Help needed on strange goings on!

crazy chester

Hi all just stumbled across this section of board and wanted to put my own story up and ask a few questions.

I have had some strange things happen over the past few years but wanted to ask about 1 in particular. I rent an appartment and after i moved in these noises started and got louder and louder in the bedroom, at the time my daughter was sleeping in there. And over the course of some months the noise grew louder and it seemed like there was things falling and banging in the room but when i checked there was nothing out of place. Anyway i got a healer/psychic in to clear the appartment but that night when i went to bed (which was very late as i fell asleep on the couch) it was about 4.45, I was in the bed when i felt an urge to turn on my back, as soon as i did i started to feel pressure on my knees at first (felt like something soft, like a hand) then on my forearms and then eventually all over except my face, hands and feet. I was having an argument in my head at this stage whether to open my eyes or not but i ended up not opening them! Anyway after i had all this pressure on i could hear this sound at the left of the room that grew louder and louder and started to move from the lefthandside of the room to the right passing over my head on its journey, and as it passed over my head the sensation in my head was wierd. It was a deep low sound a kind of a VROOM but alternated like that of a slow helicopter blade. The noise of it was different to anything of that i heard before, it was very very loud but it didnt hurt my ears it kinda rattled the inside of my head! It moved to the right of the room (to the window) and started to reduce in its noise until it stopped. That was it for the night but any time i went to roll on my back that night i could feel the pressure again , so id roll back! Have more info about what happened before this particular incident if it helps with telling me what happened.
Any info on what it was or anyone out there with a similar experience?
Would really appreciate some replies!
Thanks a mill everyone in advance!

Kelly O'Malley

Sounds like the clearing didn't work!

Try it again but do it yourself this time - incense,bells,salt sprinkled acoss all doorways and windowsills (tricky if there's skylights!) hang wind chimes anywhere you can and crystals in all windows (they can be cut glass or quartz so long as they break up the light)

Wear or keep with you real crystals,I can't tell you which kind is right for you but if you go into a shop that sells crystals and crystal jewellery the stones that appeal most to you are the right ones - it's almost as if they 'call out' to you.When you're looking at them keep in mind what you want them for - protection in this case.

Still on the subject of crystals,buy as many as you can afford,cleanse them(they'll tell you in the shop how to do this) and place them all over the apartment - they're the business at this sort of thing.And don't forget to keep them dusted!

Candles are excellent cleansers of an atmosphere too, have them burning every night (while you're awake - don't want any fires!)

Last but not least,visualise a protective bubble over/around the place every night before you go to sleep.

hiorta

Evidently, someone is trying to attract your attention.

Why?

A deceased friend or relative, especially if it is unknown to you?

A similar experience from earlier years was when I was trying to open / understand / develop the Spiritual Healing ability. It seemed to be some kind of test of tenacity. Not a pleasant experience at all.

There must be other explanations, though. What have you been doing, reading, discussing in this field, recently?

crazy chester

What have you been doing, reading, discussing in this field, recently?[/quote]

This would have happened last september and the apartment has been ok since, appart from a few noises and feelings here and there. In response to what i have been doing in this field recently, i have always had an attraction in this sort thing ever since i can remember. But more recently I have had an urge to look into crystals and meditation....dunno why! This sort of thing had happened in a house i lived in before just after my daughter was born, at this place we had to get a priest in to bless the house but he didnt seem to take us seriously so thats why i didnt go looking for another priest this time around! Anyway the last time was a child a little girl from what we could tell and then after we got the priest in we found out that a girl di live there that died! So i was kinda thinking that maybe this girl had followed along but the man we got in said the presence in the appartment seemed to be that of aboy.
I dunno what to think really. Just in relation to hiorta comments why would someone be trying to contact me? And how did you know you had to start trying to open / understand / develop your Spiritual Healing ability?
Really appreciate all the help:)

Zillah

Sleep Paralysis

the state may be accompanied by terrifying hallucinations (hypnopompic or hypnagogic) which cause an acute sense of danger [2]. Sleep paralysis is particularly frightening to the individual due to the vividness of such hallucinations[3]. The hallucinatory element to sleep paralysis makes it even more likely that someone will interpret the experience as a dream, since completely fanciful, or dream-like, objects may appear in the room alongside one's normal vision. Some scientists have proposed this condition as a theory for alien abductions and ghostly encounters.

crazy chester

My dad had that one time, a guy came into the room and sat on his chest and started to choke him and he couldnt move. He said he was terrified! Not the same as what happened with me, i didnt feel scared, i was unsure what id see and thats why i didnt open my eyes. I worked with a woman also that had the same experience as my dad but she said she couldnt help but look at the man in her room, she was also terrified and couldnt move. Also my experience didnt try and hurt me. I dont think it was this as i didnt feel as if it was a dream.
Thanks for the suggestion though.:)

Riamfada

I dont think images brought on by sleep paralysis are characterised by violence. If its your subconcious im sure anything is possible. I guess taking the line that all instances of sleep paralysis are violent would be to claim that there are no such things as dreams, only nightmares.

crazy chester

Im just saying that it didnt seem like a dream to me and what i read about the subject through that previous posters link didnt really convince me my experience was a mind trick. Also this happened the night the apartment was cleared. Could that have been something to do with it. I would have been a pretty sceptical person, but recently my views are changing with some of the experiences ive had.

Zillah

I've had sleep paralysis and it was much like as you described. I had no fear, no violence, didn't seem like a dream, stange sounds and sensations etc.

I know it can be nice to think you've had a special experience but what you described could all be very easily caused by sleep paralysis.

Also this happened the night the apartment was cleared. Could that have been something to do with it. I would have been a pretty sceptical person, but recently my views are changing with some of the experiences ive had.

Sleep paralysis is more common amongst those who are under stress or sleeping irregularily.

crazy chester

I havent had a problem sleeping and no stress and I still dont think its that, not with everything else that has happened. Anybody any other comments?

Zillah

I rent an appartment and after i moved in these noises started and got louder and louder in the bedroom, at the time my daughter was sleeping in there. And over the course of some months the noise grew louder and it seemed like there was things falling and banging in the room but when i checked there was nothing out of place.

That sounds a little stressful. Apparently it was bad enough for you to get a psychic in.

Riamfada

Perhaps its you and not the apartment

malico

Hi crazy chester,

Sleep paralysis doesn't always associate itself with fear. It can be triggered is you wake during your REM sleep cycle. For instance only a few days ago I had a bout of it, where I felt there was someone in the room, could hear my name being called and was unable to move. What limited movement I did have, I could see out of the corner of my eye someone standing there, and I was unable to ask who it was.

If you would like a copy of our information sheet, send me an e-mail in investigate@praofi.org

Ian

kshiel

You said you had more info on things that have happened, it would help to share these in order to give people a clearer picture of what the full story is. I would be more interested in hearing what you think it is personally, I am sure a lot of thoughts would have run through your mind and a lot of questions would have been put forward that night, can you remember any of the answers or conclusions you would have come to yourself. It seems to me, yes many people have had similar experiences but somehow this is the first time I have heard of the noise going across the room in such a manner. A lot of time (from a spiritual perspective) these occurances are symbolic to the person having them, so your own perpective would be the one to look at, just try and take the fear aspect from it first. You said the sound was like a low or slow helicoper, does or would that have any reference to you or your family and if not you would it have had anything to do with maybe previous owners of the apartment. These are just questions and to me anyway it is always good to start with the parts of the experience that you could identify with and take it from there.

lotsapockets

Was the apartment unoccupied for any length of time before you moved in? how old is the building?
The reason I ask these questions is that there can be loud noises associated with buildings and even rooms becoming occupied after a time of non use. This is often due to the changes in temperature and humidity effecting woodwork. A frequently used term for this is "nail pop" where nails and other fixings cause pressure in expanding or contracting woodwork, when the pressure releases you get a pop or bang as the material slides or shifts against the fixing. Sometimes you will get a succession of pops that can sound like running or walking. If the pressure release is gradual you can even get a dragging sound. These sounds can reverberate through a structure and sometimes can be sufficient enough to cause less secure objects to fall to the ground (items on a shelf or a shelf or picture to fall). As my colleague Ian has said, if you would like to discuss this further contact investigate@praofi.org

littlebug

That sounds really scary!
This sound that moved across the room, how long did that take? Are you talking about a split second or longer?

vincenzo1975

This actually describes something I used to feel and always put down to sleep paralysis. i remember lying rigid in the bed, seemingly fully concious but unable to move. I used to focus on my little fingers and get them to move, and eventually I would get a hot thawing feeling and eventually my limbs, although stiff and tired would come back. Not a pleasent experience. the noise, also sounds like the Throbbing sensation I used to get, I could literally hear the blood throbbing in my head, and if your ear was pressed closed by the pillow, it would really sound like a low rumble. I can see where the pattern of the heart beats may be like a helicopter pattern.

Most people can get a feel of what this sensation is like if you push the flaps of your ears forward over your earholes tightly, all internal sounds from your mouth, breathing etc are exagerated. This may explain the sound thing, but it does sound very like sleep paralysis.

Havermeyer

This actually describes something I used to feel and always put down to sleep paralysis. i remember lying rigid in the bed, seemingly fully concious but unable to move. I used to focus on my little fingers and get them to move, and eventually I would get a hot thawing feeling and eventually my limbs, although stiff and tired would come back. Not a pleasent experience. the noise, also sounds like the Throbbing sensation I used to get, I could literally hear the blood throbbing in my head, and if your ear was pressed closed by the pillow, it would really sound like a low rumble. I can see where the pattern of the heart beats may be like a helicopter pattern.

It's happened to me twice, almost in the same way as you describe here. The only differences were that I saw a flash of bright light (similar to a camera flash) and also it sounded like a woman making a shhh sort of noise in my ear. I thought it was fairly cool tbh.

I havent had a problem sleeping and no stress and I still dont think its that, not with everything else that has happened. Anybody any other comments?

Is it just me, or do some people want to believe so much that they disregard a perfectly logical explaination? There's a fair bit of evidence to back up your experience as being sleep paralysis, even though you say other stuff happened. Surely not everybody's experiences would be the same. Much the same as people would experience different types of dreams?

OrangeDaisy

I've suffered from sleep paralysis since I was a small child to the point that I would get 2 or 3 attacks each night. I even spent a few nights in hopital to see if it was affecting my heart rate but everything was fine it was just my mind was waking up before my body . My mother is a very spiritual woman and got psychics in (much to the amusement of my very skeptical father!!!!) and nothing changed. I now only suffer from it if i'm overtired or if i wake up with a hangover and I find like vincenzo that concentrating on wiggling my little finger really works. I can understand how some people would feel like there's someone on top of you and I've also heard noises but what you have to remember is that even though your mind is awake, your body isn't and there may still be a portion of your mind thats still engaged in sleep so therefore you can still be dreaming and those noises be part of your dream. And bear in mind that you're terrified that you can't move your limbs so obviosly your dream will reflect that!! I always used to hear sirens, I think it was my subconcious fear that i'd end up in hospital unable to move

degrassinoel

just curious, and not being a sarky git here, but high blood pressure or sleep apnea(sp?) can also be a cause of those symptoms, especially if it's just you thats hearing and/or feeling them.

6th

degrassinoel wrote: »

just curious, and not being a sarky git here, but high blood pressure or sleep apnea(sp?) can also be a cause of those symptoms, especially if it's just you thats hearing and/or feeling them.

Sleep apnea is when you stop breathing while asleep :rolleyes:

degrassinoel

yes it is.

smellyanus

Uuummmm, I'm not being rude or anything but I think people who want to believe in paranormal experiences will read too much into any little thing that happens.
A majority of people would have had a dream that they wake up and feel a weight on their chest and/or are paralysed ( I have).
A majority of people would have been in bed and sensed someone else in the room (I have).
People are saying here that sleep paralysis isnt necessarily a violent /nasty experience.......how many able bodied people wouldnt be upset if it seemed that they were paralysed?
Every house makes noises!
Especially apartments where you can hear your neighbours moving around!
A majority of people have experienced the sound of blood pumping in their ears, and these sounds can vary greatly (sound like they are changin direction).
I think the fact that you went to the trouble of getting the place "cleansed" means that you are into that sort of stuff and that leads you to want to believe it was a paranormal experience (no offence).

Before anyone bites my head off, I don't totally discount the theory of restless souls etc etc but I do feel that some people read WAAAAAAAAAAYYYY too much into the slightest thing.

In one week I dreamt I could see the reflection in the kitchen window of myself being strangled by a man in a woolly jumper, and being paralised with fear (or under alien influences) whilst I could see a spaceship landing outside my bedroom window and feeling the bedclothes slowly pulled down the bed.
Was they paranormal experiences??????????????
--a girl I told about it tried to convince me I was actually abducted by aliens!!!!
It's not coincidence most of these experiences happen in bed i.e. dreaming while you think you are awake.

crazy chester

Hi all me again!

Just so you know im not some person that looks for the paranormal twist in everything, im not looking to believe that it was a paranormal experience! Im just going by the info that i read on sleep paralysis and comparing it to my experiences! Granted, taking into account some of the experiences stated here i might be thinking slightly differently! I was a sceptic when faced with these matters before but now i think VERY differently on such matters and am not as quick to jump to conclusions. I heard noises yes but i also had inanimate objects flying in front of my eyes (Dont think sleep paralysis could explain that one!) Also with the noises one night my daughter became restless in the room (i was listening over the baby monitor) as her anxiousness increased i became very uneasy until finally she woke up and started crying and at that moment the monitor went dead, i jumped up and ran into the room only to find her standing there, crying in her cot and shouting "I dont want to go with you, I dont want to go with you!" over and over! I know it might seem that im looking for this to be a "ghostly visiting" or something of the sort, but honestly im not! Due to my experiences i have changed my attitude slightly, all im looking for now is someone with similar experiences that could give me the other side of the "sleep paralysis" theory so i can compare my experiences to both.

GrewSome

Hi, in response, I think that vincenzo1975 is correct in his hypnagogic state/ sleep paralysis analysis. Im interested in this because it happend to me a few years ago when I was ill and I had similar experiences to the OP. I knew it was a sleep paralysis type occurence becuse my mum had also suffered from the same thing. When she awoke she was unable to move for a while (brain wakening before body, etc). I've just looked this up on wikipedia and the sleep to wakening thingy is called hypnopompia, apparently its a common occurance. Hope this helps.

Zillah

crazy chester wrote: »

i also had inanimate objects flying in front of my eyes (Dont think sleep paralysis could explain that one!)

You didn't mention that!! Please explain.

Also with the noises one night my daughter became restless in the room (i was listening over the baby monitor) as her anxiousness increased i became very uneasy until finally she woke up and started crying and at that moment the monitor went dead, i jumped up and ran into the room only to find her standing there, crying in her cot and shouting "I dont want to go with you, I dont want to go with you!" over and over! I know it might seem that im looking for this to be a "ghostly visiting" or something of the sort, but honestly im not!

Wouldn't that be fairly easily explained as a nightmare?

But anyway, this flying objects thing is much more interesting.

Predhead

vincenzo1975 wrote: »

This actually describes something I used to feel and always put down to sleep paralysis. i remember lying rigid in the bed, seemingly fully concious but unable to move. I used to focus on my little fingers and get them to move, and eventually I would get a hot thawing feeling and eventually my limbs, although stiff and tired would come back. Not a pleasent experience. the noise, also sounds like the Throbbing sensation I used to get, I could literally hear the blood throbbing in my head, and if your ear was pressed closed by the pillow, it would really sound like a low rumble. I can see where the pattern of the heart beats may be like a helicopter pattern.

Exact same thing happened to me on numerous occasions. Before I realize it, or just before when I 'come to realize' what's happening, I get the most frightening visions. One in particular I remember was like a banshee screaming and I went through these doors to and playground. There was leaves blowing on the ground and the roundabout etc was going round and round but with nobody on them. Still freaks me out everytime I think of it.

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crazy chester wrote: »

i also had inanimate objects flying in front of my eyes (Dont think sleep paralysis could explain that one!)

Im fact it can! It's just the same as seeing an alien or a hag. Your eyes are generally closed and even when they're open you're prone to hallucinations!!!

degrassinoel

possibly, but not prone i think, if he was prone to hallucinations he probably would be making his posts from portrane ayslum.

what you just said reminded me of that father ted episode

Predhead

degrassinoel wrote: »

possibly, but not prone i think, if he was prone to hallucinations he probably would be making his posts from portrane ayslum.

what you just said reminded me of that father ted episode

:pac::pac::pac:

Havermeyer

I was a sceptic when faced with these matters before but now i think VERY differently on such matters and am not as quick to jump to conclusions

I think the very fact you had your apartment cleansed would go someway towards showing you aren't a skeptic. I'm a skeptic. I've experienced this twice. I've heard noises that I couldn't explain, but no doubt were explainable. However, never did it cross my mind to get my house cleansed. You have to have some sort of faith in it to go down that road.

Also with the noises one night my daughter became restless in the room (i was listening over the baby monitor) as her anxiousness increased i became very uneasy until finally she woke up and started crying

If you're child is young enough to to require you keep an ear out for her over a bay monitor, then surely waking up at night crying is a regular experience?

Due to my experiences i have changed my attitude slightly, all im looking for now is someone with similar experiences that could give me the other side of the "sleep paralysis" theory so i can compare my experiences to both.

What other side? There are plenty of experiences explained by other people on this thread. And all very similar. Some people just choose to ignore the obvious and seek out a more interesting explaination. Horses for courses, but I prefer my friend logic.

crazy chester

Ye maybe your right.
Thanks for all the replies!