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[US/IRL] 4X11 - "Cabin Fever" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

  • 08-05-2008 8:57pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,200 ✭✭✭✭


    - WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "CABIN FEVER" -

    Episode Title: "Cabin Fever"
    Airdate: May 8th 2008

    Synopsis (from TV.Com):
    Locke finds out where Jacob's cabin is. Life on the freighter becomes dangerous.

    Next New Episode: 4X12 -
    There's No Place Like Home (1)
    - May 15th 2008


    SPOILER WARNING:

    From now on, this thread shall reveal details of the episode mentioned above. If you have not yet seen this episode, please do not move any further down the thread.

    This episode shall air on:

    ABC (US) - May 8st 2008
    RTÉ (IRL) - May 12th 2008

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    Otherwise, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED - there shall be major plot details of the episode revealed and discussed below with no spoiler tags used!

    What did you think of "Cabin Fever"? 154 votes

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    9
    I loved every second of it, brilliant set-up for the finale. They filled in loads of little details, lots to think about. It may alienate the more casual viewer however and the jump-the-shark brigade will be out in force but this is Lost at it's best imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    6
    I loved every second of it, brilliant set-up for the finale. They filled in loads of little details, lots to think about. It may alienate the more casual viewer however and the jump-the-shark brigade will be out in force but this is Lost at it's best imo.

    This episode is definitely going to polarise opinion. Many will complain about that old chestnut "asking more questions than it answers" etc, and some might feel the cabin scene is a cop-out. As LOST moves along it's losing more and more casual viewers, to the extent that by next season and beyond, i doubt there will be a "casual viewer" base.

    However, i'm with you SP, thought it was the perfect set-up for the Finale and it raised a lot of interesting questions. So we now know who killed the doc, that scene in itself raises a lot of questions. Keamys gun jamming goes back to Mr. Friendly assertion that Michael cant be killed. Claire in the cabin with Christian!!!! Horace? Who was the "Orderly" in the hospital, looks like he will have a role to play in the Finale/Season 5. Richard Alpert appearing in Lockes backstory - i wonder why he was angered by Locke choosing the knife? Again , lack of Sawyer was a minus, and the Beach cameo was pointless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭abelard


    6
    Strange episode, thought it was going nowhere for ages, flashbacls a bit meh on the whole, but picked up for the second half.

    Just relating to the orderly in Locke's hospital, that was Matthew Abaddon, earlier in the season seen quizzing Hurley in the mental asylum, and briefing Naomi on her mission to the island.

    The scene with Richard was pretty odd, I thought they could have let it tell us more though. We've been through Locke's whole special, not special, special thing already.

    Liked the kind of odd relationship developing between Hurley and Ben, I wonder if it will come to much or anything.

    The cabin scene was another of those classic Lost tantalise-but-don'tgive-information scenes. Claire seemed...different, it was strange. Christian was enigmatic as usual, but certainly didn't seem very, well, dead. And moving the island? Urgh, that was said ages ago and I kind of hoped it wasn't ever going to be true, but seems it is! :rolleyes: Anyway, hope Sayid gets back before it moves! And is that possibly why the Oceanic 6 have been so hesitant in trying to get any sort of rescue for the rest? Could it be they have no idea where the island is any more?

    I guess this was a pretty decent set-up episode, how many are left?

    Couple of other things, does anyone else think Desmond will escape with the others as an "unofficial" addition to the Oceanic 6? He'll be needed in the off-island plot with Ben/Widmore/Penelope, and his story arc on the island has kind of ended. And what about Michael too? He probably would just want to disappear upon escaping though.

    What's on Keamy's arm? It looks like a remote control for something. Did anyone notice the dharma symbol on the "secondary protocol" too? Could it have something to do with the device? He said he was going to "torch the island", maybe the secondary protocol was the location of something like the poison gas Charlotte and Faraday went after earlier?

    A good 7/10 episode I think


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    9
    Alpert would appear to be like the Panchen Lama. The Panchen Lama is the the second most important monk in Tibetan Buddhism. And when the Dalai Lama dies it's the Panchen Lama's job to find his new incarnation. When he does, he tests the child by showing him the possessions of previous Dalai Lamas. Damon hinted that Alpert played this role last season.
    abelard wrote:
    I guess this was a pretty decent set-up episode, how many are left?
    Part 1 of the finale is next week. Second part is 2 hours long and airs 2 weeks later. So 3 hours left. But this is the last regular episode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭jd83


    7
    was the guy who visits john in the rehabilitation hospital the same guy who visits hurley in the mental hospital?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭Necronomicon


    7
    abelard wrote: »
    Just relating to the orderly in Locke's hospital, that was Matthew Abaddon, earlier in the season seen quizzing Hurley in the mental asylum, and briefing Naomi on her mission to the island.
    Ah I knew it, for some reason I couldn't place him even though we've seen him twice this season.

    Part 1 of the finale is next week. Second part is 2 hours long and airs 2 weeks later. So 3 hours left. But this is the last regular episode.

    Phew. I thought next week was the finale, which would leave a hell of a lot to wrap up.

    Good episode, asked a lot of questions. How did Richard look pretty much the same age when he was visiting Locke as a child? What was Kimi being rigged up with, that device on his arm? "Secondary Protocal?" What was going on with Claire? She acted different, as if she'd been brainwashed.

    Season 4 continues to impress, hopefully the finale will be something spectacular.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    7
    Does anyone else think Claire is dead? She acted strangely and Christian is dead. It explains why she isn't one of the Oceanic 6. Locke can see Christian because he's chosen, and that's why he can see Claire too maybe.

    By the way, LOVED Christian being in this episode! He's one of my favourite cast members. I love every scene with him in it. But it begs the question, is he a ghost or some kind or reanimated body? His actual body went missing after the crash, but now Jack, Locke and Claire have seen him.

    I enjoyed this episode overall. I'd hoped for a little more, but I'm still happy. Great to see Desmond back too, he's so hot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,584 ✭✭✭✭Creamy Goodness


    great episode, most of my points where made above.


    one thing that kind of annoyed me was when the captain asked what was on martin's arm it panned to it and you can quite clearly see it's one of these

    http://www.korg.com/gear/enlarge_product.asp?prid=GA30

    wtf is kemmy going to do with a guitar/bass tuner strapped to his arm?

    he knows about charlies guitar and thinks it might be out of tune?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Cremo wrote: »
    great episode, most of my points where made above.


    one thing that kind of annoyed me was when the captain asked what was on martin's arm it panned to it and you can quite clearly see it's one of these

    http://www.korg.com/gear/enlarge_product.asp?prid=GA30

    wtf is kemmy going to do with a guitar/bass tuner strapped to his arm?

    he knows about charlies guitar and thinks it might be out of tune?

    Sure when Miles was in the house in LA exorcising the ghost the device he had was a modified iron with some wheel thing in it.

    Perhaps the prop department are on strike like the writers and we just don't hear about it:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭tvnutz


    7
    Interesting episode,again with so many questions and few answers. Abbadon and Richard in Locke's flashback? Move the island? Christian and Claire in the cabin?

    gah...too much!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    5
    meh, it was one of those show a lot, answer fuck all.

    The history of Locke / Flashbacks:
    Alpert hasn't aged
    Young John drawing pictures of Cyberos
    The test with the items screamed reincarnation to me
    John being a scientist and invited to Portland
    Abaddon the orderly made sure John got on the plane

    So they've been stalking John...

    On the island:
    The dream was weird. Ben used to have dreams. The island has picked Locke.
    Do I care, not really.
    The cabin was a let down not that I was expecting much.
    Claire seems on the happy pills or knows something we don't.
    Moving the island sounds cool. (Krull anyone)

    The freighter:
    The doctor is still alive *shock*... NOT
    Michael can't die *yawn*
    The Dharma directive booklet looked interesting
    The thing on Keamy's arm looks like a dead man switch / trigger.
    Sayid looked suitably heroic heading back to the island, does it mean Des will get off the island secretly?
    It was obvious the Doctor was a gonner at the end but pity about the captain.
    The beach dudes are gonna head towards the mercs - lol

    Hopefully it has set up two cracking eps.

    Give it a 6.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    9
    Great episode in my opinion. It is obvious some people are under the opinion that we should get a great big answer every episode. I couldn't give a toss whether we get loads of info or not.
    Loved the scene between Ben and Hurley, where no words were spoken. Also when Locke asked Ben where to go next and Ben said he was following Hurley - "I'm not even in front".
    Always good to see Alpert, Abaddon and Christian.
    Claire has a new storyline that doesn't involve Turniphead or the Dead Hobbit - yay!
    Can't believe Keamy killed the Captain - I was just beginning to like the Captain.
    I knew we'd see the Doc again, but it was nice to see why he died.
    I also loved the return of the adventure music, that they used when Sayid was leaving on the raft. Haven't heard that in awhile. Love that tune.

    Bring on the finale.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭anotherlostie


    8
    I thought it was great after last week's blip (IMHO).

    John's flashback scenes were good - the constant watching by Alpert/Mittelos/Abbadon. The picture of the smoke monster was creepy! Alpert appearing young was no surprise, as he was the same when John met him as a child on the island last season. Given that Abbadon coerced John to going on the walkabout, are we going to see Mittelos gradually get each of the islanders on the plane.

    Claire definitely seemed different, like she was in on something. She had that 'Mean Girls' curl to her lip. I don't think she is dead, otherwise the human body would have been there when Sawyer and Miles woke up.

    I thought that Frank's obvious course of action would have been to miss the island. Let's face it they are going to kill him eventually when the mission is completed. But I guess he is a survivor and sending that sat phone to the beach crew may be part of his plan. I hope he survives. Poor doc and poor captain!

    Roll on part 1 of the finale.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    That was 1 weird ass episode but I enjoyed it. I always like the mythology episodes and this was jam packed full of it

    A very nice setup episode for the finale.

    I reckon Claire is dead, she definately looked different and it would seem to make the most sense in the context of the scene.

    Lockes flashback also begs the question about 815. Was that crash meant to happen, was everyone on board destined to be on the island or did the crash happen to get Locke to the island and everyone was irrelevant?

    I lived the scene with Ben and Hurley. I can see it being a nod to some film or tv show, anyone hazard a guess of what?

    As for moving the island, eh what. I really have no idea what that could mean or entail.

    Still I enjoyed it, much better then last weeks although in a Jack vs Locke flash that is always a no contest.

    Give it 8.5/10


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    Mr.S wrote: »
    surley, after 4 seasons thats Obvious now!

    I wouldn't say that. THey have hinted at it but like everything else nothing definitive

    Also just realised, we know for fact now that the purge happened in 1992


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    9
    Any thoughts on Abaddon? From the beginning I always thought he was some sort of higher power. I find it hard to believe he works for Widmore. Maybe it's the other way around and Widmore works for him. Is he a force for good or evil? I mean he guides Locke to the island which is good but his name (a biblical reference to the Angel of the Abyss; also Greek for "the destroyer") and the way he asks Locke for a favour makes me think otherwise. There's a touch of Randall Flagg about him as well. Intriguing character.

    I loved the scene in the cabin with Christian (finally!!) and Claire. Very Black Lodge-like. I don't care for the Claire-is-dead theory that's floating around. Hopefully we'll get more on what happened to her before the end of the season.

    The scenes on the freighter were great. Kevin Durand is fantastic as Keamy. The writers were very smart to expand his character's role.

    I was kind glad to see the Captain go tbh. Didn't care for his brand of spoon-fed answers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,200 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    8
    I loved this episode. I think what made this episode was the final scene in the cabin... it was such a standard 'Lost' feck-with-your-head moment. As there's a few things that were confirmed and intriguing about it.
    • Claire was as relaxed as can be.. she seemed almost sedated in her mannerism. She didn't seem real. Whether we can think of her as dead or not (see two points down) is still up in the air but she was not the same Claire. Claire would NEVER go anywhere without Aaron super-glued to her. Very odd but wholeheartedly intriguing appearance!
    • The figure in the chair is now confirmed as Christian. Christian's dialogue was vague and open-ended as feck. But his appearance was enough. And if he is indeed alive.. might explain why Jack has seen him in his flashforwards. Oh, and did anyone hope John would ask him for his surname - "Christian what...?" :D
    • Onto the "are-they-dead-or-alive" argument, there's very little evidence to prove either is true. But what I will bring attention to is the fact that Claire was far from herself and that Locke was in the cabin ON HIS OWN so what he saw may have been another vision / dream (like when he saw Percy from 'The Green Mile'.... whoops, i mean Horace).
    The other BIG moment was the "test" by Richard to a young Locke... when I was watching it.. all I could think of was symbolism. Such as the baseball mitt symbolising a typical childhood (and by Locke choosing that, it would signify he wanted a normal childhood and not spend his time in this "special school"). The knife symbolising the warrior in Locke.. a more violent side of Locke that Richard did not want. The comic book told us of a strange land - obvious enough reference. The compass symbolising a need for exploration / walkabout. But the vial of sand washed over me to be honest (maybe a reference to Locke's fascination with nature, the island and earth). Best I could do interpreting that scene when I was watching.

    The scenes on the freighter and beach I could have done without.. Locke, Ben and Hurley in the jungle / cabin were the heart and soul of the episode. The flashbacks were interesting. But Richard's "test" (as debated above) and the opening scene were highlights. Loved the randomness of the opening scene, which is something Lost is doing more and more this season especially - misleading the viewer in the opening of the episode and leading them along towards a revelation.

    Loved this episode.. better than last week and working it's way nicely towards being the finest season since season 1.

    Keep it up Damon and Carlton.. and roll on the 3 part finale! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭L31mr0d


    8
    I thought it was very good... compared to some of the tripe Lost has churned out in previous seasons this one is really on a roll. I personally liked the John Locke flashbacks as it shows that this whole thing goes back a lot further than the island.

    I also loved the moment between Hurley and Ben on the log, don't know why but it made me laugh.

    Heres a question though, if locke wanted to have psychotropic dreams why doesn't he carry around that fruit he gave to Boon in season 1?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,200 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    8
    L31mr0d wrote: »
    I also loved the moment between Hurley and Ben on the log, don't know why but it made me laugh.
    Whoops.. yeah, was forgot to mention this. Great moment!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭Skud


    6
    im loving this season but the supernatural surreal stuff like moving the island etc is kinda getting a bit much... Dealing with the time was bad enough! Even some other stuff but last couple of eps have had stuff that's kinda made me sigh...

    Although there is some very good scenes still. Always wanting to know what happens next and so much going on. Hopefully the "crap" stuff wont hinder some very excellent writing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭L31mr0d


    8
    basquille wrote: »
    (like when he saw Percy from 'The Green Mile'.... whoops, i mean Horace)

    :eek: that guy should not be remembered for anything other than as Tooms in the X-Files... best... episode... ever.

    Getting back to this weeks episode, forgot to say, so its pretty much proven now, the barrier between the island and the real world can transport matter both back and forwards in time, shown by the fact the doctors body traveled back in time and the capsule launched at the island traveled forwards in time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    9
    best episode of lost so far


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,200 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    8
    L31mr0d wrote: »
    :eek: that guy should not be remembered for anything other than as Tooms in the X-Files... best... episode... ever.
    ** cough **

    Aren't you also forgetting 'Squeeze'? :rolleyes: :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭Hugh_C


    8
    Great episode. Very Lost-ish, except for the beach scene - meh. Shame about the captain, but Frank and Keamy are coming along nicely as characters.

    Have I got a clue what's happening? No.
    Does that matter? Feck no, it's great anyway.

    Move the island. Yay!

    I think Ben is dying ...

    And José Mourinho will make a guest appearance ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,200 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    8
    Hugh_C wrote: »
    I think Ben is dying ...
    WHAT??!?! :eek: :eek: :eek:
    Hugh_C wrote: »
    ... for a wee!
    Phew! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Niall0


    7
    I think maybe the knife is one of Jacobs belongings and Locke picking the knife means he is a reincarnation of Jacob. I think Richard finds that impossible to believe.
    Also i think instead of moving the island to a different place they are going to move it to a different time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    L31mr0d wrote: »
    :eek: that guy should not be remembered for anything other than as Tooms in the X-Files... best... episode... ever.

    QFT, it was a double episode as well, He scared the **** out of me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,640 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    8
    Really enjoyed this episode. I'd rate it a 9. As mentioned already if you're the type that demands answers from the show you might not like it but personally I like the mystery and this episode was very mysterious!

    I think the scene with Locke and Richard was Richard's way of finding out if Locke was Jacob. The book I did not recognise but perhaps it's regarded as the book of Jacob and by Locke picking the knife, in Richard's eyes he is not in fact Jacob.

    The Claire/Christian bit has me really stumped. Very interesting though.

    I do think the theme of time travel will continue to play a part and I'm guessing this will play a part in how Locke is meant to 'move the island'. Not physically move it but move it to another timeline. I reckon that might explain why Horace was shown chopping the tree down and then within moments the tree was restored and Horace was again seen chopping it. I think that symbolises that the island can be protected by moving it through time. No idea how this will be accomplished though. So head-wrecking but I love it. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭damnyanks


    8
    Maybe locke is christians kid as well?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    7
    basquille wrote: »
    (like when he saw Percy from 'The Green Mile'.... whoops, i mean Horace)

    I knew he looked familiar!
    damnyanks wrote: »
    Maybe locke is christians kid as well?

    Locke and Christian are at least the same age, with at most a couple of years between them.

    Did anyone else have a little lol at teenage John declaring "I like boxing!" and adult John working in a box factory? No? Just me?...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Niall0


    7
    The actor who plays lockes father was born in 1944 the same year as the actor who plays Christian shepard. Terry O quinn (Locke ) was born in 1952.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Psychedelic


    6
    it was a good episode but i was kind of let down with the cabin scene, i was expecting we would get to see jacob again.
    basquille wrote: »
    But the vial of sand washed over me to be honest (maybe a reference to Locke's fascination with nature, the island and earth). Best I could do interpreting that scene when I was watching.

    maybe the vial of sand refers to time travel? that's what i thought anyway.
    Niall0 wrote: »
    Also i think instead of moving the island to a different place they are going to move it to a different time.
    yeah was thinking that as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭L31mr0d


    8
    basquille wrote: »
    ** cough **

    Aren't you also forgetting 'Squeeze'? :rolleyes: :D

    *pff* I didn't forget it, I just prefered the second half of it. Watching through all the seasons again at the moment in the build up to the new movie.
    maybe the vial of sand refers to time travel? that's what i thought anyway.

    The vial of sand clearly represents the island, in that the island will belong to locke... I thought this was fairly obvious considering the fact that Ben pretty much hands over custodianship to him in this episode

    EDIT: Also I wonder if the compass is the same one that appears in the game "Via Domus"?

    EDIT: Also a little easter egg. In lockes locker there was a B&W picture, it was a picture of this guy

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/burton_sir_richard.shtml


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 432 ✭✭IamBeowulf


    5
    maybe the vial of sand refers to time travel? that's what i thought anyway.

    I figured it had to do with the trail of sand lain on the forest ground, it was shown in a few episodes, never explained, but it was like a voodoo trap to keep the cabin in...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭damnyanks


    8
    Ok since people around the island have their mind time travel maybe jacob is able to place is mind into the future and he came from the boat originally.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭oleras


    8
    L31mr0d wrote: »

    The vial of sand clearly represents the island

    I would have thought the sand represented time.........

    Great episode !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭LeoGilly


    That was a good episode! Really enjoyed it!! Is it certain that Jacob is a person and not a group of people??

    Also when Keamy had the booklet on the boat with the Darma symbol on the cover. Does this suggest that Whitmore was/is the owner of the Dharma Initiative??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    5
    LeoGilly wrote: »
    Also when Keamy had the booklet on the boat with the Darma symbol on the cover. Does this suggest that Whitmore was/is the owner of the Dharma Initiative??
    I thought this was well established already.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    9
    Well according to the Lost Experience the Dharma Initiative was financed by the Hanso Foundation. Widmore Corporation, and also Paik Heavy Industries (the company owned by Sun's father) were certainly involved in some capacity as well but what has never been confirmed. Widmore claiming the island is his doesn't really mean anything as far as his involvement with Dharma goes. The common theory however is that Widmore was employed by Hanso to build the stations on the island. Which would explain his intimate knowledge of the place.

    My theory is that further to this Widmore became involved in a power struggle/corporate take-over of Hanso hence his claim to ownership of the island. He then tried to "purge" the island of the natives. However Ben, who almost certainly has some history of his own with Widmore, threw his hat in with the Others and "purged" Dharma instead, locking Widmore out in the process.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,225 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    9
    couple of things i have noticed on second watching;

    lockes grandmother imo recognises dr. alpert
    even though it's raining "cats and dogs" alpert isnt at all wet when he comes to Locke's foster home (neither hat or coat show it anyway)
    the backgammon pieces are red and white, even though so much has been made of the black vs white in previous eps.
    the "others" wiped out the DI, Ben says he wasnt always the leader of the others, so was Whitmore the leader of the others rather than involved with DI?
    i'm sure this has been mentioned before but all the main characters have issues with their father (claire, kate, sawyer, ben, locke, jack, sun) maybe Aaron isnt supposed to have a father thats why Jack cant raise him
    Presumably if the island is moved, whether it's in time or space, this would explain why the oceanic 6 cant get back
    Ben and lockes characters are becoming a lot easier to empathise with i wonder could this mean the introduction of a new strong dislikable lead character?
    I dont believe Claire is dead as their would be no need for a bandaid for a dead person!
    I hope we see more of christian - a great character!

    *Just figured out Mittleos is an anagram of Lost Time


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭Brianb8802


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    :eek::eek: Great episode, definitely one of my favourites so far.

    One thing that stuck in my mind was the comic book that was put in front of boy Locke. The second i saw it i thought of the comic book that Walt had back in season 1. I cant remember did he bring it to the island or did he find it on the island (think hurley was reading it on the plane) doesn't really matter anyway.

    It just made me think that Walt may have had a visit from Richard when he was young.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    Re: Christian/Claire, I guess we need to ask the question what is dead? If someone is dead but still walking around as Christian is, what are they? Two possibilities as I see it:

    1) They are a ghost, i.e. the spirit minus a body.
    2) They are "undead", the body minus a soul.

    I'm not a huge fan of traditional zombie fare but I always loved the idea of the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. They were the same but different in a way that was very creepy. There were echoes of them in Babylon 5 where the Shadows took humans such as Morden and Sheridan's wife and used them as agents and emissaries.

    I dunno but the cabin scene made me think of this. I mean that was Claire sitting in there but not *truly* her. Claire would never have left Aaron alone in the jungle like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,225 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


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    Brianb8802 wrote: »
    :eek::eek: Great episode, definitely one of my favourites so far.

    One thing that stuck in my mind was the comic book that was put in front of boy Locke. The second i saw it i thought of the comic book that Walt had back in season 1. I cant remember did he bring it to the island or did he find it on the island (think hurley was reading it on the plane) doesn't really matter anyway.

    It just made me think that Walt may have had a visit from Richard when he was young.

    this was the one walt had apparently

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_and_Flash:_Faster_Friends_No._1


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


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    Call_me_al wrote: »
    Presumably if the island is moved, whether it's in time or space, this would explain why the oceanic 6 cant get back

    That's pretty much what I've been thinking. Sayid gets to the island on his little boat and take 5 others off with him. Then the island gets "moved" and he's not able to get back for anyone else. Thing I don't get though is that when Jack and Kate were talking in the last episode they mentioned that Sawyer choose to stay on the Island. I guess that maybe Sayid knew he would only be able to make one run, since Hurley and Ben know that Locke's plan is to move the island, and at least Hurley leaves with Sayid.

    I wonder will Ben leave with them now, or does he magically leave and end up in the Tunisian desert at some later stage? This will be interesting to see.
    I dunno but the cabin scene made me think of this. I mean that was Claire sitting in there but not *truly* her. Claire would never have left Aaron alone in the jungle like that.

    She seemed incredibly calm, very out of character for her. She also had a strange smile on her face, one that seemed to suggest that she knew a lot about what was happening and that she accepted what was happening. Again, that's very out of character for her, so my question would be, is she dead, is this actually Claire in any way at all, or what is it that she knows now that is making her so calm? Perhaps, it's been explained to her that this is the only way for Aaron to leave the island? Has she seen the future, like Desmond has?

    A very good episode. Plenty of new questions, but not in an annoying way like there sometimes are. A good setup for the final 3 parter, though saying there's an actual double or triple part episode in Lost is a bit silly, as the entire show is one long continuing story line.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    For me, Locke's deliberately choosing the knife as an item he wanted as opposed to the items he previously possessed (scene straight out of Kundun, no?) was what annoyed Richard. Not for the last time, John was defying his destiny and refusing to be told what to do, even by the voices inside him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭L31mr0d


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    oleras wrote: »
    I would have thought the sand represented time.........

    Great episode !

    its too cryptic, an hour glass or even a clock would of sufficed if it was that... so far most of the solutions to the mysteries in Lost have been explained by the most obvious answer. Plus if it does represent time does that mean that Locke will own time at some point in the future?

    IMO it can only be 1 of 2 things, either it represents the island which locke has now taken ownership of or its related to that sand that was around Jacobs cabin. Given that this episode pretty much centered around locke officially assuming his role as the guardian of the island i'd tend to think its the former


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 432 ✭✭IamBeowulf


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    L31mr0d wrote: »
    its too cryptic, an hour glass or even a clock would of sufficed if it was that... so far most of the solutions to the mysteries in Lost have been explained by the most obvious answer. Plus if it does represent time does that mean that Locke will own time at some point in the future?

    IMO it can only be 1 of 2 things, either it represents the island which locke has now taken ownership of or its related to that sand that was around Jacobs cabin. Given that this episode pretty much centered around locke officially assuming his role as the guardian of the island i'd tend to think its the former

    maybe securing the cabin, restricting it with the trail of sand, has something to do with the overall security of the island. Maybe removing the sand allows the island to move again.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,693 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    I think moving the island is related in someway to the hatch implosion. So maybe they'll have to create another electromagnetic event/purple sky. Using the Orchid perhaps?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    I think moving the island is related in someway to the hatch implosion. So maybe they'll have to create another electromagnetic event/purple sky. Using the Orchid perhaps?

    Oh, that seems to me to be a good call. I think you could be on to something


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


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    jor el wrote: »
    Sayid gets to the island on his little boat and take 5 others off with him. Then the island gets "moved" and he's not able to get back for anyone else.
    I reckon this is what will happen in the finale. As we've seen, Ben will still be able to leave the island and maybe late in next season, the Oceanic 6 will discover this and get him to return them to the island.

    Seeing as Abaddon told Locke he'd see him again, we can expect him to show up on the island within the next few episodes.

    Great episode, gave it a 9.


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