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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Chong


    Let me just state, my thread asking the question above was deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Willstev wrote: »
    Fair enough then T4TF I will give it more meaning in its own thread.
    'Ask T4TF'

    Lulz, good try.

    PMs Willstev, use them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,496 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Willstev wrote: »
    Let me just state, my thread asking the question above was deleted.

    Credit where it's due. It was pretty damn quick. Spent ten seconds in another thread and came out and it was gone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    Sherifu wrote: »
    'Ask T4TF'

    Lulz, good try.

    PMs Willstev, use them.
    You want to ask me a question then do so via pm, this is not a personal message forum Will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Chong


    You want to ask me a question then do so via pm, this is not a personal message forum Will.
    Done!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭StickyMcGinty


    Willstev wrote: »
    If your team today were in the same situation as Man U, won the league, the ref has a bad game, and your rival fans came on here and did nothing but whinge about how the Ref was terrible , what would you say ?

    i'd expect it. this soccer forum is full of be-grudgers, whiners and wind up merchants from every club.

    Liverpool win the champions league = cue some united fans saying they were lucky

    United win the league = cue some pool fans saying they were lucky

    if chelsea win the champions league = cue some united fans "its only the league that matters, europe should only be a bonus etc etc"

    i still use this place because there are some excellent posts from excellent boardsies, but the amount of be-grudgery on here is just typical of the irish attitude


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    BTW, for some reason PHB has recently removed that quote from his sig ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,496 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    i'd expect it. this soccer forum is full of be-grudgers, whiners and wind up merchants from every club.

    Liverpool win the champions league = cue some united fans saying they were lucky I'll admit that in 2005, Liverpool's game and style of play really suited the Champions' League and they deserved to get to the final - what happened in Istanbul I'll not mention

    United win the league = cue some pool fans saying they were lucky There is no way on earth anyone can say United were lucky, best team, simple as
    if chelsea win the champions league = cue some united fans "its only the league that matters, europe should only be a bonus etc etc" Praying it won't happen
    i still use this place because there are some excellent posts from excellent boardsies, but the amount of be-grudgery on here is just typical of the irish attitude

    Having said all that, I'm a United fan and I care about what United do and win...couldn't relaly give a rat's arse what any other team does unless we're playing them or they're in the title race with United.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭StickyMcGinty


    Collie D wrote: »
    Having said all that, I'm a United fan and I care about what United do and win...couldn't relaly give a rat's arse what any other team does unless we're playing them or they're in the title race with United.

    thats what i'm getting at - thats the attitude to have.

    if you win the league, or any other competition for that matter, your the best team. simple as that. if any other club thinks differently, then they have the next year to try and take it off them :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    And the one after that and the one after that and the one after that if you support the team I do.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    nipplenuts wrote: »
    You know the one, about the PL not being won on penalties.

    Every time I see it it half amuses me and half reminds me of how much I despise the mindset of so many Man U fans, and therefore the club itself (Id like them like anyone else if it wasnt for the Ingerlandism so many Irish fans subscribe to whilst bizarrely hating the England national team at the same time)

    Just sayin........


  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shane86 wrote: »
    Every time I see it it half amuses me and half reminds me of how much I despise the mindset of so many Man U fans, and therefore the club itself (Id like them like anyone else if it wasnt for the Ingerlandism so many Irish fans subscribe to whilst bizarrely hating the England national team at the same time)

    Just sayin........

    U do realise that most Manc fans, ie the ones who got to games etc, despise the England national team??


    Hence the "Republik of Mancunia" banner in the Stretford End?? Or the Ronaldo song? Or the "Argentina" chant for Tevez? etc etc



    Well in with your research though!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    That is not the case Neil, I have been at games in Mancunia many many times and in fact Ronaldo was booed on his return after his winking after the Rooney booking.

    Having worked in Manchester for a couple of years I also know many many Manchester fans from Manchester and they are ardent england fans, well done on your research mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,496 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    That is not the case Neil, I have been at games in Mancunia many many times and in fact Ronaldo was booed on his return after his winking after the Rooney booking.

    Having worked in Manchester for a couple of years I also know many many Manchester fans from Manchester and they are ardent england fans, well done on your research mind.

    I assume you haven't been in many Manchester pubs before United games (unless you're like Robert Carlyle's character in The 51st State) but Stand Up if you Hate England is a popular tune. Obvioulsy not everyone but there is a large anti-England element among the United support (and I am referring to the homegrown locals here)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    I worked with the homegrown locals and while I would not go to games I often spent nights in pubs with some of my mates who had not got tickets when I was pulling a late one and it was too late to head home. I have heard that song on occasion but not even a quarter of the anti english sentiment that you and Neil are maintaining exists on this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,496 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    I worked with the homegrown locals and while I would not go to games I often spent nights in pubs with some of my mates who had not got tickets when I was pulling a late one and it was too late to head home. I have heard that song on occasion but not even a quarter of the anti english sentiment that you and Neil are maintaining exists on this thread.

    Once again you have picked me up on one thing and imply that I'm going on about. I maintain nothing, I merely stated a fact. I also pointed out that it was not a majority. Read posts before you pick them apart please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    There's plenty of anti-English sentiment within the Man United support and the majority of United fans rallied behind Ronaldo as they did for Beckham when the press and other fans turned on him.

    There aren't many 'Englanders' who would chant 'Argentina'. That is obvious. In fact, that's a chant that winds up many of the Englanders from other teams' supporters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭Predhead


    What are you talking about Will. This thread was started by somebody else saying that United only gave away one penalty all season in the prem. That pen was against another one of the big 4, and I said that there was no conspiracy. I assume that this is not what you are referring to on this thread ? I do not think that your post has much relevance on this thread about something entirely different TBH but please feel free to show me the error of my ways.

    If you're so concerned how come you haven't mentioned the fact that Everton have only been awarded one peno all season. That one actually came today as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    U do realise that most Manc fans, ie the ones who got to games etc, despise the England national team??


    Hence the "Republik of Mancunia" banner in the Stretford End?? Or the Ronaldo song? Or the "Argentina" chant for Tevez? etc etc



    Well in with your research though!!

    Why the **** do they despise their own national team? If I were English Id probably despise the cockyness of alot of my fellow supporters and the media overhyping our chances, but why would I hate the team? Thats another reason Ive regarded them as a bunch of jokers, the "made England look sh1te" chant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭Predhead


    shane86 wrote: »
    Why the **** do they despise their own national team? If I were English Id probably despise the cockyness of alot of my fellow supporters and the media overhyping our chances, but why would I hate the team? Thats another reason Ive regarded them as a bunch of jokers, the "made England look sh1te" chant.


    They don't hate the team. That's absolute rubbish. I know firsthand. Don't take everything at face value. That chant is in jest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,496 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    shane86 wrote: »
    Why the **** do they despise their own national team? If I were English Id probably despise the cockyness of alot of my fellow supporters and the media overhyping our chances, but why would I hate the team? Thats another reason Ive regarded them as a bunch of jokers, the "made England look sh1te" chant.

    There are reasons. A couple below

    1. United are the team they support week in week out. You'll see a lot of the EL fans on here wouldn't exactl be massive Ireland fans either but that's a different thread.

    2. Stand up if you Hate Man U was a regular feature of the England fans' repertoire

    3. The shocking crap that David Beckham had to put up with after France 98


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    I did not start the thread Pred, did you read the post you quoted ? And I am willing to bet that you only found out a few minutes ago that Everton have only had one pen given (although that is completely different to the topic of this thread)


    And Collie, here are a couple of quotes for ya

    "U do realise that most Manc fans, ie the ones who got to games etc, despise the England national team??"
    Collie D wrote: »
    I assume you haven't been in many Manchester pubs before United games wrong (unless you're like Robert Carlyle's character in The 51st State wrong ) but Stand Up if you Hate England is a popular tune That may well be the case but I have heard it infrequently and I have probably been in many of thos pubs more than you have . Obvioulsy not everyone but there is a large anti-England element among United support and I maintain that you are misrepresenting the truth, when you say large do you mean 1 in 2, 3, 4, 5, 100 ? (and I am referring to the homegrown locals here)

    seems that predhead agrees with me on this one too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭The Sparrow


    Am I the only one who is bemused by all of this Manc/ Scouse/ insert your own ridiculous English stereotype??

    Tonight T4TF's posts have pissed many ppl off but besides the obvious, his constant references to Manchester Utd fans as mancs has pissed me off. And I know Utd fans call Liverpool fans sousers too.

    This is primarily an Irish board I would have thought. Perhaps I am wrong but there are probably not that many mancs or scousers posting here. Is it that hard to type "Liverpool Fans" or "Man Utd Fans"??

    /rant over


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    Blloody hell woo, it is just a shortening of the word Mancunian or Manchester United depending on the context and is a whole lot quicker to type that Manchester United fan (although if the abbreviation police are about perhaps I should type fanatic)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,496 ✭✭✭✭Collie D



    And Collie, here are a couple of quotes for ya

    "U do realise that most Manc fans, ie the ones who got to games etc, despise the England national team??"

    Well that's a misquote for a start as I never actually said that


    seems that predhead agrees with me on this one too.

    As for the rest of it I said I assume. Go check your dictionary for the definition of assume. You honestly can't expect me to know your drinking habits and haunts? You're just being ridiculous now. I said that that particular song is sung quite regularly and I stand by it, regardless of what you think. You have not made one vaild argument in this thread but instead shoot down what everyone else has to say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    Collie D wrote: »
    As for the rest of it I said I assume. Go check your dictionary for the definition of assume. You honestly can't expect me to know your drinking habits and haunts? You're just being ridiculous now. I said that that particular song is sung quite regularly and I stand by it, regardless of what you think. You have not made one vaild argument in this thread but instead shoot down what everyone else has to say.


    I never suggested you did say that, I put your post on there with your name on it so you could not miss it. And what is your issue with me putting to bed some of the completely baseless assumptions you have made ? And as for having a valid argument, surely you will agree with my first statement on this thread that there is no conspiracy to prevent pens against Man U.


  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That is not the case Neil, I have been at games in Mancunia many many times and in fact Ronaldo was booed on his return after his winking after the Rooney booking.

    Having worked in Manchester for a couple of years I also know many many Manchester fans from Manchester and they are ardent england fans, well done on your research mind.

    LOL u never cease to amaze me. First of all my "research" is attending United games, reading United fansites and drinking in United pubs in Manchester as well as talking to Manc ST holders but sure u know better.


    Also nice one making up the boo'ing of Ronaldo on his return! ;) The game u are referring to, was the home game against Fulham where the first time he got the ball the Fulham section boo'ed which was heard for all of 2 seconds before the entire gorund cheered him which continued all game. I was looking out for it at the time and a lot of my mates were at it.


    And for the record, any reason of contempt United fans had for Ronaldo was because of his public comments about wanting to leave, not because of his involvement in Rooneys sending off. Gary Neville said before that he never used to cheer the England national team. England matches regularly hear the chant "Stand up if u ahte Man U" and at the Bishops Blaize or the Trafford Bar u are gonna get at least one round of "Stand Up if u hate England" before every single game.


    Source:


    http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/mufc-songs-opposition.htm#england

    The hatred between Manchester United and England fans is an unusual one that isn't often reported. Despite the fact over half of the national team also play for the reds, England fans still barrack and abuse them. Fans with those appalling St.George's Cross Man 'U' flags at Old Trafford are frowned upon with die-hard Reds and anti-England songs are heard at most games. The reason for this rivalry is unclear - sure, United fans have never been patriotic (hence The Republic Of Mancunia), and United away trips to Europe often involve parties with the opposition's fans (especially with the Germans - although this goes unreported). England fans, over the years, however prefer to riot and fight their way around Europe which has resulted in the English getting a name for themselves, so when United do travel to the likes of Roma, the dodgy Italian police think, "here's another English hooligan, let's give them a good belting!" Yes, United fans aren't all angels but the majority are there for the game. England fans have a hardcore of nutters who either boo or slag their team off when times are tough, throw tables and chairs in the town squares, and generally give the English, a nasty reputation. The fact that England are followed by the likes Manchester City and Bolton fans (fans from clubs who never win anything), fuels the hatred towards the national team from a large section of Reds. The away teams who come to Old Trafford have been quick to sing anti-Beckham and anti-Rooney songs, even though when they play for England, they suddenly become heroes. Beckham got death threats when he got sent off in the World Cup for England, whereas United fans stood by him. Obviously the most recent United player to get the abuse is Ronaldo after his incident with Rooney in the World Cup - the cheeky wink and winning penalty. Although Rooney and Ronaldo are close pals, England fans and United's rivals will always use that incident against Ronaldo, whereas United fans adore him even more due to the Portugal v England game. With Gabrielle Heinze playing in the United shirt, it's another opportunity for United fans to sing anti-England songs, as the defender from Argentina is a hero at the club, and obviously, England fans hate Argentina as they continue to sing about the Faulklands.



    Of course...u know better.



    And for the record, my Dads mate, a Liverpool fan and season ticket holder, told him that Liverpool fans and United fans have one thing they agree on, they dont support the English national team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,496 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    And as for having a valid argument, surely you will agree with my first statement on this thread that there is no conspiracy to prevent pens against Man U.

    Oh here we go again. Screw it, I'm happy, my team have won. I'm off to bed, you're not gonna piss me off. Tomorrow get up and listen to this rubbish again from my workmates but I shall care even less because most of them will be handing over wads of cash


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭Predhead


    Collie D wrote: »
    Oh here we go again. Screw it, I'm happy, my team have won. I'm off to bed, you're not gonna piss me off. Tomorrow get up and listen to this rubbish again from my workmates but I shall care even less because most of them will be handing over wads of cash


    You're not happy, you're bitter. And it's obvious.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,496 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Predhead wrote: »
    You're not happy, you're bitter. And it's obvious.

    Believe me, I'm not. I've heard this type of diatribe over and over again. Go back a page and read the bit where I said I couldn't give a toss about other teams. This is where I differ from Thanx 4 the Fish. Bitter about what, exactly. He has not given one convincing argument.


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