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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭vote4pedro


    About as much as mexican waves or all seater stadiums; its just something which p!sses me off whilst I'm there.
    Would you not have a little snigger if you saw the Latvian fans decked out in Liverpool jerseys in what they think is an effort to cheer on their team, or Japanese fans doing it with Chelsea shirts?

    I'm amazed that its that you take issue with, and not someone comparing following a football team to WWE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    vote4pedro wrote: »
    There is a difference between real fans and others.
    If I watch Toulous play Stade Francais I couldn't give a fiddlers about either team,

    ????????????
    vote4pedro wrote: »
    but what I'm experiencing isn't the same as the fans with their hearts in their mouths, singing on the terraces, who'll be thinking about the game and result for days or weeks.

    And you have to be geographically from the area to experience that??? There is no way you could have built up the same level of attachement from supporting a club, 10-20-30 years.???

    vote4pedro wrote: »
    Football is so much more than a trip to the cinema, which is pure entertainment, and I get the impression you don't attend too many football games if you're unaware of that.

    Sport is entertainment, whatever way you want to dress it up! You can be passionate about it the same way you can be passionate about anything, but at the end of the day you are dillusional if you think it is not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭vote4pedro


    Boggles wrote: »
    ????????????



    And you have to be geographically from the area to experience that??? There is no way you could have built up the same level of attachement from supporting a club, 10-20-30 years.???
    You'd have to be from the same area, or go to matches, or be involved in the club in some way to reach the same level of attachement, yes. Merely looking out for a certain teams scores on teletext or trying to catch them on MotD if you're not too busy isn't the same thing as what those fans who go to the games and are truly involved in their club feel. I know that for a fact as the teams I follow in sports like American football, or baseball, I don't have nearly the same attachement too as my football team.

    Sport is entertainment, whatever way you want to dress it up! You can be passionate about it the same way you can be passionate about anything, but at the end of the day you are dillusional if you think it is not.

    No, sport is more than mere entertainment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    vote4pedro wrote: »
    You'd have to be from the same area, or go to matches, or be involved in the club in some way to reach the same level of attachement, yes. Merely looking out for a certain teams scores on teletext or trying to catch them on MotD if you're not too busy isn't the same thing as what those fans who go to the games and are truly involved in their club feel. I know that for a fact as the teams I follow in sports like American football, or baseball, I don't have nearly the same attachement too as my football team.

    You used a nonsense example of you going to a Toulouse match and feeling nothing is the difference between real fans and "Other".

    Your point was that me as a Man United supporter from Ireland is less of a supporter that is from Manchester and I couldn't possibly have the same passion as someone that is geographically attached to the club.

    Now you watering your arguement down, saying as long as you go and look at them every so often and have more than an interest than watching the scores on teletext.

    So which is it???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭vote4pedro


    Boggles wrote: »
    You used a nonsense example of you going to a Toulouse match and feeling nothing is the difference between real fans and "Other".

    Your point was that me as a Man United supporter from Ireland is less of a supporter that is from Manchester and I couldn't possibly have the same passion as someone that is geographically attached to the club.

    Now you watering your arguement down, saying as long as you go and look at them every so often and have more than an interest than watching the scores on teletext.

    So which is it???

    It wasn't a nonsense example; at a game between two teams I have no interest in I may favour one, but am hardly as real a fan as their actual supporters on the terraces.
    You couldn't have the same level of passion about Manchester United if you never attend a football game, are not involved in the club or its supporters in any way, and actually believe that "following" them consists of checking teletext and they are merely a form of entertainment akin to a night watching Iron Man.
    Id guess there's people in Manchester trying to sell kidneys so they could get to Moscow in two weeks, I'd hazard a guess that football, and Man Utd, means more to them than someone who thinks "sure I'll have to remember to watch that game, I really hope Ronny and Hargsy and Carlitos do the biz"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    vote4pedro wrote: »
    It wasn't a nonsense example; at a game between two teams I have no interest in I may favour one, but am hardly as real a fan as their actual supporters on the terraces.

    It was a complete and utter nonsense example of what your orginally were trying to argue.

    You used a situation where you went to a match and have no interest in either team, how does that stupidity apply to what we were debating??
    vote4pedro wrote: »
    You couldn't have the same level of passion about Manchester United if you never attend a football game, are not involved in the club or its supporters in any way, and actually believe that "following" them consists of checking teletext and they are merely a form of entertainment akin to a night watching Iron Man.

    All completely true, why you have descended into stating the bloody ovbious, I don't know.

    Your arguement was that I am less of a supporter because I support a team that I am not geographical close to, argue that. Don't be going off on ridiculous tangents and stating the obvious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭vote4pedro


    Boggles wrote: »
    It was a complete and utter nonsense example of what your orginally were trying to argue.

    You used a situation where you went to a match and have no interest in either team, how does that stupidity apply to what we were debating??

    Your arguement was that I am less of a supporter because I support a team that I am now geographical close to, argue that. Don't be going off on ridiculous tangents and stating the obvious.

    Well actually this started over me saying Celtic were a British team, to which you started drawing ludicrous examples of De Valera and St Patrick?

    My point re: Tolouse was arguing that there can be a difference to being a "real" supporter and someone there watching a game, with perhaps a slight inclination towards one team.

    My argument is not that you are less of a supporter because you don't have follow a team near you, nor has it been.
    I am in little doubt though that you are less of a supporter because you equate following your team to being mere entertainment, which doesn't strike me as being what something someone who actually gives a sh!t about their club would say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    vote4pedro wrote: »
    My argument is not that you are less of a supporter because you don't have follow a team near you, nor has it been.
    I am in little doubt though that you are less of a supporter because you equate following your team to being mere entertainment, which doesn't strike me as being what something someone who actually gives a sh!t about their club would say.

    Okay then, if it is not entertainment what is it?

    If your not playing for the club, if you don't have shares in the club, if you don't own the club.

    How does a football result affect you, apart from bragging rights and making you happy or sad.

    What in your life will change so drastically if your club doesn't win???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭vote4pedro


    I'm amazed that you can say that over a messageboard supposedly full of football fans and not get more of a reaction?

    I can't describe it, and for the record I do part own my football club so perhaps I'm not the fairest judge going by your standards, but I'd imagine a lot of people on here know how following football teams affects them. Why do you think some people go to such lengths? Out of interest, do you go to any games? It's something that's hard to explain to someone who'se never experienced actually supporting a team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    vote4pedro wrote: »
    I'm amazed that you can say that over a messageboard supposedly full of football fans and not get more of a reaction?

    Because most people on here live in the real world, they have families, jobs, responsibilities. Again you are suggesting people on here are not passionate supporters. I can aknowledge that supporting sport is enterainment, It does not mean I'm not passionate about it, read some of my posts.
    vote4pedro wrote: »
    I can't describe it, and for the record I do part own my football club so perhaps I'm not the fairest judge going by your standards,

    What club do you support and what percentage do you own??

    vote4pedro wrote: »
    Out of interest, do you go to any games? It's something that's hard to explain to someone who'se never experienced actually supporting a team.

    Yes I am financially fortunate enough to go to games, your suggesting someone who cannot afford to travel to games is in some way less of a supporter? Your not doing yourself much favours!!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭vote4pedro


    Oh please, when did I mention economics?

    I'm suggesting the people who we all see down the pub watching games, claiming to support various teams but who don't choose to go out of their way, or spend disposable income or precious on going to actually see that team play aren't real fans, on a par with those who actually do go out of their way. How you can argue that is beyond me. Then again you did choose to completely ignore the point I made about Celtic not being an Irish team, and try to talk about this instead.

    And fyi I am one of 500 odd members/owners of Shamrock Rovers FC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,595 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    vote4pedro wrote: »
    Oh please, when did I mention economics?

    I'm suggesting the people who we all see down the pub watching games, claiming to support various teams but who don't choose to go out of their way, or spend disposable income or precious on going to actually see that team play aren't real fans, on a par with those who actually do go out of their way. How you can argue that is beyond me. Then again you did choose to completely ignore the point I made about Celtic not being an Irish team, and try to talk about this instead.

    And fyi I am one of 500 odd members/owners of Shamrock Rovers FC.

    You know what your right, I will tell all the lads in the pub tommorow they are frauds.

    For all the lads that are on boards.ie, that support British clubs, ye are frauds too.

    Oh Shame on us all.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Jazzy


    vote4pedro wrote: »
    I'm suggesting the people who we all see down the pub watching games, claiming to support various teams but who don't choose to go out of their way, or spend disposable income or precious on going to actually see that team play aren't real fans, on a par with those who actually do go out of their way. How you can argue that is beyond me. Then again you did choose to completely ignore the point I made about Celtic not being an Irish team, and try to talk about this instead.

    do u drive a hybrid too?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Boggles wrote: »
    You know what your right, I will tell all the lads in the pub tommorow they are frauds.

    Please do, would be better coming from one of their own!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    Jazzy wrote: »
    do u drive a hybrid too?

    1002_thaaannks.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Havermeyer


    As has been stated above, some people seem to think that RoI and Celtic jerseys are one and the same. It's like going to an Eircom league match and seeing people wearing Man U and Liverpool shirts. :confused: I don't get it, and would not be against what this petition is aiming for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    nummnutts wrote: »
    As has been stated above, some people seem to think that RoI and Celtic jerseys are one and the same. It's like going to an Eircom league match and seeing people wearing Man U and Liverpool shirts. :confused: I don't get it, and would not be against what this petition is aiming for.

    So why not mention manure and liverpool shirts? why pick on celtic?

    its a wind up ffs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭vote4pedro


    Well its obviously picking on Celtic because more people wear Celtic shirts to Ireland games then Man Utd, in the bizarre logic that they're doing so to show support to the Irish team, or that Celtic are an Irish team.
    Again, it's a bit like South Korean fans wearing Man Utd jerseys to support S Korea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Havermeyer


    So why not mention manure and liverpool shirts? why pick on celtic?

    its a wind up ffs.

    I did. It's just when it comes to people going to Ireland matches, some people think that a Celtic jersey is pretty much the same as the RoI jersey. I know people who think like this. And whether it's a wind up or not, I think it's a good idea.
    Well its obviously picking on Celtic because more people wear Celtic shirts to Ireland games then Man Utd, in the bizarre logic that they're doing so to show support to the Irish team, or that Celtic are an Irish team.

    Pretty much. Whereas, slightly off topic but along the same lines, Man U and Liverpool or whatever foreign club you care to name are more prevalent to LOI games. Which is also baffling. It's like some people just go to a match and wear any football shirt they feel like wearing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    vote4pedro wrote: »
    Well its obviously picking on Celtic because more people wear Celtic shirts to Ireland games then Man Utd, in the bizarre logic that they're doing so to show support to the Irish team, or that Celtic are an Irish team.
    Again, it's a bit like South Korean fans wearing Man Utd jerseys to support S Korea.

    Were Man Utd founded by a South Korean for South Korean immigrants, fly a South Korean flag donated by the South Korean President? If not, then your point is irrelevant.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭vote4pedro


    So Genoa are an English club? Athletic Bilbao?

    Besides having a flag donated from Ireland is about a tenous a link as the South Korean fan who might argue that Man Utd have official ambassedors to the country such is the connection between the two, and an official website in Korean, and travel thousands of miles just to play a friendly game there, and promote Korean football by ensuring one of their star players is a Korean international.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,454 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    vote4pedro wrote: »
    So Genoa are an English club? Athletic Bilbao?

    Besides having a flag donated from Ireland is about a tenous a link as the South Korean fan who might argue that Man Utd have official ambassedors to the country such is the connection between the two, and an official website in Korean, and travel thousands of miles just to play a friendly game there, and promote Korean football by ensuring one of their star players is a Korean international.

    Listen fella... Celtic are not an Irish club, they are a Celtic club that was set up by Irishmen for the poor Irish immigrant population of East End of Glasgow. They have had Irish links throughout their history. The vast majority of Glaswegian Celtic fans I know and met over the last 15 living in Glasgow have Irish heritage, some 2nd generation and a lot 3rd generation. Now you can dismiss this all you like and introduce spurious analogies but it does not change the fact that Celtic are a football club with a massive Irish connection.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭guinnessdrinker


    Lad's, maybe some people just don't like the look of the Irish jersey in the first place and they might just like to wear another type of jersey to an Irish international match. Who cares what team the jersey is from as long as it is green or white or green and white.

    Incidently, I thought NI always got nicer jerseys than ROI too.

    Anyone know though, if it's possible to get an Irish jersey without the sponsors name across the chest?

    I have an 80's addidas Irish jersey that does me, it has no sponsors name on it either and still looks good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    Just watching the Celtic-Hibs Game (go go the Hibees) at the minute.

    Spotted a chap in the crowd wearing an Irish Rugby Jersey.

    What think ye of that?.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭Badabing


    Blackjack wrote: »
    Just watching the Celtic-Hibs Game (go go the Hibees) at the minute.

    Spotted a chap in the crowd wearing an Irish Rugby Jersey.

    What think ye of that?.

    It didn't fit him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    The Celtic Supporters of this country are a strange breed. One the one hand they will queue up outside the dole office every Thursday looking for free money, but on the other hand they happily do advertising work for Carling Beer and British football free of charge on an almost daily basis. Personally I feel they woudl do better to stop sponging off my tax money and instead seek renumeration from the Molson Coors Brewing Company and the SPL for their sterling promotional work during the year.

    BTW, belated congratulation to Glasgow Rangers on reaching the UEFA cup final. IMHO it's a major achievement for a team from one of Britains lower divisions to reach a major European final and as they are the underdog I shall be supporting them in their match vs Leningrad on Wednesday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,454 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Oh dear God.... Now Celtic supporters from Ireland do not work, they are all on the dole.

    BTW, there is no such team as Glasgow Rangers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    Yeah I know. Leningrad aren't playing in the UEFA cup final either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,496 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    What the **** has supporting a team got to do with being on the dole. If I said the same about Liverpool fans I'd be banned.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Collie D wrote: »
    What the **** has supporting a team got to do with being on the dole. If I said the same about Liverpool fans I'd be banned.

    If you said it about Rangers you would be canned.

    This is what intrigues me about this forum. The rules seem to be appled rather haphazardly.


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