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Relegated players

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,250 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    i think doyle will move hes too good for the championship, he didnt score in a struggling side but its not as if they had anyone else banging them in

    he is strong, has a decent touch, is brave and good in the air, i reckon the better a team he is with the better he will be,

    id actually love to see how hed get on at a really big club


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Mad_Max wrote: »
    As a premiership player? Not yet. Needs time before he makes the step back up. He stood out because he was in a really really bad team.

    they said the same about ashley young tho

    barnes is definitely capable to follow youngs footsteps, hopefully at villa too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,913 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Cyrus wrote: »
    i think doyle will move hes too good for the championship, he didnt score in a struggling side but its not as if they had anyone else banging them in

    he is strong, has a decent touch, is brave and good in the air, i reckon the better a team he is with the better he will be,

    id actually love to see how hed get on at a really big club

    Maybe Barca will get him in to replace 'Dinho...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Cyrus wrote: »
    i think doyle will move hes too good for the championship, he didnt score in a struggling side but its not as if they had anyone else banging them in

    he is strong, has a decent touch, is brave and good in the air, i reckon the better a team he is with the better he will be,

    id actually love to see how hed get on at a really big club

    At a really big club he'd be on the bench a lot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,575 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    All this talk about whether Doyle will stay or not. Will anybody even want a 6 goal striker in the prem next season outside of Stoke City?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Mad_Max


    Helix wrote: »
    they said the same about ashley young tho

    barnes is definitely capable to follow youngs footsteps, hopefully at villa too

    Fair point. Well obviously his knee injury at the very least is going to delay any movement but I still think he needs time. Ashely young was a massive gamble especially at the price tag and has only really started to flourish this year. Giles would be a bigger risk imo but maybe with the right club/manager it might work who am i to say :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    dsmythy wrote: »
    All this talk about whether Doyle will stay or not. Will anybody even want a 6 goal striker in the prem next season outside of Stoke City?

    Stoke / the team promoted via the playoffs / maybe one of the teams who flirted with relegation this year and could do with some cheapish help up front like Bolton or Wigan.

    He's getting a favorable assessment here because he is an Irish player on an Irish soccer forum and people remember the fact that he had a great season when Reading got promoted from the championship - and was decent enough last year in a team that was clicking. When the chips were down this season (particularly since Christmas) he's offered little.

    As an Irish fan I would prefer to see our strikers playing regularly each week and banging them in at the championship level - rather than in and out of a team and struggling for form at the premiership level. I think a player coming in to the national side from the former scenario performs better.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    I think Kenny Miller might get a move from Derby. Not a bad player


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    I could see a mid table team taking Harper from Reading.

    Derby I cannot seeing any Prem team buyiong any of their players apart from Barnes as a few clubs had been sniffing around him for over a year now. But maybe they will wait see how he recovers from this injury first.

    Birmingham again have no players that stand out too much. McFadden and Zarate do but I dont think McFadden can leave till after Jan 2009 in anyways.

    Zarate isn't even on their books so not really their player.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    I think Kenny Miller might get a move from Derby. Not a bad player

    Back to Scotland imo.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    think i heard Rangers want to take him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    By the way, I think this thread highlights why the three teams that went down did go down.

    If Sunderland had been relegated there would have been genuine interest in the likes of Jones, Reid and Richardson. Bolton have Diouf (who is going) and Nolan. Boro have Huth, Downing and Aliadiere. Wigan have Heskey and Sharner. Fulham would have seen interest in Bullard and Dempsey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,250 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    dsmythy wrote: »
    All this talk about whether Doyle will stay or not. Will anybody even want a 6 goal striker in the prem next season outside of Stoke City?

    okay here are some players who scored less (i know some were injured but still)

    Saha 5
    Aliadiere 5
    Sheva 5
    Voronin 5
    Crouch 5
    Bentdner 5
    Heskey 4

    i think the converse on doyle, people are being overly critical because he is irish.

    I think he will get a move and one to a bigger club that stoke, and i couldnt see him costing less than 3.5m


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    By the way, I think this thread highlights why the three teams that went down did go down.

    If Sunderland had been relegated there would have been genuine interest in the likes of Jones, Reid and Richardson. Bolton have Diouf (who is going) and Nolan. Boro have Huth, Downing and Aliadiere. Wigan have Heskey and Sharner. Fulham would have seen interest in Bullard and Dempsey.

    QFT^^^^

    with the possible except of reading who'll have interest in Hunt,Doyle,Harper,Shorey


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    IMO Doyle would do well at sunderland - a good kick up the arse is all that fella needs, he's a good player but got lost in his own glory.

    Hunt is a standout player but he doesn't have a lot 'up-top' he needs a club that he can play without using too much brain power!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Cyrus wrote: »
    okay here are some players who scored less (i know some were injured but still)

    Saha 5
    Aliadiere 5
    Sheva 5
    Voronin 5
    Crouch 5
    Bentdner 5
    Heskey 4

    i think the converse on doyle, people are being overly critical because he is irish.

    I think he will get a move and one to a bigger club that stoke, and i couldnt see him costing less than 3.5m

    Saha: had less than 20 league appearances total I think
    Sheva: Can point to a career which stands up to the highest scrutiny. Will be shipped back to a top four Italian side;
    Voronin: Fewer appearances than Doyle. I don't rate him though - but I don't think Doyle is that much better tbh;
    Crouch: fewer appearances than Doyle. More impact in games he didn't score in;
    Bentdner: Doyle is probably on a par if not better. Agreed;
    Heskey: Heskey provides a general impact and leads the line much better from the games I have seen. However as I said - I think if Doyle was to go somewhere Wigan would be one of the teams who could be interested;


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    loyatemu wrote: »
    re Derby - while the club have no doubt made a pile of cash from their season stinking out the PL, promotion has turned out to be a real poisoned chalice for the players (and indeed Billy Davies).

    Jewell was on MOTD last night saying that most of the players were not fit to wear the shirt and wouldn't be playing for him again - ouch! So in return for overachieving and winning promotion last season, they've enjoyed a season of humiliation followed by the sack.

    Good point, and it only proves that there's no use coming up to the premier league unless you're ready for it, and more importantly willing to spend a few quid to ensure you stay there. They also made the point on MOTD that Sunderland spent 40 million+ and still only just dodged relegation, yet the money they spent on the likes of Reid and Jones probably saved them in the end.

    In light of Derby's experience this season you'd have to worry for the likes of Hull or Bristol City in the premier league. They could be way out of their depth. Hull lost 13 games in the championship, Bristol City 12. Without significant additions to the squad it's a cast iron certainty they'd go straight back down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭Necronomicon


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    By the way, I think this thread highlights why the three teams that went down did go down.

    If Sunderland had been relegated there would have been genuine interest in the likes of Jones, Reid and Richardson. Bolton have Diouf (who is going) and Nolan. Boro have Huth, Downing and Aliadiere. Wigan have Heskey and Sharner. Fulham would have seen interest in Bullard and Dempsey.

    I agree, with the exception of Birmingham. I think they have some real quality players, I'm still surprised they went down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    aidan24326 wrote: »
    Good point, and it only proves that there's no use coming up to the premier league unless you're ready for it, and more importantly willing to spend a few quid to ensure you stay there. They also made the point on MOTD that Sunderland spent 40 million+ and still only just dodged relegation, yet the money they spent on the likes of Reid and Jones probably saved them in the end.


    True but they also pointed out the risks with Sunderlands strategy,can the club actually afford to spend that amount of money, next season is a very big one for them, I wonder can they afford to go out and spend that amount of money again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Mad_Max


    They'll have to spend something or they'll do a Reading, stagnate and get relegated.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    Mad_Max wrote: »
    They'll have to spend something or they'll do a Reading, stagnate and get relegated.


    True but I suppose I am wondering can they realistically spend such large amounts at the end of the day the club has to be run as a business, was looking at an article on a man utd site and the debt figure they have is huge not to mention the interest figures which with LIBOR rates will only rise. I know utd don't have to pay back on the principal for another five years, but still! With regards Sunderland, I don't have enough info on there finances but can they really spend another £40+ million this summer. It paid off for them this season,they stayed up but I wonder how they are financing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Mad_Max


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drumaville_Consortium

    There's a few moneymen on the board alright. Whether or not that makes a difference is another thing.

    They are getting rid of players so the wage bill wont get too inflated. With survival they retain the TV/Sponsorship money they got when they got promoted and they will keep filling the ground.

    I doubt he'll spend 40+ million but I reckon if he COULD attract a few quality players, and they'd have to be good, then I reckon he'd get the backing.

    Its always a big gamble for the lower clubs, hard balancing act.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Bubs101


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Boro have Huth, Downing and Aliadiere. .

    If Boro went down they would have found buyers for Huth, Wheater, Downing Tuncay, Alves and maybe Cattermole. They have a decent team


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    I think f Coppell stays then the reading players will all stay, in fact, they should be forced to. They are the reason the club went down.

    I like Doyle, but he had a poor season, a winning season in the championship will do him good. I think hunt is over rated personally and I can't see him being at a club any bigger than reading. OK he had a good enough season, but I think that's it, he can't improve whereas Doyle certainly can.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    If Boro went down they would have found buyers for Huth, Wheater, Downing Tuncay, Alves and maybe Cattermole. They have a decent team

    Cattermole is a horrible player.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Bubs101 wrote: »
    If Boro went down they would have found buyers for Huth, Wheater, Downing Tuncay, Alves and maybe Cattermole. They have a decent team

    lol. I forgot about Tuncay. Wheater and Cattermole aren't very good though. But they're English and young! So of course someone might be stupid enough to pay way over the odds for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,714 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I agree, with the exception of Birmingham. I think they have some real quality players, I'm still surprised they went down.

    Who is "real quality" in your opinion? Zarate isn't fully owned by them yet by the way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭shane86


    So which Relegated players do you think should Prem clubs should raid Derby, Brum and Reading for? and where could you see them going?

    Derby: Giles Barnes

    Reading: Hunt, Doyle, Shorey, Kitson?

    Birmingham: Zarate, Seb Larsson, Forsell?, Kapo?, De Ridder?, Muamba? or maybe McFadden

    Id sooner see the Irish 3 of Reading in the c`ship than wasting their playing life at Sunderland. Though obviously Id sooner see them back in any other PL team but Id reckon Reading will hold onto them to try and get back to the PL. Can imagine Villa being the best club table and manager wise to make a bid for any of the 3 lads, any clubs higher up are too full of talented attackers to warrant a bid. tbh last season if they had got relegated (highly unlikely, obviously) there woulda been a bidding war for the 3, but Doyle had an awful season.

    Kitson is a possible buy for the likes of Fulham or a newly promoted club, hes likely about to get an England cap isnt he?

    Id like to see McFadden back in the prem, misguided loyalty brought him to Birmingham and Judas McLeish. I despise McLeish now and apart from McFadden and Kelly I am ****ing delighted they went down, hope McLeish cant get a job beyond League 2 within 3 odd years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,983 ✭✭✭leninbenjamin


    I think hunt is over rated personally and I can't see him being at a club any bigger than reading.

    he probably wouldn't get a starting position, but i could see quite a few clubs of the midtable clubs taking an interest in him as an impact player, he's full of energy when he comes on and through sheer effort more than anything else can make things happen where plan A has failed. and he'll be relatively inexpensive too if the papers are to be believed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭Necronomicon


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Who is "real quality" in your opinion? Zarate isn't fully owned by them yet by the way.

    The players I posted on the first page, although I did include Zarate because I forgot he was on loan. Although really that's irrelevent when talking about being surprised that they went down. I think Larsson, McFadden, Jerome, Kapo, De Ridder, Forsell are decent players. I wouldn't be surprised if all of them were playing elsewhere next season.


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