Increasing Range Without Increasing Power

senordingdong

Is it possible to do the above mentioned?

I recall Motosame mentioning something to me about changing the spring and I see a spring for sale on Eirsoft.
So does that increase the range or the power or what?

o1s1n

Spring increases power which will also increase range. The only range increaser I'm aware of without messing with power outputs is the hop up.

Tightbore barrels give you a bit more range too, but that'll increase power. (And accuracy)

Puding

a spring will increase fps, a tight bore will also increase fps along with hop up (although power testing should be done with hop up off) i have found that a good quality tightbore and and the right hope up bucking can give a far greater increase in range and accuracy than just fitting the max spring you can get for under 1j, i normal aim for around 300/310 with the spring and then use the extra fps with .20g i have left over to install the tightbore.

Edit:

The only range increaser I'm aware of without messing with power outputs is the hop up

hopup can increase fps sometimes but as the testing is done without this on it should not be an issue

Genghiz Cohen

And a new good fitting nozzle, a better cylinder, piston head and maybe a piston rubber. Ball bearing bushings will make the motors life easier if you are going to mess with the mechbox.

Puding

bearing normal improve rof more than anything else, other gearbox upgrades like piston/cylinder can increase fps but for myself i look to upgrades like that as more in terms of durability the fps increase you gain i would rather use for a barrel/hop up, but different people have different preferences when it comes to upgrades i always see it as a balancing game little bit taken from hear a little added there :P

Stercus Accidit

Senor has a stock TM p90 and approx 260 fps wasnt it?

An ms90 spring will bring up your fps to around 300 or more, best to chrono everything afterwards to ensure 1 joule compliance, most of the retailers and sites would allow you to use a chrono there I'm sure.

A stock tm hop-up would be decent enough and set correctly will give the maximum range out of your fps.
Range is a product of both fps and a good hop-up setting.

The spring would raise fps as do tightbores and air seal nozzles, but you want a spring for the largest gain.

Once you get a joule spring in you will get better range with your hop well adjusted.

Edit:
A good hop-up is a consistent one, you wont get a range increase as all hop-ups are well able to apply more spin than a bb can use, too high a setting and the bb swerves up.
So your stock hop is fine, but it is always worth tinkering with the hop setting to get its max potential.

Puding

tm hop up units and there bucking are some of the best you can get my 280fps tm14 can out range most 328 I've come across same with the p90

Stercus Accidit

With hop-ups its all about setting it correctly, a 320 fps aeg can always outrange a 270 one if both have their hop-ups set perfectly, ie no upward swerve but max spin.

But yes senordingdongs tm hop is very sufficient as you said.

CrazyRabbit

1. Shoot with the wind coming from behind.
2. Install a giant fan on your back, just above your shoulder, that blows air forward.

Technically accurate, but completely useless....I should work for Microsofts' Helpdesk.

[--SC(+)PE--]

get a firefly hop sleeve with the Tm chamber and bucking if you want the best. Or pair it up with your bucking of choice.

2. Install a giant fan on your back, just above your shoulder, that blows air forward.

*patents CR's idea and makes millions*

Stercus Accidit

I still think he wants a joule spring, his hop as said already will be sufficient.

senordingdong

Ok, there's a lot of techno talk here that's just way over my head.
I thought the spring idea would be the most simple approach to the matter.

I've toyed with the hop up but the results aren't as significant as I thought they'd be.

Puding

you might want to have a look at something like this http://www.mechbox.com/site/inside-the-mechbox/airsoft-spring-comparison-chart.html not all '1j' springs give the same result

senordingdong

I see.

Well obviously I don't want anything that will make the gun 'hot', nor do I want something that will cause problems down the line.

I was just wondering if changing the spring to increase the range was as simple as that.

Stercus Accidit

The range a bb gets is very closely related to the power of the spring, as this give a higher muzzle velocity (fps).

Hop simply adds a spin to a bb, allowing it to stay in the air longer, but is limited by the power of the aeg.


So once you get max range out of hop settings, next on the agenda is an fps increase with a stronger spring, so yes, the spring does add range.

Eirsoft do an upgrade service now, they would provide the spring, fit it and chrono it to make sure its all ok.

senordingdong

That's grand then.
So long as I have the assurance of a pro doing it I guess it would be ok.

Masada

if its a stock P90 you will see a great increse in range and accuracy with an MS90 spring, Dont go for the MS100 though, it might say 100meters per second but in my experience with some of them it gives you a fair bit more than that, making the AEG "hot".,
and a gaurder clear silicone hopup, these are in all of my stuff, ive tried a few different ones and this is the one imhappiest with,.,:)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Guarder-Improved-HOP-UP-BUCKING-for-Airsoft-AEG-GE0701_W0QQitemZ270234669562QQihZ017QQcategoryZ64635QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem