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Scotland's Shame

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    :D:D:D

    Thank you for your eggsellent contribution!! :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    lets hope the Celtic fans don't scramble it.

    I do hope Ceuellar gets poached by an English side during the summer.

    Cuellar aint going nowhere, im sure he will Soldier on for us next year.

    Time to put uncle davie into retirement though, he is looking particularly fried.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Cuellar aint going nowhere, im sure he will Soldier on for us next year.

    Time to put uncle davie into retirement though, he is looking particularly fried.

    Either way, its an eggciting end to the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Have we ever went this many posts withou an argument?
    Eggstraordinary! :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Have we ever went this many posts withou an argument?
    Eggstraordinary! :p

    So long as no-one mentions Benedict.....

    Got to go the battery on my laptop is running low

    :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭Pal


    Rangers should voluntarily withdraw from European competion next season before they are banned. Alternatively they should voluntarily play their home European games next year behind closed doors and accept no away tickets from opponents.

    This would go some way towards restoring some self respect to a club that is widely reviled.

    What these so called 'people' did in Manchester was atrocious. There must be accountability and they should hold themselves to account.

    I won't hold my breath.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    Pal wrote: »
    Rangers should voluntarily withdraw from European competion next season before they are banned. Alternatively they should voluntarily play their home European games next year behind closed doors and accept no away tickets from opponents.

    This would go some way towards restoring some self respect to a club that is widely reviled.

    What these so called 'people' did in Manchester was atrocious. There must be accountability and they should hold themselves to account.

    I won't hold my breath.

    tis all very easy to say that, but excessive measures could easily turn a minority into a majority. imagine not letting fans into see their own team? add a bit of alcohol and i'd say there would be a disturbance 99% of the time for any club.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭scruff321


    thats rangers filth for ya!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    scruff321 wrote: »
    thats rangers filth for ya!


    Very well constructed point:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    scruff321 wrote: »
    thats rangers filth for ya!

    13 pages of discussion and debate. and all we needed was you.
    Thanks for that! (Insert old rolls eyes smiley here)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    scruff321 banned.



    kdjac


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Did that leave him with egg on his face?!:p


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭lordgoat


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Did that leave him with egg on his face?!:p


    Just wondering Eire, do you think the football team (rangers) deserve some form of punishment? If so what would you think fair.

    It truly was a horrible night for football and i was really sorry to hear about the treatment you and your wife received. This bigotry and pseudo-nationalism/patriotism pisses me off. In all fairness what satisfaction does anyone get out of calling someone protestant or catholic? (Prob the wrong place to deal with this question!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    lordgoat wrote: »
    Just wondering Eire, do you think the football team (rangers) deserve some form of punishment? If so what would you think fair.

    It truly was a horrible night for football and i was really sorry to hear about the treatment you and your wife received. This bigotry and pseudo-nationalism/patriotism pisses me off. In all fairness what satisfaction does anyone get out of calling someone protestant or catholic? (Prob the wrong place to deal with this question!)

    I'll tackle the easy part of that first, Myself and the Mrs are fine, i dont have a number for the other fella (hes a mate of a mate) so i need to try and get hold of him before i figure out how i feel about it. Thanks for the sympathy though.

    For me the problem that happened to us, was carried out by the EXACT same sort of people as the scum who caused the trouble in Manchester, utter louts who's only reason for attaching themselves to a team is that they are an excuse for hatred and violence.

    As for Rangers being punished, i really dont know.
    On one hand, if it was any other team I wouldnt be as sympathetic, I wouldnt have heard as many stories from friends and family who went down there and had a great time, i would only believe the sensationalism and scandalization from the media.

    On the other hand, this was reportedly the biggest movement of people for a football match in Britain, with some reports suggesting as high as 250,000.
    I would suggest it was around 150-175,000.
    GMC and the GMP must take some blame in this, as they had prepared for no more than 90,000.

    I also dont see what UEFA could hold the club culpable for, its not a breakdown in club security or even in the vicinity of the game, so i would say they are powerless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    ziggy wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    Really?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    IMO I personally dont think it will be up to Rangers to provide their own punishment as I believe UEFA will hand out some sort of ban.

    Also as a Celtic fan who's been to Seville, Liverpool, Blackburn, Milan last year and Barca this year I have to say that our fans behave impeccably away from home. In milan when we were walking out of the San Siro (after we lost :mad:) we got a guard of honour from milan supporters and stewards. In Barca there was a huge police presence throughout the city as Rangers had caused a lot of damage when they were there a couple of months before and the square at the top of Las Ramblas was completely closed off to the public. The police soon learned however that Celtic fans were just there for a party and after a couple of days were more than happy to pose with supporters for pix etc.

    I also believe that because Rangers have caused trouble away from home, it spurs celtic supporters to not cause any trouble as "we dont want to be like them uns" At the fanzone in barca there were green t-shirts being handed out with with like a no litter symbol on it. With "Celtic Fans keeping barca tidy, whoever wins on the pitch we cant lose off it" written on them.

    I do feel genuinely sorry for proper Rangers supporters like Eirebear etc, as I personally believe that the kind of scenes that were witnessed on Weds are not instigated by true Scottish Rangers Supporters. I believe that some of the trouble is started by English football hooligans who just attach themselves to Rangers for whatever reason. Not sure if anyone has ever seen that documentary where Donal Macintyre went undercover with some london hooligans and they also supported Rangers, simply for the trouble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,454 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    UEFA cannot hand out a ban based on the riots in Manchester as they have no jurisdiction outside the stadium. Even in the stadium, UEFA have said they will not take any action following the Rangers fans stabbing the Zenit fan. I do not belive Bain & Co who claim that the rioters were not Rangers fans.

    Dion Fanny in todays Independent explains away the behaviour by claiming it is not surprising considering the big screen failed and the chaps were drinking!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    allybhoy wrote: »
    . I believe that some of the trouble is started by English football hooligans who just attach themselves to Rangers for whatever reason. Not sure if anyone has ever seen that documentary where Donal Macintyre went undercover with some london hooligans and they also supported Rangers, simply for the trouble.


    No evidence to suggest that. I did see the doucumenary though some years ago that you refer to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    No evidence to suggest that. I did see the doucumenary though some years ago that you refer to

    Well is that documentary not evidence in itself?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    allybhoy wrote: »
    Well is that documentary not evidence in itself?


    Regarding last Wednesday, nope.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    allybhoy wrote: »
    I do feel genuinely sorry for proper Rangers supporters like Eirebear etc, as I personally believe that the kind of scenes that were witnessed on Weds are not instigated by true Scottish Rangers Supporters. I believe that some of the trouble is started by English football hooligans who just attach themselves to Rangers for whatever reason. Not sure if anyone has ever seen that documentary where Donal Macintyre went undercover with some london hooligans and they also supported Rangers, simply for the trouble.

    so because they are English they can't be Rangers fans? Do you have to be Scottish to support Celtic as well or does that not count. Having said that i totally agree, everyone should support their local team, or at least one in their own country?;)

    There is absolutely no evidence to support what you are saying, you are making excuses for Scotish football and these thugs that claim to be Rangers fans?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭guinnessdrinker


    Everyone knows the majority of Rangers fans did not cause trouble. There was supposed to have been 100,000 of them there after all.

    The problem for Rangers is that because a relatively small number of their fans went crazy in Manchester on Wedensday, they are all going to be tarred with the same brush. It will be reported as "Rangers fans cause mayhem in Manchester", while the majority of them of course didn't.

    I still think that video of the mob of Rangers fans attacking the lone policeman was truely sickening to the stomach and I do think that the Rangers club itself should be punished.

    Incidently I seen the policeman in that infamous video being interviewed on Friday on tv, thankfully he is ok apart from being shaken from the experience.
    As horrifying to watch as it was, some of the other policemen in Manchester came off worse than him last Wednesday night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Everyone knows the majority of Rangers fans did not cause trouble. There was supposed to have been 100,000 of them there after all.

    The problem for Rangers is that because a relatively small number of their fans went crazy in Manchester on Wedensday, they are all going to be tarred with the same brush. It will be reported as "Rangers fans cause mayhem in Manchester", while the majority of them of course didn't.

    I still think that video of the mob of Rangers fans attacking the lone policeman was truely sickening to the stomach and I do think that the Rangers club itself should be punished.

    Incidently I seen the policeman in that infamous video being interviewed on Friday on tv, thankfully he is ok apart from being shaken from the experience.
    As horrifying to watch as it was, some of the other policemen in Manchester came off worse than him last Wednesday night.

    welcome to the world of an English football fan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    so because they are English they can't be Rangers fans? Do you have to be Scottish to support Celtic as well or does that not count. Having said that i totally agree, everyone should support their local team, or at least one in their own country?;)

    There is absolutely no evidence to support what you are saying, you are making excuses for Scotish football and these thugs that claim to be Rangers fans?

    Well in this case (documentary) they didnt support Rangers, they supported West Ham i think, they just put on a Rangers jersey and went to an away game and caused mayhem. Im not excusing Scottish Rangers supporters in any of this, nor am I saying that they werent involved in any of the trouble that went on, on weds. Im simply pointing out that Rangers attract a lot of scumbags who arent neccassarily interested in football. Kind of like what happens with Celtic Supporters over here in Dublin. For wearing a celtic jersey etc your automatically (in some peoples eyes) seen to be a scumbag


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