case.

Based on this, I certainly wouldn't expect any Irish airlines to be buying any A380s

workaccount

TirEoghain wrote: »

How big does a plane have to be for it to be called a Jumbo jet?

I'm imagining that an Airbus 330 wouldnt be big enough to be called a jumbo. I don't think Aer Lingus have anything bigger, but I'm sure the better informed in here can correct me if that's not the case.

Based on this, I certainly wouldn't expect any Irish airlines to be buying any A380s

I thought the only plane you could call a jumbo would be the 747 in all it's incarnations. The A380 is being called a super jumbo.

*Kol*

I would reserve the "Jumbo" designator for the B747. Sinapore Airlines fly into London ith the A380 so that would be the closest you will see one to here really. Unless a future A380 airline decides to do crew training in Shannon maybe?

Run_to_da_hills

There is only one jet in the world to deserve the title "Jumbo Jet" and that’s the Boeing 747, unfortunately the gutter press seem to classify anything other than a turbo prop as a "jumbo". There was more Boeing 747's flying into this country 20 years ago than is now and the Irish carriers no longer use them. Most airlines flying out of Ireland are now opting for twin engine A320ies, 757's and Trijets for trans Atlantic routes.

workaccount

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There was more Boeing 747's flying into this country 20 years ago than is now. Most airlines are now opting for twin engine A320ies, 757's and Trijets for trans Atlantic routes.

Why? Less numbers or more economical?

cp251

More economical and rule changes in ETOPS (Extended-range Twin-engine Operational Performance Standards), that allowed twin engine aircraft to operate further away from diversion airports. This being due to the extreme reliability of modern turbine engines.

jjbrien

There is only one regualr 747 visitor to Dublin a Sinagpore Airlines 747 cargo plane

APM

jjbrien wrote: »

There is only one regualr 747 visitor to Dublin a Sinagpore Airlines 747 cargo plane

Unfortunately this doesn't visit any more. Not needed in Dublin these days

workaccount

Jeeez yere making it sound like the jumbo is on the way out....

Biro

workaccount wrote: »

Jeeez yere making it sound like the jumbo is on the way out....

Unfortunately it is though. It's my favourite airliner (apart from the retired concorde!), the A380 just doesn't do it for me. But there are less and less 747's on the go. Still a massive amount of them globally though, just not as many here. 777's are replacing them. A330's and A340's also. The new 787 will also replace them (dreamliner). I think the A380 won't sell in anywhere near the same numbers that the 747 did in it's life. The A350 will be Airbus's plane of the near future, which I reckon will also outsell their A380.

Run_to_da_hills

There is a regular white coloured Air France cargo Jumbo at Shannon, not sure of its timing also I have seen an Evergreen tanker 747 there on a few occasions.

workaccount

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There is a regular white coloured Air France cargo Jumbo at Shannon, not sure of its timing also I have seen an Evergreen tanker 747 there on a few occasions.

Wow. Never knew they could use a plane like a jumbo to firefight....Amazing....that ability to fly slowly really is ideal for such a situation. http://youtube.com/watch?v=KvBRWTumoZI&feature=related

ch252

a380 crews do training in EINN, along with many airliner crews, when I was up in the tower there was a lufthansa plane doing training, and another doing testing as it was just out from a service.

workaccount

darragh-k wrote: »

a380 crews do training in EINN, along with many airliner crews, when I was up in the tower there was a lufthansa plane doing training, and another doing testing as it was just out from a service.

So do these A380's fly to Shannon especially for this purpose?

ch252

Yea on occasion, I seen a pic before, Ill get it later and post it, the atco there was telling me about them also at the time.

Its not an irish airline though, just an a380 in testing

*Kol*

darragh-k wrote: »

Yea on occasion, I seen a pic before, Ill get it later and post it, the atco there was telling me about them also at the time.

Its not an irish airline though, just an a380 in testing

Was the Airbus test aircraft.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=55254476&postcount=33

highlydebased

http://shannonairportenthusiasts.net/photos/displayimage.php?pos=-370 few more photos there

The only regular 747 service into ireland is the Air France Cargo AFR6457 ORD-DUB-CDG. It used to operate through Shannon.

Other than that there are no other 747's into Ireland regularly

No plans either for any airline to operate the A380 in Ireland- Shannon is the only airport that is A380 capable but would not make much commercial sense to operate it there for pax services. runway in Dublin is too short for it to carry any useful load

amen

i believe knock is also A380 capable

workaccount

amen wrote: »

i believe knock is also A380 capable

I know that there were upgrades done to that runway a few years ago but maybe it was just lights they upgraded.

Surprised to hear that knock's runway is better than Dublins.

Do shannon and Dublin just have one runway each?

Steyr

workaccount wrote: »

Hi,
Just wondering what Irish airlines use Jumbo jets. I would imagine just aer lingus as there are only three big airlines in Ireland...alingus, ryanair & aer arann.

Aerlingus stopped using them years ago no Irish Airline uses them now.

Steyr

APM wrote: »

Unfortunately this doesn't visit any more. Not needed in Dublin these days

Are you sure as i snapped her at EIDW not too long ago.

Melion

The Air France cargo 747 doesnt come into SNN anymore, stopped late last year IIRC. There is often an Evergreen 747 up there though, not as often as it used to be. I was working the day the a380 came in, what a sight it was. It touched down and then pulled straight back up again and banked off to the right, crazy to see it so close.

highlydebased

Melion wrote: »

The Air France cargo 747 doesnt come into SNN anymore, stopped late last year IIRC. There is often an Evergreen 747 up there though, not as often as it used to be. I was working the day the a380 came in, what a sight it was. It touched down and then pulled straight back up again and banked off to the right, crazy to see it so close.

As I previously stated it only started operating into dublin at most 2 months ago following the retreat of Singapore cargo

Run_to_da_hills

What about the AN124's These used to be a regular part of the furniture in Shannon and almost as big as the 747 Cargo.

Steyr

Melion wrote: »

The Air France cargo 747 doesnt come into SNN anymore, stopped late last year IIRC.

Are you sure as i snapped her in Jan or Feb i think? ? Il have a look at my piccies for the date, the AN124's still come into EINN but not as much as they used to.

Fabio

Why did Aer Lingus discontinue their service on the 747?

Steyr

Fabio wrote: »

Why did Aer Lingus discontinue their service on the 747?

Didnt they decide on an all Airbus fleet being economical etc?

Captain Chaos

That and the 747s they had were the old 100 or 200 series.

Run_to_da_hills

Fabio wrote: »

Why did Aer Lingus discontinue their service on the 747?

Aer Lingus made a stupid mistake having that Shannon stop over, It took decades off the life of these planes. The service life on an aircraft is based on the amount of landings and take offs along with the amount of hours put up. If Aer Lingus didn't stop off at Shannon they could probably be still be using some of these planes. The 747 is by far the preferred plane by most long haul pilots I know in ways of comfort, reliability and safety.

Davidth88

I don't think it was EI's choice to have the SNN stopover was it ?

There seems to be less and less 747's around , the only place I have seen loads recently was in Tokyo when I was there .

Who buys a 747-400 nowadays ?

I think the reliabilty/power of engines is such that you don't often need 4 engines . Saying that the A340 is really nice , I was on a VS one a few times ( upper class once ) and it was true class , the IFE system makes the ones on the EI aircraft look like a sick joke.

Do C5's ever stop in SNN ? , are the USAF still using them ?

Biro

Aer Lingus were "advised" to buy European. "advised" with a finacnial incentive! Very democratic! Hence the cut ties with Beoing.
They were running all 747-100 series. Never had 200's.
@ workaccount - Dublin has 2 runways, Shannon one. (I think there's a small 2nd one in Shannon, from what I remember in Flight Sim!)

workaccount

Biro wrote: »

Aer Lingus were "advised" to buy European. "advised" with a finacnial incentive! Very democratic! Hence the cut ties with Beoing.
They were running all 747-100 series. Never had 200's.
@ workaccount - Dublin has 2 runways, Shannon one. (I think there's a small 2nd one in Shannon, from what I remember in Flight Sim!)

I was surprised to hear recently that Charles de Gaulle in Paris has only one runway. Is this correct?

IRLConor

workaccount wrote: »

I was surprised to hear recently that Charles de Gaulle in Paris has only one runway. Is this correct?

Wikipedia says 4:

Orientation|Length (ft)|Length (m)|Surface
08L/26R|13,829ft|4,215m|Asphalt
08R/26L|8,858ft|2,700m|Concrete
09L/27R|8,858ft|2,700m|Asphalt
09R/27L|13,780ft|4,200m|Asphalt

FunkyDa

Spotted in Dublin, today.

workaccount

Does anyone know of any good photography books depicting airplanes and/or helicopters?

I found it quite strange that amazon has little.

Steyr

workaccount wrote: »

Does anyone know of any good photography books depicting airplanes and/or helicopters?

I found it quite strange that amazon has little.

Go into Easons or Charlie Byrnes Bookshop in the Cornstore, as your in Galway if you like PM me and il meet you and give you some Air Corps material if you like!

jucylucy

Gents,
just because you don't see the aircraft in Dublin dose not mean that there is not another big Irish airline!!!!! Air Contractors is a big Irish airline....16ATRs & 1 Herc and soon will have 3 x B747 -200 freighters on it's AOC. They also have 5 A300s leased to DHL also!

Steyr

1st post and all and its in our forum! Jucylucy welcome!

Run_to_da_hills

jucylucy wrote: »

Gents,
just because you don't see the aircraft in Dublin dose not mean that there is not another big Irish airline!!!!! Air Contractors is a big Irish airline....16ATRs & 1 Herc and soon will have 3 x B747 -200 freighters on it's AOC. They also have 5 A300s leased to DHL also!

Looking at their fleet size, they almost have as many planes as Aer Lingus ! :eek:

http://www.aircontractors.com/detail.aspx?page=Fleet

benbulbin

Ireland West airport had a couple of 747 charters in over the years. Someone put a few pics on Flickr of a flight to South Africa in 2003.

Steyr

Good stuff, thanks for sharing.

Melion

Steyr wrote: »

Are you sure as i snapped her in Jan or Feb i think? ? Il have a look at my piccies for the date, the AN124's still come into EINN but not as much as they used to.

I left my job in SNN in Mid-February and it had stopped by then. Id guess at either December or early January

Biro

I heard a rumour before that a charter flight were using a 747 running from Knock, so I e-mailed them to make sure. Confirmed that it was a 747. Went to Knock to see it, but alas - it was a 767. Still impressive in Knock, but nothing like a 747. If anyone knows of one going into Knock, post up a thread here!

highlydebased

Melion wrote: »

I left my job in SNN in Mid-February and it had stopped by then. Id guess at either December or early January

February sounds about right- I am certain it was not last year at any rate

ImDave

Anybody know who operates the 747 into Dublin sometimes. The two last times I stayed in Bewleys overlooking the airport I could see what looked to be a white 747 parked around where the EI A330's are parked. Both times was around 2AM when it appeared and it was gone when I woke up around 6AM.

wittymoniker

probably 'dubai 1', maktoum is a regular over here to buy horses.